Good evening from New York. Im chris hayes. I want to begin tonight by showing you a moment from this Weeks Cpac Conference that says a lot about where we are as a country and the ongoing danger of the current conservative movement. Now, im going to confess, and you might be thinking the same thing, i was on the impression there was already a cpac this year. Apparently, republicans really wanted to have another one. You know, covid happened and then everyone is in the conference mood. This weekend, there was a second 2021 cpac, short for conservative political action conference. This one in dallas featuring the usual suspects, republican politicians for aspirations for higher office and disgraced expresident Donald Trump. It was all about what you would expect, i would say, politicians posing falsehoods like the big lie, the 2020 election was stolen from trump. Theres a one moment in particular that almost made my heart stop when i saw it. Its this moment that speaks to something very, very dark. A darkness at the core of this political movement right now. Now, the Person Speaking was alex berenson, you may have heard his name. Hes a former New York times reporter. Hes become a Fox News Celebrity for Pandemic Trutherism from the very beginning including his doubts that Masks Work or america could ever see half A Million people die from covid. No way. He was dubbed by the atlantic, the pandemics wrongest man. Which is stiff competition, but he has earned it. And he was, of course, an honored guest at cpac this weekend where he earned applause from the crowd when he highlighted the fact that biden administration came up short of its own vaccination goals. Clearly, they were hoping, the government was hoping that they could sort of Sucker 90 of the population into getting vaccinated. And it isnt happening. Right . Theres a younger people are well aware of what the risks really are. This is someone who is against masks and against lockdowns and like all of the other people in that part of the idealogical sphere, ends up being objectively procovid. But the crowd is cheering for the idea that people are not getting vaccinated. Even though some of the people who do not will almost certainly get sick or spread the virus around them. There will be some countable number of deaths that flow from this. To the extent you can get your arms around what the idealogical core is, it feels like a movement embracing dark Mayhem And Destruction and death, the worst things get, the better. In fact, in one of those bizarre selfaware moments, kind of, trump made a joke about that himself this weekend. And got cheers after criticizing former attorney general Bill Barr for caving to democrats who were threatening to impeach him. Acknowledging his own continued decline. We want to impeach him. Were going to impeach Bill Barr. Impeach him. He became different. I understand that. I didnt become different. Can got impeached twice. I didnt change. I became worse. [ cheers ] i became worse. I mean, its sort of a funny comedic line, darkly. I became worse. You did get worse. Things did get worse in the last part of his presidency. For the last month, theres been one crazy report after the other about how crazy it got, stemming from Michael Bender who is going to join me in just a minute, like how trump would laugh at rudy giuliani, but of his most vocal supporters and tell him he, quote, sucked. Or the time on a visit to europep when he told John Kelly, hitler did a lot of good things. Prompting John Kelly said you by no means have got it. In his book, frankly, we did win this election, the inside story of how trump won, he said, Quote Y have done all this stuff for the blacks. Its always jared telling me to do it, they all fing hate me. He told his team he wanted the military to beat the f out of the civil rights protesters. Just shoot them, trump said, on multiple occasions inside the Oval Office. Bender also writes about Trump Boiling over after it was leaked he hid in a bunker during protests outside the White House. Whoever did that, they should be charged with treason, he yelled. They should be executed. Well, its not surprising, but its shocking as much of the stuff is. Again, what if people said yes, thats the question to keep asking. Keep trying to open doors and then eventually, you get to open one. You go through. Thats the Game Plan here. And theyre still trying to open the doors. Theres a sense that even though Donald Trump was this obviously ridiculous terrible, cruel incumbent figure, he was channeling some kind of new idealogical formation in the american right. You heard this before. More Populist Wing that wroek broke with the Paul Ryan Republicanism represented by Mike Pence. And there was something to this. It is true, i think, with Bannon Steering than on trade, foreign wars, monopoly, capitalism, Big Tech, there are these populist impulses that bubbled up from the base that trump cultivated and those probably paid a role in some of the victories republicans have seen among the maga base, but take a second to step back and think. Look at where we are, the sheer count of it all. A democratic president , Joe Biden, of all people, within his first few months is getting us out of afghanistan because he decided to take the job seriously and not just tweet nasty things at the socalled deep state. Theyre also starting to take on Big Tech with an Ftc Commissioner that Big Tech absolutely loathes, is terrified of. Members of congress, democrats again, proposing antimonopoly legislation that can move forward. Some of the key features of the agenda that was supposedly the heart of some kind of new republicanism that was trumpism, are being implemented and pursued by democrats and this democratic administration in front of our eyes while at cpac, theyre cheering missed vaccination goals. And passing around laminated cards about how they will get Donald Trump installed as Speaker Of The House to have him restored to the presidency, which is to say whatever idealogical tendencies that are that swirl around trump, the center of this movement, a vortex of cruelty and Nihilistic Thrill Of Destruction is at the center of it, and boy, is it on full display right now. Michael bender is senior white House Reporter for the wall street journal, also the author of frankly we did win this election, the inside story of How Trump Lost which will be available everywhere tomorrow. Michael, welcome to the show. One of the things that struck me as i was going through the book was the darkness of a lot of it, that there are times in which the president of the united states is saying things that if taken seriously by the people around him would lead to some, like, Breaking Point In American Democracy and basically luckily enough, people ignored him. Yeah, i mean, i think thats what this Book Shows. One of the things this Book Shows is how close we got to that point repeatedly. And we know well the story of the chaos of this administration. Thats been told on this network, other networks, by my newspaper and others. I think whats different about this book is not the chaos but how dangerous it was inside the West Wing for a lot of the people right around this president. A lot of these people told me for the first time that they feared for the safety of the country and the future of the country because they thought this president was dangerous for the nation. I want to talk about the sort of back and forth thats documented in several places about the protests last summer and the desire to have troops be deployed and the attempt to essentially strong arm, milley, okaying that, and have troops open fire on protesters as a thing the president told people to do. What were those meetings like and how do we end up dodging that . Well, i think what was happening there was that that the president was at a boiling point. He was seeing his administration slip away from underneath him. He had planned to spend 2020 running on a message of the economy. End sentence right there, and really the first couple months, its kind of hard to remember now, but that looked like a winning message. He had survived impeachment. He was thriving, he was at this High Point in the polls. And the economy was red hot. And then the pandemic hit. And then these protests hit. You know, then George Floyd was killed. And the protests followed. And he took all of this very personally and was struggling to find a message to respond to all of it. And he lashed out. His response was to lash out at the people around him and wanting a show of force. It was really falling back to a lot of his Law And Order message from 2016. And you know, it fell to the top general in the worlds most powerful military to stop the president in a lot of these instances. Yeah, tell me more about that. I get the sort of psychological drive here. But what you document in the book is an american president ordering a top general to deploy american troops against u. S. Protesters and to shoot them. Like, that would just straight up be an Atrocity And War crime if it were to be undertaken or just a crime, right . That doesnt happen because everyone says, well, the guy is blowing his top and theres no legal authority. But that is an instruction that is given by the president , according to your reporting, to the top general of the united states. Thats correct. And there are there are multiple instances of this in the book, but what comes through, i think, for one of the first times is mark milley, general milley, as really a fascinating character here. And he is hes an Ivy League educated, who was rising in the ranks of the military under obama. But hes also kind of a boston sports guy. And could knew how to mix it up with trump. Hes able to work with both administrations, and we see him in multiple scenes in this book walking trump, basically talking Trump Down. Explaining, trying to explain to him that the national guard is specifically trained as Law Enforcement as quasiLaw Enforcement to handle public protests. Among other things. And the difference with the military troops that he wanted to send into the major american cities, right, the 81st airborne, these are 20 to 25yearold men and women who are trained to kill and take land. You know, its an inherently dangerous situation to send those troops into what are mostly peaceful protests. I think one of the most resonating scenes in the book for me is in one of these meetings, and again, its trump in the Oval Office with milley, a slew of defense officials, White House aides, and trump is screaming about wanting to crack skulls and shoot the protesters in the legs. And milley stops him, points to a portrait of Abraham Lincoln over the president s shoulder, and said that guy had an insurrection, mr. President. What we have is a protest. Do you did you come away from the experience of reporting and writing this book, theres two ways to go through some of what we saw, right . Theres the, well, the guard he had a car that was careening all over the road, and the guardrails more or less kept it on the road. And the other is, like, you know, we got lucky. We kept playing essentially a version of Russian Roulette with american democracy, and like it never came up with the wrong chamber. How do you take away your reporting from this book . Well, i think a lot of people in the administration, you know, i talked to dozens of administration officials, campaign aides, friends of trump. And they all had versions of how they were not all, im sorry, a lot of them had versions of how they were Truth Tellers to trump. But when you of course. Right. But its all and theres a kernel of truth in there, but its hard for people in any administration before trump and after trump to speak truth to power. Right . To be that close to the most powerful person, political person in the world, its a tough thing to tell that person theyre wrong. And they all tried different versions of it, and the problem was time and again that they saw themselves as these as Truth Tellers, but what really ended up being were kind of speed bumps. And they could slow Trump Down here and there, but trump used their answers and heard what he wanted as well. So when Mike Pence tells him in the runup to January 6th that he doesnt think that he has the legal authority to overturn the election results, but hell look at whatever legal analysis the president gives him, the president hears the second part, and when i talked to the president about that, he told me that Trump Pence never told him no. Yeah. Again, the Speed Bump Metaphor i think is useful because the car is still in motion, which is precisely what is disquieting. Michael bender whose book frankly we did win this election comes out tomorrow. Thank you so much, michael. Thank you. Breaking News Tonight out of texas. Where democratic lawmakers have fled the state to stop another run at a voter restriction law. Those lawmakers are flying from austin to washington, d. C. Were going to talk to one of them live tonight. Were also going to speak to washington, d. C. Police Officer Michael Fanone tonight. Officer fanone, you might recall, answered The Call on January 6th to defend the capitol from The Mob. And in the line of service, he was violently beaten and tased, leaving him seriously injured. He is forced to live with that reality every day, even as republicans try to rewrite the history of the attack. Tonight, my exclusive interview with Michael Fanone about his fight for an investigation into the event that threatened his life and left others dead. Dont go anywhere. Just two pills for all day pain relief. Aleve it, and see whats possible. vo the subaru crosstrek. Dog tested. Dog approved. Some days, you just dont have it. Not my uncle, though. Hes Taking Trulicity for his Type 2 Diabetes and now, hes really on his game. Onceweekly trulicity lowers your a1c by helping your body release the insulin its already making. Most people reached an a1c under 7 . Plus, trulicity can lower your risk of cardiovascular events. 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It began just hours after her death when supporters of the former president tweeted out a picture of her with say her name. Now, six months later, the effort to make her a martyr has slowly built into something more intense. Republican Congressman Paul Gosar said in a hearing that babbitt was executed. The officer who shot her appeared to be hiding, lying in wait. Tucker carlson said Vladimir Putin was asking fair questions about babbitts killing when he suggested her killing was an assassination. Yesterday, Donald Trump was a guest on Fox News hosted by Maria Bartiromo, can they took it to a whole new reality. Who shot Ashli Babbitt. Who is keeping that secret . Who is the person who shot an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman . A military woman, right in the head. And theres no repercussions. If there were on the other side, it would be the biggest story in this country. Who shot Ashli Babbitt . People want to know. And why . Well, thats right. And i want to talk about that because Ashli Babbitt, a wonderful woman, fatally shot on January 6th as she tried to climb out of a broken window. What can you tell us in terms of who shot Ashli Babbitt . What do you know, mr. President . I will tell you they know who shot Ashli Babbitt. Theyre protecting that person. Babbitt was shot in the shoulder, not in the head, as trump lied, and she was climbing in through a broken window. Not out of a broken window. As Maria Bartiromo claimed. Thats sort of a major distinction, but it is lies like those which attempt to frame Ashli Babbitt as a martyr and the officer who shot her as a villain, even though an investigation by the u. S. Attorneys office of d. C. Along with the Justice Department has cleared the officer of any criminal charges. Two things are happening here. First, trump and the right wing want this Officers Name released. Not in the interest of transparency, which i think is actually a fair justified request from the name to be made public, but the reason they want it made public is obviously so they can make this individuals life hell, which is certainly would or will be. Second of all, this is one of those rare cases where theres a lot of mystery about what happened to Ashli Babbitt because we have the entire thing on video. Remember, the closest the violent mob got to setting upon members of congress, to beating them or kidnapping them or killing them, was the moment that Ashli Babbitt got shot. The New York times clearly laid out in their excellent visual investigation of January 6th, Ashli Babbitt was one of the first people to arrive at the door to the Speakers Lobby Right off the house chamber, while a number of House Members were still inside. Remember, there she is right there, rioters started to beat down the door, and you can see just a few Police Officers standing there without riot gear. When they step aside because theyre getting reenforcements, in that brief moment, No One is guarding the doors, and the rioters start smashing the glass. Theres only one Police Officer behind the glass. What happens next is graphic. An officer draws his gun. Moments later, babbitt climbs into a broken window and the officer fires a single shot. Ashli babbitt and that Back Pack was the first one to try to climb through the doors, the doors that had been broken by The Mob. If she had gone through, the chances are high that an entire violent mob that had already injured several Police Officers, would have reached members of congress, and what do you think would have happened then . If theres any doubt about the nature of the crowd what would have happened if they made it through the doors, Body Cam Video of what happens to Police Officers engaged in literal Handtohand Combat with The Mob. Officers like d. C. 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Be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. More than six months after insurrectionists stormed the capitol, those who were there are still recovering from the horrors of that day, in particular, the Police Officers who defended the capitol. The New York times points out the personal trauma of some officers mirrors a broader crisis within the u. S. Capitol police which is badly damaged, demoralized and depleted six months after thutack. We get more and more footage showing how violent the insurrection was, how much violence was directed directly at Police Officers. There are capitol Police Officers still going to work every day. Many people theyre protecting are outright sympathetic to The Mob that attacked them. Michael fanone is not a capitol Police Officer. Hes a member of the d. C. Metropolitan police department. Hes one of a number of officers who were called in as reenforcements when the rioters reached the capitol. Fanone is still out on medical leave after being brutally attacked that day and hes been spending time on Capitol Hill in a new role of sorts trying to get republican members of congress to stop downplaying and Lying Utwhat happened on January 6th. You see Michael Fanone joins me now. Good to have you on the program, officer. I want to just maybe start and ask you how you are doing generally. You know, six months after this physically, mentally, how youre holding up. Well, im doing a hell of a whole lot better than i was six months ago. You know, i went through a pretty dark period, i would say in maybe the first three or four months immediately after the January 6th insurrection. But i have had a lot of help and support. And generally speaking, im doing much better than i was. You used the word insurrection, which it self, i think, has been contested by a lot of people, including members of congress. On Capitol Hill and in hearings. What do you think when you hear people say it wasnt an insurrection . I think its bulshit. Im just a simple Police Officer. And i look at things, you know, i go off of simple definitions. Things like violence for political purposes, which is exactly what the event that occurred at the capitol on January 6th was. I was there. I witnessed it. Firsthand. It was a politically motivated violent event, violent attack on the u. S. Capitol. I have been watching a lot of footage of it, and i have been wanting to ask you this and other officers this. You know, d. C. Has a lot of experience with Crowd Control and a lot of experience with protests. I have covered a ton of protests. A ton of marches that have been on the mall or in the capitol. And theres always a massive police presence, and a very kind of proactive approach to it. To kind of keep people in place and make sure that, like, the cops have the kind of control and authority, and its so bizarre to see the complete absence of that on this day. How do you think about how that happened, what happened in that respect on that day . I mean, this is way outside of my wheelhouse. Despite 20 years of Law Enforcement experience, you know, my role within the department primarily involved narcotics and violent crime investigations. As well as firearmrelated crimes. I worked most of my career either Running Narcotics Investigations or working as an undercover officer myself. So yeah, i mean, i have seen those types of events, obviously, i have been a Police Officer for quite some time. And i would describe them like at their worst as controlled chaos. This was just chaos. I mean, it was nothing like i had ever experienced. And many of my coworkers, again, many of whom served much longer within the department than i have, never experienced anything like that. You have been to Capitol Hill to lobby, to speak to elected members about some kind of commission, investigation. What have you learned from that experience . Its not something i think you have probably ever done before. What has been surprising to you or what has anything changed your mind about the way American Government works . Yeah, i mean, i was always pretty apolitical person. I supported Donald Trump in 2016. But prior to that, i had voted for candidates on both sides of the political aisle. I dont think any particular party necessarily represents me completely. I guess in that respect, i would fall more into a category of an independent. However, what i have learned on Capitol Hill is that we have a lot of elected officials that care much more about their own political future and their own careers than they do about the americans that they are supposed to be representing. What what have you been told when you bring this up . I mean, when you say they care more about their political future, do you think that theyre lying . What do they say to your face when you look them in the eyes and say, like, this happened, this happened to me, we need to investigate it. Its not even a political thing. I mean, you know, its very inconvenient unfortunately, thats the reaction that i get or at least those are my feelings based on those personal conversations. I mean, i get a lot of sympathy privately and then publicly, those same individuals continue to make statements either downplaying or dismissing the events of January 6th. Simply because at least in my mind, its not politically advantageous, and the concerns are more about the political success of their party in 2022 or 2024, rather than addressing this, you know, horrible event that was inspired by the leader of the republican party at the time. I want to play you a little bit of said leader just because it is for all of us, i think, surreal to watch the history being rewritten in real time when we all saw it, there were cameras there, but it must be particularly true for you. I want to play his characterization of what happened that day and get you to respond to it. Take a listen. You have people with no guns that walked down and frankly, the doors were open and the police in many cases, you know, they have hundreds of hours of tape. And theyre not releasing the tape. They ought to release the tape to see what really happened. But there was also a Love Fest between the police, the Capitol Police and the people that walked down to the capitol. What do you think of that Love Fest . Yeah, i mean, again, thats a lie. You know, Donald Trumps description of January 6th pretty much every portion of that statement is a lie. You know, that was not what i experienced. What i experienced was, you know, incredibly brutal Handtohand Combat, again, you know, just speaking about my firsthand account. While i fought in the lower west harris tunnel, i was pulled away from the other officers by members of the crowd. I was beaten. I was tased numerous times at the base of my skull. And as a result of that assault, i sustained a Heart Attack, traumatic brain injury, and now suffer from ptsd. Thats a reality. Those are facts. You know, the assault that occurred to me was documented, memorialized in my Bodyworn Camera Footage and in hundreds of hours of Video Footage of not just my assault but the assault of other officers. So again, im not sure what Donald Trump is referring to, but it certainly wasnt the events that day at the capitol. Thats a lie. You dont work at the capitol. Youre not a capitol Police Officer. But you have been to the capitol. And i just wonder what its like, a, to go back, and how you imagine it must be to be going there to work every day. If you had to go back to work there every day, what that would be like. I have no idea, to be completely honest with you, how those officers continue to show up for work every day other than the fact that, you know, they swore an oath and thats what Police Officers do. We go to Work Day in and day out. But you know, for me, like i have had a lot of interactions after January 6th with harry dunn. You know, a hel of a guy, and hes been incredibly supportive to me, and i give him, you know, all the respect in the world. Going back up there and continuing to do his job after what he experienced on the6th, and then also to have to pass these individuals in the hallway that go on television and talk about that day as being another Tourist Day at the capitol. I mean, i couldnt imagine what that is like. Theres this increasing pressure, i think, coming from certain quarters to release the name of the officer that shot Ashli Babbitt, and i think theres a sort of question about government transparency, i also think theres a universe in which that can be part of which the investigation can look into, just to clarify it, but i wonder just given your experience of being somewhat in the public eye, what you would imagine being on the Receiving End of that would be like should that name be disclosed. I mean, im not going to speculate on those things, but i dont think, like anyone that is watching the program or understands the way that that rhetoric is being utilized. I mean, its no stretch of the imagination as to what that particular officer could be potentially in for would his name or her name be released. Yeah, and those when i listen to those statements, you know, by people like the Congressman Gosar and Donald Trump, i mean, its just insanity. Absolute insanity. You know, what happened to Ashli Babbitt was a tragedy. You know, anytime Someones Life is taken violently, its a tragedy. But the reality is that she was participating in a violent insurrection at the u. S. Capitol. And that officer had a responsibility and an oath to uphold. And he did so as the Justice Department stated, fulfilled that oath by protecting his own life and other members of congress lives that day. And to hear that event be politicized, its inhumane. Do you miss being on the force . I know you have been on leave and i know you said you have ptsd. And obviously, real incredible injuries. I wonder if its just all of this, the last six months, like, how its changed how you think about yourself and the work you do. I mean, i love being a Police Officer. You know, i have been a Police Officer the better part of my adult life. I mean, its really the only career that i have ever had. I joined the force shortly after 9 11. And have forged some lifelong friendships in the Law Enforcement community. It doesnt change how i feel about my job or my responsibility. I mean, i see what im doing now as kind of an extension of my service on January 6th. You know, while most of my coworkers have returned to work and continue to go in day in and day out, you know, this is my work. And its to get people to recognize what happened on January 6th in the hopes that maybe we can reevaluate why it was that we felt the need to or that part of our country felt the need to participate in a violent event like that. Officer Michael Fanone of the Metropolitan Police department in washington, d. C. I really, really enjoyed talking to you. I really appreciate you taking the time do it. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. All right. Well be right back. Stick around. If you have this. Consider adding this. An Aarp Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan from unitedhealthcare. 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The move essentially paralyzes the Special Session of the Texas Legislature where republicans introduced a pair of Bills La week that would require among other things i. D. For mailin voting, empower partisan Poll Watchers and Ban Drivethrough and overnight options for voting. This is the second time in as many months the democrats have fled the legislature to stop Voter Suppression bills. The Night Texas Democrats landed in washington, d. C. To push for federal voter protections on the eve of President Bidens major address On Voting Rights tomorrow. Im joined by one of the leaderoffs the walkout, democratic Texas State Representative jasmine crockett. Representative crockett, you have done it. You know, getting 50 legislators to do anything can be hard. How did you guys come together and make this decision to take this very dramatic action . Man, listen, first, thanks for having me. And youre absolutely right. Getting 50 people to do anything sometimes feels like an impossibility, but when democracy is on the line, i think that those who truly understand what were supposed to be in this country, we dont compromise. And so you know, for so long, the republicans have kind of been pushing us around in the Texas Legislature because they have had the numbers, but when it comes to democracy, Thats Something that just goes a little too far, and so it really was not difficult. Especially the second time, because the governor called this Special Session and put a lot of nonsense on The Call. There was nothing on that call that was good for the texas people. Our Grid Wasnt on that call. So there wasnt anything that really was there to keep us there. So im so proud of my colleagues, and im so thankful to the good lord above that we all made it out, everybody has arrived in d. C. Safely. And we dont have to worry about dealing with going to the floor tomorrow. So why d. C. . I mean, you went from texas to d. C. Youre talking to me from d. C. Tonight. Why d. C. . Yeah, absolutely. I mean, what other place could we go to where we could actually seek some relief . Were still working on behalf of the people of the state of texas. This isnt a vacation whatsoever. Were away from our families. Were away from our jobs, but were here to still do the bidding of the people of the state of texas and of our various districts. And so the only thing we can do is now apply a fullcourt press to the senate. When we came last time, there were only a few of us, and that bill the bill was dead. We did not know where we would go from there. We now have two very live bills and we know that our legislature is going to keep pushing. And so we have a democratically controlled u. S. House, a democratically controlled u. S. Senate. We also have a democratically controlled White House. You know, in texas it is just the opposite. Theyre doing everything that they can to push through things that are bad. All were asking is that those that are in charge here in d. C. , the democratic leadership, push through something that is good. Not just for the state of texas. This is a crisis that we are suffering from in this country. Your last guest Officer Fanone just told you, theyre lying. Let me tell you something. Theyre still lying. I mean, its sad to see that now the only game that the republicans have to play is to lie and to cheat. We dont want to be cheated in this country. We want our representation to look like the people choosing our representation not our representatives choosing who they are going to represent. Texas State Representative Jasmine crockett who broke quorum along with 49 colleagues. Thank you so much for joining me tonight. Thank you so much. Next, americas longest war is finally coming to an end. Why now . Who is getting left behind . Right after this. vo the subaru crosstrek. Dog tested. Dog approved. Its been nearly 20 years and somehow amazingly it looks like the u. S. Is almost finally out of afghanistan. The war does Oent Figuresly End until the end of august. In a symbolic end of the conflict the commander of u. S. And nato troops in afghanistan stepped down today. His team makes up some of the few americans still remaining in the country. Over 90 of all u. S. Troops and u. S. Military equipment is already out of the country. The infamous Bagram Air Field is deserted and the taliban is once again reclaiming territory across the country. This war has been limping on for nearly 20 years. I started writing about it and covering it when i first started becoming a reporter. It is surreal at this moment to realize were basically out. It seems to be the same situation as if wed left ten or even 15 years ago. Covering the military and national security for the Washington Post where she broke the News President biden was planning to withdraw from afghanistan back in april and joins me now. Missy, i would say if you had asked me back in early 2020 during the president ial primary if i thought that if Joe Biden were elected he would withdraw essentially all u. S. Personnel from afghanistan, all u. S. Troops in the first six months, i would have been very surprised if that were the case. I would have been skeptical. How did this come about . So President Biden has had this well developed sense of skepticism of the value of the u. S. Military endeavor in afghanistan for at least a decade at this point. As you recall, when he was Vice President , he was this very passionate voice of caution arguing that President Obama Shouldnt get us as he put it at the time jammed by the generals who are arguing for a big surge in afghanistan. Ultimately the military won out and there was a surge. As you say, the outcome of those additional ten years is questionable at this point. The afghan forces have had a lot more time to get trained up and get new equipment but what were seeing right now is the taliban really sweep across much of the country as a result of fighting, as a result feel tactical retreats, a result of deals being made at the Village And District levels. And as general Scott Austin Miller completed his mission there today in this transfer of command ceremony, you know, it really marked the symbolic end to the u. S. Military mission. It raises a question of, you know, what we have accomplished and then the Big Question for the future is what can we expect from the afghan state at this stage despite everything the united states has tried to do in afghanistan . You referred to that phrase jammed by the generals and i think weve seen multiple times throughout the course of this war particularly in the last ten years where there was clearly resistance to exiting from top military officials who really did try to kind of jam the civilian leadership of the country. Was that did that same dynamic arise this time around . No, i think that the attitude from the pentagon was different and everyone was cognizant of the lessons of the 20092010 debate and what the overall conclusions were given how it turned out on the ground. I think, most importantly, people came into this knowing that biden, you know, is very skeptical of the Militarys Role in Washington Policy debates. He said on the Campaign Trail he hoped to bring home the vast majority of the troops. I think the most important factor that distinguishes this time from last time was the fact that everybody had another decade to conclude that this war was never going to be won on the battlefield and even the most ardent supporters of the transformational power of Military Force if you want to put it that way, i think, had concluded it wasnt going to happen in afghanistan and everyone realized that there needed to be a negotiated outcome. All right. Missy ryan has been doing great reporting on this topic. Thank you so much. Thank you. That is all in on this monday night. Rachel Maddow Show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, chris. Thank you my friend. Much appreciated. Thanks to you at home for joining us. So the planes just landed. Late today a few dozen democratic members of the texas State House of representatives met here at a local Plumbers Union Building in austin, texas. After they all met there together they got on a bus and they drove straight on to the tarmac at the airport in austin. They then all boarded a pair of planes to leave the state of texas all together. Heres how the Texas Tribune headlines their trip, quote, Texas House Democrats flee the state in a move that could block voting Restrictions Bill and bring the legislature