Ahead of the tropical storm. What it means for families still looking for answers. And former President Trump appears to acknowledge some of the Tax Schemes alleged by new York Prosecutors in the case against the Trump Organization. Good Morning And Welcome to Morning Joe, it is monday july 5th, we hope everybody had a great fourth of july. Well start with President Biden marking the celebration on the lawn at the White House. Part of what he called the summer of freedom, giving new meaning to the Independence Day Holiday as he spoke about the Nations Progress against covid19. This year, the fourth of july is a day of special celebration for we are emerging from the darkness of years a year of pandemic and isolation, a year of pain, fear and heartbreaking loss, just think back to where this nation was a year ago. Think back to where you were a year ago. And think about how far weve come from Silent Streets [ cheers and applause ] from Silent Streets to crowded streets. From empty arenas to fans back in their seats cheers together again. From families pressing a hand against a window to grandparents seeing their grandchildren again. Businesses are open and hiring again. Were seeing Record Job Creation and economic growth. The best in four decades, and i might add, the best in the world. Lets bring in Author And Nbc News President ial historian, Michael Beschloss. You listen to the president s Speech Yesterday and you line up the facts, which is in some ways the hottest economy since Reagans Morning in America Economy in 1984 as Joe Biden said yesterday. We have record job openings, we actually have more jobs than we have people to fill them right now. Covid, the pandemic, were on the backside of the pandemic, america has beaten the world in getting, you know, most of its people vaccinated. Yet as Alex Burns writes in the New York times were still a 53 47 nation. Do you suspect were going to be divided this way for quite some time . I think we are joe and mika. Heres the situation. You look back at history, we were divided in 1861, at the time of the impending Civil War and slavery. But when before had we had a situation where at a time of medical emergency there was this kind of partisan division between those who wanted to get vaccinated and those who did not. Polio vaccine began in 1955 you didnt see that. In the Influenza Pandemic of 1918 to 1920, there were a few fringe groups that were like antimask leagues but this was not a political thing. So we are living in a country where p even something like public health, which in normal times is almost above partisan division, becomes one more casualty to Civil War. I do wonder whether a leader comes along, either in the Republican Party or Democratic Party that by force of will moves beyond that, im talking political will, of course, like in 1980, reagan changed everything. Like Barack Obama did in 2008. That was supposed to be the beginning of a new era. Trump 2016. Isnt that for the most part, isnt that how american history is moved along out of these stubborn sort of retrenchments . You are absolutely right. A leader of the opposition party, you know, essentially said this is getting crazy and this is getting dangerous lets change it. Arthur vapidenberg in 1947, for instance. He said this is a threat from the soviets in europe, we have to be more internationalists, we ahead to other republicans we have to make deals with others so we can have Nato And Deal with the spread of the soviet army, possibly through Western Europe which we want to stop. Thats something that we usually have. The other thing is, in a time like this with this pandemic seeming to ebb, almost up to 70 , hasnt quite gotten there yet, americans do have a habit through history when weve been through a terrible experience we want to forget quickly. For instance, one of the reasons why the roaring 20s Were Roaring was because people wanted to forget the Death Toll of World War i, 105,000 people. The Death Toll of the Influenza Pandemic, 675,000. They wanted to forget it as soon as possible. It would have been a hard time for a president to say lets have a vaccine and were going to have to restore things like mask. After the korean war, which people judge largely a failure, a frustration, people forget it happened. You talk to a korean veteran and that person will say that, same thing for the vietnam war. For President Biden, he has to say lets keep getting vaccinated, the threat is still here, there might be a variant that might be very dangerous, particularly after labor day, but at the same time we have this terrific Economy And America is certainly back and better than it was a year ago for all sorts of reasons. Give us all your thoughts on the president s Speech Yesterday. And what the first six months of the Biden Presidency suggests for whats ahead . Well, i think we have been very lucky to have a pro with a half Century Experience in national politics. Because there have been very few mistakes over the last six months, especially in the thing that you were talking about just a moment ago, which is, you know, he would be very tempted to say, yes, the economy is wonderful, as he said yesterday, the pandemic is better, which he did say. But another less seasoned political leader might say everything is great. Everyone relax. The tough thing for a leader is to do both of those things, because he knows if there is a downturn in the economy and that can always happen, terrible inflation might happen. You might have a variant that makes this vista look a little less bright than it does on the Fifth Of July 2021. Then next year he has to run a Midterm Election which every republican commercial will put those words up saying he was too optimistic, let down our guard, almost like george w. Bush with mission accomplished. Michael beschloss, thank you always for being with us. And happy fourth of july weekend. Fourth and fifth. Yes. Happy fourth of july observed. To michaels point last night, President Biden also warned that the Covid Variants are still powerful and urged americans to get vaccinated. Dont get me wrong, covid19 has not been vanquished. We all know powerful variants have emerged, like the Delta Variant, but the best defense against these variants is to get vaccinated. My fellow americans, its the most patriotic thing you can do. So, please, if you havent gotten vaccinated, do it, do it now. For yourself. For your Loved Ones. For your community. And for your country. All right. The nation fell just short of the president s goal of getting 70 of american adults vaccinated by the fourth of july. More than 172 Million adults have been vaccinated, thats about 67 . Meanwhile, Polling Shows President Biden earning high marks for his handling of the pandemic. In a new Washington Post Abc news poll, 62 of americans said they approve of the president s performance. But while the majority of democrats and independents gave President Biden good grades. 60 of republicans said they disapproved of his pandemic response. And while 69 of all respondents said they have been vaccinated or plan to get vaccinated, 47 of republicans said they probably or definitely will not get vaccinated. On Meet The Press yesterday, dr. Anthony fauci was asked about the highly contagious Delta Variant of coronavirus and issued a warning about regional disparities in Vaccination Rates. Were going to see, and i have said, almost two types of america. You know, those regions of america which are highly vaccinated and we have a low level of dynamics of infection and in some places, some states, some cities, some areas where the level of vaccination is low and the level of View Rus Dissemination is high, thats where youre going to see the spikes. Some republican governors are expressing concern with Vaccine Hesitancy in their states. Arkansas asa hutchinson, West Virginia Jim Justice and utahs Spencer Cox all implored residents to get vaccinated yesterday. Those are among the three states where the Vaccination Rate is lagging and the Delta Variant is spreading. Joe, talk about the governors and what theyre doing. These are states where folks dont want to give in on their Vaccine Hesitancy. Well, theyre states that are stronger republican states. You can actually see how america is divided. If there are lower vaccine rates, chances are good theyre more likely to vote for republicans. Theyre more likely to be skeptical. Theyre more likely to be trump supporters. Thats why these republican governors are going out in some of these states. We saw Senator Tommy Tubberville in alabama do the same thing where Vaccination Rates are low. Theyre doing it for a good reason. First of all, they want their people to be healthy. But also, they want their states to be Open For Business. Thats right. This is soon going to be an economic going to cause economic disparity. Youre a business and you have a chance to move into a low Tax State where Vaccination Rates are higher or a state where Vaccination Rates are lower, youre going to move your company where Vaccination Rates are higher, because its going to be harder to get the best and brighter workers to get to a state with Vaccination Rates that are lower. Its just an economic reality. Thats what weve been saying for some time on this show where even if you dont care about peoples health, even if if youre so selfish that you dont care, just be selfish economically and do the things you need to do to keep yourself safe, your family safe, your community safe so businesses can open up and work there. So the governors are doing their best, but there is this Vaccine Hesitancy that well be talking a lot more of with experts here that could really set the country back. Is this one area or tell me if im wrong, where Donald Trump could make a big difference if he really got out there and told people that he got the vaccine, melania got the vaccine, it is okay to get the vaccine, in fact, it is good for you and for the country to get the vaccine . If he came out and gave a fullthroated endorsement of the vaccine and his own benefitting of it, would it make a difference with the vaccine hesitant population . You got to believe it would. Hes come out and he told people to get the vaccine. You know what im saying. He sort of said it. Yeah. I was going to get to that. Hes come out and said people should get the vaccine. But if he was aggressive about it, if he talked about it a lot in his speeches. If he bragged about the fact that his administration helped develop the vaccine and it was the greatest vaccine on the planet like he says about his Golf Courses and his Chocolate Cakes that he gifts leaders of china. If he went all in, you got to believe hes one of the few people that could move the number that we saw at the beginning of the show down. Almost one in two republicans are refusing to get vaccines. Again, thats not only going to hurt them and their families and Loved Ones and friends. Its going to hurt their communities, states, because in the long run people are going to make Business Decisions based on what communities are not just friendly to low tax and regulations and a government that wants to be a partner with small businesses instead of an enemy. Theyre going to look at numbers on how many people are vaccinated. If im a ceo and i can go into, i dont know, austin, texas, i dont know what the Vaccination Rate is there. But say austin, texas Vaccination Rates are higher than montgomery, alabama, im going to texas. Thats the decision that leaders and states need to make. Youre right, the one person getting out there aggressively telling that 50 of the Republican Party to go out and get vaccinations to make a difference, it would be Donald Trump. But again, i the numbers are really baffling because every one of those republicans, or 99 of those republicans, they gave all their kids vaccines before they went to school or else their kids didnt go to school. Its that simple. Yes. Lets bring in white House Reporter for the associated press, Jonathan Lemire and president of the national action network, reverend Al Sharpton. And founding director of the Boston University Center for emerging infectious diseases, dr. Nahid bhadelia, shes an msnbc contributor. Good morning to you all. Dr. Bhadelia, i want to ask you about the scientific side of the Delta Variant. How i guess explain where the united states stands with the Delta Variant and how possible is it that it could set the country back in its progress against the coronavirus . Mika, happy fourth weekend by the way. What we know about the Delta Variant is, its a lot more transmissible. Because of that, the exposure to it, it makes it a lot more dangerous for you if youre not vaccinated now compared to even last summer. The poll that you showed, what i found interesting about that, three out of ten people are saying theyre not probably are definitely not going to get the vaccine. 80 of those people say they wont because they dont think this virus is going to impact them. The truth of the matter is, the way this distribution has occurred where youre seeing cases go up, hospitalizations go up, missouri, mississippi, arkansas, those are all states that low 30s Vaccination Rates in the low 30s. The idea, people look at that, 70 of people almost getting their first dose. Theyll say, the inclination is to say arent we close, wont we get over the hurdle with kids now getting vaccinated . Sure some places that might be enough. In fall with kids going to school, the vaccines getting Emergency Use Authorization for kids under 12, the problem is the way the distribution of unvaccinated, as you talked about, set up is that most of them are in the same community. So if youre not vaccinated youre hurting your own neighbors, communities, families, is true. And i fear the politics in the fall is going to get worse as we start talking about Vaccinating School Kids as they go back to school. Jonathan lemire, President Biden wanted to get to 70 by the fourth of july, hes close, 67 i think the number is, but you look at the number of where we are as a country, then you look at that poll, and youve got about 30 of americans saying they havent gotten it, theyre not going to get it. Whats the next step for the White House to try to encourage more americans to get those vaccines . In your conversation with Michael Beschloss a few minutes ago, he mentioned the george w. Bush mission accomplished banner, and that is the forefront of this White Houses mind, they wanted to make sure they are not perceived as doing that. As getting out ahead of it, claiming the pandemic is behind the nation when it clearly is not. They wanted to use fourth of july as a moment of celebration to mark look how far weve come. And No Doubt theres remarkable success and the Vaccine Distribution largely had been a triumphed for this administration but there are dark clouds on the horizon, covid cases are up 10 or so as the Delta Variant takes hold, particularly in states with low Vaccination Rates they know that is the great challenge, itll take three to four weeks before they hit the 70 Vaccination Mark they are close but deserve credit. Now its a targeted approach to those communities that have been so hesitant. Theres not been a formal ask of Donald Trump to do this and if the White House were to ask, that would be a good way to get him not to do it. But he is more about the vaccine but mostly he hasnt gotten enough credit. Weve talked, my colleagues and i, who have been out in the states across the country some of them say at this point, republicans who are refusing to get the vaccine said they wouldnt get it if trump did say you need to do this, that he wouldnt mean it. Its become another battle hardened divide, us versus them, a cultural decision to not take the vaccine, which is dangerous economically yes, but also their health and the health of their Loved Ones, do they rely on local leaders to get out there with ad campaigns, but this is a stubborn problem and they admit they dont have all the answers right now. Its a stubborn Problem And Weve been talking about republican Vaccine Hesitancy. Obviously, reverend al, people of color have been vaccine hesitant. In 2020 well over a third of people of color saying they were unlikely to get the vaccine. That Vaccine Hesitancy is still there, down just a little bit. But what do leaders do to get to members of the black community, the hispanic, latino community, to get the vaccines, because lets face it at the end of the day if they get sick, theyre the ones most likely to suffer the most. The hesitancy is still there, its down somewhat, but not nearly where it should be. That took a lot of effort from those of us in Community Positions of leadership and visibility. But i think we have got to keep pounding at the fact that this is not, first of all, exposing you to something that some Conspiracy Theorist as weaved even though the history is clearly there that gives people cause for pause. This is not in any way like weve seen in the past and we have to make them understand, dont do this just for you, do this for your children, grandchildren, and the business in your community. Everyone wants to see the businesses and the jobs and a sense of stability come back to the community, you Cant Stand in the way. And you have to have those direct kind of messages to them to almost say to them, youre the one standing in the way of the community rising back to some level of trying to be stable. All right. Were going to come right back to this conversation but we want to go to florida now where, in preparation of an impending tropical storm, the remaining portion of the Condo Building in surfside was demolished overnight. It happened last night around 10 30 eastern time, with controlled explosives. There was concern that the rest of champlain towers south could come crashing down as well. Demolishing the rest of the condo was sped up due to a tropical storm that could Hit Surfside as early as this afternoon. The governor of florida has issued a State Of Emergency as tropical Storm Elsa closes in, 121 people remain missing 12 days after the building collapsed. 24 people are confirmed dead. Joining us now from surfside is nbc News Correspondent von hillyard. Whats the latest . Reporter good morning. This was a major operational hurdle for the Rescue Operation. A striking decision made this weekend to take down the remaining part of that building. This decision was a reversal from the mayor and other officials initial stance that they were not going to risk this building Coming Down, potentially making this Rescue Operation even harder on top of the rubble. But the reality is there is a expected and rain and the last thing these Rescue Teams wanted was that building going down in a direction, whether its in the streets or the building next door or onto that pile of rubble because there are still 121 individuals unaccounted for, you saw from the images of the video overnight. This was a success. The mayor calling the collapse a success. This was 11 days after that initial collapse here. You can see the Video Shot in the streets last night. Within minutes there, the Rescue Crews were headed right back to the scene. Essentially going back into that debris, that dust, to begin this Rescue Mission again. This is still a Rescue Mission at this time. Folks, families are still holding out hope that families, Loved Ones are beneath the rubble. I was talking to one man whose Mother And Grandmother are both missing. He questioned the decision to take this down. He said he wants closure, a proper burial. But officials saying they put a tarp over the existing rubble so this morning it made it easier to eliminate the new material so they could get to that initial pile of rubble and begin to recover bodies at a speedier Rate And One in which there is not a looming danger that that Condo Complex could collapse on top of the Rescue Crews. Mika . Vaughn hillyard thank you for your coverage. We want to turn back to our coverage of the concern. The president announcing he almost made his goal, 67 of people vaccinated. But this Vaccine Hesitancy is a concern. Dr. Bhadelia, whats the concern that people who did get vaccinated will need booster shots. The science is still out. Its good news showing those who had both the vaccines or a prior infection and one dose that likely theyre going to hold out some level of immune response to the variants out there or over time, at least for a year, maybe a couple years have that protection. However we dont know whats on the horizon. We covered the idea of a booster because of how long the Vaccine Coverage will last but also because were worried in the virus continues to transmit and right now worldwide youre seeing increase in transmissions in southern africa, asia, youre seeing cases going up. So there might be a new variant that poses a new risk that then introduces the need for a booster. The answer is we dont know. Only 10 of the world is vaccinated and the other 90 youre seeing the virus pose a risk, currently. Dr. Nahid bhadelia, thank you for being on this morning. We appreciate it. Still ahead, former President Trump uses a rally in florida to rail against the prosecution of the Trump Organization. He appeared to acknowledge the Tax Schemes behind the charges. Well, i dont know he did that. It was like, what, taxes . You have to pay taxes on cars and buildings . He sort of denied they are crimes. Well, he acted like he didnt know what he was doing. Which i guess would work if you werent keeping two sets of books to hide the taxes you werent paying. Plus, experts say it may be the single biggest global Ransomware Attack on record and russian hackers could be responsible. Also, as they prepare to celebrate 75 years of marriage. Former president , Jimmy Carter and his wife, roselyn reflect on their relationship and offer some advice. Youre watching Morning Joe. Well be right back. Atching mo well be right back. L my employ something different. Oh, we can help with that. Okay, imagine this. Your mover, rob, hes on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. 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By eating 76 Hot Dogs in if just ten minutes at nathans annual fourth of july contest, marking his 14th, fourth of july win. Chestnut celebrated to cheers of several thousand attendees watching from the stands of a minor League Baseball Stadium at coney island. I want to see Lee Greenwood right now. The runner up managed down 50 Hot Dogs while third place ate 44. What are we doing here . Can we stop . Jonathan lemire, and i proudly stand up next to you and defend her still today. Gorging like a g. O. A. T. Joey chestnut sets record with 76 Hot Dogs in no minutes, a true american great. I want to bring up Willie Geist trying to get in our head suggesting that the Red Sox have won the east. We know thats not true, Jonathan Lemire. Were about to collapse. You could see it a couple nights ago in oakland. True weve won nine out of ten games, were ahead of the new York Yankees by ten just before the allstar break, true our Relief Pitching for the most part has been excellent but you dig into that one loss in ten games a couple nights ago in oak oakland you can see the beginning of the end from this franchise. I suspect were moving down to triple a. Theyre lulling us into this false sense of security and when its time to go around the home stretch, going to go right past you. They got us where they want us joe. Its interesting that you suggest relegation, which is a staple of English Soccer leagues would now come to major league baseball. Does seem like its the red Soxs Fate and sad future. I will say on Joey Chestnut, america is backs. Thats what that is. Yes, yes, we are. I cant even watch those. So gross. I cant do it. I know hes the Tom Brady of that sport, except hes not like Tom Brady in any way. Thats not a sport. Thats hard for me to stomach, but i will say, joe, fourth of july, no better time perhaps to mark the fall of an empire. I did take my Boys Yesterday to the Subway Series and saw the mets come back against the yankees, but then the yankees did win the night cap, their comeback starts right now. Were in trouble. Were in trouble. Rev, its hard to look at the tabloids in new York City. Theyre just trashing the yankees the fans are turning on this team, booing them. Thank god we have Joey Chestnut to gather around the flag. America is back. I think that, as one who has been particularly careful with my diet the last several years you look fantastic. Chestnut is not exactly a heroic figure to me. And i sit there and what is more interesting to me than anything is why thousands of people would go and watch this. I mean, on a sunday, it really is not something that a minister wants to hear people are doing on a sunday rather than go to church. He needs to be folded into some sort of religious celebration, i dont know. It is a religious celebration in itself, mika, but go ahead. Heres something nice. Former president Jimmy Carter and his wife, rosalyn, will celebrate their 75th wedding anniversary, wednesday july 7th. Theyre the lopgest married president ial couple in history. They shared advice in a new Joint Interview with the associated press. He said, my biggest secret is to mary the right person if you want to have a longlasting marriage. Every day there needs to be Reconciliation And Communication between the two spouses. We dont go to sleep with some remaining differences between us. Rosalyn carter noted the importance of finding common interests. Even now she said jimmy and i are always looking for things to do together. Still she emphasized a caveat, each person should have space. Thats important. Isnt that nice. We have common interests, you love going out and running long distances. And i love. Joey chestnut. The fact that you like to go out and run long distances. You want me to keep running. You know the carters, actually, and you saw them upclose. I heard you say such wornful things about them. Especially you didnt you didnt spend as much time around the president as you did rosalyn, but you just you just and your father and mother, your entire family just absolutely loved rosalyn carter. Theyre a remarkable couple. And i believe that a lot of what they did in terms of how they conducted their marriage but their lives is focused on their religion and on their values, and he brought that to the White House. And my father has so many amazing stories about just the kindness, the generosity, the empathy and just the beauty that the carters brought to the table every day. You forgot one word, in your Fathers Diary i read patience. Jimmy brought a lot of patience towards your father. And many others. And a lot of love. Yes. Youre right. A wonderful couple. Happy anniversary. 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Like so many military families, thinking of your Loved Ones who served, we think of our son beau today. Youre all part of a long chain of patriots who pledged their lives and their sacred honor in defense of this nation. President biden at the white House Yesterday in contrast the top republican on the house foreign Affairs Committee, Congressman Michael Mccall is slamming President Biden for his decision to withdraw all troops from afghanistan saying the president will be responsible for the actions of taliban. Were going dark in afghanistan and there will be consequences because of this. At the end of the day, when we fully withdraw, the devastation, and the killings in women, humanitarian crisis, President Biden is going to own these ugly images. I wonder if the chairman said the same thing when Donald Trump kept pushing to get us out of afghanistan, maybe he said the same thing when the Donald Trump decided he was going to abandon our kurdish allies by taking 3,000, 3,500 troops when he yanked them out of syria. When we actually had american troops that were pushing back on isis. American Troops Bushing back on the iranians, the syrians, the russians, and we had american troops that were pushing back on the turks. And yet Donald Trump yanked them out. I think that was a mistake. Said so. I think getting everybody out of afghanistan is a mistake. I wonder if the chairman was that aggressive when Donald Trump were making what i believe were those terrible tactical decisions. Thats the frustration here, these are important debates but the hypocrisy is ridiculous. The top u. S. General in afghanistan, general Scott Miller is warning of a Civil War in the region. You look at the Security Situation, its not good. The taliban are on the move. Were starting to create conditions here that wont look good for afghanistan in the future if theres a push for a military takeover. Lets bring in richard haas, and Ed Luce. Richard you and i have both expressed our concerns with this afghanistan withdrawal. People may be tired of afghanistan, and yet people were tired of being in iraq and we had to send troops back to iraq after isis created havoc. Would it be the same in afghanistan . Id be surprised if we sent any troops to afghanistan for any duration. I think the lesson here is we are just just because we overreached in afghanistan doesnt now make the argument for underreaching. And to leave will create vacuums, things are going badly faster than i thought. The fact the taliban are Making Enroads in the north, not the normal base in the country, is a bad development. And i think this is a rare example of bipartisan for both the trump administration, now the biden administration, i think both of us would argue have gotten it wrong. Weve reached a point where a small level of american troops seem to be keeping the lid on. We havent had a Combat Fatality there in something like 16 months. Weve driven the Cost Way down in terms of human as well as financial and i think this is this is simply a strategicowned goal. You know, richard, the question is always asked What In The World did we learn from 20 years of war . What we learned, the United States Military showed in syria, that you can have a small number of troops place them strategically get the right troops there and you can push back on isis, on russia, on the syrians, the iranians. And it was a sustainable force, 2,500 to 4,000 troops there. The same thing with afghanistan and yet it seems this all or Nothing Mentality again, its it is so short sided. I will say, strategically inept for not just democrats, republicans like Donald Trump and a lot of people who just want to bring troops home and live in fortress america. Its not how a great power behaves. Its also not how a smart power behaves. Again, in our rush to get out we will create situations which i think, as we learned on 9 11 were about to mark the 20th Anniversary, can hurt us. Were not immune from these things. One of the phrases, joe, i would argue should be banned from the conversation is forever wars. We dont call what we have in Korea Or Germany wars we call them open interests. And again afghanistan we have arrived at a point where for modest investment we really got good results and i think its unfortunate that the mentality is somehow lets bring all the troops back which in the short run is welcome but in the medium and long run i fear we may regret it. The all or Nothing Approach where if you have 2,500 people there its the same as having 100,000 troops there, its just ridiculous. Ban forever war and also worlds policemen. If were sending 2,500 troops to push back on isis or russian aggression, to stand up and help the kurds, stop the Refugee Crisis in syria, where Tens Of Thousands of syrians are being starved to death because we arent there. Thats not us being global policeman, thats us looking after our own best interests. And Ed Luce american politicians love to say the united states is going it alone, why should we go it alone in afghanistan . We arent going it alone in afghanistan. And we werent going it alone in afghanistan. We had a lot of allies, theyre helping us. Yeah. Thats right. And im sitting here in Rural England visiting my parents for the first time in a couple of years, so forgive the eccentric backdrop. It was something the british, the dutch, the germans, italians, other nato partners in afghanistan were not extensively consulted on before the Biden Announcement of withdrawal and they werent consulted on the 9 11, 20th Anniversary withdrawal date. I think overall the europeans are happy with biden they do believe the americans, to some extent, are back. But this is one decision on the negative side of the ledger. Because americas nato partners can only exist in afghanistan and continue their operations with the united states. So theyre all withdrawing i think pretty much fully withdrawn now with the full knowledge that Pakistan Hasnt changed, still run by a deep state by its intelligence services and seedy military. And the taliban, as Mikas Dad used to say, we might have the watchers but the taliban have the time. And theyve got the time and theyre using it really much quicker than we might have feared as richard pointed out. They are gaining districts at an alarming pace. So now moving to china. Chinas president , Xi Jingping, recently marked the 100th Anniversary of the communist party of china with a warning to his rivals. In a speech last week before a crowd of 70,000, xi praised The Partys successes saying china wanted to promote peace in the world but said the country would no longer listen to, quote, Sangt Moan Yous preaching and the time they could bullied by others is gone forever. He praised the Ruling Party for living china out of poverty and vowed to expand the military and influence. There was a belief that china was inward looking, wanted to protect the kingdom, it was not going to be like the soviets post 1917. Any reason to reassess that beyond the South China seas. Do you see china as a country that has military designs on other parts of the world . I wouldnt say they have military designs on quote unquote other parts of the world. I think the real question is not just the South China see but the areas in close, the border with india, the islands they dispute with japan, the question of whether they might be willing at some point to use Military Force and take Taiwan And Quote unquote reunify china. I think in the rest of the world beyond that their tools are more economic, more diplomatic, the socalled Belt And Road infrastructure, but i think The Real Thing is what we call in the case of russia, theyre near abroad. They dont consider to be abroad. So much of Xi Jingpings speech the other day was not simply about celebrating The Party and all that theyve accomplished over the last century but talking about the work that remains to be done. The good news i would say in a speech is when he did speak about taiwan, he didnt lay out a timetable, he talked about peaceful reunification. And talked about the main thing was that taiwan not declare independence and if that didnt happen there werent specific threats. So as muscular as the speech was, a lot of Red Meat should we say, it didnt set new worrisome language out there on taiwan. Ed luce, listening to the Speech Or Reading accounts of the speech, its the sort of speech that you would expect a politician to give on the 100th Anniversary of their party. Obviously china is a special case but i wasnt shocked by language that said china will never be preached to again, never be told what to do again. Its exactly tell me, maybe im wrong, i heard nothing there that sent Alarm Bells off only because he seemed to be speaking to a domestic crowd. Yeah, theres that and also the fact that we got used to this more robust, more aggressive face of china to the world. So weve had several years of Xi Jingping and Wolf Warrior Diplomacy being the norm with china. He didnt ratchet it up a notch with this speech and as richard pointed out, he didnt make any specific threats to taiwan, it was more Boiler Plate Language directed to a domestic obvious. If youre in the Tom Cotton Camp and looking for reasons to sort of escalate this Cold War with china, this isnt a reason. Now to this Ransomware Attack that has affected the networks of at least 200 u. S. Companies on friday, and a russian Criminal Gang appears to be behind it. Cyber security experts are pointing the blame at a major russianspeaking ransomware syndicate. The satisfactory Ware Company is believed to have been the target of the attack, and experts think it could be the same hackers who shutdown the Jbs Meat company over memorial day demanding an 11 Million ransom. So Jonathan Lemire, what has been and is the white House Reaction to these attacks and how do they counter them . This is sort of the first test of how President Bidens summit with Vladimir Putin went a few weeks ago. Part of that meeting was biden delivering a stern and not subtle messaging to putin suggesting we dont necessarily believe that the russian government are behind the Cyber Attacks that happened up to that point but you are giving Safe Harbor to organizations doing this. The pipeline that was shutdown that caused temporary fuel spikes just one of many examples of the Ransomware Attacks going more and more prevalent. The president was asked about this saturday he was at an event in michigan, and more or less he was asked about it by a report erthere. He said he hadnt been fully briefed yet, wasnt able to weigh in one way or another who was behind it. We are seeing others saying yes, it was a russian group. We dont expect to hear from him publicly today but this will be a major topic in in the days ahead, what sort of reaction will the White House have. In the past theyve given Russia Cover if the Government Wasnt involved directly. Well see in the days and weeks ahead if there will be a more aggressive response from the administration whether its sanctions or nudge, Wink A Cyber Attack the other way. How important is it for the biden administration to have a signal sent from the russians that things are different now and that actually the putin and the russian government will move aggressively against criminal operators in their own country . Its critical. We began the conversation this morning talking about afghanistan and after 9 11 we declared to the world that we nould not only hold Terrorist Groups responsible but we would hold responsible any government, country that harbored them or supported them. And weve moved to the same place with these cyber criminals. So the message is to the russian government, if you allow groups like this to operate freely out of your territory you are just as responsible, as guilty as they are. So i think we reached that point. Unless you believe a group of this scale could be operating under mr. Putins nose without his knowledge and approval, and i dont, its time to Followup Geneva and say youre accountable. Whether the response is sanctioned or i would prefer something in the cyber domain to say to putin, we put you on notice, this has happened, you have to respond. Ed luce, you are in Rural England, i must ask you, how is the household . How is the neighborhood, the community . How is the nation preparing for wednesday as england moves forward and takes on denmark, possibly moving all the way to the finals to have an opportunity to break the hearts of every englishmen in the final next week . Well, there are plenty of Prince Hamlet jokes being cracked already before the denmark semifinal. Rural england is obviously obsessed with the soccer. But i went on a walk this is very much Country Side around here yesterday, and i came across two isolated cottages, picturesque scenes flying the american flag and ive never seen that before. It was july the 4th, they knew it was july the 4th. Normally they have the Saint Union flags. But to have the american flag flying in Rural England on july the 4th, was to me something unusual. Ive never seen that before. And i doubt i will have seen it this time last year. Trump is not a popular figure. Biden is quite highly liked in england. But the obsession, as you suggest, joe, and you must forgive the spotty wifi, this is my parents house. That the football on wednesday will its like a religious event. Its going to have the entire nation watching. Yes. The wifi is fine. Better than eating Hot Dogs. The backdrop is wonderful. I dont know if you saw the movie yesterday, but it looks like a Set Scene out of the movie. We love it. Thank you for being with us Ed Luce. And richard haass, im going to be Carol Merle here, you have two doors you can talk about the new York Yankees, thats behind door one or door two Whats Door two . We can wish you a happy fourth of july are you going to go golfing today, richard . I will go golfing today. And i do want to remind you and the guy in The Box next to you that the season is not even 50 over. Its too soon to start setting aside nights in many october for playoffs or world series. Youre not quite there yet. On the other hand, we are even farther not quite there yet. Its not looking good. I think we ought to get the hot dog guy, we ought to get him on. We need him. Richard we fully expect the Red Sox will collapse and the jane keys will storm past us again. But for now were just the little engine that could. I think i can. Richard haass, Ed Luce, thank you both. We are just a few minutes past the top of the hour, of course, late. In preparation of an impending tropical storm, the remaining portion of the Condo Building in surfside, florida was demolished overnight. It happened last night around 10 30 eastern time with controlled explosives. There was very real concerns that the rest of champlain towers south could come crashing down as well. Bringing the building down in a controlled manner is critical to expanding our scope of search, as you know, in the pile, and allowing us to search in the area closest to the building which has currently not been accessible to the teams given the great risk to our first responders due to the instability of the building. Demolishing the rest of the condo was sped up due to a tropical storm that could Hit Surfside as early as this afternoon. The governor of florida has issued a State Of Emergency as tropical Storm Elsa closes in. 121 people remain missing. 12 days after the building collapsed. 24 people are confirmed dead. Now to President Biden marking the fourth of July Holiday last night with a celebration on the South Lawn of the White House. It was part of what he called the summer of freedom, giving new meaning to the Independence Day Holiday, as he spoke about the Nations Progress against covid19. This year, the fourth of july is a day of special celebration. For we are emerging from the darkness of years a year of pandemic and isolation, a year of pain, fear, and heart breaking loss. Just think back to where this nation was a year ago. Think back to where you were a year ago. And think about how far weve come from Silent Streets to crowded parade routes lined with people waving american flags. From empty stadiums and arenas to fans back in their seats cheering together again. From families pressing hands against a window to grandparents hugging their grandchildren once again. Were back traveling again. Were back seeing one another again. Businesses are opening and hiring again. Were seeing Record Job Creation and record economic growth. The best in four decades, and i might add, the best in the world. [ cheers and applause ] meanwhile, with an estimated 350,000 attendees at nashvilles let freedom sing fourth of july celebration, Headliner Brad Paisleys Independence Day convert marked the official Reopening Of Nashville and americas live Music Scene breaking historic records for its attendance and fireworks display. The Morning Joe Field Team was there last night with the musicians and attendees as they cheered on the music and a return to normalcy. Happy fourth of July Nashville is back. This is the greatest country in the world. Greatest city in the world. Covid is basically over for most of us. Its nice to see all these smiles. I think its the fact that its the largest show in the country is a testament to the growth thats happened here. Im a Music Lover and country fan, coming here to nashville getting to see Brad Paisley. We love america and nashville. Nashville is back, baby. Its back. To show you have a global Super Star thats going to take the stage inviting everybody to come out to experience music once again, its back, live music, lets do this. This is what we lost that time, that feeling that youre looking at a stranger in the eyes, singing along. Thats what i miss, singing that with someone i never met before at the top of my lungs. Bringing live music back is so exciting. Being in front of a crowd is why we do it. We want to reach people. So this is really reaching people and a lot of people. This is what its all about to me playing music, in Music City. To me this is the greatest Music City in the world. And just playing a venue this big, dream come true. I could not be more excited to see Brad Paisley in concert, its like old times again. Live events, i dont see masks, hopefully everyone is vaccinated. Im a big believer in the vaccination. I think brad speaks for a lot of people in the united states. I think he brings people together. As far as politics goes. I feel like people on all sides of the aisle love brad, hes the definition of coming together and showing that were all going to get through this. After 15 months of being locked up and doing Everything Digitally and remotely, having the opportunity to come together and experience this live, the reopening of america, Country Music is all about community, energy and connectivity, and nobody embodies that more than Brad Paisley, who someone like Brad Paisley, encouraging people to get the shot, the vaccine, so we can have nights like this. This really feels like theyve done an incredible job in nashville. Were talking about more fireworks than anywhere else in the country. And this is really the home of this type of music and the idea of getting back out there, were back, its great. Basically singing city of music on broadway, which is mentioned in the song, its the type of thing where when i saw what all we went through, a bombing, a flood, a tornado, a pandemic, music business shutdown, to be able to celebrate what we are as a city and what we stand for musically, i cant wait to look at the very people im talking about when i sing it. I think this means everything for the country. We need to experience music in an open Airplane Setting together, shoulder to shoulder, collective experience of things like this as well as the idea of economically what it means to my industry. These people were devastated by this. And the fact that were all going back on the road, this is the first of, i hope, many of these that are going to happen all around the country all summer long and be able to celebrate that weve really were at a good place. Its great. I love this city i love Yall God bless you were back thanks for being here what a great city. So cool. What a great event and what a great guy Brad Paisley is. One of the guys you saw in that piece, Curt Bardella, now an adviser for the d triple c. And also with us Capitol Correspondent Kasie hunt. Also Alexi Mchammond joins us, shes rejoined the axios political team covering the 2022 Midterm Elections and Jonathan Lemire and reverend Al Sharpton are still with us. Curt, looked like an extraordinary night we heard Joe Biden Say America is back but last night it looked like nashville is back and Open For Business. Joe, it sure felt like it. I cant even do justice to what it felt like to look out and see 350,000 plus people just in the celebratory euphoric, joyous mood. You know this being a musician that music is a universal language. I think all of us have been waiting so long for something positive to experience together as a community and being in nashville, you know, Music City, Brad Paisley, a tremendous ambassador both for Country Music but as well as just the american people and someone who embodies the spirit of being unified, of coming together, as hes talking about, nothing more patriotic you can do than get the shot so we can experience moments like this. And its everything we could have hoped and imagined for and really the powerful energy amongst that crowd and this was a situation where it wasnt republicans, democrats, we were all americans, all singing along and it was just such a joyous feeling. Reverend al, you obviously travel around the country, im curious, do you get the sense that we are finally, at last, reOpen For Business, reopen the churches, whether were talking about churches, concert halls, baseball stadiums, does it seem like weve gotten to the point with this fourth of july where we can Say America is Open For Business . I think that we are approaching that very rapidly. And i what i sense even more is a hunger for people who want to Open For Business. They want to be back together. When we saw what brad was able to pull off in nashville, i think he is right when he says he wants to do it in New York in front of live people. To really see people really want to come out and they want to the come out together. Im sensing that kind of hunger across political lines, people that did not normally talk to Each Other, that were strangers or talking to Each Other now. I think thats one of the good things that comes out of quarantine is that you sort of appreciate trying to learn and build and bond with certain situations that you may not have done before. I really sense that everywhere i travel around. To politics now. Republicans nationwide have unified around one issue as they gear up for a Midterm Fight that will determine control of congress. Crime. Gop operatives are centering their Midterm Message on rising Crime Rates and defunding the police. A strategy that saw them gain seats In The House in 2020 Nbc News reports in retrospectives by democrats, the lack of clarity on where they stand on policing was cited for a cause of their disappointing results in several congressional races. This as a recent Poll Show 60 of americans see crime as an extremely or serious problem in the united states. And President Biden is talking obviously about spending more money on policing, spending more money on crime prevention. Im wondering, is that being picked up on The Hill by democrats and is that a message that moderate and progressive democrats can move forward with as they go toward the 2022 elections . Joe, i think its going to be tricky actually. I think youre right that the president has handled this in a careful way. Remember Jim Clyburn, the number three democrat In The House at the time, said why are we using this slogan, it doesnt make any sense. And i think that perspective has settled with most of the members of congress but there are still progressives who are focused on this. There was a bill to literally secure the Capitol Building that Nancy Pelosi the House Speaker had to scramble and make sure she had enough votes for it because there were members of the squad that said this bill gives money to police and we are not ready to vote for that. This is still an emotional and divisive issue inside the Democratic Party, i think this is going to put much more pressure on that group to i mean, they did not necessarily publicize that this is what they were doing in advance but that is actually what happened. Its clear how quickly this issue has changed and, you know, weve cited the New York may Mayor Race that suddenly this has rocketed to the top of the list of things important to people and i think President Biden gets that. He was around when crime was an issue in a durcht way than it has been in the last decade and i dont think that lesson has been lost. Over the last six to nine Months Weve had democratic leaders on, i asked each one whether they supported the, quote, defunding of the police, whether it was a good idea, every one said it was a bad idea, a bad slogan. Jim clyburn has been saying it since that about. And then you the New York mayoral race where the excop rocketed to first place. Let me ask you the same question, is there going to be a disconnect between biden, Jim Clyburn and the more progressive members of the caucus when it comes to crime, or funding police or defunding police . As kasie mentioned this issue is changing. I spoke with Nina Turner last week by phone, shes running in ohios 11th district, and when Jim Clyburn got involved in that primary and endorsed her democratic opponent he cited defund the police in what he calls sloganing as the reason he was endorsing Chantel Brown and not Nina Turner. Nina is a Progressive Icon to folks on the left, one of Bernie Sanders senior most advisers, she said to me, look, i dont run on defund the police. I have Family Members who served in Law Enforcement throughout my life. I have a more nuanced take on Police Reform and yet folks like clyburn are taking the range out on the Progressive Movement against those trying to get a seat in congress. So were seeing the dynamics unfold for the folks that are Progressive Icons and vocal progressives but having to walk this weird tight rope, balance as democrats are trying, and some say failing, to figure out their message on Police Reform. Jl Jonathan Lemire its nas fascinating. Leaders have been saying on this show they oppose defunding the police, Joe Biden came out talking about additional funding for the police. Obviously they understand this is going to be a top issue as Crime Rates go up across the country according to one headline after another. Im wondering, jonathan, any future plans from the White House to show americans that President Biden is tough on crime . Joe, the White House feels like they are pretty well protected against the defund the police attack, biden personally, they point to his long career, associations with Law Enforcement, support for the Crime Bill obviously from the 90s some of that he has withdrawn saying we should have done this better, but they feel he personally is okay on this issue. Theyre watching the stats too. This is why they had the event at the White House a few weeks ago. They recognize this is becoming a top issue for many americans as crimes, shootings go up in a number of places across the country. There is concern, though, that the split on this issue, reverendocts in the midterms, their margins are so slim for democrats to keep control of the house. They feel even if President Biden is okay on this other democrats may not be. You care about both sides of the issue, Police Reform, which is what progressives are mostly focused on, but you see the impact of high crime in the communities. So how do you think the White House and Democratic Party at large have they been able to enact this Balancing Act . I think they have began to navigate it. I think a lot of people have lost the critical Core Problem and that is who defines what is a progressive in what community. You must remember that it was in South Carolina that Joe Biden, with Jim Clyburns support, defeated Bernie Sanders and so many other. So in so many communities they depend on black and brown communities, depended on the vote to save them in congress and 50 50 in the senate. The deaf in addition of what is progressive is not the same. So it is not progressive for people dealing with an Up Tick on Gun Violence to say we want to take all the money away from police or from programs in those cities. I think theres been a hijacking by some that have identified themselves as progressive from those that have had a long record of trying to deal with issues like Police Reform and voting reform. You have to remember, everyone brought up the New York primaries that just was over. We had two or three at most socalled progressive candidates. 70 of the democrats voted for who were considered the moderates in liberal New York. So i think that people are reading their own tweets rather than reading the community. All right. Were now getting a closer look at the evidence new York Prosecutors allegedly have against the Trump Organization. In documents filed in the new York Supreme Court last week, the state claimed that the Trump Organization has spent years paying its cfo, Allen Weisselberg, off the books. Payments allegedly included cars, an apartment, cash, and even Tuition Payments all hidden from Income Tax authorities. The indictment alleges the Trump Organization was keeping internal Spread Sheets that tallied the payments that were being hidden. Prosecutors treated the Spread Sheets as the Accounting Equivalent of a confession. Prosecutors estimate weisselberg alone avoided paying more than 900,000 in taxes and have been pushing him to operate with the investigation. At his rally in sarasota, florida over the weekend. The former president railed against the indictment and some say may have incriminated his company in the process. They go after good, hardworking people for not paying taxes on a company car. Company car. You didnt pay taxes on the car, or a company apartment. You used an apartment because you need an apartment and didnt pay Tax Or Education for your grandchildren. I dont even know, do you have to does anybody know the answer to that stuff . Okay. But they indict people for that. Think of how unfair it is. Never before has new York City and their prosecutors, or perhaps any prosecutors, criminally charged a Company Or Person for Fringe Benefits. Murder is okay. Human trafficking no problem. But Fringe Benefits you cant do that. You cant, actually say its one of the dumber things youve ever heard him say but i can bring in dave aaronburg. Dave, this guy who claims to be a business genius, you have to pay taxes on apartments . Whoever knew you had to pay taxes on cars and apartments . You know who did . They did because they had two Spread Sheets. They were keeping two sets of books according to the charges and the information. It seems they knew all too well the ramifications of not paying almost 1 Million in taxes on those benefits. Good morning, joe. You got it. That sound you hear is the sound of the Trump Bus rolling over Allen Weisselberg at that rally. I do take it as admissions theyre going to hurt Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization and could come back to be used against trump himself if hes ever charged in this matter. What you saw was a preview of his future defense, if hes ever charged, which is what i call the sergeant schultz defense, you remember the character, i know nothing he used to say. We see that defense all the time here when it comes to White Collar broad cases. The defense could help trump but Allen Weisselberg cant use it, he has a level of sophistication, experience, knowledge, that makes that defense inapplicable. Plus Theres Evidence of criminal intent here like the allegation of two separate sets of Books One for the irs and one internally that kept account of the hidden benefits that weisselberg got so when he said he never received a raise between 2011, 2018, it was done under the table according to prosecutors and subsidized by taxpayers. They kept meticulous books according to the prosecutors. So im wondering what charges or what what liability does Allen Weisselberg face . How serious could this be for him and whats the likelihood that Hell Flip so he spares himself Prison Time . Joe, i think hes in the range of five years in prison. Remember, Leona Helmsly had something like this. When trump said no one has been prosecuted like this, New York prosecuted Leona Helmsly and then the feds took its over, and she got four years. For weisselberg now hes facing Prison Time here, as to the question of whether he will flip, i think its kill or be killed time here. If youre wondering whether Hell Flip before or after trump points the finger at him, its happening. The longer weisselberg waits to flip on trump, the worse Deal Hell get, and he has to watch and wonder if barry, his son, who may also be implicated in the scheme, allegedly received free housing and didnt pay taxes on it, whether hell be indicted next so prosecutors have other arrows in their quiver. I think flipping is inevitable for Allen Weisselberg. I think it comes on the day that he fears prosecutors and prison more than he fears Donald Trump. Lets move quickly to surfside weve been all following that tragedy closely. Based on what you learned the past week, the design defect, based on other things that are being revealed a week after that tragedy, whats your view on the liability of those who ran the condo, who built the condo . I think there will be a lot more civil lawsuits that have been filed and theyll be certified into a class action. The standard for negligence is to prove preponderance of the evidence that there was a duty of care here and its not a high duty to reach. Compare that to criminal prosecution, which requires proof beyond any reasonable doubt. And to get higher to culpable negligence, its higher than gross negligence, you have to act so recklessly, its the guy who shoots into the air at a new Years Eve Party and kills someone, thats the recklessness you need. But theres a Grand Jury that will be empanelled, they can subpoena records, testimony, well know if this civil liability rises to the level of criminal liability. Were just not there yet. Dave aaronburg, thank you so much. Kasie hunt i want to turn back to something we talked about earlier this morning with Michael Beschloss that was as sy despite the fact that the economy is growing in some areas faster than in a generation, you have covid receding, america reopening for business, moving up on a significant bipartisan deal, and yet were still divided. Were not seeing movement right now, Joe Biden 50 approval rating, 42 disapproval rating. How are republicans and democrats looking at this reality as they move towards possible closure on this bipartisan deal . Is the deal going to happen . How do they think its going to impact the election next year . Joe i think it shows and underscores that there are fewer and fewer people open to Persuasion Or Convincing in our politics and that does drive a lot of what happens on capitol , its going to help us to demonstrate that were able to do something to convince people to get out to the polls, shows you we have some basic things in common still and we all still need some of the same things, but i think the biggest risk to the deal is exactly what you outlined here, which is that at the end of the day, people no longer necessarily view or at least a lot of the most partisan people no longer view bipartisan cooperation as a plus. That used to be something almost every candidate ran on. I think Joe Biden showed everyone at the middle of the electorate, t are looking for something like that. But in an area where people are concerned about primaries, and where energizing your base to get out the door to vote is a criminal part of the game thats a disincentive to work with people and why they embraced the former president so aggressively. I think the Democratic Party is different. Theyre in a different scenario and Joe Biden has clearly demonstrated that he understands that. There was another times piece that looked back at why he won in 2020, it was gains with married men and veterans, more conservative households. I think he gets that and a lot of the house races are going to depend on those things. Thats one of the ways where democrats i think have to be more careful if they want to try to hold onto the house. By the way, that times piece i tweeted early this morning, times piece on why Joe Biden won, it was a Deep Dive from i think earlier this week or last week, Deep Dive, a research poll, and showed as kasie said that biden didnt do as well as hillary on a lot of traditional democratic groups, progressive groups, but did very well, made big gains among men and among veterans and homes of veterans. And that really made the difference in him winning the election. Alexi, im curious, what are you hearing from the progressive side as we talk about the infrastructure deal, how far are they going to be willing to move in Joe Manchins Direction to get a deal . Not far in Joe Manchins Direction, thats for sure. But we have seen progressives staging climate rallies outside of the White House and refocussing the Infrastructure Discussion to include Climate Change and ways in p which the Infrastructure Package or their complimentary package could address the issues that the progressives are fighting for. They were holding this kind of rally, protest, Demonstration Outside of the White House last week. This is an issue theyve been pushing President Biden on. One they dont think hes been moving as far to the left in their direction as they would want. So thats where we should watch progressives moving this Infrastructure Discussion around Climate Change, policies, not so much bridges, roads, things like that. So, Curt Bardella with the information that democrats have gotten from the 2020 election and the growing realization in most of these studies that defund the police, that phrase and also socialism, especially in hispanic communities but also in many other communities, really moved people towards republicans on the house, senate, and president ial level. Knowing thats what they did in 2020, knowing that it had an impact with large chunk of the electorate and knowing thats the onetwo punch coming in 2022. Youre advising the d triple c, what would you suggest they do to push back on those two arguments . Well, i think first of all we need to stop allowing republicans to kind of set the premises for some of these things. The idea that the Republican Party is in any position to talk about Law And Order given their position on January 6th, given their position in votes they have taken that have actually defunded the police. Given their position in not supporting the men and women who wear uniform who defended our capitol during a domestic terrorist attack, given the position they want everybody to have guns which results in more crimes, theyre in no position to have any moral high ground when it comes to rising crime, Violence And Mayhem in our society and democrats need to do a better job communicating that and not giving republicans the rhetorical edge and claiming to be theyre something theyre not. And assuming we get infrastructure done we discuss how what were fighting for affect people on a daytoday level. Climate change, how it affects your healthcare, your air, water quality. Extreme Climate Events that were having now, theyre ulconnected. We need better infrastructure, tools at our disposal so when events happen in real time Theres Something there people could rebuild their lives on and help mitigate the risks and consequences of these eventuallies. A lot of things arent going to go away. Theyre going to get worse as inaction continues to washington. More than anything people want their political parties, elected representatives, to show theyre fighting for them every day. One thing Donald Trump did well in the 2016 campaign was create this perception, it is a perception, its not real, this idea hes fighting for the work man, people who feel like theyre left behind in washington. Thats very real. For a long time weve seen the american people feel like Washington Isnt for them. Trump and the republicans have done a good job of tapping into that, Weapon Nuysing that. Democrats need to show those are not peoples friends, those policies that the republicans champion hurt people, the very real things that affect people on a real level, the Republican Party stands against. Democrats have to hammer that Message Home to connect the dots from whats going on in washington to peoples real daytoday lives. Curt and alexi, thank you both for being on this morning. And for more on this lets bring in democratic congresswoman Chrissy Houlahan of pennsylvania. I thought mr. Bardellas comments are spot on. As democrats we need to reject the republican narrative that democrats arent for Law And Order and arent strong on these issues. The very agenda, the very advocacies that were putting on things like education, things like infrastructure, gun safety, climate safety, Mental Health, the american Rescue Plan all of those kinds of things are absolutely demonstrating to the american people who is for them. I also agree that the republican agenda demonstrates that the republican agenda is not for them. The question about infrastructure, im hopeful well have an opportunity certainly to pass the bipartisan Infrastructure Package. Im a member of the Problem Sol Vers Caucus In The House making that a reality. But im equally hopeful about a second package to address the issues were talking about, the other part of infrastructure. If you have a Road Or Bus and have work you still need a baby sitter. And those kinds of things are also infrastructure. Kasie . Congresswoman, its kasie hunt. Its lovely to see you this morning. We were just talking a little bit about a piece in the New York times this morning that says even though were in this period of incredible change, the coronavirus going behind us, the former president s companies just indicted, all of these things, nothing is changing about the fundamentals of where people stand that were still a closely divided country and even the big headlines dont sway people one way or the other. What is your experience on the ground when you go home to pennsylvania voters, historically the philadelphia suburbs have been a swingy area but the state does represent this divide we have. Why do you think it is that people are still so divided and what are democrats going to try to do to break through as we head towards the Midterm Elections . Its nice to see you, too. I will say this worries me too. Its one of the reasons why i think the Biden Nomination and candidacy, resonated with people, just like people in pennsylvania is that were looking for our government to represent us. Were looking for our representatives to have Civility And Decency as one of their Agenda Items. I think the biden administration brings that to us. I think when im home in my community one of the things we talk about all the time is the importance of civility and unifying people. I have been advocating for a national Service Program for that reason. I think its important we find Each Other and see Each Other and recognize we have so much more in common than we do differently. I get frustrated as a relatively new member of congress with a die visty. The american people want their government to get along and Function And Work for them. Good morning, its Jonathan Lemire. We were talking today about the idea of crime and how republicans were using this as a dee divisive issues. Theyre saying crime is up in places like big cities and painting that imagery of crime moving to the suburbs that you represent. Is this something youre hearing about . Is this a major concern for the people you represent . How front of mind is crime right now as we move into the summer months where a lot of experts, including the White House, fear there may be the traditional surge in violence . We should all take crime seriously and our rising crime seriously and we should all be thinking about what we can be doing to address that crime. As you mentioned earlier in your conversation, in the last four or five months i voted to help and support the police, and republicans as was mentioned earlier have not. I think thats significant but also as significant is the approach to democratic crime in general. Its the whole of crime approach. Its not just the actual crime itself its whats underlying those crimes and those are issues we should be addressing with our agenda as well. Whether its Safety Nets and whether we can provide the same education to all of our children and providing mental Health Support because many times thats a cause of crime as well. Gun safety is another Agenda Item of ours. So i believe the democratic response is a more holistic Response And Something that resonates with my community. Thank you very much for being on this morning. Chrissy has a new oped for Usa Today entitled people are watching. Attacks on milley and the u. S. Military play right into enemy hands. Can you read that online. We thank general milley, again, we thank him for his leadership, the fact that he served this country proudly over four decades in iraq, in afghanistan, and when he made a mistake on june the 1st, he went before all of the troops and apologized. 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My god, a look at england fans reacting to the goal that put them up 20 against ukraine in the quarter finals. Joining us now, cohost of Men In Blazers roger bennett. He is also author of the new book reborn in the usa. Such a moving book. We heard so many people reach out and talk about how moving the segment was last week having roger on here. And roger, i have to say also, many people from britain saying Thank God you moved to america. The Bennett Curse coming to an end. And half a century of heartbreak, maybe at their back like a cold brisk North Wind coming off of the north sea. It cant be a coincidence now that ive left. The quarterquarterfinals this w. England the new York Knicks of football. The fourth minute, a goal for the real prince harry. It should be forged in bronze, and just before halftime this national feed the dream got even bet tore another harry. Were going to see it again. Look at this little tumble, juke, we were invaded by the normans. That is another harry. Harry mcguire. Known across england for his enormous slap. That man is to goals what Joey Chestnut is to Hot Dogs. 55 years of never stopping dreaming and the beauty of the success on The Field is the unity it is creating after it. I have to say, england, after this 15 or 16 months of lock down, they really needed this joy. Yes, of course, many Call Mcguire very courageous. You said he has a slap for a forehead. But i have to ask you youre all red, white, and blue and you turned your back on eng lapd. You had to have been excited watching the game. I roll with Team America now, but becoming world betters, it put homes address into the gps. In the other semifinal lets look at a glorious story. Denmark took on the czech republic. Christian ericson had a Cardiac Arrest in game. They survived the worst that live could throw at them. Here they played the Check Republic and they won. From devastation to glory. Near death to life. Defeat to semifinal. Its why sports is the greatest human theaters. They will face london on wednesday. And the other side, lets talk about the floppers extraordinary, italy is back. One of their players acted as if he had been shot in the back of the head and then fell and was not moving and then suddenly italy scores and he jumps up and races to celebrate. They believe in the resurrection. They didnt make the cup in 2018. They got that goal straight out of spaisx. More fans like to be declothed by their fans and left in their under pants. Who do you like . The tiny bit of englishman left in me says not england, but everybody has left lockdown ready to party and have a party. Nobody is more drunk than euro 2020. Thank you, roger. His new book is reborn in the usa. A englishmans love letter to his chosen home. Anthony fauci is worried that the disparities could lead to Two Americas. O Two Americas replace old pipes . I can do that. Install energyefficient windows . I can do that. Build an electric car . 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From prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less theyll miss. But even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. Although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. Now as youre thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. Today we see the results of the unity and purpose. Today were beating the progress. Together we will rescue our people from division in despair, but together we must do it. Over the past year we lived through some of our darkest days. Now i truly believe, i give you my word, i truly believe were about to see our brightest future. President biden leads the nation in a 4th Of July celebration. Touting it as a day when were nearing independence pandemic. As the Delta Variant spreads across the country is Vaccine Hesitancy creating Two Americas . Plus the latest from florida has the part of the Surfside Condo that was left standing has been demolished ahead of a tropical storm. What it means for the families still looking for answers. Good Morning And Welcome to Morning Joe. It is monday, july 5th. We hope you all had a great 4th Of July. Well start with President Biden marking the celebration on the South Lawn of the White House. He spoke about the Nations Progress against covid19. This year the 4th Of July is a day of special celebration. For were emerging from the darkness of years the year of pandemic and isolation. The year of pain, fear, and heartbreaking loss. Just think back to where this nation was a year ago. Think back to where you were a year ago. And think about how far we have come from Silent Streets, Silent Streets, to crowded parade routes lined with people waving american flags. Fans in the seats of stadiums cheering together. Families with hands against a window to grandparents hugging grandchildren once again. Were back to seeing one another again. Were traveling again, businesses are hiring again. Were seeing Record Job Creation and record economic growth. The best in four decades and i might add the best in the world. Michael beshlov, you listen to the president s speech and you line up the facts in is in some ways the hottest economies since the Morning In America in 1984. We have record job openings. We have more jobs than we have people to fill them right now. Were on the backside of the pandemic. America has beaten the world in getting most of its people vaccinated, and were still a 50 50 nation, or as alex said a 53 47 nation. Do you suspect that we will divided this way for quite some time . I think we will. You look back in history and we sure were divided. But when before have we had a situation where at a time of medical emergency there was this kind of a partisan division between those that wanted to get vaccinated and those that did not. Polio started in 1955 and you didnt see that. In the Influenza Pandemic there was a few fringe groups, but this was not a political thing. And so were living in a country where even something like public health, which is normal times is almost above partisan division becomes one more casualty to Civil War. I wonder when a leader comes along in the republican or the Democratic Party that by force of will moves us beyond this. Im talking political will like reagan did in 1980. He changed everything. Like Barack Obama did in 2008. That was supposed to be the beginning of a new era. Trump 2016. Its a bad for the most Part Isnt that how american history is moved along out of these stubborn sort of retrenchments . Youre right, they essentially said this is getting crazy and dangerous, lets change it. The republicans were a largely isolationists party. He said this is a real threat from the soviets in europe. He began to say to other republicans we have to make deals with harry true man so we have things like nato so we can deal with these threats of the soviet army. Possibly over Western Europe, which we want to stop. That is something we usually have. The other problem is that in a time like this with this pandemic seeming to have almost up to 70 has not quite gotten there yet, americans also have a habit through history when we have been through a terrible experience we want to forget really quickly. For instance, one of the reasons why the roaring 20s Were Roaring is because people wanted to forget the enormous Death Toll of World War i. 105,000 people. The Death Toll of the Influenza Pandemic, 126,000. They want today forget. It would have been hard for a president to say things like we need a vaccine and masks. After the korean war, people almost forgot it happened. The same with the vietnam war. So for biden its a real problem for leadership, you have to say lets keep getting vaccinated. The threat is still here. There might be a variant that might be very dangerous, particularly after labor day, but at the same time we have a terrific Economy And America is certainly back and better than it was a year ago for all sorts of reasons. Give us your thoughts on what president s speech was yesterday and what the first six months of the Biden Presidency suggests for whats ahead. I think we have been very lucky to have this. He would be very tempted to say yes, the economy is wonderful like he said yes. The pandemic is better which he did say, but another less seasoned political leader might say everything is great, everyone relax. The tough thing for a lead is to do both of those things. He knows if there is a downturn of the economy that can always happy. Terrible inflation might happen. You might have a variant that makes it look less bright than it does in july of 2021. Next year he has to run a Midterm Election. Every republican commercial will put those words up saying he was too optimistic. We let down our guard. Thank you so much for being with us and happy 4th Of July weekend. 4th and 5th. Exactly. Happy 4th Of July observed. To michaels point, last night President Biden warned that the Covid Variants are still dangerous and urged americans to get vaccinated. Dont get me wrong, covid has not been vanquished. But the best defense is to get vaccinated. Its the most patriotic thing we can do, so please if you have not gotten vaccinated, do it, do it now. For yourself, for your Loved Ones, for your community, and for your country. All right, the nation fell just short of the president s goal of getting 70 of american adults vaccinated by the 4th Of July. More than 172 Million adults have been vaccinated. That is about 67 . Meanwhile, Polling Shows that President Biden is earning high marks for his handling of the pandemic. In a new poll, 62 of americans said they approve of the president s performance, but while the majority of democrats and independents gave him good grades. 60 of republicans say they disapproved of his pandemic response. 69 of all respondants said they had been vaccinated. On meet the Press Dr. Anthony fauci was asked about the highly contagious Delta Variant and issued a warning about regional disparities in Vaccination Rates. Those areas of america that are highly vaccinated and a low level of dynamics in infection. And in some areas a level of Fax Nation is low and the level of dissemination is high. Some are expressing concern with Vaccine Hesitancy in their states. West virginias jim justice, and Spencer Cox all implored residents to get vaccinated yesterday. Joe, explain what these governors, talk about what theyre doing. These are states where folks just dont want to give in on their Vaccine Hesitancy. They are states that are stronger republican states. You can actually see how america is divided. If there are lower vaccine rates, chances are good that they are more likely to vet for republicans and to be skeptical. The Vaccination Rates were low there, and theyre doing it there. They want their people to be healthy. But also they want their states to be Open For Business. Thats right. This is soon going to be an economic going to cause economic disparity. Youre a business, and you have a chance to move into a lowTax State. Where Vaccination Rates are higher. Or a state where Vaccination Rates are lower. Youre going to move your company where rates are higher. It will be harder to get the best and the brightest workers to come to a state that is lagging way behind in Vaccination Rates. 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This was a reversal from the mayor and other Officials Stance that they would not risk this building Coming Down potentially making this Rescue Operation even harder on top of the rubble. But the reality is that there is a major tropical storm arriving as early as this morning. Raingusts and rain. And the last thing they wanted was that building going down in a direction in the streets or in a building next door or on to that pile of rubble. There are still 121 individuals unaccounted for. You saw from the images of that video overnight this was a success. This was a success. This was 11 days after the collapse. In that video, within minutes the Rescue Crews were going right back to the scene, essentially going back into that debris and that dust to begin this Rescue Mission again. This is still a Rescue Mission at this time. Folks and families are holding out hope there is a chance that the Loved Ones that are missing will stillfi. 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Me and you listening to the rain me and you we are the same me and you have all the fame we need indeed, you and me are we me and you singing in the park me and you, were waiting for the dark top republican on the house Affairs Committee is slammed President Biden for his decision to withdrawal all u. S. Troops from afghanistan saying the president will be responsible for the actions of the taliban. Were going dark in afghanistan and there will be consequences long term to this. When we fully withdrawal, the devastation and the killing, the humanitarian crisis, President Biden is going to own these ugly images. I wonder if the chairman said the same thing when Donald Trump kept pushing to get us out of afghanistan. Maybe he did, maybe he said the same thing when Donald Trump decided he would booked our kurd ish alleys by taking troops and yanked them out of syria. When we actually had american troops that were pushing back on isis. We had american troops pushing back on the iranians. We had american troops pushing back on the russians, and we had american troops pushing back on the turks. Donald trump yanked them out. I think that was a mistake. I think getting everyone out of afghanistan is a mistake. Im wondering if the chairman was that aggressive when Donald Trump was making, what i believe, those terrible tactical decisions. These are important debates, but the hypocrisy is ridiculous. Meanwhile the top u. S. General in afghanistan is warning of a possibility of a Civil War in the region. You look at the Security Situation and its not good. The afghans recognize that it is not good. Lets bring in richard haas. People may be tired of afghanistan. And yet, people were tired of americans being in iraq and we had to send troops back to iraq after isis created havoc and the humanitarian crisis they created there. Do you fear the same thing may happen in afghanistan . I would be surprised, joe, if we send any significant amount of troops back. I can imagine us sending them in for a specific counter terrorism mission, but i think the lesson here, is, just because we overreached in afghanistan doesnt make the argument for under reaching. Things are going badly faster than i thought. The fact that the taliban are making inroads in the north at a not normal pace is a bad development. I think that this is a rare example of bipartisanship. I think both of us have gotten it wrong. A small level of american troops seem to be keeping the lid on. We have not had a combat. I think this is a strategic goal. Now moving to china. Chinas president Xi Jinping recently marked the 100th Anniversary of the communist party in china with a warning. In a speech in front of 70,000, xi praised The Partys successes saying china wanted to promote peace in the world but he quickly warned that the country would no longer listen to preaching he pledged to expand chinas military and influence. Joe . You know, richard, there has been a belief for a long time that china was inward looking. It wanted to protect the middle kingdom. It was not going to be like the soviets in 1917. Any reason to reassess that beyond the South China seas. Do you see china as a country that has designs on other parts of the world. I would not say they have military designs. I think the real question is not just the South China sea, but the areas in close. Theyre border with india. The islands they dispute with japan. The question of whether or not they may be willing to use Military Force to take taiwan and reunify china. I think their tools are more economic, more diplomatic. Belt and road initiatives, building infrastructure and the like. But The Real Thing is what we call in the case of russia, theyre a fraud. They dont consider themselves a fraud. They are talking about what the work is that remains to be done. The good news i would say in the speech is that he did not lay out a time table, and he talked about, in aas that taiwan not declare independence. So as Must Collar as what a lot of the speech was, it didnt set new worry some language out there on taiwan. Coming up, is there a bias against fathers when it comes to the par of the legal system that deals with families and children after divorce . Our next guest is a Hollywood Actor using his own personal story to call for reform. That discussion is straight ahead on Morning Joe. Straigh ahead on Morning Joe. [ ] if you have diabetes, its important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. Try boost glucose control. Its clinically shown to help manage Blood Sugar levels and contains high Quality Protein to help manage Hunger And Support muscle health. Try boost today. Oh are you using liberty Mutuals Coverage Customizer tool . So you only pay for what you need. Sorry . Limu, youre an animal only pay for what you need. 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After an american sprinter was suspended for a month for using marijuana that she used to deal with the death of her buy logical mother. I was blinded by emotions, and that, and just hurting. Crying and hurting. In an exclusive interview, richardson apologized for letting down fans and coaches. I still made that decision. President biden weighing in. I was really proud of her. Her dream might not be over. Her team says theyre focusing, instead, on her Mental Health. Her agent saying we have not focused on the relay. I dont want her hopes to be dashed. It sparked a conversation about the humanity of elite athletes. Kansas City Quarterback Patrick mahomes tweeting this is so trash. Michael phelps struggling with Mental Health for years, and Naomi Osaka refusing to give a Press Conference because of anxiety. She paid a 15,000 price. We expect them to be super human in their athletic ability and extraordinary in other elements of their life, but the pressure and the toll can be extraordinary as well. A call to reform sports to make psychology a part of success. Our thanks to Matt Bradley for that report. Reverend al, i wanted your take on this. There are so many mixed messages and different laws. Its not a performance enhancing drug, and i dont know, im conflicted about it. I was curious to hear what you thought about this and what you think should be done. First, i think that we should give ms. Richardson credit for coming forward saying i did it, and she apologized to her fans. I respect that. And i think even the president saying her response is good. I think it really opening up several conversations. Clearly there needs to be a conversation about how we make athletes become something less than normal in dealing with the Mental Health questions. This young lady faced the news of her biological mothers death. There will be a reaction to that. Are we supposed to assume theyre not going to react to the death of their mother. The other is how do we decriminalize marijuana in society. And not expect that that is going to be looked upon in the world of athletics when it is not, as you said, a life enhancing drug. I think at least we ought to have a revisiting of what the rules are, and what are the rules based on. If it has nothing to do with performance why is the rule there. If it is no longer in society, why are we acting like athletes are no longer regular citizens that have the legal right to do something as long as it doesnt impact one way or another their ability to do the sport. Now to our next guest who is an actor calling for a big part of the legal system to be reformed. He is talking about Family Law. Greg ellis joins us now. He is author of the respondent. Exposing the cartel of Family Law. He reveals his own story. What he believe social Security Bias against fathers. Greg, tell us what your goal was with this book. Whats the message . Well, thank you for having me. In the respondent my life changed in 2015 in the span of 24 hours. I was ushered from my home in handcuffs at the behest of my exwife. I became homeless, nearly destitute, and my professional reputation was ruined, and my without a father. We have an archaic and inhumane divorce system. Thousand one in three children in their their country. The u. S. Has the highest rate of children in single parent families and households. So what i found was this american Divorce Industry that is incentiized to keep the system the way it is. And one branch of our legal system that does afford you process. And i found that to be staggering. Think about that, rrapists, murders, pedophiles, have the presumption of innocence, but thats not thousand is in the divorce system. If you talk about this cartel, as you described it, there are many good lawyers out there. It is a difficult framework in which to deal with such difficult personal problems that revolve around children. The outlook and the outcome for children and lawyers are often built to fight. Yeah, look, attorneys and lawyers are trained to make arguments of when two people have a disagreement and can no longer get along. We, our system, brings in two representatives to argue on their behalf. And the system doesnt offer the presumption of innocent. That is one change. Another is 50 50 shared parenting. Arkansas passed a new law for 50 50 baseline resumption. So that means if there is accramony and back to the presumption of innocence in Family Law. If one parent feels they have deserve more custodial time, they have to prove that. Right now the burden of proof is on the accused. But this is salem witch trials and spanish inquisitions. The other thing that im looking for as well, and i this in my book, and we want to protect the most vulnerable among us. Our children, future generations, and how do we do that . We need a solutions oriented approach. We need better training of judges and people in the system. How important is it to also have a burden of presumption for mediation. States passing laws saying dont even think about getting into a hostile back and forth. Were going to force you to go to mediation. Were going to force you to do alternative dispute resolution. And the first temperature is not getting an attorney that will immediately do everything they can to destroy the other Side Weather it is destroying the mother or the father because as you say, it is the child who is a loser in the end once they square off and start fighting. As an attorney i met a lot of humane attorneys that worry first about children, but the system is set up to spark the fight to build the file, to get as many billable hours as possible. How do we reverse that . That is a great question, joe. It is very difficult. To your point, some attorneys mean well and theyre ethical in the system. And both sets of parents and partners can want to approach this more positive solutions based oriented approach. But the system is not set up for that. It is nearly a 60 Billion a year industry. And they are needlessly adversarial. The unwitting participants from most of the time, Family Law justice is not neutral. And the powers are shielded by judicial immunity and no one is held accountable. And to your point about mediation, that is a really good point, that is a good first step to get into mediation before we get into a legal battle, if you will. The challenge with that, of course, is many of the mediators are working in the court system. Are friendly with the attorneys or the judges. I did two days of mediation that it was 31,000. They were friends with the attorneys, they all went to aa meetings together. It was a debacle. So it is what i am moving to do is the children and parents united group. We have three cost effective solutions to that. Up with of those is cpu law. Which is to assist cpu mediation. The solutions oriented intervention experts that help resolve problems outside of the system, and the attorneys that work outside of the system with the mediators. To empower people to draw up their own Divorce Settlement agreements and keep out of the horrible system and keep families and by the fact of children out of our courtrooms. They have no place being in Family Flaw it doesnt provide the presumption of innocence to people. What i hear from your book it raises situations that are brought to me all of the time where you dont have the father in the home. Nanny many ways, its because of the legal proceedings and barriers that really prevent the father from being in the home, particularly in some communities, low income communities and communities of color. How would that also great that address that when you a father prevented from not being there or relating to his children if thats what he chose to do because of the barriers set up. In many cases men say it is stacked against them to have a relationship because of the way the structure is set up legally. Yeah, you bring up a great point, reverend al. It comes down to daddeprived children. Particularly daddeprived boys. We have a crisis of fatherlessness. U. S. Is the World Leader of children growing up in single parent families. I think the improvement of our family wills have an exponential improvement. Our Teenager Youth getting into drugs, dropping out of education, and teen pregnancy. We dont really believe the statistics. And we encourage that we are more think if we are more encouraging of young fathers, old fathers, just men in general. Weve had such a conversation recently, weve had this me too monologue, and i think we need a dialogue. Its okay to have a part of that organization, open it up and this will at the time people in impoverished areas that are really struggling, you know, our mothers need the support of fathers for particularly our children. And we should be encouraging the father to stay in the home and help. In your book, you also talk about a few other contentious divorces that others have been through. Can you walk us through what is included in the book and what you learned from those stories as well . Sure. The book is part med warrior, part manifestation, and a portrait. Hopefully its an indispensable read, but all and everyone interested in learning about the unrelenting brutality of family lea. Law. This system is incentivized to break up a family, and i think the breakdown of family is the biggest threat we are facing in our system. Its incentivized for the attorneys to keep churning the acrimony. We need to be encouraging the family unit, not breaking it now. With more than a third of children living absent without their absent father children absent their biological father are more likely to uses drugs, experience drugs, twice as likely to drop out of hiss, and much more likely to live in poverty, and seven tiles more likely to become pregnant as teens. Im encouraging a dialogue in the book through my story, what happened to me, what happens to thousands of fathers, and mothers. It happens to mothers too. Recently i spoke to a nurse in pennsylvania, who, you know, she falsely accused of child abuse. She lost her children, all based on a false allegation. This isnt a Leftright Issue or a fathermother issue. This is an issue to protect our most vulnerable in our society. The new book is called the respondent. Thank you. Up next, Pope Francis is said to be alert after an invasive surgery. Well talk about that next on Morning Joe. Surgery well talk about that next on Morning Joe. 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Pope francis suffers from diverticulitis. The Oakland Sood is now vaccinating several animals. None of the oakland animals have tested positive, zoo officials want to reduce the risk of spreading the virus. Final thoughts now. Well start with reverend al, final thoughts this morning . I hope that we continue this discussion on not dealing with police in terms of how we deal with Gun Violence, and as a way that is a wedge against our coming together. We continue to deal with Police Reform at the same time. Im on my way to arkansas for a eulogy of an unarmed white young man who was killed. Im joining attorney Ben Crump there. I think standing with police, but Police Reform as a contraction, i think its not a black and white issue, but a rightandwrong issue. Kasie . Just how much a threat it is to our country as we confront the rise of china, have to deal with so many other challenges, our adver sears are seeing that as something they can sxloint. Jonathan . We talked about the new York City mayors race, but we should learn more tomorrow. Theres 125,000 absentee votes coming in, a far bigger number than the margin right now. We should get preliminary and a much clearer picture, and with the token republican opposition, likely the next mayor. Mika, final thoughts . On this fourth of july, or fifth, i love this country. I think of my parents who cake from this country from Poland And Czechoslovakia under very different circumstances. I salute and thank them for coming here. On this fourth of July Holiday observed, i align myself with Jim Clyburn who doesnt Say America may be a great country one day, he says america is a great country. I believe america is a great country, and it is really should be the goal of all of us to expand the dream and the opportunity to all americans. That does it for us this morning. Yasmin vossoughian picks up the coverage right now. Good morning, everybody. I