Into a coasttocoast lifesaving vaccine in record time in history. Unbelievably amazing vaccine for the first time. Millions still refusing to be vaccinated. And a new variant hitting the u. S. This morning we look at a comeback for covid. The challenge is ahead. Welcome to sunday and a Special Edition of Meet The Press. From Nbc News in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is a Special Edition of Meet The Press with chuck todd. Its Sunday Morning and happy Fourth Of July. Just as we read about the influence in 2018 and 2019, A Hundred years from now it is likely people will read about the 2020 covid pandemic. Without question, things have improved with the number of cases dropping since january. Still, since the month of june, some 607,000 americans have died from covid, including 9,000 in june. At one point the u. S. Was doing so badly that though we have only 4 of the worlds population, it accounted for nearly 20 of the worlds deaths. Since then we have gone from being the leading example of industrialized countries of how not to handle a pandemic to a nation tentatively declaring its independence of the virus. This morning were going to look back to where weve been and look forward to the challenges ahead as the growing Variant And Vaccine hesitancy pose a threat to our own recovery here. Well be asking, what could we have done better . What have we learned . Why do some people get perilously ill while others remain asymptomatic, and finally, how prepared are we for when not if but sadly when the next pandemic hits us . The mystery virus. A jump in cases of a deadly mystery virus. Authorities confirm it is being spread from Human To human. More than 17 months after the first case of covid was identified in the united states, were getting hit personally. She just kept saying, im trying, im trying. And i cant breathe. Taking a deadly toll on the nation. Christmas will not be the same, nor any other holiday because my mom is no longer here. Now, after grief, trauma, Isolation And Anxiety and an unparalleled scientific breakthrough, america is reopening. Unbelievaby amazing to go to a concert for the first time. How does this compare to six months ago . Unbelievable. Were back at capacity as far as traffic is concerned. Just 25 of americans say the pandemic is over. Lets celebrate the Fourth Of July with independence from the virus. We can get this done. Despite the lack of success in vaccinating a lot of americans, President Biden has fallen short of his goal. Our goal by July 4th is to have 70 of adult americans with at least one shot. The nation is still failing from trumps massive failure to respond to the pandemic. We have one person coming in from china and we have it under control. Were going down, not up. Its going to disappear. This Information Originating from the trump white house. This is going to go away without a vaccine. If the vaccine was so great, why are all the people lying about it . Its taken root, with vaccine hesitancies. There is a lot of disproportionately lagging behind. Those gains are not equally shared. 63 Million said it was difficult to cover their usual household expenses. 90 of people were not caught up on rent. Lowerincome students were disproportionately left behind and the pandemic has taken a toll on the nations industrial health. Now, as the u. S. Celebrates its overall vaccination success, anxiety is rising about new variants. A variant of the virus has been identified in 85 countries. And theres been confusion about mask wearing with the w. H. O. Recommending mask wearing indoors even for the vaccinated. The cdc disagrees. The Bottom Line is the cdc says if youre vaccinated, you dont have to wear a mask. Thats exactly right. Joining me now is dr. Anthony fauci, National Institute of allergies. Once again, thank you for being here. Thank you, chuck. Thank you for having me. Its disconcerting to realize we had nearly 10,000 people die from covid and the most recent was in june. How preventable was those deaths and how many were vaccinated . If you look at the number of deaths, about 99. 2 of them are unvaccinated, about 0. 8 are vaccinated. No vaccine is perfect, but when you talk about the Avoidability Of Hospitalization and deaths, chuck, its really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable. Obviously there are going to be some people in the availability of people and their response to vaccine that youll see some who are vaccinated and still get into trouble and hospitalized and die. The overwhelming disproportionate number of people dont get vaccinated, which is why we say this is very preventable. Theres always been an antivaccine 10 to 15 , but it isnt just the 10 to 15 , theres clearly been a political divide thats put over this. Have you discovered any new breakthroughs on how to break through this wall of hesitancy . Because, again, i wanted to lead with this question. I think every death right now is nearly preventable and yet were were knowingly watching us kill ourselves. Its terrible, chuck, particularly for those of us who have dealt with diseases in which you dont have an effect effective countermeasure, like a prevention. Over the decades ive been doing that, youre frustrated because you have diseases where you dont have an appropriate countermeasure, be it a prevention or treatment, and then when you have a situation like you have today where you have a formidable enemy in the virus that has tragically really disrupted our planet now for about a year and a half, destroyed economies have just disrupted us in every possible way. And yet we do have a countermeasure thats highly, highly effective. And thats the reason why its all the more sad and all the more tragic why it isnt being completely implemented in this country, and whatever the reasons, as you said, some of them are idealogic, some of them are antivax or antiscience or what have you, but we need to put that aside now. Were dealing with a historic situation with this pandemic. And we do have the tools to counter it. So for goodness sakes, put aside all those differences and realize the common enemy is the tool we have against this virus. We have enough vaccines to vaccinate essentially everybody in the country. And there are people throughout the world who would do anything to get a vaccine. If you look at the world situation, you know, 10 the world is vaccinated. We could vaccinate everybody if they would wind up saying that, lets just put everything aside and get vaccinated and put an end to this terrible tragedy. Lets talk about the delta variant. It is clearly the most transmissible Variant Weve dealt with yet. Is it more lethal and how concerned are you that it could cause another spike in this country . Well, a couple of answers to the questions, chuck. First of all, right now the experience that were seeing with this is that it is clearly more transmissible. It is more effective and efficient in its ability to transmit from Person To person. And studies that weve seen where there have been the variant thats dominated in other countries, its clear that it appears to be more lethal in the sense of more serious to allow you to get more serious to lead to hospitalization, and in some cases leading to deaths. That is clearly the issue. Now, with regard to your other question what was the other question, chuck . Im sorry. No, no, no, its how in danger are we in this variant creating a spike . Well, i think when you talk about how much of a danger it is to do a spike, i think you then have to look at the country as a whole and those areas of the country in which you have a low level of vaccination and a high level of viral dynamics. Thats the thing that gets confusing. As a nation as a whole, we are doing very well. We have more than 50 about 50 of the Adult Population thats fully vaccinated. We have now more than about 67 , 66 , 67 of the Adult Population thats at least one dose. The elderly have been vaccinated to the tune of 80 and the depths have gone down by that. Thats the country as a whole. But we have a big country. With disparity and a willingness to get vaccinated. Under those circumstances you might expect to see spikes in certain regions, in certain states, cities or counties. I dont think youll be seeing anything nationwide because, substantial proportion of the population vaccinated. So its going to be regional. Thats the thing that will be confusing when people look at what we do. Were going to see, and i said, almost two types of america. Those regions of america which are highly vaccinated, and we ever a low level of dynamics of infection, examine in some places, some states, some cities, some areas where the level of vaccination is low and a level of Virus Dissemination is high. Thats where youre going to see the spikes. Well, lets talk about a specific here. We know mississippi is one of the lowest i believe its the lowest has the lowest Vaccination Rate in the country. Youre in biloxi, mississippi right now, dr. Fauci. Would you be wearing a mask . Youre fully vaccinated. But would you be wearing a mask in biloxi, mississippi . I think there would be a good reason to do that. We said so often that vaccines are not nearly as good as they are and highly effective, nothing is 100 . If you put yourself into an environment in which you have a high level of viral dynamics and a very low level of vaccine, you might want to go the extra step and say when im in that area where there is a significant degree of viral circulation, i might want to go the extra mile to be cautious enough to make sure i get the extra added level of protection, even though the vaccines themselves are highly effective. Asymptomatic spread was the real killer of this virus, right . Its what made it so difficult at times when we first were dealing with it. Can a fully vaccinated person be an asymptomatic spreader of the virus, and more importantly, the scenario . I would have to say yes. If you look at the studies being done, we will get the answer to that because we are looking at situations where you have vaccinated people who have Breakthrough Infections. Namely, theyre infected despite the fact theyve been vaccinated. Most of these people will be without symptoms. If you look at the level of virus in their nasopharynx, it seems to be less than people who get infected and have asymptomatic infection. That would mean you can make a reasonable assumption that those individuals would be less likely to transmit the infection to someone else. Vaccinated person, Breakthrough Infection unlikely. But its not going to be zero, because whenever you have biological phenomena, there is always a range. But for the most part, it would be less likely. Lets say youre somebody who took the Johnson Johnson vaccine, and youve seen that the protection rate, particularly with the delta variant, may be lower, and you wish you had gotten the Pfizer Vaccine. Would you advise that Person To go ahead, if they feel more comfortable, getting the twodose Pfizer Vaccine on top of the J J vaccine, or are they risking some Health Problems for themselves by doing that . Well, chuck, then you get to the interesting, complicated issue of making a recommendation based on data and a Clinical Trial in which you have data versus making an assumption that some people would say its being done already, chuck. There are competent physicians and Health Care providers who are saying, you know, with the J J single dose, im not sure. Maybe we should get a boost. That can be done from a regulatory authority or a public Health Authority like the cdc respectively. What youre seeing is people are going ahead and making those decisions, and it really is a clinical judgment based on a feeling of, well, its unlikely going to be a problem to do that, but you cant get a formal recommendation when you dont have official data based on good science and good Clinical Trials. Ive asked you this before. Weve been under emergency authorization, and you said before we were close, and five years ago can be close if you think about it in scientific terms. By your birthday, do you expect to see these vaccines . I would hope so. One of the things that i think people need to understand, when you have an Emergency Use Authorization, its usually under the context of the benefit is worth more it clearly outdoes the risk. Whufr the vaccines like The Ones we have now, the hundreds of millions of people who have received it, the high degree of Effect Tyness in the real World Setting is very, very. Therefore, i would be astounded if we did not get full approval in the classical sense of these p. But this is a little bit different of a situation, in which youve had something giving you Emergency Use Authorization, and youre kind of waiting for a lot more data to convince you whether it works or not. Theres No Doubt when youre looking at these or, in this case, an Emergency Use Authorization in the minds fd so fravngly, how needless these deaths were in the monthly. We have the tools to prevent Death And Hospitalization for just about everybody. Yes, there is a slight Percentage Chance for some. When you look at the pandemic as a whole, how preventable were these 6,000 deaths . And how much did we essentially do ourselves in in 2020 . Chuck, i dont think i can quantitate that. This is a really bad actor, this virus, globally throughout the whole planet. Even if you have a perfect response, you were going to see suffering and you were going to see death. To be able to quantitate how much better we could have done, for someone who has been witnessing this and being part of it at least from the standpoint of being involved in the development of the vaccines with our group here at nih, that as a person who has watched it unfold, one thing i was struck with, if ever there was a situation where you had a pandemic that was as destructive as this, The One thing you would want to do is realize that youre dealing with a common enemy, the virus, and not have the kind of divisiveness that weve had in our country in trying to address this terrible enemy. Its been like, in many respects, fighting with each other instead of getting together putting all differences aside and realizing that the common enemy is the virus, not each other. Thats the thing that ive been impressed with. I cant give you a quantity of how many deaths would have been avoided if we didnt have that, but im certain there would have been some that were avoided and. You had two different bosses over the last year. Sometimes a support network, sometimes not. How have you been holding up . It certainly has not been easy, chuck. Im doing fine. I focus on my job. As the director of allergies and diseases, it made me determined to get to the science of the vaccines that we know now has saved millions and millions of lives. So to get the therapeutics is what we need to do, and well be doing all of that. To put the other noise aside, chuck, and it really is noise, i just focus on my job. When i focus on my job, im fine, but that other narrative makes it extremely difficult, but im pretty good at focusing on my job. Yes, you are, and its amazing what this governmentled effort did. Dr. Fauci, thank you as always. Thank you for having me, chuck. Joining me now is dr. Seth berkeley. Hes part of an Umbrella Group known as covax which is working on heating up the testing of vaccines throughout the world, particularly those countries with less means. In some Ways America is in its own bubble with its Vaccine Supply while you are trying to figure out how to vaccinate the world. How dire would you paint the situation globally . Obviously i wont be as global Add Dr. Fauci said it was. This started in china and very rapidly spread around the world. I think the challenge we started with is to remind people youre only safe if everyone is safe, because viruses will mutate and continue to move, and it. We saw a lot of vaccine nationalism. We now see, if you look at highincome countries, about 40 of the Population Rz in lowly. With the variant that dame out of india, the variant. This may not be the last variant. So what we need is a manically. Explain some of the hurdles, okay . Bafblgly you neefld. You need 8 Billion people to be vaccinated. What is the biggest Hurdle Standing in the way . Well, theres many. First of all, when we stafrtd this whole effort, we had no idea whether any of these vaccines would work or if we had a vaccine within 370 days. That is amazing. The previous record before that was four years. But we normally provide in terms of vaccines about 5 Million doses a year. So now what were. The number you mentioned is people, but, of course, most of the vaccines are two. This has been an unprecedented, in a sense, drive toward that, and weve been very proud to see the increase in supply. The process in india meant that they turned national with their programs, and that meant that there was less for the rest of the world. Of course, at the beginning, had Vook Seens been share, we could have likely gone p. We ultimately, of course, need to get there. Youre getting Vaccine Contributions from china, youre getting screen contributions, i think. The chinese vaccine is seen as not quite effective one of the vaccines. That vaccine is not good enough for some people, but how do you handle that situation . First of all, we didnt know Vaccines Work Work through a stringent pmplt at the moment, were not using the russian Vaccine But Ber using in our and thats what we started with as a priority because we realized we might need a diversity if it turned out some of the vaccines didnt work. Weve been lucky. Its not only that we did this. For example, the u. S. Government is part of Operation Warpspeed invested in a range of technologies. It turns out the Mrnas Work very well, the Johnson Johnson you already talked about. Whats happened now is there is X Amount of vaccines produced. Our number became 1. 5 Million to 2 million. We purchased about 3. 4 billion doses of vaccine. But if those countries are willing to make those vaccines available now, we can move those forward. For example, the u. S. Did its first donation with us to honduras last weekend. Dr. Seth berkeley, thank you for this. 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The panel is joining us. Audrey cornish, all things considered, kate snow, and adam grant. Hes an organizational Psychologist And Professor at university of Pennsylvania And Author of The Book think again colon the power of knowing what you dont know. A Poll Number from gallup, has life returned to prepandemic normal . Somewhat normal, 62 , not normal yet, 23 . How would you have answered that question . I think its pretty obvious that normal left us a long time ago. I heard you talking earlier about postcovid. There is no such thing as postcovid, especially when you listen to those global Vaccination Rates. While many americans are hesitant to take the vaccine, it is available to them. So now its a matter of how do we live with this going forward . How do you Approach Mitigation measures if and when necessary . And how do some of the industries which have been culturally disrupted as a Result Deal with that now . You saw a case of ridership. This is an open Air Event in attendance for the cleveland baseball team. Its basically down from more than a third on June 19 Prepandemic to the most recent month here. I think this is a clue that were not normal yet and maybe were not going to be. Two things that were not normal yet with is the stress, that americans are still afraid to go back to all the going to the office and school, even. I was looking at my stories in the past year, chuck, and look looking at all the mental aspects and physical aspects on people. More than half were less physically active. Two out of three western sleeping right. One in four of us drank more than we used to. I think right now were in the summer of reset. Were in a period where we need to get back our health, our Mental Health, our wellbeing and really reset before, i think, fall in a lot of parts of the country will be a real challenge because people will be expected to go back to their unemployment. I was just going to say what will life at work look like these days . I want to read something about return to work. Ive heard many workers compare work at home to how you work and when you work. But it seems culturally this is probably a big change thats not going away. We saw Amazon And Microsoft doing interesting tests here, amazon wanting everyone to return. There was a revolt. Microsoft, everybody is happy. Where are we headed . Chuck, i hope flexibility is in the future. We developed a prepandemic. People were more satisfied and more happy to stay. Lfs an spirmt at a Call Center showing that when people worked from home, they were 13 to 15 more productive. 2024 says to resickthat, and can as people have come back are dpg to lose the work for talent and they may not be around for a very long time. Speaking of work, i want to talk about the issue of vaccine mandates. It sort of gets back to what you were telling. A majority of employed individuals are not in favor. Weve had a political divide on vaccines. The idea the Cruise Industry has been held hostage in the state of florida because they would like one and theyre not allowed to have one, i feel like this is culturally getting in our way. You cant send your kid to Public School unless you get the measles and mumps vaccine. Is this something we should culturally try to change the minds of . I think covid was sort of like a low tide that revealed all the different sort of divides and ways certain symptoms have atrophied or trend we were already seeing. We were already seeing this reluctance when it comes to vaccines, right . Were not even seeing that in schools. We considered it sort of pocket and fringe, and now this is showing us how these things. I dont think we can answer that here in terms of work, because some of this will be done as a battle in courts, right, because there are rights that employers have to say this is what we kneeled please comply. I think just how eyepopping that number was in terms of people on unemployment. There were people who are voting with their feet. Adam, how much is this going to impact . Are we actually going to see rising wages . There isnt a fastfood restaurant in america that doesnt have a help wanted sign. What were seeing right now is a shortterm response to a dramatic shift in what people are able to do and what work theyre willing to do. One Data Point that surprised me, though, say, half of americans want their job to be working for them tremendously. Were not sure thats going to be enough of the Freedom And Flexibility that people are saying, we want more, but i think only time will tell us. But it also will increase demand. You brought up this Mental Health issue. There are many companies who dont provide mental Health Coverage. Maybe they provide physical Health Coverage but not mental Health Coverage. This was huge when the 555 in this country now. For past, its been raised also. There are not enough psychiatrists and psychologists in this country, and there is not enough Abscess And Insurance kovrnl to go to those people. With the pandemic, the Rise And Demand for that kind of help was so great that youve got people on waiting lists. You have places in the country where there is one skros for 1,000 children. There are so many new apps and attempts to try to deal with this crush, with Zoom Sessions and things like that. Go ahead. Just for a minute because i think shes bringing up such a fascinating point. Insurance didnt even know how to cover telemedicine visits, right . That wasnt even widespread. We were doing some reporting on a Medical School that is focusing on teaching virtually Students Website Manner instead of bedside manner. There are going to be some longterm shifts that we are going to see because culturally we have embraced some aspects of remote work and remote interaction. Yep. No doubt. 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Wellness, well done. Welcome back. Lets face it, this country has been for months we watched as friends, as relatives, as neighbors became sick with a disease that had no pure and frankly no treatment. We watched our schools and way of life completely shut down. But we did want to take a moment to talk to me. What do we got . When you have xfinity xfi, with blazing speed. [ screaming ] a powerful connection. Thats another level. And ultimate control. Power us up. You can do more than you ever thought possible. Yes hold on. Get a powerful and secure connection you can count on. Only with xfinity xfi. And see f9 only in theaters. Welcome back. Graphic that shows it so well. That is Life Expectancy Broken Down by race and ethnicity. Life expectacy went down overall. This revealed what we saw throughout the pandemic, black and brown appearance were more at risk, had worse access to health. All of this. This, to me, its if we dont see it now, the fixes weve got to make in response, they need to be prioritized. Also the harm to these communities. I mean, if you know somebody who has lost someone to covid and you are vaccinated, now is also the time to reach out and grieve with them. I mean, Grief And Isolation is monstrous. And in the moment where i think we also need to reach out and acknowledge and comfort each other in the face of all this harm. Kate snow, weve talked a lot about Mental Health. But you know, the Income Inequality in this field was revealed way too often, whether it was in education, whether it was in health. The socioeconomic divide, we always knew it was there, but it was so easy to see during this pandemic. You look at every measure, education, and kids trying to go to Virtual School who didnt even have the technology to do that. You know, you look at every single measure. I think i want to pick up on Something Addi just said. I think that we are all culturally going to have to reevaluate our lives to some extent right now, too. I hear a lot of people saying they dont want to go back to the speed of life that we were living before, the frenetic pace that many of us had in your lives. And people are valuing community. People are valuing family time, quiet time, in a way that in some ways i think this pandemic fully changed us and made us appreciate things that maybe we didnt look for. Adam, ive never had a closer relationship with my kids this last year than with covid. And you are like, boy, why did it take a pandemic to do this . I know i am not alone. When we study peoples reactions to traumatic events, 15 come out of them with ptsd, broken. But the Majority Experience posttraumatic growth, not just bouncing back, but fownesing forward, you have deeper connections, you have a renewed sense of strength and having we newed responsibilities and purports. I think a lot of russ rethinking this past year, where we want to live, where we want to spend our time, our careers, and our families. We should not let the crisis go to waste. What about what we do for a living. I never felt more Power Ls W The Platforms you have, the Platforms Kate and i have, we live in these hardened bubbles like never before. And these Information Bubbles have caused death. I would say obviously misinformation is a concern. But it was prior to covid. Is question is what are the solutions. I think the shine is off the apple when it comes to big tech. And more of these conversations are being more serious. They sure are. Really appreciate All Of You today, a thoughtful panel to have on what many of us are hoping really is a different kind of independence day. Thats all we have for you today. Thank you for watching. Enjoy the rest of your night. [ indiscernible ] good evening, and welcome to Politics Nation on this July 4th independence day. 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