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I Got A Girl, hung herself. My heart started racing. You found her. I did. They ruled it a suicide, but was it . At the Scene Knives rose, a cryptic phrase. Her hands were tied, she was naked. This was sending a message. That wasnt the only suspicious death here. No mom wants to hear that her son was a victim of homicide. Something happened at the top of the stairs. What really went on in that mansion. Hear from the man at the center in his first television interview. You thought you had nothing to hide . I knew i had nothing to hide. The worst shock in probably my entire life. Hello and welcome to dateline. Victims families have often described their feeling of loss simply as surreal. And so it was for both families, their tragedies were entangled in a mystery that enthralled the nation. At the center of the story to puzzling deaths and lingering suspicions. The Search For The Truth would pit the families against Each Other in a battle sparkling more questions than answers. Here is Josh Mankiewicz, with the the mansion on Ocean Boulevard win. Some places feel secluded, insulated. Secure. I can remember saying that and feeling that and saying nothing bad could ever happen here. Here is coronado, california. Just over a bridge from san diego. A town of beautiful beaches, people and homes. Like this one, on Ocean Boulevard. Accepted in the summer of 2011, this mansion became Ground Zero for mystery. This is a very bizarre death. There is No Doubt about it. Well actually theres been plenty of Doubt And Plenty of theories. My sister was dead. And did a lot of Things Growth remind . Yes. Secrets both suspected and imagined. Is it possible that other people know more than theyre saying . Yes. Its certainly possible. Beyond that its hard to say for sure. Especially when it seems everyone has a story to tell. And those stories lead to accusations, often with zero proof. People are gonna believe what theyre gonna believe with no evidence. Paradise Valley Arizona was home for this family, but the summers they spent in coronado were special. Max loves the beach, he loved the water. He used to tell me on the Way to coronado, mommy this is my place. She and maxes father Gianna Met in 1997. We had an instant connection, its very rare to meet someone like that. They married in 2001, a second marriage for jonah who was already the father of two. Hed gotten rich owning a pharmaceutical company. She went back to school to get a ph. D. In developmental psychology. And then along King Max . And then came back. Hes almost told the edge. Oh my god. He did it. How do you feel Max Shacknai . He was an active kid who Loved Sports and performing, for his mother and for her camera. Mom. This is my song, right . It is. During one of those summers in coronado, a mansion on Ocean Boulevard was on the bond market. I said lets go by and look. They bought it in 2007. But soon there was Trouble In Paradise and a bitter divorce in 2009 when max was four. They shared custody and worked to be civil, and it wasnt long before jonah met someone new. Max told me about it and i said, maybe i should meet her and he said that would be great mommy. Zahau was 32 and born in Myanmar Shed moved in the u. S. In her twenties. You are okay with her spending time with max . Mack said he had feelings for her, he liked her. At that time i had no concerns because i trusted that jonah, based on our history, max would be safe there. And safe in coronado, were nothing that is supposed to happen. Tell the operator what is going on. Hello july 11th 2011, max was staying with his dad and rebecca. She was in Corn Auto two and a home down the street that is when john a culture. He said dino you have to get here right aWay. As rebecca explained it to police jonah had been at the gym, Sixyearold Max was home with her. Rebecca said she heard a crash and found max on the floor near the staircase, the mentions heavy chandelier had fallen to the floor next to him. Rebecca said max was in breathing, she started cpr. Rebeccas 13yearold Sister Xena who was visiting called 911. My sister is trying to resuscitate a boy. Im sorry she he cant breathe. Police and paramedics arrived within minutes, jonah called the enough from the hospital. When he tells me, thank god that she was able to give him cpr i think to myself thank you, thank god. Hes gonna be okay . Hes gonna be okay. Max was on conscious. Do you not and joanna took up a vigil at the hospital. Jonahs brother adam flew in from his home in tennessee. You came out to support jonah . Correct. How well did you know max . I knew max well. He was a really wonderful kid. At maxes bedside jonah asked one of the doctors for his prognosis. The doctor said i dont know. I dont know, im not sure if hes Gonna Walk or talk. That sounds like the worst news that you could get . I wouldve bet my life on it that max was going to be okay. There was more Bad News on the Way. 911 emergency. What are you reporting . Yeah i Got A Girl, hung herself in the guesthouse. What had happened in that house, police uncovered some disturbing clues . Coming up. They located a female on the property. The victims hands and feats were bound. I guarantee you my heart started racing. Who was this victim . Okay. How old is she . Id say about. 30 30 . Okay. When was the last time you saw her . Last night. Soon detectives would be investigating not just one puzzling death, but to. It was the worst shock and probably my entire life. When dateline continues. E continues ema or Atopic Dermatitis Under Control . Hide my skin . Not me. By Hitting Eczema where it counts, dupixent helps heal your skin from within, keeping you one step ahead of eczema. And that means longlasting clearer skin. And fast Itch Relief for adults. Hide my skin . 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When was the last time you saw . Her last night. Even as he called 911, adams said he thought she was dead. But you try to do something about it . I tried to do something, absolutely. It never really occurred to me that someone would look at this as a crime Scene Or Something like that. That was the furthest thing from my mind. So you cut her body down . Yeah. And . Started cpr. To no avail . To no avail. They arrived at the scene and located a female on the property who appear to be deceased. Rebeccas sister, mary was hundreds of miles aWay in missouri when her husband doug came to her work to bring her the awful news. I remember him saying rebeccas gone. I and i said, what do you mean . I just talked to her last night. In that phone call, rebecca told her sister about what happened to max. It was the same story she told police. She said she was in the bathroom and she heard a loud noise, allowed crash and when she came out max was there on the floor and the chandelier was close to him. He was unconscious. How did you describe jonah during those days . That he was upset. And it broke her heart to see him upset. Theyve met when rebecca worked for an eye doctor, and joe and i was a patient. He came in for an appointment and started talking a next thing you know theyre going out . Apparently, yes. You are making an expression that makes me think that you thought that was a particularly good idea . I never approved of the relationship if thats what youre asking me. Because . First of all, hes almost twice her age. Her free spirited sister fell for joe now anyWay. They seemed happy, they seem and love . I think my sister loved him in her Way. Saw her she was some what in awe of him. Mary says that while Rebecca And Max were close, rebecca gave the impression she didnt get along well with Maxes Mom. And when mom had his fall, mary said, rebecca worried how dino would react. She was upset about it and she said, jeanne is going to kill me. She said jean is Gonna Kill me . Thats correct. Rebecca seemed upset, stressed, you get any sense that she blamed himself for what had happened . She seemed stress but not in appropriately so. Because everybody was stressed . Everybody was stressed. And actually sympathize with her, maybe mention that, it has to be tough on you. How terrible. Soon, Rebeccas Death became national news. In large part because of details revealed by sheriffs investigators. The victims hands and feet were bound, and she was completely nude. It has yet to be determined if this will become a criminal matter or will remain as a death investigation. In other words, did rebeca hang herself or was Someone Else involved . A neighbor reported hearing streams the night before, was that rebecca . There was a scream that somebody heard, did you hear that . Well, my windows were closed and i did not hear scream. Meanwhile at the hospital, dina said she was only focused on max. She kept watched by his bedside willing him to open his eyes. It was Saturday July 16th 2011, five days after maxes fall. I notice that his a. G. Was just flat. And i thought that The Machine was broken, and that was shaking The Machine and im thinking, its not working, its malfunctioning. And then im saying the Eeg Machine is not working, its not working. But it was working, Sixyearold Max was gone. And dina was devastated. I mean, it was the worst shock in probably my entire life. A mother in shock and in mourning. But also questioning, how exactly had maxes fatal fall happened . Others asked what led to rebeccas hanging . The mystery of this mansion was only getting deeper. Coming up. Ropes, knives, curious phrase on the scene. There was a message painted and black paint. But to some of the most curious thing of all, the Police Theory of what really happened. This is a very unusual circumstance. We conducted an experiment to determine if it is possible for a person to secure their hands behind their backs in a fashion we found. When dateline continues. Teline continues im chi lan, i am a mom, and a real estate agent. After having a kid, everything that you used to do for yourself goes out the window. The lines that i was seeing in my forehead were getting deeper than i was used to them being. And i realized, you know, what i can focus again on myself. So, what do you see when you look at yourself . I see someone who is growing and changing, who loves and is loved. In July 2011 a private botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crows feet and forehead lines look better. The effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. 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If it was suicide it looked like a highly unusual one. And remember, rebecca was in the house when Max Shacknai fell. Right now we dont see any connection between the two incidents. The Sheriffs Department investigated for two months. We coronado held its breath. Then at a News Conference Sheriff Bill Gore laid the facts as his investigators saw them. Was Maxes Death a homicide . The am answers. No it was a tragic accident. Was Rebeccas Death a homicide . Again, The Answer is no, it was a suicide. Sergeant dave said that the Evidence Show showed a sad tale in which one Tragedy Lead to another. When rebecca checked her Voice Mail just before 1 am, sergeant said that she heard a grim message from her boyfriend, maxs dad jonah. That message i was left on her phone was to inform rebecca of maxs Grave Condition and death. Did rebecca blame herself for the child severe injuries . And then, take her whole life. The sergeant showed photos from inside the bedroom where rebecca spent her final moments. There was a rope tied to the bed, the other hand had been looped around her neck. There was also two knives in the bedroom, apparently used to cut the rope. Everything was swabbed for dna. Dna profiles were only from rebecca. So what about rebeccas hands and feet being tied, didnt that show another person was involved . Sergeant nemeth said it did not. We conducted an experiment to determine if it is possible for a person to secure their hands behind their backs in the fashion we found. They even showed a Video Demonstration and while tying ones hands in a suicide is uncommon, the Medical Examiner said that it is not unheard of. People do it, the thinking is that they bind themselves so that they wont change their Way'>Mind MidWay through, its unusual at first glance but it does happen. The location of the apparent Suicide Note was also an comment. Is there was a message painted leading to the room, im going to show you a message, we will not be revealing with the message said. The investigation left some people unsatisfied. None more so than Rebeccas Family. I know in my heart she did not commit suicide. Also unsatisfied, Dina Shacknai. Sheriffs investigator illustrated their findings with this graphic. They said max was riding his scooter on the second floor, fell over the railing, then hit or grabbed the chandelier and took down with him. That sounds to me like max is a stuntman, briefly. Why is that ridiculous, he six years old . Kids that age do crazy things, i was seven years old id trumped off of the roof of the garage . No. Im absolutely positive. He was a very smart six year old. He was very athletic, he was very coordinated and he was a very careful person, a thoughtful person. Dina did not just insist that something wasnt right, she opened her checkbook and hired her own experts. Including doctor judy, a respected forensic pathologists who review the Autopsy Report and photos and who also disagreed with the official conclusion. Max had too many injuries to be explained with a simple accidental fall. The doctor thought that maxes injuries determine that he had been assaulted before he fail. Once more she suspected whether the fall could happen as the Sheriffs Department described it. Measurements showed the railing was 32 inches high, Sixyearold Max was only 45 inches tall. His Center Of Gravity was too low. Even on a razor scooter, his Center Of Gravity is too low to go over the banister. It all pointed to a chilling alternate scenario. According to the doctor, someone assaulted max and then he somehow went over the bannister, in other words, this was a homicide. I would much rather have them say that this is an accident in heres what. No mom wants to hear that her son was a victim of a homicide. And if someone killed max, the Doctors Theory Focus on one person. I think rebecca was somehow involved, but how much she was involved into a degree, she took that to the grave. That alarming suspicion was only the beginning. Because it wasnt just dina who was investigating. Rebeccas Sister Mary was equally convinced rebecca would never hurt max or killed herself out of guilt. Two women coping with terrible tragedies. Neither willing to accept the Sheriffs Departments conclusions. Mary was about to make some incredible accusations. And she wouldnt back down. Could rebecca have been killed . A second autopsy magnifies the mystery. Coming up. There are some debruising an Internal Bleeding which couldnt be explained by the hanging. But could be explained by what . Somebody knocking her down from behind and hawk tying her. There was a struggle. A twist was coming. Did you have anything to do with Rebeccas Death . Absolutely not. You thought you had nothing to had . 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Talk to your doctor and say yess to linzess. Im natalie morales. Police had ruled Sixyearold Max shacknais fatal fallen accident. And Rebecca Zahau a suicide. But neither Maxes Mom nor Rebecca Sister were convinced. Each woman suspected foul play. And one of them was about to make an explosive accusation. Continuing with our story here is Josh Mankiewicz with the mansion on Ocean Boulevard me. The official investigation was over. The crime Scene Tape and Evidence Marker long gone. That said, and unofficial search for clues was just beginning. Online Message Boards buzzed with theories from the far fetched to the implausible. Through it all, Rebeccas Sister mary didnt buy the official finding of suicide. Was she fragile . Was she easily upset . Is she the kind of person who would fall apart after a crisis . Not at all. So when detective said that Voice Mail, the one jonah left for rebecca with the grim news about Max May have caused rebecca to hang herself, Mary Wasnt having it. I was not about to have my Sisters Name smeared and the world remember her as this crazy woman who committed her suicide because of a phone call. Was all this just about how rebecca would be remembered . After her death came some revelations, things even Mary Hadnt known him out. Like in 2005, in california, one rebecca didnt show up for work and just vanished. Her boyfriend reported her missing to local police department. Rebecca turned up a few days later saying it was just a misunderstanding. Youre persuaded that if she did sort of mysteriously disappear back then for a day or two, it was something that she willingly did and not some sign of mental fragility . I really dont know whats happened at that time. Now she said, she needed to know how rebecca died. She had Rebeccas Body exhumed and media friendly forensic pathologists performed a second autopsy. His conclusion . Homicide. There was rebecca murdered . Her family thought so. And eventually the case found its Way to this man. It was intriguing from the beginning. San Diego Attorney Keith Greer. He did identify some of the bruising and internal bruising which couldnt be explained by the hanging. Wait one second, it couldnt be explained by the hanging but could be explained by what . By someone knocking her down from behind and hawk tying her, something along those lines. A struggle. Plus greer said the force of falling nine feet from the Balcony Shouldve caused more severe injuries to rebeccas neck. He like the other doctor believed someone killed rebecca and then placed her body at the end of the rope. He began to develop a theory as to who. The riding on the doors a key to the case. Remember the message painted on the door . Sheriffs investigators declined to reveal what it said, greer eventually found out. The message scrawled in black acrylic paint red, she saved him, can you save her. He believes the message was not written by rebecca, it was written about her. She didnt Save Max . She did Save Max. At the time you have to look at it in context. Remember rebecca said she did cpr on max after he fell. So at the time those words were written, max was still alive . Max was alive. And maybe because of her effort . It wasnt maybe because of her effort, it was exactly because of her effort and thats why it is the key to the case. Because i know, whoever committed the murder, knew that rebecca had saved max. It was, he said, a small circle. Mostly family. I had an eyewitness who put Dina Shacknai at the scene of the murder that evening. Dina, the grief stricken mom. Could she have blamed rebecca and then sought revenge . Remember, mary recalled her sister saying dean is going to kill me. Where were you when Rebecca Zahau died . I dont know when she died, but i was in the hospital all night. In 2013, Keefe Greer filed a civil wrongful Death Suit on behalf of the Zahau Family. Based on his eyewitness he made dina defended along with her twin sister nina. There was also third defendant, the man who called 911, Jonas Brother, Adam Shacknai. Did you have anything to do with Rebeccas Death . Absolutely not. He disagreed. He pointed to those not tight around Rebeccas Race and feet. Figuring out in the first place is hard, tying them almost impossible. He believed whoever tied the knot had to be an expert, possibly a sailor. And Adam Shacknai worked on the Mississippi River as a tugboat captain. When he ties things off he uses a figure eight, and then closes it with a single hitch or to, guess would nots are tied on both her legs and her hands . Figure eights, tied off with a single hitch or to. Sheriffs investigators had question extensively after Rebeccas Death. You didnt hold anything back from investigators . Nothing. You help them to the extent that you could . Yeah, exhaustively. You thought you had nothing to hide . I knew i had nothing to hide. And when investigators determined there was no evidence placing adam at the scene, they cleared you . They did. Did you think this was over that point . Yes, i did. It wasnt over. Rebeccas sister was determined to hold someone accountable. Im guessing that somebody said to you that filing a lawsuit, a civil lawsuit, to finance a criminal matter is generally an extremely unsatisfying Way of pursuing justice . That may be, but my only recourse was the lawsuit. Soon they would start to get answers, just not the ones expected. Coming up. Where was dina than i dont Rebeccas Death . This eyewitness was adam, he was very clear, No Doubt about it. Powerful new Video Evidence and the dna evidence. Where was it . Adam shacknai admits that that morning he cut rebecca down, he loosened the ropes on her wrist to check your pulse. He gave her mouth to mouth resuscitation. And theres no dna . Zero. When dateline continues. Hen dateline continues certain hpvrelated cancers . 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He has not been interviewed by the police and has not come forward. My would connection it might have to Maxes Death, you have no idea . I dont. But i think it should be explored. She said police never spoke with a neighbor but we did and he doesnt remember anything about a party. And maxs data Jonah Shacknai who was in the house said that there was no party. Jonas says that he never doubted the official investigation, but wanted to rebut the theory offered by tina and others. His lawyers hired the highly regarded investigative firm, crawled, the resulting report says that the evidence is consistent with an accidental, tragic fall. And there is no evidence of foul play malice, or other not accidental currents. How many people said to you, you need to let this go and move on . Many. So many. Even if shed wanted to move on it really wasnt possible, because dina, remember, was being sued by the family of Rebecca Zahau who blamed dina, in part, for Rebeccas Death. Through it all, dina stuck to her story that shed been at Maxs Bedside at the hospital the Night Rebecca died. Even though the Zahau Attorney Keith Greer had a witness willing to testify that he saw dana outside the mansion that now to. This eyewitness was adam, he was very clear, No Doubt about it. And turned out to be dead Bang Wrong . Dead wrong. In april 2017, after four years of litigation, this Security Camera Video came to light. Its from the hospital where Max Shacknai was being treated. The same night Rebecca Zahau died. Clearly visible Dina Shacknai. At some point you look at the footage and you realize, im wrong. And my witness is wrong. Dina won their, she was at the hospital provably. Absolutely. I got mad. I got really mad. He called a Press Conference to publicly eat some crow. When these pictures come out though, you cant refute them. He removed dina from the lawsuit along with her sister nina. And the Family Attorney apologized to, was that enough . He made a public apology. I would say that not as many people saw the public apology as who saw continues accusations against us. He pushed forward anyWay with just one defendant Adam Shacknai. Thats to me, this is some scattershot attempt and you are suing everybody that comes into your line of sight looking for a sympathetic jury. Thats it. A lot of people looked at it that Way. Why shouldnt that shatter the credibility of the rest of your case . I think the reality of it is that we alWays had adam involved all through the process. In the lawsuit, greer outlined a detailed and substantiated narrative. He argued rebecca was killed not to avenge max, but instead during a Sexual Assault. Greers theory is that it began after rebecca stepped out of her shower and saw adam watching her. She didnt get some comfortable tries to escape, screams for help, at 11 30 that night. He says that explains the screams heard by a neighbor. Right after that, to silence her adam hits her at the back of the head knocks or partially unconscious and then he thinks, wraps the black pink and paints this phrase on the door. She saved him, can you save her. If im Gonna Kill somebody and try to make it look like a suicide, im not gonna Write A Cryptic Phrase behind, im gonna write a phrase that said im sorry, im guilty i did it. It wasnt staged to be suicide. Even greer said evidence placing adam at the scene is weak. Adam shacknai had any marks or scrapes that there had been a struggle with anyone. None. Same with adams dna. Its pretty hard to get rid of your dna. Hard to get rid of dna. All right. Adam shacknai admits that that morning he cut rebecca down, he loosen the ropes on her wrist to check her pulse. He gave her mouth to mouth for solicitation, he gave cpr pumps to her chest and theres no dna . How much dna and how many fingerprints are found on the knife, the rope, her body, how much . None. Zero. Zero. Zero of adams, that is. Rebeccas dna and fingerprints were everywhere. According to greer, that means adam who had no criminal history knew exactly how to wipe down the scene, somehow removing his own fingerprints and dna but leaving just for because. Of course, it could also mean that adam simply wasnt there when rebecca died. Which is exactly what Law Enforcement came to believe. Im guessing that if you walk in court in any case, and imposing council says, there is no evidence here, there are no fingerprints and theres no dna, and that is the proof of the case that i am bringing, you would think to yourself, i have a grand ball here. The absence of evidence isnt the evidence of absence. And so, we know its murder because its wipe down. We know its not suicide. Would a jury agree . Greer had to prove that Adam Shacknai was responsible for Rebeccas Death. That his own actions made him liable. In a wrongful death civil case The Standard is more likely than not. A significantly lower bar than beyond a reasonable doubt which is The Standard in a criminal case. It is however still the challenge, and when the case went to trial Keefe Greer would be against a Top Notch defense team. Did you feel overmatched . I was so a gun was pathetic. Two families connected by tragedy prepare to go head to head in a courtroom. Coming up. Did you attacker . No. Did you sexually salt . Or no. Did you tie those not on her body . No. Would a jury believe him . I sat down next to him and said merry im sorry, this is probably not good news. When dateline continues. N dateline continues thats why inside every miracleear store, youll find better cheers with your favorite fans. Youll find a better life is in store at miracleear, when you experience the exclusive miracleear advantage. Our team is devoted to your care, with free service adjustments and cleaning of your Miracleear Hearing aids for life. 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A jury would decide who was responsible for Rebeccas Death, and the verdict would be would leave both sides stunned here is Josh Mankiewicz with the conclusion of the mansion on Ocean Boulevard the. The plans attorney, he has a good imagination. Adam shacknai said it was simple, he had nothing to do with the death of Rebecca Zahau. Were you present when rebecca died . No. Did you talk or . No. Did you sexually salt . Or no. Did you tie those not on your body . No. Are those a types of not that only a sailor would know . No. Those are common knots. Sheriffs investigators found no Evidence Adam was present when rebecca died. And they cleared him. That didnt stop Rebeccas Family from suing in civil court. The lawsuit, the long string of accusations, when you think is going on here . Its denial, its they dont wanted to be seen that their sister committed suicide. We asked rebecca Sister Mary about that. A lot of time families do not want to admit that someone committed to side. Because they blame themselves for not maybe having seen the signs, is that what youre doing here . No. And i have been accused of that multiple time. Is it possible that rebecca was depressed and you missed it . No. In March 2018 the wrongful death long sued began incendiary go. Defending adam was dan web of former u. S. Attorney and a veteran of many courtrooms. There is no evidence that shows that Adam Shacknai had anything to do with the death of Rebecca Zahau. In particular no dna or fingerprints from adam were found at the death scene. Plaintiffs attorney Keith Greer called several experts who testified that the lack of physical avoidance could show adam had cleaned up after himself. There was nothing on the doorknobs whatsoever. As far as prince. And thats consistent with them being wiped down . Yes. And a Handwriting Expert who looked at that message on the door. The writing on the door is more consistent with adams than rebeccas. He also claims of rebecca had been sexually assaulted with a knife prior to her murder. His expert testified a Steak Knife found in her bedroom had her blood in the handle. Greer said the Sheriffs Department had overlooked that. They never consider that. They never analyze that. To defense called a Forensic Technician who does testified she did find the blood on the knife and with it a simple explanation. A recent cut on rebeccas right hand. And when greer asked or if the Blood Couldve come from a Sexual Assault . I didnt see any evidence of that. No evidence. Appoint the defense hammered home. No fingerprint evidence. No Finger Evidence directed to Adam Shacknai. Adams brother jonah took The Stand, he called Rebeccas Death unfathomable but said adam was not responsible. Is there anything that adams ever done in his life that would cause you to believe that he ever wouldve done the acts that he is accused of in this case . Never. Anything, its inconceivable. Adam took The Stand to. Did you get four back on the head . I never hit four back on the head. Or anywhere else, for that matter. Did you devise this scheme to try to cover up your wrongdoing by painting the saying on the door and making it look like she had been hanged by Someone Else . Absolutely, positively, not. The case went to the jury. Did you feel Confidence Deliberations began . I felt like we could possibly win very convincingly. Less than four hours later, a verdict. I sat down next to mary and said this is probably not good news, this was it a decision that even Keefe Greer would be in for quite a plot twist. Number one did adam before Rebecca Zahaus death with the intent to Heart Hurt . The answer is yes. Did that touching cause the death of Rebecca Zahau The Answer is yes. Yes, meaning that the jury found Adam Shacknai responsible for Rebecca Zahaus death. I just broke down. I was just like ok, im not crazy. Im not the only one who believes that adam murdered my sister. Thats not quite what the jury said. Finding someone liable in a civil case is not the same as finding them guilty of murder. Once more, the verdict in this case did not have to be unanimous, and it wasnt. Nine jurors found adam responsible, three did not. The jury did award the Zahau Family 5 million. Courtrooms are supposed to be a place where justice is dispensed, was this about justice . No, it wasnt. Since this wasnt a criminal case, adam didnt go to jail, he returned home to tennessee and filed a motion for a new trial, which was denied in january 2019. Then in february, adams Insurance Company and Rebeccas Family reached a settlement of 600, 000, and the case was dismissed. After the civil trial, the Sheriffs Department took a fresh look at Rebeccas Death. Eight months later, that review also concluded that rebecca died by suicide. Dina would shacknai like to see authorities reinvestigate her sons case. Do you think they will reinvestigate Maxs Death . I think its the right thing to do. Do i think it will happen . I really dont know. How does a mother ever truly accept the tragedy of her child . The ripples keep on spreading to this day. And a place where nothing bad was supposed to happen. Thats all for this edition of dateline, im natalie morales. Thank you for watching. Thank you for watching im craig melvin. And im natalie morales. And this is dateline. My mom found her. She said it looked like she might have slipped in the shower. She was in the Fetal Position in this bathtub. You could see marks on jessicas neck. Police said were going to rule this as a homicide. Detectives using new technology to view this Crime Scene and extreme detail. There

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