Melberstart you no. Good evening, we begin with Breaking News. The Trump Organization will be charged for these tax and corporate related crimes as soon as tomorrow afternoon. The Wall Street Journal reporting Alan Weisselberg who has been the center of so much of this will be himself independently indicted for evading taxes on his benefits. Hell appear in court tomorrow. This is a huge development. This is what Donald Trump has been running from for many years. It is what his desperate bid to hide his taxes. The Wall Street Journal which by the way is as twin Sister Publication of fox news. Any charges against the Trump Organization, weisselberg would be a blow to former president trump. What may also worry Donald Trump is that the beginning of the Indictment Phase of this case if you watch The Beat, we have been watching on it when it was leaked and there was a grand Jury Probe and some witnesses here learned what the investigators were asking, all of that was the investigation stage. This is the indictment stage. It is possible that for various reasons, some are unknown to us. There could be other big indictments down the road. Trumps own lawyer admits this probe continues, cnn reports today, prosecutors are looking into a separate issue, Cash Bonuses given out by the same company. Now thats a part of the investigation we have not heard from before. It matters, number one, because it speaks to the breath of what the da says, criminal sets of activities to defraud the government and in a way too defraud you. It also reminds us we have not seen the first charges yet and although this is widely confirmed. Todays Cash Bonus Piece of the story reenforces what we said in our coverage. While we dont know anything yet and legally people are presumed independent until proven guilty. The charges are coming and things going on behind the scenes and secret evidence that we dont know yet leading to more charges. I am joined now by dan alonso. Top deputy to the Da Whos now leading this investigation. Alonso wrote the das guidelines and i can tell you he formally joins us as a first time as an msnbc contributor. We welcome him in playing that role legally and journalistically, we are joined by another expert, former Watergate Prosecutor Nick ackerman. Dan, i want to start with you, i want to say formally, welcome and congratulations. We are happy to have you now as an analyst. What does it mean that both sides agreeing on the outline of the facts and charges for tomorrow. Walk us what tomorrow looks like as you handle these kinds of heavy days in that same office. Ari, Thank You for the welcome. Happy to be with you. What it means is it is always a big deal when an individual or a company is charged with felonies. This is not as we said before the large charges related to the Accounting Fraud that Michael Cohen testified about. This is off the books compensation. We have been calling it untaxed fringe benefits. It is a way to compensate people without doing what other legitimate companies does. There are still going to be investigating and well see, stay tuned on that. In the Afternoon Theyll appear for an arraignment before a judgment in supreme court, new York County which is the name of the court. The judge will arraign mr. Weisselberg and the company. A lawyer will appear and theyll enter a not guilty Plea And Thatll start the case and the case will proceed and there are things like discoveries and things like that. You say it is routine. The thought of the Companys Side is something begun you in our coverage literally wrote the memo and we dive into that. Before i bring in nick and i want you to walk us into it more. Donald trump is so synonymous in the Trump Organization in Name And Likeness and brand. He argued that the Trump Organization in his view is a success and he says hes good at what he does and he makes deal and makes money and he hid the documentation breaking with all candidates with both parties which raised the question why. The answer for that would be that in some ways the da alleges that the company may also make mumbai defrauding and stealing it. Money that was not his property would instead count as profit. Is that right . What does it mean for the corporate Side Tomorrow . Every case is a big deal for criminal defendant particularly one whos never been charged before. As far as we know the Trump Organization and weisselberg have not been. This is a big deal. When you are talking about tax fraud, you are talking about stealing from the government. Well see how the da pleads this. I am looking in particular to see if theyre going to allege that the federal government is a victim here as well. If you are talking just State Charges then it is a much smaller percentage, it is a smaller bracket of the amount of income thats evaded, say A Million dollars of income or 90,000 of tax laws. Thats not in the jail category. If you are talking about the government being a victim as well, you are talking about the 45 or 50 tax bracket. That starts to be more serious. I am going to be looking or how the da crafted these charges, who the victims are and what the crimes are that they alleged. They dont seem to be Blur Or Lie of the central that the da is going to charge tomorrow. They have started to use Bill Bar of a previous strategy that if this is quote, just mr. Weisselberg and just about taxes, it is not a big deal. Your response. How persuasive was this activity and over how many years does it occur and who were the victims. I think we are going to see a much bigger indictment in terms of the amounts of money and the crimes and of course if you are the Defense Lawyer you are going to down play the charges or minimiing it. They are not going to come up with some indictment that has minimal types of crimes. I think it is going to be a Hardhitting Indictment thats really going to be creating major problems in the Trump Organization. And of course the overriding question is where is Donald Trump and what are they going to do with him and where is he going to fit into this whole picture . That was my last question. I got a lot in the Breaking News. Nick ackerman, in a sentence or two, the Pressure Tomorrow and Weisselberg And Co. , is the worse sign for who . The worse sign for company and trump. The people that are involved in the preparation of the the nixons return. Out of those three people, only one cooperated. We dont know whats going to happen. Thats the Big Question. Dan, same question. Trump is not in the courtroom, this is not good for him when his name and businesses are being charged. I dont Think Weisselberg collaborates on these charges because he would have otherwise, that does not mean others may not have cooperated, there is a few months left in this grand Jury Investigation and there is a lot the da can do no terms of strategy to try to get at the truth. There are some things we dont know, by all account what is we know tomorrow is going to be a huge day and the first day in the rest of the life organization, how long that life is, otherwise, remains to be seen. I want to thank dan and nick and i want to tell everyone what we have coming up. This is a special show, there was this Pentagon Report on ufos, we have two experts that you wont see anywhere else, The Worlds famous neil Degrasse Tyson, on the Big Question of what the pentagon is up to and how republicans fail to stop the January 6th investigation. 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Oh my gosh, Oh My Gosh, Oh My Gosh Breaking News on Bill Cosby, hes now out of Prison Tonight after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned his conviction for indecent assaults. Now as a legal matter, this court is not saying cosby is innocent, not exonerating him of the actual charges although hes free. The court is saying prosecutors wrongly led cosby to believe that hell never be charged in a criminal case that in exchange for that under a deal he participated in a civil case saying things that were against his interests. The court is ruling the later criminal charges violated and theyre tossing his conviction. It is in many ways unusual and bizarre ruling. Cosby continued to deny all wrongdoing. His accusers responses today. I want to bring in our legal rights expert, nancy erika smith, Thank You for being here. Happy to be here, Thank You, ari. First big picture, a ruling like this is how unusual . This is i have never seen anything like that. The justices released a man accused by 60 women of sexual assaults. 19 of them were willing to testify to the same memo, he drugs women and he rapes them. The youngest was 17. Hes released based on a Press Release by a political da, he ended up representing trump in his hearing. A Press Relief turned into Blanket Immunity and binding on prosecutors. Go ahead. Lets get into exactly that. You are such a good lawyer, you are fast. You are saying what the court ruled today was a deal like some kind of bulletproof deal, is their interpretation or legal effort to super size public statements that were made about that original civil case. There is no writing to reflect it. You make an groemt agreement. The other lawyers say they were not aware of this agreement and they prosecuted him. Right. They make it sound like they gave something to andrea constance. They did not give her anything. That looks like mr. Cosby, is it true that you drugged my client so you can rape her . I plea the fifth. Thats going to hurt you in front of a jury . I dont think so. It is an astonishing decision. It appropriately points out that there was no writing about this until 2015 and you mentioned the old Da Whos linked to this Deal Cant make it up. This is as trump Impeachment Lawyer who many felt was grand standing about some of this. Here is what he sounded recently in that case. You can see how powerless many of us feel, this is for all people who have been imprisoned wrongfully, regardless of race color. I am the lead prosecutor, council, we still know what records are. On the thing you put the needle down and you play it. Here is Little Bruce 8 or 9 or 10 years old. Why i got lost then. Nebraska, you are going to hear is quite a judiciary thinking place. Wow, your final word for what this means and wow, what an unusual deplorable outcomes that only seems to happen in these cases especially when defendants thats my last word, it is shocking. I have heard by so many of my Clients Today who are devastated by this decision, All Of A Sudden The Da had the right to grant immunity, something only a judge can do to this powerful celebrity who has hurt so many women and the testimony was so painful, the five women testified is in the opinion, the 17yearold who he drugged and gave alcohol and raped, woke up in her home two days later and didnt know what happened to her. For him to claim hes wrongly imprisoned is completely false. Hes out on a technicality and it is a technicality that i have not seen enacted in any other states in the united states, ever. Shocking. I remind viewers whether people agree or disagree with your outrage, i can imagine many do, when you say given that you practice in this area which is why we come to you so many times, you said you never seen it as really striking. Nancy erika smith, Thank You. We have our shortest break, 60 second. The big January 6th committee progress, cornell belcher, next. 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It is against a backdrop that we just showed is almost perfect in terms of abdicaing any search for the facts. Oh yeah, it is problematic for republicans. It is kind of problematic for us to think they would join in on this. I was listening to your earlier interviews about prosecution. Would you join in and a, the prosecution, you know that you are the party guilty party on this or clearly republicans are trying whitewash this over. I am not that smart but where there is a lot of smoke there is probably fire and clearly some republicans fear being implicated of what the investigation is going to find and furthermore, they dont want this investigation to continue on about sort of the insurrection because theyre trying to pretend like the insurrection did not happen because politically is not helpful for them right now. I understand politically where they are coming from. The question is can democrats make them pay for it . This has been a pitch battle, it seems like Speaker Pelosi won this round. It does look like she won this round. These are tactics at this Point And Pelosi is very good at tactics. For the broader point is and you hear the Police Officers talk about how they and them being at the border right now shows us that. Republicans fear their base more than they fearsome of the middle electorate. The question becomes, they energize and energize and feed their base and they worry about the middle electorate later on. If people dont cooperate with this investigation, they can be dealt with by the Court Or Theyll be jailed if they dont turn in evidence. Cornel belcher, Thank You. After this break, i urge you to stick around for what you dont see. Neil Degrasse Tyson and d we made Usaa Insurance for members like martin. An Air Force Veteran made of doing whats right, not whats easy. So when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. Thats how you do it right. 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There is no reason to doubt they saw something. They saw something. That report dismissed the prospect of Alien Life, the question is gaining tractions because of evidence like this. Newly released videos raising questions of the existence of ufos. Unidentiied objects have become a national security. There is something out there bigger and faster and stronger. We have to answer that question. What is true and i am being serious here is that there are, there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we dont know exactly what they are. Obama putting his credibility on the line to really say they dont know what they are. Theyre seeing stuff they dont understand, which brings us to our suspects of ufos. These include of 150 ufo documented including some on tapes. My god. It is going against the wind. Look at that thing. Oh my god wow. The spread of Video Cameras also changing how society and the Government Deal with this, it is harder to dismiss anything that people really can see and share and see with their own eyes. Back before videos, there were similar reports of credibility of witness. One person said they met an alien and that could be dismissed. Back in 1952, you see the Headline Flying Objects near washington Spotted By Pilots and radar, Air Force revealed reports of something perhaps saucers, well, here is a Journalism Tip when perhaps saucers makes it into a new york times headline, we dont know whats going on. Perhaps, saucers . Perhaps. There was also report in the 60s of the whole town of michigan saw glowing lights and large Football Shapes and pictures, only stilled ones at the time, no videos to give you that. An investigator concluded that peoples eyes were deceived and they were witnessing not Alien Life but a kind of natural gas effect. I can not prove in a court of law that gas is the full explanation of these citings. It does appear to me likely. Thats what he thought. The new yorker notes the Cold War made it crucial that the u. S. Government be perceived to have full control. They dont need to be in on some alien Conspiracy Or Secrecy or the possibility of aliens. Now, those recent Navy Pilots they said they fell they may lose credibility. You can see why whether or not there is overwhelming evidence of ufos. A Sound Approach to finding facts to be opened to possibilities based on evidence. Not to ignorantly dismissed things or worry about mockery. There are reasons to take this seriously. National security reasons, Tonights Story is about ufos and arrogance which could be counter productive. Take for example this top facility in nevada. The place you are looking at here does not exist but it does, Thats Area 51. That secrecy is more intrigued until the u. S. Acknowledged it in 2013. Senator Harry Reed who was pushing for more transparency. He wanted the u. S. And the government here to take these issues onto fund ufos research. That approach to the issue also started to change as the videos made these sitings more mainstream and do research like Senator Reed Advocating for fed to the idea that this is a legitimate area to explore and you have more reports like the pentagons mysterious Ufos Program and releasing those tantalizing videos. There is a whole fleet of them. My god, it is going against the wind. Yeah, look at that thing dude. Those kind of citings occurred daily in 2014. Witnesses also spoken outs. I said dude, do you see that thing down there . We saw this little white tictac looking object. It was not a government aircraft, i was on the clock and so i feel a responsibility to share what i can and it is unclassified. This is a difficult one to explain. You have rotation and high altitudes. I dont know what it is. Frankly. Now even long time veteran of the u. S. Government still seem to want to sidestep this in public though. President obama says that there is footage and records of objects in the skies, these unidentified areal phenomenon, he says we dont know what they are. What do you think . Ill ask i would ask him again. Biden on the obamas comment. Much of our media turns into a conspiracy or some kind of jokes. All the Intelligence And Technology and our government, are highranking officials are the people who may know more and may be able to level with us than whether to reject us for some good reasons or take it seriously as a prospect. What does the cia think about this . Some of the phenomenons we were seeing continues to be unexplained and may in fact be some type of phenomenon thats the result of something that we dont yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitute a different form of life. Thats not nothing coming from the cia director. Now here is the thing. The video does cut both ways. If everybody from Navy Pilots and kids have Cell Phone cameras, why are we not getting any better footage . Where have those gone . Why is the Ufo Phenomenon Close to the land seems to dry up with virtually no videos showing that . The technology to record grows and leaps and bounds, why do these socalled phenomenon takes their own leaps away from our cameras . Is that a little odd or convenient . Neil Degrass Tyson brings is lens to this. Why these videos remaining grainy and far away from most cities. I am thinking if we were being visited, somebody would have some good footage. If we were being visited, maybe google Satellite Images would catch spaceships that are not airplanes moving on our surface. If we were being visited, i am thinking we would have something better than fuzzy monochromatic video of objects that apparently revealed themselves only to Navy Pilots, right . All of what is being forth of evidence to me is to cite my interest. That Pentagon Report says most ufos are unexplained. Experts asked if some of these are from china or russia. There are three main theories o f the case here. One, these these are natural phenomenons that are not from aliens. Two, like Area 51 these are secret tech from the government. You wonder if it was out of space but it was from the near future. Then, there is a big one, the theory that some people witnessed Alien Technology and that technology gets harder the detect as our own Human Technology improves its ability to record it. Which is it . The Cia Chief who left that door open and the physicist is on the Beat Tonight when we return. Beat tonight when we return life can be a lot to handle. This magic moment, but theres plenty of magic in all that chaos. So different and so new. Was like any other. With Voltaren Arthritis Pain gel my husbands got his moves back. So different and so new. 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Mr. Brennan, as someone who used to be responsible for the nations highest secrets as well as national security planning, why do you say that the evidence supports at least keeping open the prospect of intelligent life out there . Well, i dont think i said there is any evidence at all of Alien Life. What i said is a lot of these phenomenon have been observed including by Navy Pilots are unexplained. I dont think there is any way we can exclude the possibility of certain types of explanations. In any career when i looked at those videos and saw documents and red witness reports, i never saw evidence of that Alien Life. As Donald Rumsfeld said many times, sadly he passed away today, the absence of evidence, in this large expansive of universe that we cant exclude the possibility that there is some form of life some where else that we cant understand and cannot detect yet. I have no earthly idea whether or not such life exists. Earthly being such a key modifier. Neil, we quoted the scientific lens you bring to a question that of course says fascinated many, explain how you look at this. Oh yeah, at first aliens for part of our culture now, you look at how frequently they show up in movies. Very few of them are friendly by the way. I can count these many movies are friendly aliens. The rest just want to kill us. The public are thinking about aliens all the time. We are right interpreting whatever we dont understand in the context of something that we believe we do understand. We all know what aliens look like, big heads and eyes and how come nobody sees an alien with big Muscle Or One that looks like a lobster. We are preconditioned to believe more than we are preconditioned to question. And so i see the footage as you teased earlier in the program of a clip of me at a previous interview, i am just thinking we have Three Billion smartphones activated in this world and interconnected, they can all take highresolution and high photo and especially videos. In the sense, we are crowd sourcing the monitors of visitors to earth from space. I am disappointed the best evidence putting forward are these Mono Chromatic videos taken by pilots. As though the alien is only interested interested we were thinking again about the scientific lens and we hope in looking at this, were doing journalism, which is a much lower grade daily attempt at what you both do which adds a little bit more longterm resonance but i work on a daily basis. We were digging how we think about information including Human Biases which gets into psychology. Take a look. If you would believe as the Flying Saucer cultists believe the majority of the saucery reports are due to visitations you have a strange situation. Several spaceships are coming at a distance every day as if all the anthropologists in The World were to converge on the end of the islands and the Indian Ocean because they invented the Fish Net there or something. Does that kind of argument which tracks with some of your points lead to us rule something out or just say very unlikely . What mr. Brennan noted in an interview that you had just shared that he participated in, i think if we need better evidence, thats all. So in other words, they could be visiting intelligent aliens from another planet. They could be. No reason to rule that out, but what is presented in support of that contention is insufficient to convince a skeptic. I can tug at a couple of other things. We all obtain software all the time and you bet that when the software is released, they are pretty sure there are no errors in it. A week later, they need an update. A month later, another update, okay . This is also true with hardware. You can make hardware especially complex hardware, there are things that can happen inside the hardware especially if its Brand New and the very latest thing that are not fully characterized and not fully understood. In your list of what those detections could have been, you did not include a failure of the hardware to register information correctly so what we might have is an artifact inside the hardware that everyone is assuming is real and then going off all limits to interpret it. Im saying i simply want better evidence, thats all. Why should you care, why should anyone care what i think . Go catch the aliens. Do it. I have no problems. I remind you, the government doesnt own the sky, okay . The idea that the government has Alien Secrets that nobody else knows about or has access to would mean the aliens are only showing themselves to the u. S. Government. Thats untenable to me. You said why does anyone care what you think. One reason is you have a dope mind. Thats one reason to look at how you look at it. Sometimes we learn by thinking i Cant Think of what neil things. Once he explains it, i can follow his Train Of Thought a little bit. So i take it to john on the government side, within whatever youre allowed to share, did the u. S. Government have any Contingency Plans for dealing with anything that might come from the rest of The Universe backed by intelligent life or traveling light years from the Past Or Future . Does that make it to the level of cia Military Planning or so out of bounds they dont spend time on that . Since we dont know whats out there its hard to put together Contingency Plans to deal with those things. I agree with neil. These are phenomena thats unexplained. We get hung up on evidence and there are people who claim this is evidence of Alien Life. Thats pure speculation. Theres an obligation on the part of the u. S. Government to try to understand what these unexplained phenomena are. U. S. Navy pilots are not making up or fabricating these. As neil points out sometimes the sensors could be wrong, maybe malfunctions but there are things not explainable and it is part of our Human Being that we want to try to understand what is unexplainable and thats what we have to continue to do. Might there be some form of life in the far beyonds of The Universe, its arrogant of us to say no, there is not but have i seen any evidence of it . Do i believe the u. S. Government has any evidence . I do not. Yes, neil . Im out of time but go ahead. The separable questions, is there intelligent life in The Universe, we have top people working on that, and has intelligent life visited us here on earth, two separate questions. To answer yes to one is not itself bringing a yes to the other. Excellent. Look, very interesting. Neil and john, Thank You. We will be right back. Moved in with us. Our Bargain Detergent Couldnt keep up. Turns out its mostly water. So, we switched back to tide. One wash, stains are gone. Daughter slurping dont pay for water. Pay for clean. Its got to be tide. This is the sound of an asthma attack. That doesnt happen. This is the sound of better breathing. Fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. Its not a steroid or inhaler. Fasenra is an Addon Treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. Its one Maintenance Dose every 8 weeks. It helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. Nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. 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As we end Tonights Edition of The Beat i can tell you whats coming tomorrow, more so than usual, indictments of both the Trump Cfo and part or all of the Trump Organization. Thats according to nbc news, many outlets and trumps own lawyers. The charges could come as soon as the afternoon. The defendants would go to court own an msnbc well have full live coverage during the day and at 6 00 p. M. Eastern on The Beat. Weve been talking to our experts and special guests. Join us tomorrow or dvr us and i will be busy covering this and making sense of it including the new information from the indictments. If you want to follow along find me arimelber and ill track this story at arimelber. Com and this story. The reidout with Joy Reid starts now. Hi, joy. Im trying to figure out how you engineered this to be an all legal news summer. All legal news stories. I think you made this happen. Its its a lot of law. Good evening. This is one of those nights when you throw out planning because theres so much news and then theres more news and you throw out plan b. We are following a crush of Breaking News tonight. Its not every day that a company belonging to a former president of the united states gets criminally charged especially when that former president built his entire Miff And Reputation around the Company And Nbc news is reporting thats exactly whats going to happen to Donald Trumps family business, probably tomorrow