Going after Donald Trump himself yet. A top Organization Lawyer speaking out on what the d. A. Told him today, that indictments focus on benefits and alleged Tax Evasion, not going after Donald Trump, at least in the main first round. That suggests if not trump there will be indictments of other people like the cfo or indictments of the Company Or Part of the company or both. Indict the company, the people, both, and according to the initial leak, not indicting the former president. The lawyer is using this time, speaking out today, Inflection Point to criticize the narrow approach by the d. A. , saying the case after all of this sounds like small ball. It is crazy. Regardless of the facts, any indictments at the top of the former president s company, the indictment of the Trump Organization or would be part of that, it is a huge deal, it is his lifeline and business. On the beat, we first started on June 2nd that a likely legal avenue would be a corporate indictment. That still puts pressure on top executives and on Donald Trump, especially if it spurs legal cooperation. After the past few weeks, regular viewers may recall we did a different report before the newspapers reported on the prospect. We reported on just how much you indict the company, we heard from syvances indictment, he said theres a strong case to indict or part of it. As for other executives. Many sources point to the Trump Organization cfo. Weisselberg could be the first indicted and is refusing to cooperate in the probe. If there are charges next week or this week, that Changes Everything for him. He will face a major decision, start talking about everything he knows that goes on in this Company Or Risk going to prison. And he has very little reasons to think that his boss, if you have evidence to convince them, you take it all together, some of it is familiar, just as you heard about alleged financial misconduct by Donald Trump through his adult life. Whenever you hear about that, not just about Donald Trump as a person, although most people will be accused of Tax Evasion or misconduct, most dont run companies of one kind, it is one avenue. The other financial details i am not going to get into at this moment it is called the Trump Organization, a family business. When we hear this company may be indicted itself or part of it for Tax Evasion, that itself does connect back to Donald Trump. And the second piece which i am about to get into with my experts relates to Something Trump lawyers said, if you want to look at it clearly and fairly, you cant dismiss any of it. It would be true, this much investigation with the Supreme Court to get Tax Returns. Avoiding Fringe Benefit taxes we are covering a Grand Jury process. If you have been with me on the beat, watching the news, i bet you remember the mueller Grand Jury. Remember how it started . With indictment of a guy named george papadopoulos. It took months longer in that very effective prosecution. People across the Spectrum Credit Mueller for that. Took months and months to get to senior people and to paul Manafort And Roger stone at The End with stuff. I cant tell you where were going. I can only report these avenues as we have been trying to do. I can tell you a Trump Lawyer would be onto something if next round of challenges are the only winz, might be underestimating how big this could get if the early charges are an effort to flip mr. Weisselberg, put pressure on corporate entities and go after the rest of what they found, if they found anything. Now we turn to the experts. Joined by neil catchel, and joan walsh. I mention we have a witness in the probe, Michael Cohen, joining me shortly in the hour which should be interesting given his role. Neil, your view on the flurry of reporting, escalation of a probe that as we documented seems to be starting with some of the tax issues by individuals within the company. Well, ari, the 24 Hour Deadline the prosecutors gave the Trump Organization means that theyve had a Steep Hill to climb. Ive seen a lot of tight turnarounds in my legal career, even i think a 24 Hour Deadline to construct an alternative reality is rough going and thats what theyve had here. You know, this path has been in the circle since the Supreme Court ruled 90 to turn over Donald Trumps Tax Returns to the prosecutors, and now what trumps lawyers are saying this is insignificant, it is not even a charge against Donald Trump and the like, and i think i loved the set piece. It put this in context. Anyone that knows anything about criminal prosecutions, you dont just run in and charge the Big Fish right away, you build a case slowly, methodical. First round of the emron indictments didnt name Ken Lay, it started two years earlier with Arthur Anderson and the like, and then Ken Lay was criminally indicted and convicted of ten counts. This was the first move, not the last one. Before i bring in joan on a wider context, to that point, neil, we have been following as we did in the Mueller Probe, sometimes if you have a Play Book you use it, we tried to talk to people that prosecutors are interested in talking to, they make for interesting fact witnesses. Heres some of what we heard from them. When donald said numbers are certain things, allen said numbers are certain things, theyre not adding up. I actually went through a situation where i was asked to literally build false financials for my business. Then went into Donalds Office and donald said did robert and Harvey Talk to you about the numbers and i said yes, they did, but let me explain why i cant redo the numbers because they wont be true. And he just said we need new numbers. I present that to you, neil, counselor, because those kind of allegations are highly serious, if the initial reporting is correct, and well see what we get when we get it, it would suggest that the initial charges wouldnt hit those things, alleged corporate malfeasance or crime on behalf of the whole company. Can you speak to what that means in the order you describe . Yeah, so thats exactly the point which is you start with the smaller things as a prosecutor and then go up to the bigger things. Prosecutors bear the burden of proving their case beyond a real doubt, here youve also got the Trump Machine throwing up muck, saying these are prosecutors going amuck, democratic prosecutors and radicals and all sorts of stuff, so as a prosecutor what they would tell me is yeah, i already have folks giving me a lot of evidence against the Trump Organization, but what i really want to do is make sure as squeeze and use the criminal tools and prosecutions against others to build the case against the Big Fish. I think thats what well see the first stages of going on today. All right. We did the law, did some of it in the lead, neil and i did it. Were ten minutes into the hour, joan. This is still bigger than the law by which i mean the technical rules under New York statutes. This is the former President Of The United States who sold himself as a great Business Person and who now conducts his life, including potential of running for president again through this company. What does it mean, joan, if trumps own lawyers seem to be bracing for part of the company is indicted within the next two weeks . Id like to say it makes a huge difference, ari, but i am not sure it does. Weve seen the examples of Trump University, trump foundation, all of the scandals and just disgusting behavior. Weve seen so many reports of malfeasance in the Trump Organization. I dont know that it is going to change the minds. People who voted for him five years ago or even a year ago because hes a good businessman, were not paying very close attention. What i do think, though, is it puts a lot of pressure on the people around him, puts a lot of pressure on his children. You know, i dont just think about him or weisselberg and weisselbergs children but ivanka, jared, don and eric, i dont know about tiffany, but theres a lot of people who have a hand in this thing and whose reputations are also dependent on this. I think neil makes and you make a great case, these things tend to start with smaller fish so you know, i think it is news that trumps lawyer told politico theyre not going to touch him, it is a scandal that is this small, it may start small, but i dont expect it to stay small. With regard to where it could go and pressure, i mention the former deputy, he talked about other measures that could come into play more likely later in his view, but he is close to this, including heavier personal charges like rico. Take a look. It is a natural thing, complex White Collar cases to consider filing charges. Advantages are it has a strong penalty. Lot of White Collar crimes carry weak penalties or felonies. Mandatory time in State Prison for individuals and up to eight and a third to 25 years, very serious crime. Neil, what would it look like to have an on ramp to that kind of pressure, and in fairness on the other hand, what would it look like if this is as far as they go, the new d. A. Comes in january and theyre only doing this chunk of the case . Yeah, so i think you know right now theyre starting with the lowhanging fruit. It doesnt get bigger. Were talking about the Trump Organization being criminally indicted, different than Trump University and simple penalty case. If theyre convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, that is really quite an extreme thing. Unlikely for some of the other things, lot of people around trump accused of things, trump pretends not to know him or Michael Cohen. Cant do that about the Trump Organization. That is literally the organization that President Trump built and his children run. So it is harder for him to run away from it. The other thing i would say, even smaller Indictments Couldnt undermine the Trump Organization financing, it is rumored the Trump Organization is leveraged with billions of dollars in debt. Many times loan agreements say the loan can be called if the organization is indicted. That could put another squeeze on Donald Trump apart and Beyond The Law itself. Thats a possibility and it would depend on individual banks if hands arent forced. Joan, final question to you big picture is more metaphysical. Are you ready for that one . Whoa, yeah. How as society do you think everyone should deal with the understandable fatigue for all this stuff and what is sometimes called looking backwards by nonlawyers, lawyers say every case is about the past, you dont prosecute future crime, but thats a cultural mood after what everyone was subjected to for four years. How do you contrast that with all of the other conversations about the idea there has to be more accountability and things people got away with will be worse if they keep getting away with it . Well, i totally agree with that. I dont think we can really afford any kind of outrage fatigue, legal fatigue, lets get on with it, lets move ahead. We have a lot of avenues for pursuing the different cases. Weve got New York d. A. And the new York Attorney general, thats great. We need a lot to go on in the Justice Department frankly in washington and elsewhere as we learn more about what kind of Pressure Trump was bringing to bear against his socalled enemies and the role of the Justice Department there. We cannot afford to look away from any of whats happening, and then January 6th and the republican refusal to take that insurrection seriously. I know it is a lot. We have a lot of different ways of investigating it. I think it is important that the people behind the last five or six years, as well as the Trump Organization long aparent history of wrongdoing, it is important that theyre all brought to justice. Im not tired yet. I appreciate both your views from differing perspectives about a story that continued to accelerate. To paraphrase, theres something happening here, but what it is is getting more and more clear. I think well learn a lot in the coming days and calling on you if the news go there. Thanks to both of you. I want to tell viewers, we have a Fact Check on Bill Barr as he admits he knew trump was lying. Big news how vaccines may protect you from covid for years. Special guest, chairman of moderna. First, witness Michael Cohen on what he expects as we go forward on this Big News week. Stay with us. S Big News week. Stay with us ries . We invited mahault to see for herself that new Dove Breakage Remedy gives damaged hair the strength it needs. Even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97 less breakage. Strong hair with new Dove Breakage Remedy. Front desk. Yes, hello. Im so. Please hold. I got you. All by yourself. Go with us and get millions of flexible booking options. Expedia. It matters who you travel with. Keeping your Oysters Business growing expedia. Has you swamped. You need to hire. I need indeed indeed you do. 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Im not sure the indictments dont start as early as tomorrow or wednesday, the d. A. Has been very busy putting this case together, they have millions of documents. I said this on the show before, Allen Weisselberg is not the key to the indictment, it is not weisselberg oracle or calamari. You know that as well as anybody. One of the things about weisselberg, they claim he is not cooperating, he is actually the opposite, he is refusing to cooperate. Thats okay. Because right now theyre in the investigation stage. It is always easy to be tough when youre in the investigation stage. Once the indictments come in, it is a total different game. Now whats on the line is your freedom and based upon the allegations being brought against weisselberg and others, youre looking at potentially ten years. Rest assured, the game is not stacked in your favor, and the lawyers will turn around, especially that theyre being paid by trump now that stay, stay the course, like was told of me, stay the course, stay on message, do what you need to do. Dont worry, donald is there for you, he loves you and is going to protect you, he will never let anything happen until it is michael who . He will be faced with a choice. Youre making sound points, you lived it. Very brief sound here that some might have forgotten which is so relevant, mr. Weisselberg provided some information in the investigation that touched on as we reported payments that he, you and Donald Trump arranged. This is how Donald Trump talked about that Incident And Mr. Weisselbergs role. 100 he didnt. Okay. 100 . Hes a wonderful guy. It was a very limited, little period of time. That was a period of time not to belabor the point, as you accurately said, Donald Trump did not stand by you, he did publicly stand by mr. Weisselberg when it was convenient for both of them. If theres a Charge And Indictment against weisselberg, whats going to happen in your view, and do you think mr. Weisselberg could change his mind . Absolutely, again, it is distinction between the investigation and indictment, and it is not just the indictment of allen, it is indictment of his sons as well. Both of them had involvement with the Trump Organization, barry as an employee, jack as part of ladder capital, but again, it is not just weisselberg. You have calamari being looked at for the same allegations brought against weisselberg. Catching people up, former Bodyguard And Executive who is also according to the Wall Street Journal under the same scrutiny. Thats exactly correct, when it comes to having rent free apartments and vehicles, being involved in other aspects of the Trump Organization which the d. A. Is seriously looking at. On top of that, lets not forget, jeff mcconney, assistant controller, works specifically for weisselberg. Hes already been before the Grand Jury, take his testimony, take the testimony of jen weisselberg, Half Dozen other people, couple that with the documentary evidence, rest assured, allen doesnt want to spend his golden years with his children in prison. That i can tell you for certain. Jumping in again. I want to get you on another part of your Experience And Expertise that most people dont have, which is why it is interesting to listen to you, whether people agree with you or not. You were a Trump Laura long time. Thats a certain kind of job. I quoted what some of the Trump Lawyers are saying today. Can you give us insight into what their public strategy is, what they might be doing with the d. A. , how much of it is being quarterbacked or coached by Donald Trump himself because theyre opening on a very Bill Barrish style, before we get news or indictment, they have their version why it is not a big deal, that can or cannot work, any expertise on that as a former Trump Lawyer . Sure. I understand whether it is those that went in to speak with the d. A. , none of it is the Decision Making by the lawyers. It is all being orchestrated by Donald And Everybody runs around him trying to do what it is he wants to be done in order to appease the king, and whats going to ultimately happen, he has no idea what he is facing. Let me press you. There are folks that looked at the Mueller Probe and thought Bob Mueller knows what he is doing, Donald Trump doesnt know this game. A lot of people got indicted, i wouldnt call it a success for mag a land, but he saved his own skin. What do you say to the Argument Or View that Donald Trump is back at it and with no disrespect to law school, didnt go there, seems to know his way around a mix of lying and lawyering. Well, Donald Trumps Big Out is the fact that there are no emails or Text Messages because he has no Email Address and doesnt text message. However, all of the documentation refers back to the boss or to him by name and so on, and yes, it is not a Slam Dunk since you dont have emails from his Email Address since he doesnt have it, but if Everything And Everybody acknowledge the same thing, that everything was done at the direction of and for the benefit of donald j. Trump, including when it comes to taxes where i believe he will look to throw the Accountant And Accounting firm under the bus, they all then have to come out and defend themselves, leaving trump by himself, and eventually this is whats going to happen as a direct result of indictments that are going to be coming out. All makes sense on more than one angle. Speaking to you as a witness in this very case, someone that provided testimony, Michael Cohen, thanks for coming back on the beat. Good to see you, ari. Shortest break, 60 second. When we come back, Moderna Cofounder on the pandemic. And first, mcconnell going into reagan era talking points. Theyre calling on biden to go big. Ints theyre calling on biden to go big. Cory bush is here. We are back in 60 seconds. Re ba. Aging is a journey. You cant always know whats ahead. Since 1995, seniors have opened their doors to right at home for personalized care. To be their guide. To steer them through uncharted territory. And when it comes right down to it, to keep them safe at home. After all, home is the best place to be. Right at home, navigating whats to come. The politics republicans are turning again to culture wars, six months into the biden presidency, and they find them to be something of a Teflon Opponent on many attacks. Now we are hearing more dog whistles, Senator Johnson critiquing Race Theory and saying this. No reason for critical Race Theory to be taught in any School System in america. I dont want to make this speech about me, but i just want to talk about whats happening to our culture. Take back our school boards, county boards, city council. We will take back our culture. This is familiar terrain for the republican party, that the culture has somehow been taken, but by whom and what are they getting at. Traffic in antiimmigration politics. Block by block, my friends, we must take back our cities and take back our culture, take back our country. For many washington republicans, buchanon talked merck first. So much of what truck has done was plagiarized. Here we are, republicans shut out of federal power, they have not been able to summon majorities of voters in president ial elections, there are obstacles to voting, we covered that extensively, and these kinds of tacts. Ron johnson who opposed creation of juneteenth, and then learned what people thought about that when he tried to politic by going to celebrate at one of the first juneteenth celebrations. I support celebrating emancipation of slaves. Didnt understand why the only way to do that is give 2 Million federal workers a day off, but the rest of congress wants to do that. I wont stand in the way. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Im sorry, im in the house now, housework is going on. Thanks for having me. Great to have you. Is that the vote, bell to go vote . Almost. Yep. Almost. Well keep it moving, congresswoman. Want to get into several things with you. First, it is politics. Your response to what were seeing here which is very specifically in the context of a lot of independent and republican voters backing the biden domestic agenda, spending bills, this refrain to socalled culture war. First of all, just listening to the rhetoric taking back our culture, what culture, what culture is that, what culture are you taking back. When i think about all of this rhetoric about the critical Race Theory, first of all, it is just a Scare Tactic to make people not want to, because we are doing a lot of talk and pushing hard to make sure black Lives Matter in this country and make sure that brown Lives Matter in this Country And Trans lives, native lives, and theyre trying to stop that. Double we should teach history, history of the middle passage of slavery, do you believe you should teach the history of jim crow, should we teach about the bombings, race massacres, east st. Louis, detroit, memphis, rose wood, chicago, springfield, do you believe we should teach those things or no, is that what youre saying, do you believe we should teach how the country, threat of this country, the legacy, is like a thread thats Alive And Well today in that massive incarceration and overcriminalization, should we teach that or are you saying no . Those are entrenching questions when you talk about facts of the past which are apparently uncomfortable for some. I did want to get into policing, an issue i know you care a lot about. I saw the headline, im curious, like to tell viewers when we know things and dont, like we have clues about earlier stories tonight. We really cant tell now whats going on with the George Floyd Justice in policing act. Theres a headline, lawmakers are reaching bipartisan agreement on police reform, call it preliminary bipartisan agreement after months of debate. Interestingly some leaders credible on the issue are saying yeah, theyre going somewhere. Do you have insight on this, can you tell us would that include reforming Police Immunity in court which is a sticking point, and do you think it goes far enough . What do you think of it, what do you know about it . So i will say that i am not at the table, i was not at the table. I dont know what the answer to that is right now but i have been very clear i wouldnt Support Anything that didnt end qualified immunity. I led a letter with ten colleagues saying this is something that we need you to address. We didnt change our minds. Can i ask you a followup . I think on this issue, were drilling at the same point, i want it to be coming through. We are hearing a process where the republicans have significantly delayed whether or not the George Floyd Act goes anywhere, then demanding concessions like potentially stripping Police Immunity reform which is important to you. And at The End, my question to you, partially facetious, how many Republicans Vote for it at The End anyway. Right. Exactly. Stop being hypocrites. I am saying that because im sitting and watching. These are the same folks say to me she wants to defund the police, but theyre the ones that defunded the police. 100 of them voted against supplement for Capitol Police and so on. And it is hypocritical. I will say this, that we cannot throw crumbs at a situation and tell people that this is your food you ate and expect that everything changed the way were asking for it to change. No. Actually make Policy Decisions that save lives, that change situations. Why do we have to beg to not be murdered, to not be killed, to not be disproportionately hurt and without a target and attacked by police in this country. All were asking for is the regular. Were asking for tuesday. Let us be regular, give us our rights in this country. Thats what were asking for, shouldnt have to legislate to do it in 2021. I wanted to do a policy shoutout. Youre working on a new bill about Mental Health responders. Tell us about that. Peoples Response Act. Need everybody on it. Peoples Response Act says the doj no longer should be the ones that dictate response to public safety. It should be health issues, should be under health and human services, should be a health response. It is a 10 Billion that gives social workers, mental Health Workers, doctors, nurses into communities to help deal with issues of mental Health And Substance use crises and so much more. Interesting. And again, goes to something we have covered sadly on the tragic ending of the incidents sometimes where you say why did they come in with hard force, but it is not always clear where it went wrong, having more mental Health Work on the front end may avoid tragedy. Interesting. Want to get into that. Congressman bush, thanks for being here. Appreciate it. 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I think theres a range of concerns about mail in ballots. So many concerns for fraud that cant be policed, one things i mentioned was the possibility of counterfeit. Did you have evidence of that . No, it is obvious. Do you have evidence that Mailin Voting will lead to massive Voter Fraud . I think theres high risk that it will. People trying to change the rules to this methodology which as a matter of logic is very open to Fraud And Coercion is reckless and dangerous and people are playing with fire. I wouldnt say this, but you know what Bill Barr would say about that, that that guy is full of it. Full of bs. Because thats what he is saying. So he is owning himself. He is counting on the Internet Or Twitter or some programs to rejoice in criticism, make a big deal about the quote and not Fact Check. Thats what we want you to understand. This is serious stuff. After the election in that critical run up to the insurrection, barr was pushing new probes into the vote without evidence. 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Theres a variant spreading rapidly, delta, it is more contagious and responsible for 20 of new cases in america. Sydney, australia has a two Week Lockdown over the outbreak. A top official says Theres Danger in the new variant. Delta is the most transmissible of the variants identified so far. New variants are expected and will continue to be reported. Thats what viruses do. They resolve. Cofounder and chairman of moderna, ceo of flagship pioneering, what is known in science as a boss, if familiar with the term and culture. Thanks for coming back. Great to be back, ari. Thanks for having me. What does it mean when studies show the vaccines can last years . I think that were accumulating evidence, working with a number of partners to really see how the Immune System can sustain its ability to evolve its own repertoire, continue to protect us and the study that we just reported was one additional piece of evidence that we may have durable immunity. 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When we and others thought about designing these vaccines and dosing them, we had that in mind in that we didnt want to just get away with adequate protection knowing that variants will come along and make the protection somewhat more challenged, and thats in fact what were seeing. Unfortunately, we have enough Head Room to be able to handle it so far. Weve talked here on this program and others who cover it about your results, about your success. I think its quite clear. Youre also on this forbes list here, i want to share with viewers. They looked at 40 billionaires who got rich, they say, fighting covid19. They estimate your Net Worth is over 2 billion. Do you think its possible that you have too much money . Well, look, i think that the discussions around the value thats being created is one discussion. What we focus on is impact. And i can tell you that as a company, moderna and those of us involved in founding the company are working hard on making sure that we can have the maximum impact possible, not just with this vaccine but all the variant vaccines were developing, not just for this disease but also the flu coming up over the next year and several other vaccines as well, about ten of them were developing. So id say our focus is on having impact and were happy to see the impact and we look forward to a lot more with this platform that we think is going to be very, very important for the future of Public Health and also therapeutic. But is there something wrong in Capitalism Or Regulation when individuals have this much money or do you not think thats the right way to look at it . Look, i think in the case of many who have been rewarded for the product of their innovation, the question is what does one do with those resources. And its how do you direct them to actually create to have social exact and through philanthropy which i and many others are actively engaged in. I think the resources that can go to that will have even more benefit and thats the way i look at it. Understood. I really appreciate you joining us and covering more than one topic. Again, you talk about impact, i think weve seen it. Theres tremendous impact here and so much of it has been positive. The good news on the resilience of the Vaccines Efficacy as well. I hope youll come back. Thanks for coming on the beat. Thanks for having me again. Appreciate it. When we come back, i want to talk about what Maya Wiley and Curb Your Enthusiasm have in common with some Behindthescenes Footage well share for the first time. Nes fo share for the first time r comfo, protected, and undeniably sleek. Depend. The only thing stronger than us, is you. With schizophrenia, i see progress differently. Its in the small things i look forward to. 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Thank you so much. We begin The Reidout with the hammer thats poised to drop on the Trump Organization. Today marked a crucial deadline for Donald Trump and top executives at his company to avert the long anticipated reckoning thats coming their way. As the Washington Post reported late last night prosecutors in New York gave the former guys attorneys a deadline of Monday Afternoon to make any final arguments as to why the Trump Organization should not face criminal charges over its financial dealings. That deadline has now come and gone and it could be the final step before criminal charges are