Election officials of both Political Parties and replacing them with political cronies. They are masquerading as election measures but will have the opposite effect. Instead of the integrity maintained by the secretaries of state and local Election Officials who proved incorruptible in 2020 despite Donald Trumps threats and pleas to find enough votes to overturn the 2020 election results, the Gop Power Grab got the power of those very officials and replaced them with political types who might have heeded the calls had they been in place. From Brandnew Reporting in The New York Times the Maneuvers Risk eroding some of the core checks that stood against former President Trump as he sought to subvert the 2020 election results. Had these bills been in place during the aftermath of the election, Democrats Say, they would have significantly added to the Turmoil Trump and his allies wrought by trying to overturn the outcome. They worry proponents of Trumps Conspiracy theories will soon have much greater control over the levers of The American election system. Democrats stand alone in their desire to prevent any and all of that from happening which seems myopic, destroying faith in elections could hurt both parties. The democrats are bringing out the big guns for this week of decisive movement. Former President Obama joined Holder Today in a push for the sweeping voting Rights Bill up for vote in the senate tomorrow. In the aftermath of an insurrection, with our democracy on the line, and many of the same republican senators going along with the notion that somehow there were irregularities and problems with legitimacy in our most recent election, theyre suddenly afraid to even talk about these issues and figure out solutions on the floor of the senate. They dont even want to talk about voting. And thats not acceptable. And Beta Orourke tells Nbc News that if congress fails to pass a bill states like texas will cease to be a democracy. Those basic tenets of this, making Election Day a national holiday, same day automatic voter registration, reducing the power of corporate spending, getting obstacles out of the way in states like texas and florida and georgia, we have to do that or we wont have true Voting Rights in this country. We wont really have democracy in states like texas. He and former President Obama pushing the case as crunch time arrives in washington, where we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Eugene daniels is back, white House Reporter for politico and the coauthor of playbook. Also joining us, nick, i knew i would screw that up. Hes a reporter for The New York Times. Hes bilined on on the Power Grab and msnbc political analyst, the former senator claire mccaskill. A thank you to you, my friend, claire. I was like a proud Mama Bear reading all the love for you on twitter. Much deserved. Im sorry i wasnt there with you. Listen, i have new huge respect for you, my friend. Its not quite as easy as it looks, and your job is firmly in place, my friend, i am happy to be commentaing and not reading a prompter today. It is like new shoes. If you wear it, try it a few times and they get comfy. The chair is yours anytime. On this push i was so cheered to see President Obama weighing in and really trying to rally support. Theyre not coming to the debate with an alternative. Its like their opposition to the agenda. Theyre just obstructing this. There is a Knee Jerk Reaction to policy in the united States Senate that if Mitch Mcconnell doesnt like it then we dont talk about it as republicans and i think what President Obama was trying to emphasize, which is important to remember, that the procedural vote that will occur tomorrow is merely to debate the issue. Its not to decide what the government is going to do or not do in relation to elections. Its to debate it. So if we will continue to frame it, the way President Obama did, the republicans just look weak and afraid to even talk about the issues around our elections in the United States of america. Which is really bizarre if you think about it, that they wont even debate it. Well, and that they wont even defend it. Im going to try this again. Nick has written some of the best reporting on what is actually in the state by state bills, all predicated on a lie that somehow there was fraud. There was no fraud. The very few occasions of fraud, i think, are mostly on the Trump Side of the ledger. I wonder if you could take us through your reporting from the weekend. I was down in georgia last week. These bills that have provision that is restrict Voting And Will impact the administration of elections. In georgia there were a lot of smaller bills that dealt with County Election boards and these are the officials that determine how voting will take place. They select polling locations. They set the voting hours. They still have to meet minimums. They can decide if they want to add aN Additional week in georgia. What we saw with a lot of the smaller bills was that County Boards of election were being restructured and they were installing their own people and commissioners which are partisan bodies and in a lot of the counties i looked at and visited they were controlled by republicans this is kind of the first place the Voting Laws are starting to take effect and it means theres going to be not as much Voice And Advocacy for people of color or women of color. Their voice will be lost. Others who might know more about their individual communitys needs wont be able to have their voices heard and it risks undermining the very rhythms of Election Day. I want to read what youre referring to. It takes the people who Turnt Out to be the heroes, democrats and republicans, but Election Officials who sought to do what youre describing, defend the ultimate result of the will of the voters, and it wasnt even whole states. It was a precinct or a county. People strongarmed by reporting from some of your colleagues, from Donald Trump from the oval office, michigan, georgia and other places. Let me read what some of the laws would do. Across Georgia Members of at least ten County Election boards have been removed, had their position eliminated or will be kicked off through local ordinances or new laws. Five are people of color and most are democrats, though some are republicans, and they will most likely all be replaced by republicans. Gop lawmakers say they will reduce the influence of the Political Parties, but the laws allow republicans to remove local officials they dont like and because several of them have been black democrats Voting Rights groups fear these are further attempts to disenfranchise people of color. Just on the bogus claim saying theyre meant to improve local boards, the Georgia Vote was audited three times. There was no there was no miscounting, the machines didnt miscount, the Hand Recounts affirm the states. Why not be up front about the motives here . This is kind of the seem reasOn And motives given around the country, this Idea Elections need to be secure even if they were secure. Even when they dont promote and talk about the Big Lie, theyre saying, like florida, for example, every republican who voted for the bill that adds restrictions say it was the Gold Standard and we have no issues. They admit that but say it can be stronger and more secure. What theyre doing is not weighing the impact on voters and making it hard to vote. One of the new provisions is voter i. D. And new requirements for voter i. D. The Atlanta Journal Constitution found 272,000 georgians didnt have the requisite either i. D. Or information they would need to give the secretary of States Office and they may not know theyre short of that. Now more than half of that 272,000 were black voters. So in doing this attempt to secure an already secure Election Theyve added these new restriction that is could really impact Peoples Ability to vote. Atlanta has a mayoral election this year and in 2022. Nick, youve been covering this i think the longest. Ive been reading your reporting on this the longest. Can you rank sort of which of the laws in your mind are the worst and go the farthest to disempowering those who walk that line in november . When it comes to, say, a Power Grab, i think georgia is probably going to have the greatest takeover. You have the main Voting Bill which stripped the Secretary Of State of his power. He was no longer a Voting Member on the State Board of elections which sets budgets and Election Administration duties. You might see the greatest partisan Power Grab in georgia. If we looked at the bills which would have the most restrictive impacts, it was going to be texas. The bill in texas, a dramatic Latenight Walkout by democrats, will come back up in a special section, would have directly disenfranchised a number of voters in the tens of thousands. They were going to ban Drivethrough And 24hour voting which allowed about 14,000 people to vote in one night. Those two things on top of similar restrictions on ballot collection, on Weekend Voting hours and i. D. Requirements would have really led to some pretty harsh restrictions that definitely would have impacted turnout. That bill in some form is likely to come up again in texas. And just, you know, not to be the skunk at the garden party, eugene, but most people think its likely to pass. Nick here has the numbers. Tens of thousands of voters disenfranchised. Eugene, let me show you what general psaki had to say about their hopes and expectations for the week. Its a step forward. We dont expect a magical ten votes. But just two weeks ago there were questions about whether democrats would be aligned. We certainly hope that will be the case tomorrow. This has been a 60year battle to make voting more accessible, more available to americans across the country. Our effort, the president s effort, to continue that fight doesnt stop tomorrow at all. This will be a fight of his presidency. So, eugene, we have laws that we know disenfranchise primarily voters of color and younger voters. We have laws that, as nick and others have reported change the power, remove the nonpartisan Election Officials that preserve the will of The American people in november so the person who got the most votes in the states that matter became the president. The White House doesnt have any expectation that the legislation will pass. I mean, theyre not pollyannaish about it in front of the camera, hyped the Camera Weve been talking to them for weeks about this. And theyve been clear eyed. Thats why they say president harris has her hand up to lead the effort to counteract some of the State Law that is are happening from the federal level but the problem is, and this is purely politics, it almost doesnt matter because like Jen Psaki just said there they dont have ten republicans who will jump onboard in any iteration whether its the iteration that it passed the house from or the framework put forth by Joe Manchin, all these other aspects republicans typically like added in. Lisa murkowski, that was simply putting teeth back into the Voting Rights act. Theres all these machinations happening. It almost doesnt matter. That is a concern you hear from Voting Rights advocates from people who want to get rid of the filibuster. If you think this is the fight of his president , as Jen Psaki said, why are we not pulling the Fire Alarm from the White House, from congress, and all democrats jumping onboard to do even more about it . That is the push and pull on it. Tuesday, i would bet anything it will fail and what is the Plan B . When you talk to advocates and activists theyve been asking lawmakers and i have not gotten an answer on what happens next. That falls on the shoulders of the Vice President on who she is inviting to the White House and how they come at this because there just isnt a path for these protections. Im going to put Claire On The Spot yet. Let me put out some new new Polling Numbers for you. This is not a fringe issue, an issue only democratic americans care about. This is, frankly, like gun safety. Support for things that are in the bill. Monmouth asked do you support federal guidelines for early Voting And Mailin voting . 69 of all respondents support that. Do you think inperson early voting should be easier . Thats Curtain Number one or harder. Number three, monmouth, do you think Mailin Voting should be made easier or harder . 50 of respondents say it should be made easier. I guess my question is you just said No One is pulling the Fire Alarm. Why not . People like with all of those numbers you showed from the poll want voting to be easier. Shocking. That is not a partisan issue. You have republicans who also dont want to stand in very long lines. They want to be able to vote from their home. Not something that used to be controversial and as a matter of fact republicans used to use Mailin Voting more than democrats. It was the pandemic that forced this into being a partisan issue. And the concern that No One is pulling the Fire Alarm i think is because, one, they dont want to scare off Joe Manchin and other democrats who, remember, Joe Manchin is a proxy for a lot of these other democrats who wont say Front And Center that they dont like hr1 or didnt like what was in s1 originally. He is serving as kind of and wants to serve, has stepped up to do that and seems to be enjoying it as the person out front on this issue and fighting this. There are all these concerns and the White House has talked to me about this, a concern about activists going after these people. I think they are cognizant that its only been a few months, that theres still more time. Part of the plan was always to try to put in some of the big bills that have bipartisan support, watch them die because of the filibuster and then kind of force people like Joe Manchin to do something, to maybe change their mind. Hes talked about being only to some type of filibuster reform, whether that includes bringing back the talking filibuster where you have to sit up there and do it, the procedural vote. Thats where were at right now. Claire, i dont want to put you in the position of defending Joe Manchin or in the position of defending the filibuster, i just want to introduce a few more pieces of reporting. This is a new poll on Election Officials in america, one in three feel unsafe because of what their jobs are. One in five List Death threats as a jobrelated concern. 78 of Election Officials say Social Media has made their job more difficult. Thats from the brennan center which has been out front in great reporting and analysis. Let me show what you katie as Maricopa County has some Looney Tunes looking for abandoned fibers from china in the fourth or fifth audits of their vote. The parties can separately Credential Observers that come in, and thats a Party Function that is separate from the election workers. And so i have really definitely heard rumblings of concern among the local election folks that they wont be able to screen people out that are trying to infiltrate the process with a partisan agenda not to ensure the fairness of the process but try to somehow influence the outcome. In the 90s the United States of america used to send democratic and republican former elected officials and Campaign Strategists to new democracies to make sure what Katie Hobbs describes there didnt happen in emerging democracies. She is now one of the secretaries of state on the front lines and says its about to happen here. What should be happening right now . Is the debate framed the wrong way . Im not sure if its framed the wrong way but let me first go to the senate. I think what will happen is youll see a United Democratic Party trying to move forward on debate to make sure everyone in america can participate in this democracy without unfair burden, and then i think youre going to continue to see pressure put on everyone to reform the filibuster, and then another really popular issue that will be brought to the floor and then another and then i think youll begin to see some movement on reforming the filibuster. But circling back to your question about local Election Officials this is really whats weird about this. The Fig Leaf that the federal senators are going to use tomorrow that are republicans, the Fig Leaf theyre going to trot out is we dont want the federal government taking over our elections. Meanwhile republicans are removing local control of elections. So it is this really upsate Down Situation where theyre talking out of one side of their mouth in washington but in state capitols theyre removing officials and taking power away from duly elected constitutional officeholders. Thats whats bizarre. The poll watchers Katie Hobbs referred to is something that happens in jurisdiction. Theres local authority on the election. But parties are invited to let people come in and watch. To make sure nothing bad goes On And this has happened for a long time in our country. No one who is there watching ever is there in forget, there are strict rules in my state what they can and cant do. Theyre not trying to influence any process. But it is frightening to me that theyre removing any semblance of fairness to the process and turning it into we have to do this so we can make sure that we put somebody like Donald Trump in office even when he doesnt get enough votes. Its infuriating. Can i ask you a blunt question, claire . I feel the more progressive representatives and senators are out front. When the most vulnerable democrats are the democrats that win in Swing States and red states are not out front on this. They could never win again. I think they are out front. All 49 up until and joe has signed off on a lot of this bill. But 49 are cosponsors, nicolle. I dont think theres any democratic senator who doesnt strongly believe that we need to protect the process and protect Peoples Ability to get to the Ballot Box and get the ballots counted. It is only the republican party that is making their Party Mantra we have to make sure you dont vote because we really dont think we can win if everybody gets to vote and that is not a strong political position going forward. I know right now we have a crisis and it is scary, but long term people are not going to be turned away from the Ballot Box by a party who says were going to try to make sure you Cant Vote because thats the only way we can win. Claire is sticking around. Eugene daniels, nick corasaniti, thank you for your reporting on this and thank you for joining us to talk about it. When we come back an almost daily barrage of new Video Evidence in detailed Court Filings on the January 6th insurrectionists continuing to paint the clearest picture yet in no uncertain terms that, again, January 6th was not peaceful, that the criminals were not tourists and some, indeed, were armed that day. The latest coming up. We know 2020 turned out to be a losing year for the expresident. But revelations from a new book on his chaotic response to the Coronavirus Pandemic Show just how far he was willing to go to sacrifice americans Health And Safety to keep himself on top politically and keep up appearances during a crisis for this country. And the u. S. Is warning of more sanctions against russia days after the Facetoface Meeting between the two leaders. What that means. All those stories and more after a quick break. Ick break. 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Lets start with the case, Hunter Palm is accused of putting his feet up on a desk, yet another person, in Nancy Pelosis Office suite. And trying to get somebody to open up a computer, a laptop computer. Pleaded not guilty. He joins this list of people targeting either Speaker Pelosi or just other women, misogyny so at the root of so many of these cases. Brian mook of minnesota appears in d. C. Court tomorrow trying to get released from jail pending trial. The feds want to hold him there saying not only did he assault a Police Officer on January 6 but in 2009 he held a gun to the heads of some children when a woman intervened trying to stop it, they say he assaulted her and use Add Fiveletter Expletive toward her. Another accused of multiple occasions of knocking women unconscious including a capitol Police Officer. Case after Case Filing after filing. Carol, i want to bring you in on this. I want to ask you to speak to what feels like increasing i dont know if pressure is the right word but maybe scrutiny of all of the evidence that was in the Public Square that Christopher Wray Hasnt offered. The Fbi Director and other senior officials have consistently down played the Intelligence Value of Social Media posts by trump supporters prior to the January 6th Capitol Riot suggesting the bureau had no actionable warning the capitol would be targeted by a mob, according to a document entered into Court Records last week, Angry Trump supporters were talking open lip in the days before the riot about bringing guns to the capitol to start a revolution. My question is why the Obama Administration was so aggressive about Terrorist Content and threats to the homeland and al awlaki, why are threats to the capitol viewed differently than threats from overseas . Threats from overseas reminds everyone of two towers that fell and a part of the pentagon that went down and all the deaths at that day. Its a scar the United States hasnt totally healed even now. Domestic terror is very much on the Watch List and has been. Tim mcveigh, remember him . That was during clin Clins Presidency and it led to a closing of pennsylvania avenue. These things have been on Poems Radar including the fbi and other Intelligence Units and other Law Enforcement agencies. There was a failure, a multiple Layer Failure on January 6th in the days proceeding and, frankly, nicolle, i think the reason your show is so important in terms of zeroing in on these moments is No One has really answered the question of why. Despite very good Inspector General reports, despite some petering other reports by committees of congress, nobody has answered that question, why was this intel failure, why was it so overlapping and so profound . For example, if the fbi was chasing down in the days prior to the January 6th insurrection the leader of the proud boys, if thats who they were following, why didnt the Fbi Sort of notice what that group was up to . Why didnt they take more seriously the claims of committing War And Smuggling in guns which multiple Law Enforcement agencies received . Part of this could be because a lot of Agency Leadership was on their way out. It was the changing of the guard from trump to biden. Mart of this because many of the people coming to this event had come in november or come in december or looked like they were lovers of Law Enforcement not people who would take flags to people and punch out a woman who was an officer on the ground. You know, claire, i hate asking you to defend inaction in the united States Senate, but why isnt there why isnt this under investigation in a way that will yield more than the Charging Documents i think Scott Gleans as much as we can glean from the conduct, the prior brushes with Law Enforcement, of all of the insurrectionists but the kinds of questions that carol is posing will remain unanswered through criminal prosecution. Let me say this really clearly. I think theres a problem that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have not announced a bicameral, bipartisan select committee to investigate what happened. I dont know why it hasnt happened. Maybe the republicans are refusing to participate, but that doesnt stop them from naming the committees and it would be easy to do. You do the chair and ranking members in both houses of congress. And the thing about christopher wray, i am really Andrew Weisman wrote a piece on this and we talked about it on friday, nicolle, that he wrote a piece saying his answers were so unsatisfactory in front of that hearing, and i agree. There were so many questions he didnt answer. And the idea he would use the language no actionable warning, well, there was no warning, period, by the fbi. Stop at whether or not they could go arrest somebody. They could at a minimum have made sure that the capitol Law Enforcement and d. C. Metropolitan Police Department were ready, that they had the appropriate number of people on the ground, had buses and things to take people away if, in fact, this kind of thing developed. The fact that nobody was even ready for this, i mean, thats inexcusable for the fbi that they didnt at least shake the shoulders of the Capitol Police and say, hey, you may have a real problem on January 6th, which, of course, they did. And, carol, its the Washington Post and you and your colleagues who broke the story that, in fact, in the norfolk office the fbi did have evidence, intelligence, they did have this email chatter. Is there any reporting theres friction with the answers that wray keeps giving when the norfolk office knew exactly what was coming to washington . Individual fbi agents are not going to have any public friction with the director of the fbi but there is, of course, chatter fair. Theres of Course Chatter about the intel that was incoming, that certain people were collecting. At the higher echelons of the fbi it wasnt registering as a major concern. Now, of course, keep in mind sometimes the left hand and right Hand Arent always talking to each other in an organization as immense as the fbi so you can imagine a world in which were chasing down the head of the Oath Keepers or the head of the proud boys and were wondering if we can arrest sort of the head of the snake just to be safe. And then another unit who is picking up some online material, prepare for war, bring your guns, and assuming it is dramatic and exaggerated and hyperbole and doesnt communicate with the rest of the unit. They should be as we found in 9 11 its not identical, i want to be clear but some of the same problems on 9 11. There were warnings, much more colossal than this one but similar in other ways. Definitely. There were warnings before that that were ignored and not taken seriously. Theres a guy, he wants to fly planes into the towers. How much more specific can you be . How much more specific than the Capitol Polices own Intelligence Unit which warned the capitol itself is the target, the rioters are coming here. They planned to be violent. They planned to be armed. That Intelligence Wasnt shared with battle commanders on the ground who were protecting the capitol that day. And its still a product of investigative journalists like yourself and scott that the public knows so much of this. Thank you so much for bringing your reporting here and sharing it with us today. Claire is sticking around. Up next for us the Form Earp Administration knew very early on just how bad the pandemic was and how deadly it could be. This bought into sharper relief by a Brandnew Book that details how far the disgraced expresident was willing to go to cling to power. Go to cling to power. Keeping your Oysters Business growing has you swamped. You need to hire. I need indeed indeed you do. The moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a Resume Data Base claim your seventyfivedollar credit when you post your first job at indeed. Com Promo Magenta . Magenta crying Magenta Announcer the epson ecotank. No more cartridges. Just lots of ink. Print whatever makes you happy. The epson ecotank. Just fill and chill. Finding new routes to reach your customers, and new ways for them to reach you. Is what business is all about. 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That number a growing tangible reminder of the early response of an illprepared president and his administration outlined in a scathing new Book Nightmare Scenario by two Washington Post journalists describe it as dysfunctional and led by the expresident s rages and quest for good news. The book draws on early conversations as told by staffers and government leaders like this one. White house officials debated whether to bring Infected Americans home. Quote, dont we have an island that we own, the president reportedly asked those assembled in the Sit Room before the u. S. Outbreak would explode. Quote, what About Guantanamo . We import goods from specified, lecturing his staff. We are not going to coronavirus. The authors write, quote, aides were stunned, and when trump brought it up a second time, they quickly scuttled the idea. Worried about a backlash over quarantining american tourists on the same base where the u. S. Holds terrorism suspects. Joining us medical contributor, a pulmonologist and global Health Policy Expert and the white House Reporter for the Associated Press and an msnbc analyst. Jonathan lemere, your reaction to the reporting in this book. Its extraordinary but not all that surprising though the headlines seem implausible. We know at what great lengths thenPresident Trump took to keep the cases down. He first floated idea of keeping Cruise Ships off the coast, not letting them dock in the United States, bemoaning the fact when they did come and the passengers touched on american soil the Case Numbers would go up. We heard him complain relentlessly all the way through his alleged Comeback Rally in tulsa, oklahoma, in the summer about the testing, saying theyre testing too much. He wanted to slow down the testing because he was afraid of the perception the virus was out of control. Well, here, the virus was out of control. Certainly there was no question the early missteps led to that conclusiOn And this wasnt the only time, nicolle. People around the president had to took him out of catastrophically bad ideas, had to throw their bodies in front of things that would be far worse. Certainly there were many missteps in the early days of the pandemic. As this reporting indicates and im sure well learn more as the months and Years Advance there probably were even more that were just narrowly avoided. You know, he is talking about a phenomenon of people trying to stop him from doing certain things. Whatever heroics they did not do enough. They botched the testing. Here is what the new book has to say about testing. This is from the expresident. Quote, testing is killing me, trump reportedly exclaimed in a Phone Call to alex azar, yelling so loudly azars aides overheard every word. Quote, im going to lose the election because of testing. Azar responds, quote, do you mean jared . There may be the first time ive ever agreed with trump on the iword but this is the idea it was never about diagnosing, curing, protecting and containing a pandemic. It was only ever about his reelection. Well, good afternoon, nicole. What i will say this has to be the moment for all of us to clamor for a nonpartisan 9 11style Investigation to investigate not just the root causes of the pandemic but more importantly the failures and response and this will not be the last time. To your point the expresident knew, and i think most glaringly he knew this was an airborne virus. As a Military Member myself, that should have alerted a fivealarm fire, something akin to what Pearl Harbor was doing right after they knew they were about to get attacked. This was that same level of urgency. They had a warning this was an airborne virus. Nothing was done. We know if something was done in february upon receipt of that knowledge 80 of lives could have been saved. From that point on until early may. Number one. There has to be in this era where Ron Johnson or Tucker Carlson and others still go On And say that the vaccine kills people, that it might magnetize you, this has to be the moment we have a deterrent to medical misinformation which was obviously given a lot of Fodder And Fertilization by the expresident in his response. That has to be Number One. Number two, we need Policy Play books and standards around Pandemic Response so that every four years another president who doesnt believe in science doesnt decide that he or she will throw that playbook out the window. We need to be ready. We need to have the personnel in place. We had none of that in place this 2018. A year well before the Covid Pandemic ended up being a major threat. Jonathan, theres a great Boston Globe Future proofing the presidency, sort of lessons learned from Donald Trump. Are any of those ideas under consideration by the biden Administration Dr. Gugupta just ticked off . We know, of course, that just in recent Weeks President biden ordered Intelligence Agencies to deliver a report as to what happened with the origin in china but some talk about wanting to examine the missteps or the response in the United States, The American response, in the early days. Now this would obviously be politically toxic if theyre useful and biden and his team have been speaking in one voice, look, we want to learn so we can be better the next time. There will be another pandemic some day. Hopefully not during this administration but at some point. The nation has to be ready, have a better response. Former President Trump and his team threw out the playbook President Obama and his team gave them. There are some steps being put in place but no firm decisions just yet. Dr. Vin gupta, John Lemire and claire mccaskill, we are grateful. The very latest in u. S. russia relations. 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Im sure that you believe this is a good idea. My question, is it based on new information about Navalnys Condition or dissatisfaction with the responses that putin gave last week, or neither . I think that it is a couple things. When i talked to Alexei Navalny for my book, he explained that im not just a dissident, im not interested in being somebody who is in opposition of Vladimir Putin and moves out of the country. I have an organization. He had offices across the country, people doing the work of exposing corruptiOn And building an opposition to the putin regime. And part of what has happened is iN Addition to Alexei Navalny being imprisoned and mistreated, that organization has been smashed by the putin regime. They have rounded people up, they branded it an extremist group. So im sure part of what is informing the bidens tactics is not just mistreatment of navalny, what they are doing to him and his organization are sending a message that there could be no political opposition whatsoever in russia. And i think that does require a response and that is doctor it was very good to see Jake Sullivan lay that out. And what will be the desired impact of additional sanctions for putin . I think that we all have to be realistic here that it is hard to adjust the behavior of someone like Vladimir Putin who is so Hell Bent on continuing to undermine his own opposition at home and the United States abroad. Part of it is just showing that there is a cost for hes these actions, part of showing russians of what is happening to in a value navalny himself. And yes, part of it is you do want to have a consequence on putin and the people around him, the people who reasonabling this corruptiOn And this authoritarian behavior. So over time in the long run the navalnys of the world can prevail. They want you to give up, they want you to say that it is not worth doing anything, not worth sanctioning putin, not worth caring about democracy in russia because democracy in russia is dead. And i think so what navalny does is stir our conscience to say no, we have an obligation to step forward and then maybe other people will too around the world. Thank you, ben, for being here. I thought that it was really important also just undergirting President Biden asserting sort of a value of human rights, which is a highLight of his trip. Thank you for joining us today. It was too short. Next hour of deadline White House starts after a quick break. Ck brk. Ea among my patients i often see them have Teeth Sensitivity as well as gum issues. Does it worry me . Absolutely. Sensodyne Sensitivity And Gum gives us a dual Action Effect that really takes care of both our Teeth Sensitivity as well as our gum issues. 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It might be been Mind Blowing and fraud but that is not why were showing them to you. There is some wild new Investigative Reporting in the Washington Post about that woman who lies in that clip about that Virginia Estate belonging to her. It does not. The p. O. S. T. Reports that the estate is listed as headquarters for a firm she runs called the institute for good governance, but it is not. There is no good governance here. That home is not and was not owned by her or any of her businesses. Here is why the Edwards Fraudster matters in the bigger story with the disgraced expresident. That thing she runs helps spread one of the most outlandish Conspiracy Theories of all of how they claim the 2020 election was rigged, the Conspiracy Theory involving italy and satellites. From the post, late last december as President Trump pressed to find proof of election fraud, Mark Meadows emailed Jeffrey Rosen a letter detailing an automatic Land Addition Theory of how an italian Land Contractor had helped conspire to rig the 2020 contest. According to the Conspiracy Theory, people working for the italian defense contract information, why coordination with senior cia officials, used Military Satellites to switch votes from trump to Joe Biden and swing the result of the election. That letter was september under the Letter Head of a company that woman leads. And in january she pushed her italygate conspiracy, a claim not grounded in a single fact, that even the italian reporter whose piece helped launch the Theory Nowed a hits it was never real. Quote, in an email to the post the reporter said italygate was fake news. The Conspiracy Theory. A poisoned chalice. But the damage of italygate and other Big Lie conspiracies has already been done. The president ial election was half a year ago and still a quarter of all americans believe that President Trump is the true leader. And nearly 3 in 10 republicans believe the disgraced expresident will somehow be reinstated this year. Why does a frightening portion of the country still believe . Because the expresident cannot accept his loss. And that bring us to Chris Krebs who declared the election the most secured. And he tweeted this, administer great reporting on 2020 conspiracies. Were only scratching the surface of the Grift And Insanity that attempted to overturn an electiOn And up end democracy. And for what . Power, access, money . What a shameful chapter in american history. Protect 2020. The Grifter Squatting in a Virginia Mansion to help purpose the big Lie And Election Conspiracy Theorys is where we start this hour. Ashley park is here, and also joining us frank figliuzzi, and also Matthew Dowd is here. Ashley, ill come to you with more of this really wild and important reporting about how a grifter pushes something that ends up the desk of americas Attorney General. But i want to start with Matthew Dowd and this bigger frame of the toxic nature of all these Conspiracy Theories. And were covering them many months after they twisted our government into knots, that the Attorney General of the United States was on the receiving he had of what sounds like back bleep crazy stuff. I feel like im reading something insane. But it is important to know that the president of the United States and his Chief Of Staff put this in front of the Attorney General at the same time that an insurrection was being planned. It gets to the point of dereliction of duty, doesnt it . I think it gets to the point that the president , and weve known this, he is a Clear And Present Danger to the republic that we live in, to our democracy, and weve seen it unfold. Now, weve had Conspiracy Theories in many different ways as everybody knows in the united States History we had the fake Moon Landing and Elvis Sightings and whatever else there has been Conspiracy Theories. But weve never had a situation where Conspiracy Theories were used to basically overthrow an election. That is what we have here. And i think most worrisome, and this is why we continue to deal with this today even though former President Trump sits in maralago and spews out all kinds of crazy things, that one of the two legacy Political Parties, the gop, has basically adopted this and refuses to refute it. And so everything in the aftermath of that, why do we need to do Election Laws . Because of Conspiracy Theories that were believed by a majority of the voters. Why are we doing any sort of other thing . It is all in response to this Conspiracy Theory. And so yes, we can laugh it of a, but it is a real life in my View Sort of bizarre Tom Clancy Novel that we have here where the president it is not that there is an attack on the former president , it is the former president is attacking our system of government and our democracy. And he has enablers all over the country. You know, matt, you and i have had a lot of conversations about this and the other governing party is the democratic party, the only one interested in actively preserving our democracy. And i know that we see sort of the urgentcy the same way. But i wonder if taking all of this as the cancer that you cut out by limited filibuster reform, you just take all the legislation that sprung out of the lie, you take the failure to appoint a bipartisan commission to investigate the insurrection, you take federal Voting Rights legislation, everything that is just predicated on b. S. And you say filibuster is really important, but anything that is rooted in a lie is a cancer on our democracy. And for those pieces of legislation, well suspend the filibuster. Is that an appropriate and limited and restrained way to proceed . I would say when your democracy when the democracy is at stake, which i fundamentally believe it is, when your democracy is at stake, basically saying im going to depend on old traditions that were applied in a different time, and it is like the continued conversation in the midst of this with bipartisanship. Bipartisanship is only possible when you have a partner in the bipartisan relationship that is trustworthy, that believes in the same set of values that you do, that might have a different approach but is willing to look at things as facts and data and believes in their heart that the democracy and the republic that we have is the most important thing. That partner doesnt exist for the democrats. And so every time somebody says, well, what about the filibuster or what about this, what they are basically saying is democracy is not as important as some old rule that applied in a time long gone by that no longer works. And to me this is obviously something that happens at the federal level and this is also a battle that has to be raised and continue to be done at the state level. Because even if we solved a lot of the problems at the federal level, we have a series of leaders, gop leaders, and im in texas and especially in places like texas, second largest state in the union, that push all sorts of Conspiracy Theories on a lot of different things in order to get what they want. And until we rid the house, i call this Black Mold, we have a Black Mold problem, and until all Democrats Say you cant ignore blank mold, you have to rid yourself of Black Mold in order to solve the problem, the gop as a party is fundamentally off track of where American Democracy is. And until people begin to understand that from the Joe Manchins to the senator sinemas to everybody else, there is no way that we can solve and rid ourselves of this cancer that has become malignant in america. You know, frank, i want to can to you. As soon as matt said Clear And Present Danger, i thought of years now conversations weve had questioning the disgraced expresident and his circles loyalties. And there is another book out that when coronavirus came for the United States, there was never much consideration begin to protecting the people the United States. All the concern was about keeping his numbers down. Things he said on tv, didnt want Cruise Ships to dock because he didnt want any sick people to come home to the country they call home. And we learn in this new book that he wanted to put them at gitmo. I want to ask you about the idea of matts that he was a Clear And Present Danger and ask you if he still is. Because this is a story not just because this crazy ladies squatting in a mansion talking to icelandic reporters furthered them, but because the disgraced expresident grabbed them and sent them to his Justice Department and asked the Justice Department to act on them. Youre absolutely right. Lets be clear here, were not talking about conspiracies that just spontaneously sprung up from the population as they do Urban Legends that need to get swatted down or that take on a life of their own. Were looking at conspiracy as a deliberate strategy, deception as a strategy. And you could argue that the former president now out of office has absolutely no guardrails and zero accountability and can engage in this even more often. And kudos to the journalists who dived deeply into this and discounted it very quickly. But were learning of course that this went farther than the conspiracy itself and involved a demand that doj look at this, the Attorney General look at this, have the fbi investigate this. And so were living in an era where we used to be in an era where wed take comfort in hey, just because you say something repeatedly doesnt mean it is true. Well, weve flipped that in the age of Social Media, in the age of 24 7 cable channels, in the age of infotainment pretending to be journalism, we are now living in an era where it is true. If you say it enough, it becomes reality. Repeated rhetoric becomes someones reality. And can be used as a strategy against us and The American people. So weve got to get far more educated on this in terms of savviness, digital literacy. We see that language in the new strategy to combat domestic terrorism. But this cant happen fast enough. Until we fill that out, yes, the former president remains a threat because the Conspiracy Theories will still be used to move forwar his agenda. And the next one that is coming up were dealing with one right now which is the fbi did it, the fbi orchestrated the entire insurrection on January 6. Right . And it has taken on a life of its own in multiple facets from the revolver online magazine to Tucker Carlson to members of the gop in congress. And the next one well have to deal with is the fraud in arizona. They will find Bamboo Fibers from china or folded ballots and well have for deal with that. But the speed with which we can discounts them is critical. For. But the speed with which we can discounts them is critical. You write about Tucker Carlsons new conspiracy to blame the fbi for the insurrectiOn And you have an interesting theory about what it is set up, sort of a Disinformation Bunker for potentially exposed republican officials and members of congress. Explain. Yeah, i think that it is pretty transparent. There is a History And Track record of lashing out and trying to smear that entity or that thing which is going to make you look bad. The covid virus certainly is an example of that. The realities of the Virus And Pandemic would have made President Biden look bad in real time so they did everything they could diminish it. The same thing i believe is happening with this Nonsense Theory that all of the, quote, unindicted coconspirators listed in the January 6 indictments are actually undercover fbi agents who actually made January 6 happen. And so why would that be happening, i think that they are tritened out of their minds that the fbi is actually looking at the root causes of this. And we have some confirmation of that because Nbc News obtained one of the fbi transcripts of one of the January 6 defendants. And what is one of the questions they asked him . Do you know anybody in congress or congressional staffers. If that is becoming a standardized question under certain circumstances, they have every right to be worried and that is doctor well see them continue to plant this Cockamamy Theory that the fbi did it. And back to the Cockamamy Story we came in on, ashley, this is such a stunning piece of reporting because it takes just one of the Conspiracy Theories that the expresident thrust inside the highest levels of one of the most sort of in previous administrations walled off agencies. The united States Department of justice. He takes this again crazy idea italygate, i wasnt even familiar with it until people started reporting on it, and he thrusts to Jeffrey Rosen after barr flees. Talk about this reporting and the significance of taking all the Judiciary Committee documents that show just how under Pressure Doj leaders were by requests from mr. Meadows and the expresident himself. Well, that is just it. This reporting, and i encourage everyone to read my colleagues full story in the Washington Post, because it feels like that it is ripped from a Plot Point of homeland. It has everything. It is gripping if the conspiracy is true, which of course it isnt. But this is one of these Conspiracy Theories that you imagine typically comes in an email that your uncle saw and brings up at thanksgiving and you say that is nice, can you please pass the stuffing. But in this case, the president and his Chief Of Staff are sending it along to the Justice Department with an earnest request from the top of the power of the u. S. Government to take this seriously and to look into it. And that is sort of even more striking than everything in this story, which again is an incredible yarn, the idea that you had a president and people surrounding him who were so desperate to believe that he had won the electiOn And that it was somehow stolen, and elevating the Conspiracy Theories in the highest reaches of government. Ashley, we are learning in the absence of the bipartisan commission to investigate 16, most of what were learning about the pressure the expresident placed on his own government after losing in november there journalists like yourself and your colleagues. And i wonder where the focus is now. Where do you have the most questions . Were starting to see the house Judiciary Committee Document Release some of what happened at doj, there has been scant testimony from his Acting Head of the pentagon. But where is your interest now in understanding what really went on . One question i have is actually pushing it forward, which is where do we go from here. You put that polling up on the screen a while ago, but what does it mean when the majority of americans believe that Joe Biden is not a legitimate president , how much harder does it make it for biden to push through his Supreme Court nominee, and also what does it mean, what is playing out in the states right now when you talk about the Voting Laws, right, democrats argue that voters are disenfranchised and that is why they need their voting Rights Bills to go through and republicans in many ways are not even arguing the exact opposite but arguing on a totally different track, which is that they claim not incorrectly that their voters dont believe in the free and fair and safe elections in the United States. But the question is why. And that question is because the former president of the United States perpetuated a false, baseless and dangerous conspiracy that the election was somehow stolen. So i have talked to republicans local and state officials who are getting pushed out of their own party for committing the crime of saying that Joe Biden is the president and even they will say, well, we do need stricter Voting Laws because my party fair or unfairly just does not trust that when they go into a Voting Booth italian Military Satellites somehow didnt steal and flip their votes. So i think that this has a lot of ramifications not just understanding what did happen but what it means for the country and future elections. Nicolle, can i go ahead. I want to add on something what ashley said and what frank said, which is i think that fundamentally what this is about, fundamentally what this is about, the president and the republican leaders have no respect for their own voters. Think about this. They are willing to say those are just rubes, we can tell them anything and they will believe it. It is a used Car Salesman with a Dancing Bear and selling people cars that will break down and need brake jobs and could be dangerous to people that fundamental thing here is, and i say this to republicans out there who support republicans today, and people that support Donald Trump, they are willing to lie and drum up these things because they dont think that you matter. That is fundamentally what it is. They dont think that you matter and they will treat you like that. That is the problem. Ashley, frank, thank you for joining us. Matt dowd is sticking around. After the break, Beto Orourke picks the longest day of the year to fight for the Uphill Climb of the Voting Rights law. Well bring you the latest. Plus New Reporting on that criminal case against the expresident and the toll it is taking on long time Trump Money Man Allen Weisselberg. 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Texas has become one of the epicenters in the fight for Voting Rights after democrats in the Texas House dramatically walked out in the final hours of a legislative session last month to block the gop election bill. And beto has yet again been doing his park in texas embarking on a city tour. And Josh Letterman sat down with Beto Orourke yesterday and asked him about Senator Manchins Voting Rights proposal. Take a listen. Why dont you tell us what you think of Senator Manchins compromise measure. Im really happy that Senator Manchin is back at the table. As of a week ago, he had walked away and said he would not support the for the people act even though he was a cosponsor of it in 2019. Now that he is negotiating with his colleagues and describing what within the act he can support, i think that that is a sign of progress. But it doesnt go far enough. I think that this is a sign of progress, gives me further hope and optimism that we will succeed in passing the for the people act, but we need to go much further. Joining our conversation, kimberly atkins stohr. And Matt Dud is still here as well. And i hear, kimberly, what everyone is saying. Claire mccaskill in the last hour, Beto Orourke here. You cant get out of the gate without Joe Manchin at the table. And it is good that he is at the table. But have some fire. Right . I mean ill throw it over to you, but it is still such a low bar in terms of getting anything passed. Where does this go from here . Yeah, i mean i will say, look, as recently as last week, i was saying that Joe Manchin had seemed to have been pretty clear that he didnt like this bill, he wasnt going to support this bill. Martin Luther King can come back from the other side and convince him and it wouldnt work. So at least i was wrong there. He seems to be moving to a place where maybe that is his final place and at least for the folks like Beto Orourke, folks like stacey abrams, they are seeing it as a good starting point. And that is better than not have anything at all. But what Beto Orourke and all the others should be saying as well as the spirit of Martin Luther King is that there is still even for this place the game right now is the filibuster. The filibuster is in the way. We heard from Mitch Mcconnell basically throw water on anything, even this starting point, in terms of his support and his willingness to give cover for all the republicans to oppose it as well. And so we still are in this place that it will take a majority to pass this bill, that it will not get a supermajority. And Joe Manchin still wants to protect this institution which he believes represents bipartisan. But if he looks at the history, it represents nothing of the sort. So that is the point that Joe Manchin has to move in order for anything to happen. So matt dowd, you are one of the best not just messengers but persuaders in the country. But the Persuasion Part of the job is done. 71 of americans support the access to voting. And if people understood the disenfranchisement of the Election Officials who walked the line in november who made the difference between that Arm Twisting that we know from journalists was happening all day every day at the White House, what is underneath was vast and probably just as ugly. What is the message not just to bring along democrats but to make it untenable for republicans to oppose the legislation that undoes these fruits of the Poison Pill of trumps Big Lie . So im going to say something, i think we need to continue and put the heat on washington, d. C. And do whatever possibly we can. But right now, this is just another sign and i hate to say this that our democratic system is fundamentally broken. It is fundamentally broken when as you say 71 of americans want this, you add to that 90 of americans want gun legislation, you add to that 75 of americans want significant work done on Climate Change, you add to that 70 of americans want an increase in the minimum wage. And none of that is happening. So something is fundamentally broken. And to me the long Term Fix of this problem to me is what beto is doing this texas which i think he understands, he wants to put all of this pressure on congress and as i told you last week, i went to a rally, interest at a rally in rural texas that he had. And im signing up next week as a Volunteer Deputy Registrar in my county because i have come to the same place that the only way we can fix this problem is republicans have to suffer devastating losses in election after election after election. That is the only way. When we sit here and debate what Joe Manchin is doing because hes the 50th senator, when were in that position, american public is not being represented in washington, d. C. And the texas democrats in the legislature figured this out and walked out in order to prevent bad stuff from happening. And do you know what the governor of the state did . He vetoed their funding. And they were willing to sacrifice all of that to do that. I would hope some of people in washington, d. C. Instead of worrying about when the subcommittee is on whenever the next meeting is, instead of worrying about that, they fundamentally understand that they have to do anything possible right now to protect the democracy. But in The End the only fix to this is republicans have to lose and lose badly in a series of elections. And im willing to do anything i can on any day i can to make sure that happens. Kim, is that the view from the White House . I honestly am not certain. I dont know what the case for that is. I will say that i agree that in this case people including republicans this side, the Horl Moral Ground is not going to be what motivates people. It motivates on what is it in for them. So that is their greatest path toward 2022, 2024 and short term elections. So right now there is no incentive on the other side to do what is morally right, what is constitutionally right which is to protect the right to vote. So unless that changes, unless there is some other motivator, that is going to be the State Of Play right now politically. And that is why you can project what Mitch Mcconnell will do a lot more easily thank you can project what Joe Manchin will do. But at The End of the day, it is about protecting democracy. It is about remembering what the core constitutional principles are. And that is one thing that Joe Biden will have iN Addition to public sentiment on his side in pushing for this to be the Law Of The Land and making more Phone Calls to Joe Manchin and saying that democracy itself is more important than a Senate Rule and trying to move the filibuster even limitedly, even if it is just for civil rights legislation. If it is just for voting legislation. It can be limited. But that is the only impediment at this point to actually protecting the right of everyone, not just certain folks, everyone to vote. One thing i would say, today is the anniversary of when those three young men were killed in mississippi who were trying to get people to register to vote. It was 1964 on this day that that happened. And if that doesnt motivate people about the legacy of emmett till, the legacy of high irish ancestors, the legacy of the thousands that died in World War ii, if that doesnt motivate people to do something like we have this legacy that fought and died for this and sacrificed themselves and were unwilling to sacrifice whatever power we have in washington in order to make that happen . It has gotten to the point of ridiculous. So i dont want to hear Anybody Quota civil Rights Leader again if they are not going to do whatever it takes to save our democracy in this moment. Matthew dowd, every time you are here, i want to lift you up and place you inside the oval office. And i hope they hear what you are saying. Thank you for snding some te with us today. Kim is sticking around. When we come back, trump cronies are known for stay loyal to him until they dont. 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Early tuesday, weisselberg wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase again came out of his Apartment Building but pivoted back inside when he saw a reporter outside. Joining us now is one of the reporters. And kim is still with us. David, take us through what your understanding is of the state of the weisselberg investigation. Well, prosecutors have a huge amount of paper on Donald Trump. They have records showing his taxes, his business transactions. But to connect those activities of his business to trump itself, you have to find a person who can connect him and weisselberg would be that connection. He could say hey, maybe we shouldnt do this, this could be wrong, but trump told me to it anyway. Not many people have that access to trump. So that is why he is so important. That he had, he has been with trump 35, 40 years and he doesnt seem to be breaking away from him now. Let me read more of this reporting. I think that he is playing Russian Roulette with the district Attorneys Office if he thinks that even if he is indicted he will get a pass. That is a new York Defense lawyer and former prosecutor for the district attorney. Were not talking about fraud involving a fewcfo. There is a sense, i dont have to tell you, david, that Donald Trump is sort of a criminal houdini. He is named as uninvited coconspirator in the case from sndy that sends Michael Cohen to prison, he evades accountability for six acts of Criminal Justice and On And on. What would the Failure Toeissel Mean . We havent seen all the evidence, so we cant say that they have to be prosecuted. We know that they looked at the variety of transactions and think they found evidence of wrongdoing. But to say that Donald Trump certainly has to be indicted or there is a high School Carriage Miscarriage of justice, we dont know that much yet. We dont know trumps role in making the decisions, how much did he understand and how much was it made on the advice of weisselberg or other attorneys. For the d. A. , he has to feel like he has proof of Rumps Understanding and intent that will disprove the claim that, well, my lawyers told me to do it so you cant hold me accountable. And there is another story breaking, in the wall street journal, ill ask both of you to stick with it and well bring to the on the other side of a short break. To the on the other side of a short break. Among my patients i often see them have Teeth Sensitivity as well as gum issues. Does it worry me . Absolutely. Sensodyne Sensitivity And Gum gives us a dual Action Effect that really takes care of both our Teeth Sensitivity as well as our gum issues. Theres no question its something that i would recommend. As your business changes, the United States postal service is changing with it. With ecommerce that runs at the speed of now. 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The Elder Mr. Calamari, again very similar to the weisselberg situation, has lived for years in an apartment at trump park avenue, the son lives in Trump Park East which is across the street from Central Larry Weisselberg said he lived in the same building. So when you suggest that you get your own lawyers, that means that your interests are no longer aligned. Thats right. And without knowing the details of this reporting, which i havent read yet, what happens is as you pointed out, sometimes when there are people who are under investigation, they can enter into a joint Defense Agreement which means that the same attorney can represent all of their interests. But when there becomes a conflict, when it becomes clear that one of them, the evidence against one may be different from the evidence against the other, or in representing one another jointly in which you share your defense strategy, you share the information, could be detrimental on one of the clients, it is in the best interests of that client and of the attorneys representing them to suggest that they get separate counsels and they end that joint defense. So this is saying that some new information has come up or something during the course of this investigation that makes it clear that both of their interests arent as aligned as they thought they were going in. And david, youve covered sort of investigations around the Trump Organization, there are obviously Donald Trump and his kids, his soninlaw jared kushner, mr. Wiseleburg and his son, a lot of money flowing in and out of private schools and now another Father Son Duo and it would seem rewarded with a lot of trump leases, houses, cars. What do you think this development means . Youre right that it seems very similar to the weisselberg situation, these folks have been compensated not just salary but apparently apartments. The key is what value the calamaris might have to prosecutors. He doesnt play the same role in the company that weisselberg does. He functions more like a coo than calamari does. Weisselberg makes a lot of decisions. Calamari is a former bodyguard, he doesnt handle the executive decisions. So im not sure that calamari could tell you that Donald Trump ordered this decision or that decision. That said, he may be in legal trouble himself and im sure that he could roy something of provide something of value to prosecutors. 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In the wake of breaking with the Big Lie after January 6th, quote, her campaign spent 58,000 on security from january to march, including three former secret service officers, according to documents filed with the federal election commission. Ms. Cheney was recently assigned protection from the Capitol Police, an unusual measure for a House Member not in a leadership position. Joining us now is mark leibovich, New York times chief legal correspondent, and an msnbc legal contributor. What is being Liz Cheney like right now, and does she feel like its worth it . You know, i dont think shes thinking in terms she basically at this point has no choice. On January 6th she had an epiphany saying i cant do this anymore. Unlike a lot of people in her party, she stuck to it. Thats been her she, i think, had a lot of ambivalence about Donald Trump for a long time. I think his conduct after the election was irretrievably beyond the pale for her and her dad and her family. So being Liz Cheney, like a lot of people in the republican party who have broken with Donald Trump is a very beleaguered experience and you come under a lot of threats and a lot of unpleasantness and require extra security, which unfortunately is a fact of life of this environment if youre going to operate in it. She was my colleague in the two bush terms. Obviously i worked for her father. A lot of people came to that point before voting for Donald Trump the first time. I believe she said she voted for him twice. Does she regret that . She regretted the second one immediately. She said, i think, hes i mean, again, she had concluded that he was certainly not a perfect president. Her dad went even bother and around covid19 thought his performance had been abysmal pretty much overall if you look at the four years. But his refusing to accept the result, his efforts to challenge it and steal the election effectively was just appalling to her, especially as someone who had worked in the middle east, in tyrannical governments knows how precarious this was. January 6th was sort of the last straw for her. And again, its what changed her trajectory immediately along with a lot of others. It is an incredible piece of reporting. Whatever you think of Liz Cheney, it is just undeniably a profile in courage. Mosch leibovich, thank you for the reporting and spending some time to talk to us about it. We have to sneak in our last break. Well be right back. R last break. Well be right back. You can take your home along for the ride. Allstate. Better protection costs a whole lot less. Click or call to bundle today. I booked our hotel on kayak. Its flexible if we need to cancel. Cancel. I havent left the house in a year. Nothing will stop me from vacation. No canceling. Flexible cancellation. Kayak. 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