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Goodbye to me. Joy reid is up next. I owe you 45 seconds. Thank you. If you say hi to Martin Sheen and tell him im a fan well call it even. You got it. A Reidout Tonight with something we havent had in four long years, a president who actually talked tough to russia. President biden continues his cleanup diplomacy today, bringing america back into the international fold at Todays Nato Summit in brussels. In a News Conference following a very busy day he previewed what is undoubtedly todays event, his meeting on wednesday with russian president Vladimir Putin. Im going to make clear to President Putin that there are areas where we can cooperate if he chooses. And if he chooses not to cooperate, and acts in a way that he has in the past relative to cyber security and some other activities, then we will respond. We should decide where its in our mutual interest, and interest of the world to cooperate. And see if we can do that. And areas where we dont agree, make it clear with with what the red lines are. Thats a stark departure from his predecessor, who you may remember humiliated himself and us, and repeatedly threatened to end Americas Involvement with Nato Alliance that has defined the World Order after World War ii. President biden held meetings with key partners, Reaffirming America to the alliance. And Article V which states an attack on one is an attack on all, which our allies lived up to after 9 11. Biden refused to discuss in detail what he intended to bring up with putin but said he wasnt looking for conflict. Meanwhile, putin himself has already spoken out in an exclusive interview with Nbcs Keir simmons. The russian autocrat weighed in on American Politics and insurrection in particular. He argued with literally no sense of irony that the roughly 500 accused insurrectionists facing charges are being persecuted for their political beliefs. And if it sounds like putin is now a fullfledged member of the republican effort to whitewash the events of that day, look no further than the leader of the crusade to rewrite history. Moscows little helper, wisconsin senator, ron johnson. Weve seen plenty of video of people in the capitol. And they werent rioting. It doesnt look like an armed insurrection when you have people that breached the capitol. And i dont condone it. Theyre staying within the Rope Lines in the rotunda. Thats not what an armed insurrection would look like. Wow for his part, in his nbc News Conference President Biden renewed a call with respect to the Maga Insurrection, he said our allies know the character of our nation. I think that they have seen things happen, as we have, that shocked them and surprised them that could have happened but i think they, like i do, believe the american people are not going to sustain that kind of behavior. Joining me now is ben rhodes, former Deputy Security Adviser to President Obama. Julia aofi, Washington Correspondent for the new Media Company Hook and michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and columnist. Every leader who spoke today, ben, 10 to 12 of them, thanked him for meeting with putin right now. He called putin a worthy adversary. What do you make of putin weighing in on the Maga Insurrection on the side of the insurrectionists . Doesnt seem surprising, but what do you make of him going out of his way to do that . Well, i dont think Theres Anything surprising in that at all. Theres been a putin thats always been something of a troll that likes to insert himself in American Politics. Lets not forget if you look at the russian Disinformation Campaigns and interventions in our politics, its often to fuel the kind of Conspiracy Theories that led to that insurrection. Theyve been a party to this kind of Information Ecosystem that has propulgated conspiracy theory. On the other hand of the equation, Joe Biden very deliberately wanting to moot with our allies before he sits down with Vladimir Putin. Just as hes Working To Fortify American Democracy where theres a lot more work to do, theres work to be done to try to unify our g7 partners, part of the core of that democratic world that has been the subject of Vladimir Putins efforts to sew division within our democracies and between us. His Hope And Objective is lets try to get unity within our alliances as best we can. Let me hear from these other leaders and then this whole trip will culminate with a series of tough messages while exploring some areas where they can find some way to if not cooperate, at least coexist. Absolutely. And jewel gentleman, this is your area of expertise. Let me let you listen to Vladimir Putin in this interview with keir simmons. He wouldnt even say Alexey Navalnys name. Will you commit that you will personally ensure that Alexey Navalny Will Leave Prison Alive . I perceive from the premise the person you mentioned the same measures will apply, not any worse to Anyone Else who happens to be in president. His name is Alexey Navalny. People will know i dont care. I dont care. He Will Leave Prison Alive . I dont care. Obviously, this is somebody who has made his Chief Rival basically illegal. He has made his organization he has outlawed it and is starving and persecuting this man. How ironic for someone like that to talk about persecution. At this point do you perceive putin as fearing that the band is back together and hes on the other side . I think thats an excellent point about putin talking about persecution. Its quite rich. The rioter who broke into Nancy Pelosis Office and put her feet on his desk was on russian State Tv over the weekend, and as some people have pointed out, if somebody had done that to putins office, he wouldnt be alive to tell the tale on american tv, to put it mildly. As for the alliance, yeah, i think putin is a little worried but is trying to project an aura of calm that hes the one adult in the room watching with amusement at the american circus. I think the republican party is certainly providing a lot of ammunition for the russian side when they talk, you know, about and engage in what aboutism and say who are you to lecture us about democracy and human rights. If i were Vladimir Putin i would be thinking how long is biden going to be around and who will he be replaced by in 2024 . Will he be replaced by somebody much friendly to russia, from the Trumpist Camp . I wonder if hes waiting this out and saying okay, i just have to get through the next four years and then ill be fine. And to that point, michael, the sort of putinization of the republican party precedes trump. In the President Obama era, people like Rudy Giuliani praising putin as the real Great Leader and liking his autocratic style even before Donald Trump started Suchlt Supplocating himself to him. It is a Shock And Surprise that whats happened in terms of the consequence of president trumps Phony Populism has happened. And it is disappointing that so many of my republican colleagues in the senate, who i know know better, have been reluctant to take on, for example, an investigation because theyre worried about being primaried. And he does talk about the fact that republicans are diminished in numbers, leadership fracture. It is an interesting thing, michael, for the republican party, the party of ronald reagan, in a very real way to have become the party of Vladimir Putin. Oh, yeah. We are a hell of a long way from Reagans Declaration of the Evil Empire formerly known as the ussr, soviet union, russia. And just calling out, you know, the balls and strikes in the relationship between the united states and russia. To the point that you made about, you know, this going back before trump, a lot of the Rudy Giulianis and others, and i think we will find out more, Business Relationships and ties that created this opportunity, this Entry Point for putin and his allies in russia to get ahold of, to look at both parties and see, where can we land . You know, when i went to one of the inaugural parties in 2016, 17, it was amazing to me, joy. There were more russians in the room than there were americans. And it was hosted, you know, by political interests that had financial ties. So you begin to see how all this works. And i think, you know, both ben and julia have made the salient point when it comes to putin. Hes playing a longer game than most americans can even imagine. Hes thinking, okay, i can hold out till 2024. My bet is that if not trump, a trumplike, someone a little more charismatic and a little more sophisticated will rise to the top. And im good. So, what youre going to see and what biden is doing is so important. Hes trying to lay down some cobblestones so the next version of this relationship, to try to push it. Navalny . I dont know who this man, i dont know who the dissident is. Hes playing this like im above it all, but is strategically trying to position himself to be anyway stronger point when we get into the next president ial election and All Hell Breaks Loose with what theyre going to do in that election. The long game for russia is the bigger play here. Julia, you were giving an amen there. A guy who is nicknamed Moscow Mitch as the leader of the republican party. You talk about lechlt nigrad lindsey. To michael point, it has pivoted from spreading democracy, in part because of the disaster that was the iraq war, and has turned into embracing this role of defending Minority Rule and saying were not actually democracy, were a representative republic. And the more they try to hold on to power by undemocratic means like packing the courts and gerrymandering and passing Voter Restriction laws, the more they are in natural alignment with moscow. I do have to say my last trip to Moscow Right before the pandemic, i went to this trendy Food Hall and i sat down in the restaurant, ordered a glass of beer, and they brought me a giuliani in an associates glass. Makes sense. How did that glass get there . Makes sense. The end of the Bebe Netanyahu era, at least for now. We dont know if its permanent. This guy has been around. I was watching him since he used to be on nightline in the late 80s. He has been around a really long time. Whats The End of the Era Mean . He went out trumpy, too, angry, screaming and the whole thing. Couple of things i would say. Israel itself clearly it means an opportunity to move beyond the stalemate of politics that Bebe Netanyahu represented, extremely corrupt, showing autocratic tendencies. Why the right, the left, islamist parties, jewish parties came together. This is who he is. Its kind of like saying were shocked that the republican party is what it is in 2021, that were embracing the Big Lie. The idea that netanyahu would go out in a torrid of Conspiracy Theories and attacks, this is who he has been this whole 12year Tenure T shows the danger of this particular strain of politics where you blend together a populism and a nationalism together with some authoritarian tendencies. Yeah. And it ends up leaving societies deeply divided. My hope for israel is that they can move into a new era, healthier debate, a lot of huge issues to deal with. I think they can deal with it in a better way. Theyve decided collectively as an opposition if they can get beyond the Psycho Drama thats gripped them in four elections in less than two year. Maybe not having somebody under indictment might be nice. That would be helpful. Ill have you come on to talk about your book. Ben, julia, michael, thank you very much. Nicole Hannah Jones joins me next on the Freakout Of Her project. Plus well head to charleston, West Virginia, where a moral Monday March is being led to ensure that Joe Manchin Do The Right Thing and protect america. And Stacey Abrams is fighting to protect Voting Rights, launching a major new effort and is here tonight to sign you up to help help. Whats the most consequential thing youve ever done in your life . Raising a family, giving back to your family . Tonights absolute worst reveals his most consequential thing and its just sad and evil. The Reid Out continues after this. 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Even while working in the cotton fields they sang songs, making their work seem like. Yikes. Thats from History Of Georgia taught across Junior High Schools in georgia for decades. The danger of teaching whitewashed History Isnt just tucked away in some Dusty Oiled textbook from the Jim Crow era. No with more than 20 states to ban the teaching of critical Race Theory, including idaho, where Task Force is looking into claims of indoctrination in schools. Theyve now committed a public records request to the boise School District that could cost Tens Of Thousands of dollars because, remember, racism can be expensive. Asking for all materials, curriculum and assignments used in classrooms and teacher trainings, using Nicole Hannah Jones 1619 project. Joining me now is Nicole Hannah Jones, creator of the 1619 project. At first it seemed like it was a Fringe Sort of attack on your project, on this project. It has now become a cause. Just a sampling. In nevada, they want teachers there to wear Body Cameras so they can monitor what theyre teaching to make sure theyre not teaching things like the 1619 project. Ron desantis in florida has accused hes making hay out of this for himself, want to make sure that were not teaching kids to hate their country. In arizona theyre talking about fining teachers 5,000 if they discuss Hot Button Topics such as racial equity. This seems like madness, nicole. Some of them are calling it they want patriotic education instead. In your view, what is this about . They for take time to discuss this, joy. Were in a dangerous period right now. People scoffed at them, when you read language of them they appear very silly. When you think about what this is actually trying to do, we know its a narrative that allows us to enact dangerous policies, it is narrative that allows citizens to accept these erosions of civil rights. Its not incidental that the same states that are introducing the anticritical Race Theory, Anti1619 Project laws are also introducing Voter Suppression laws. These things are going Hand In hand. The textbook you were just reading from, this is part of the lost Cause Narrative. The lost Cause Narrative is what justifies Jim Crow. It is a narrative that really erases the cause of the civil war. It really tries to saying black people were not ready for self rule, that black people could not self govern. That then justifies the enactment of laws that denied black people the right to vote and denied black people their citizenship right. Im really concerned what these laws mean, outside of the fact that theyre antithetical to the first amendment. That is going to lead to some very, very troublesome policies. We should really be concerned even though the laws seem silly. I dont think the emotions and the kind of really his teara that theyre intended to invoke is silly at all. I agree with you. Youre seeing these things enacted at the same time that some of the same voices are attacking black Lives Matter which a lot of young white people have joined, white people have joined. Maybe their parents and grandparents dont like. Youre seeing this national Security Threat of white nationalism that is actually threatening the lives of people in state capitals, what do you make of the fact that theyve now merged and fused this idea of critical race, which has nothing to do with k through 12 education, with the 1619 project . They basically turned the two things in the same thing. It is a way of vilifying your work and dragging your work into this dangerous narrative. Absolutely. I mean, this is really trying to take a turn. Most teachers have not heard nor studied critical Race Theory. Andteenliccally to use that to stoke resentment and also centric and hook it to the narrative of the 1619 project. Why is that . When we looked last year, right, these were the largest civil rights protests in the history of this country. A 99, 98 White Town in texas that had, you know, fought the federal government as late as the 1980s over segregation, was holding black Lives Matter marches. We saw in the polling the highest support for that movement. These werent just young liberals. They were speaking to the moderates, Conservative White Americans who were also looking at this and saying, oh, my god, my country isnt what i thought it was. So 1619 unsettles that narrative and in unsettling that narrative, people are afraid that it unsettles power. Thats what were seeing, is a need to hold on to Power And Divide that social movement toward justice by making white americans, at least a significant of them who will be susceptible to this message believe, no, youre under attack. Theyre trying to take your history. Theyve gone too far. And thats why wedding these together is working so successfully. Frankly, the media has played a big role in that, right . They were allowing republicans to really lead with this idea that, look at this bad diversity training. Thats critical Race Theory gone amuck. Those two things are not related whatsoever. By telling the stories in that way, weve really fallen victim to this propaganda campaign. You know, i have to tell you, first of all, one thing that the righter is very good at is branding. And because the critical Race Theory has the Word Race in it its easier to talk about the complex narratives in the 1619 project, they decided critical Race Theory, dragging a totally separate body of work into your work. I can tell you were trying to get kimberly crenshaw on. She created critical Race Theory. Were trying to make sure people understand the difference. Im waiting for scope trials. When the first first Amendment Case goes through, were back in that world. Its pretty scary. Nikole Hannah Jones, thank you for being here. Appreciate your time. 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In fact, no, i dont think either party, if it controlled if it were different from the president , would confirm a supreme Court Nominee in the middle of an election. What was different in 2020 was we were of the same party as the president. Well, mcconnell, The Bible might call It Wickedness in high places, aka evil. What hes also doing is daunting democrats, daring them to do something, anything. Lets be honest, so far democrats have not done a thing to punish his rotten behavior. Lets not forget in 2016 when mcconnell refused to even schedule a hearing for merrick garland. Once he was elected, mcconnell blew up the Filibuster Rule to confirm federalist judge neal gorsuch, calling that the Crowning Jewel of his time as Majority Leader. I do think the issue that you raise is the singlemost consequential thing that ive done in my time as Majority Leader of the senate, i preserved the Scalia Vacationancy for the gorsuch appointment. Suffering the same fate as merrick garland. 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Joining me now from charleston, West Virginia, cochair of the poor peoples campaign, i dont know if youre able to hear the young lady, who our great reporter was talking with. What are you hearing from West Virginians as you go around and talking to folks, bishop . Well, people are angry here in West Virginia. Theyre nonviolent but theyre angry. And it was over 300 people from West Virginia, ohio, kentucky. They said this man, Joe Manchin, is lying on them. 79 . Manchin is 15,000 people who make less than 15 an hour. Hes wrong when it comes to poor people. Hes wrong when it comes to infrastructure. 46. 7 of West Virginians cant even afford water. Today one of them said he was riding around in a porsche rather than doing right by poor people and another brother wanted me tell you, joy, in this country, we are the rulers of people. Hes acting like the people are the hired help. He can sell out to the u. S. Chamber of commerce, the Koch Brothers, and they have to do what he says and they have to do what he says. These are mountaineers and mountaineers say we are always free. Theyre coming to d. C. On the 23rd. They are angry. And they are saying this is not what their senator should be doing and start lying on them and saying hes doing it for West Virginians. West virginia is a very poor state overall. But its also not a very black state. You have a multiracial coalition behind you. People who work in the mining industry, people who are working lowwage jobs, who are white. So the perception has been that this people are rightwing, conservative, that Joe Manchin is doing what hes doing because they are conservative, these voters. Youre saying thats not what youre finding . Thats a bunch of foolishness. The fact of the matter, we make a mistake when we make Voting Rights and restoring the Voting Rights act, peoples act all about race. It is about race but its also about class. Dr. King said you have to understand aristocracy in this Country Fear poor and lowincome, black people and white people forming a coalition to change a nation. Thats how it always happens. By him doing what hes doing, hes forcing us to show that this is about a battle for democracy. It is racist, but its also class based. Weve got to challenge it. And im telling you, the people here in this state, the Coal Miners are just as hot as the people in the hood. The nurses are just as hot as the teachers. And what theyre saying is, look, hes serving the u. S. Chamber of commerce and not the u. S. Constitution. And by filibustering, hes blocking hes blocking the things that this state needs. Hes standing against his own state. They didnt send him here send him there for that, send him to the senate for that. And they are coming to drchlt c. , joy. Let me tell you, when you look at this state, youre right. Its one of the poorest states in the nation. But it also, West Virginia has a history they split from virginia because they didnt want to be like the rest of the south. And what they are saying is do right by us in this state. Why would a senator from West Virginia have his office in the Lotto Building . Maybe because hes gambling with peoples Health Care, living wages and peoples Voting Rights. Why would a senator from West Virginia stand against 15 and a union . Why would he stand against universal Health Care . Why would he join and encourage the West Virginia legislature in their passing of restrictive Voting Laws . When you suppress the vote guess what, you hurt poor folk in the mountains. You hurt black folk in the city. You hurt everybody. This is not about Democrat Verse republican and left versus right and conservative versus liberal. This is about right versus wrong. Yeah. This is a moral issue, constitutional issue and were going to stand and fight against it. Bishop William Barber in West Virginia. We might do nonviolent sitins in his office. The people here are ready to go. You do not mess with mountaineers. Thats the last thing you do is mess with mountaineers. Am i right, mountaineers . [ Crowd Chants ] we hear yall. Former Deputy Chief of staff to senator harry reid. I hope you were able to hear that, senator reid, because they did vote overwhelmingly. Its a low turnout state. Thats not what i just heard. What do you make of what you heard from those mountaineers and Bishop Barber . That was an incredibly important message. The work Bishop Barber is doing is incredibly important. Im glad to hear that those folks are coming to d. C. Thats a critical need right now. Overall whether Senator Manchin is representing West Virginians or not, one other piece of evidence, his opposition to the filibuster and for the people act are not being done on behalf of West Virginians is the simple fact as recently as six months ago Senator Manchin was a cosponsor of the for the people act. If its so toxic to West Virginia or so dramatically opposed by people from West Virginia, that questions why he himself was a cosponsor of it in the last conference. I think something else is going on. Then lets talk about whats going on. I have been this has been puzzling me, too, adam. You have him being a cosponsor, as you said, of the for the people act. U. S. Chamber of commerce and Koch Brothers organization, Americans For Prosperity, put out a list of things they would like mr. Manchin to be against. Hes now against all of them. He also is stalling on an Infrastructure Bill that a state as poor as West Virginia could very much need. Is that how it works, organizations like the u. S. Chamber, like Americans For Prosperity simply dictate to senators and then those senators do what theyre told . Is that how it works . Well, you know, its complicated. Money plays a big role in politics. It certainly has played an even bigger role since the 2010 supreme Court Decision in citizens united. Now we have not just Campaign Contributions to think about, but the way these groups are able to fund outside organizations, super pacs, c4s, those kinds of things. I think something else is going on here. I think Senator Manchin is very caught Up In something that senators get very wrapped Up In, which is sort of this inside the belt way ethos, an obsession with bipartisanship. I think they often fool themselves into thinking theyre living in the West Wing episode. And so i think its a combination of factors here. And, you know, a Big One is this idea that hes going to save the country by demonstrating bipartisanship. He said this in a number of interviews. And i think thats just rather silly. Him and Susan Collins coming together on a bill is not going to change the historic forces that are working on this population and driving us into a polarized state that were in right now. I think that what he is able to do something more achievable, which is to either deliver results for the people he represents or not. Yeah. It really comes down to that choice. So far hes choosing not to deliver those things and i think thats a poor choice. Hes up for reelection in 2024. It isnt about whether they vote for the record Donald Trump. That was a president ial vote. Quet, Joe Manchin, is what did you do . What did you deliver for those people . That state is awfully poor for having a senator who seems so powerful. Think about that, sir. Adam, always great to have you here. The aftermath of trumps Big Lie is still playing out in statehouses across the country. Thankfully, Stacey Abrams is here to tell us about a Big Push this summer for action on the federal level protecting Voting Rights. And thats after this quick break. Rights and thats after this quick break. Jeffs been to the bottom of the ocean. The tops of mountains. And wherever this guy runs off to. 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And while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her Xfinity Internet and tv services. It only takes about a minute. Wait, a minute . But what have you been doing for the last two hours . Delegating . Oh, good one. Move your xfinity services without breaking a sweat. Xfinity makes moving easy. Go online to transfer your services in about a minute. Get started today. The Big Lie that the election was stolen pushed a pushed by a wannabe autocrat and his feckless followers is starting to have real consequences for the future of our democracy. The associated press reports that County Officials who run elections are quitting or retiring early. After facing threats and intimidation, during the 2020president ial election and its aftermath. And the possibility of punishment, in some states. That potentially opens up those jobs to various kooks and conspiracy theorists. And in arizona, we have seen what those conspiracies lead to with the states ongoing election fraudit. But, because, you know, Cyber Ninjas searching for bamboo and ballots in the Chicken Poop Wasnt bonkers enough, republicans are now to outsource that to other states. They are clearly meant to undermine faith in american democracy. And according to the brennen center, there are currently 389 suppression bills in 48 states. The senate could counter those efforts by passing the for the people act, which would expand Voting Rights. But with Joe Manchin in opposition, its chances of passing arent looking so great. Thats why, as we enter this hotvax summer, Stacey Abrams is launching her hot call summer campaign. Asking their supporters to call candidates every day. And i am joined now by Stacey Abrams, founder of fair Fight Action and author of Our Time Is Now available in paperback now, which is a great book. And, stacy, part of what we are seeing with these fake audits which are, also, now, apparently, Georgia Republicans are interested in bringing it to your state. Part of it seems, to me, that its gotv. Its way to excite their base by saying dont worry, we wont let the black people vote. But whats scary is it actually could stop a lot of people of color and young people from voting. How worried are you that these efforts, as ludicrous as some of them are, will actually impede Peoples Ability to vote . Well, im im deeply concerned because its worked before. We keep forgetting that Voter Suppression isnt new. And these are variations on the theme. I i talk about it in Our Time Is Now that Voter Suppression began with the inception of this nation. But what has happened, in the 21st century, is that its been digitized. Its been commoditized and its been franchised out of the south and across the country. And what we are seeing with the fake audits, with the intimidation of election workers. With the criminalization of simply doing the job of managing democracy. We are seeing attacks, on all levels of our democracy. And we should be deeply concerned about it. But we should, also, remember that its our democracy and we have the right a reassert ourselves and to push back. And thats why we are doing Hotcall Summer and why we are reaching out to everysingle senator. Calling on each of them, to do their job and to pass the for the people act. I want you to explain about how people can get involved in it because you are right. Its not just Joe Manchin. There there are 50 of them and its not clear that there are not, you know, even ten of em, who are on the same side as him. With 389 bills in 48 states. Every state, except delaware and vermont, is now pushing to make it harder to vote. And again, i think its partly gotv but were talking about you are also seeing limiting the power of secretaries of state. Or taking away their power, nay if they dont do as they are told. Its bad enough to have a Secretary Of State in your state that said i am going to make this electorate perfect for myself, and then i am going to run for governor. What will it mean if some of these reallyoutthere people, get the job of Secretary Of State . So, we have got to pay attention to the fact these laws do things. One, they are antivoter. They are designed to stop voters the republicans found inconvenient in this last election. Namely, young people, people of color, the disabled. Number two, these are antielection worker bills. They are designed to get good people to abandon their post. To criminalize those, who still want to do their job. And to replace them with those, who will undermine the administration of elections. And, three, they are designed to subvert democracy. And the challenge is, to the extent we have secretaries of state, who support and suborn this behavior, they are hastening the demise of our democracy and this is not hyperbole. This is exactly what happens across the world when, you know, past, longstanding democracies start to erode. It begins by undermining how people feel not about the democracy that they have but about the administration of that democracy. And what this is intended to do to convince voters that it is not worth the effort, to your point, about being gotv. Its to convince those, who decided to show up for the first time. Who, you know, decided they were going to push through those barriers, once more, thats not worth it and its trying to convince those who want to believe the Big Lie that there is something in it for them, on the other side. That, if they break done democracy, they get something better on the other side. Unfortunately, we know that is autocracy. It is not designed for their benefit and not designed for americas benefit. So what do we do . We talk on our calls when we do our calls like what is the plan . What is the pushback . What do we do . So, number one, go to stopjimcrow 2. Com. But we are asking everywhere to call their u. S. Senators, both of them. Call them every day. The number is 8884533211. 8884533211. When you call that number, its its painless. We will connect you to your u. S. Senator. Both, the first one. Then, you talk to that person. Then, you call back and do the second one. And yes, there are going to be some u. S. Senators who wont answer the phone, who wont return your call. Who will argue with you. But this is not about them. This is about them knowing that you know who they are. You know what you deserve. And that we are putting citizenship above above partisanship. We need a Hotcall Summer because they need to know that they cannot withstand the force of the american people when we decide to protect our democracy. And you have been an elected official, stacey. You know the power of Big Money and you know win of the reasons Big Money oppose s 1 is because it would go at the Big Money. A lot of people feel powerless against that kind of big, dark money. How do we defeat it . We have to remember that politicians are often motivated by money, peer pressure, or attention. And if we dont have the money to sway them, we can get to them with attention by calling out those who are doing right. And calling out those who are not doing their jobs. And then, its peer pressure. Its getting those, who are standing on the side of right. Giving them all of the Attention And Support we can. And forcing the other side to recognize that, if they want to keep their jobs, they have to do their jobs and protect our democracy. Money is the easiest way to do it but we have got the power of the people, behind us. And if people stand up, especially those who showed up and changed the future of the world in 2020 and in january, 2021, here in georgia. If we can do that, we can do this. And Hotcall Summer is how we are going to get this done. Have you talk today people, like warnock . Senator warnock . About whether or not they believe that this kind of a strategy can work . Because hes got a run. Hes in this hes in this 22 he is on that ballot. Absolutely. We know there are a number of u. S. Senators who stand to lose their elections in 2022 if we do not protect our democracy. But we also have to remember that, beyond each, individual candidate, its about who we are, as a people. As a nation. Are we willing to lose our nation, to those who had the failed insurrection in january, and decided to franchise it to Everysingle State . The insurrection is continuing, and we have got to stop it in its tracks with the for the people act through Hotcall Summer. Stacey abrams, if you will tweet all of that information out, put it in a tweet. I will retweet it and our show will as well. Thank you very much, Stacey Abrams. All in with Chris Hayes starts right now. Tonight, on all in. Prosecution of Capitol Rioters continues in the republicans selling the big Lie Start cashing in, again. Tonight, the latest turn in the slowmotion insurrection. Then, first, it was the media. Then, the democrats. Now, his own white House Counsel . Who wasnt Donald Trump spying on . With the reporter who broke the mcgahn news. Plus. Everyone in that room, today, understood the shared appreciation, quite frankly, that america is back. As the

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