But we had Phil Mickelson getting mugged walking down the 18th fairway. I didnt have to add to it. The story spoke for itself. Joe, sometimes you have to go with the story. And sometimes you dont make the story about you, right . Exactly. Exactly. Reporter that will never get you anywhere on this show. He wants to be you heard this. He wants to be our golf correspondent. Lets give him another shot with the u. S. Open. U. S. Open coming up in about audition. Lets get to the news. Hold on, i want to ask so, willie, this is the front page of the new york post. Is it really that bad out there . The graffiti . Its like 1977 again . No, its just a lot of challenges. Theres a lot more than there was a few years ago. But the most important is on the other side of that. The New York Knicks season ended last night. The hands of that young player, named trae young, a phenom, so fun to watch and living up to the moment, packed garden, he was the villain, he bowed after he hit the three that was the dagger to end it. That guy, trae young, having his momentum. Hes a superstar. I was born in atlanta and been suffering with the hawkes and the falcons for, you know, well, since the late 1960s. I think the last time i saw a hawkes game was dominique wilkins, but i started watching this guy is just incredible. The teams really good. Its solid. Hes 22 years old, too. He has a big future ahead of him. Hes been a little bit anonymous down in atlanta, but this year, this has been his coming out party. The garden full, booing him every time he got the ball and he was just drinking it in. He loved it. It was reggie miller. Exactly. It felt the same way. So front page, the lead in the times is netanyahu may be replaced. Stop me if youve heard this story before. Ive read this headline about six times. It seems like a fragile coalition. Do you think its going to hold up . Weve got two hurdles. One is over the next 10, 12 days, between now and midjune. Can they get a vote of confidence in the israeli knesset, in the parliament. That means bibi doesnt pull away two or three people before that. If they get through that, then the hard part starts. Theyve got a government. And the only thing they can agree on is their opposition to bibi. This is an end zone coalition, not a unity coalition. So what they can actually do, whether they can hang together, odds are against it. There are a lot of people that are looking to say, well get bibi out. Is it really going to change policy that much . No, because the new Prime Minister is at least as far to the right if not farther than bibi. They can probably agree on some domestic policy. This bridge or that. Formally in the coalition, one of the eight parties is an arab islamist party. And youll remember a few weeks ago, you had the 2 million israeli arabs, you saw really fighting and friction between them. This is the first time. And their agenda is to basically, i wont use the expression, but their agenda is to provide money and resources for israelis arab and islamic minority. Its an interesting moment in islamic policies. We had the mares debate. How were things breaking that way . A lot of people were yelling and screaming and trying to get attention. I dont think it worked. I actually think Katherine Garcia did well by not having looking for a lot of air time. And scott stringer, maya wiley, good friend of the show. They really tried to break out. But i still think its it comes down to eric adams and andrew yang. And eddie andrew yang is going to be on the show today. Washington post, in voting fights, all eyes on joe manchin. Im trying to think of the last time a senator had as much power as joe manchin has right now and right now, all eyes remain on him, three months in. We have to get a sense of what are the actual motivations behind manchins position. It could very well be a principled commitment to the filibuster, to the institution of the senate. But hold on a second. There are professors thinking about, what are the principles when a politician thinks this, how do i get his vote. And can they get his vote . But in this moment of crisis, it seems to me that thats important for a politician, but, you know, i think that the state of the country, right, is also important, right . The health of our democracy is so important. And so i think its really clear, if the republicans continue to play the game that theyve played, one has to ask the question, what is this commitment to bipartisanship that joe manchin keeps talking about. When it doesnt evidence itself at every turn. And at the they need his vote. And the most important turns. Yeah. The white house is Calling For A Quote Summer Of Freedom as the president pushes to get as Many Americans as possible vaccinated by july 4th. Its not the summer of love. Today were announcing a monthlong effort to pull out all the stops, all the stops to free ourselves from this virus and get to 70 of adult americans vaccinated. Were going to continue encouraging people to get vaccinated, with incentives and fun rewards. The nba, the nhl, nascar, nascar tracks, theyre offering vaccines outside Playoff Games and at races. Major League Baseball will be offering free tickets to people who get vaccinated at the ballpark. And to top it off, anheuserbusch announced that beer is on them on july the 4th. Thats right. Get a shot and have a beer. The vaccine is free. Its safe, and its effective. Getting the vaccine is not a partisan act. The science was done under democratic and Republican Administrations as a matter of fact, the first vaccines were authorized under a republican president. And right here, you could get a morning joe cookie made by t. J. s wife if you get vaccinated. Anyone here need one . Youre all vaccinated, right . Everybody in the room vaccinated . T. J. Had a lot of time this year to start a business. So he started that. You do have to diversify. I love them, though. Theyre so pretty. Love them. Thats cool, have a beer, get a vax. On that speech, jon meachams first draft said summer of love. So meacham, obviously, born late for 1967, but joe changed that to Summer Of Freedom. And it certainly is if People Choose it. Ive noticed soul of america has been popping up as a term in a lot of joe biden speeches later. I feel the hand of meacham in those words. The numbers were going to cross 70 if things continue to trend in the direction that theyre going 16 million additional adults will have to get their first shot by july 4th to hit that 70 threshold. But if you go back to listening to dr. Fauci and others and that Herd Immunity Number they talked about was always in the 70, 75 range. So the truth is, for all the consternation weve had, were doing really well at this. And we can cross that threshold on july the 4th, with some of these incentives. Its an Important National deadline, but richard haas, of course, the big issue is getting the world vaccinated or we could see a repeat or a resurgent or some strain coming back to haunt us. It will happen. Lets be honest, you know, youve got 8 billion people out there. Were not even close, in many countries, not even the Health Care Workers have been vaccinated. You have the variants appear in places like india. Nothing stays local. Sooner or later, it circulates. Theres only a couple of ways to do it. We have to produce and export much more from here. I think were making a mistake by not doing it. Or Build Capacity around the world so other countries can produce vaccines. Its a way we can, Susan Del Percio, lead, and show americas strength and preeminence again, i think, by making sure that were pushing it out there. And it also helps get rid of the past four years, where it was america first, america only. And now we can change that dynamic and our reputation around the world again, or restore it, so that we are leading, we are providing the vaccinations. We are a global leader. Not that we werent, but we certainly werent acting like one. And i think thats whats so critical, especially when it comes to some of the Supply Chain Issues and getting to continents like africa. Its going to be a huge undertaking. And there was a point where russia and china were really trying to fill the void of the United States. Were still at that point. Were still at that point. And thats concerning, i think, internationally. So i hope very soon the astrazeneca vaccinations will be out there and we move forward in our position. And Scott Gottlieb was saying yesterday that were going to have enough vaccines for the world, that were producing them quickly. I also heard yesterday, joe biden Say Something that weve been talking about for a couple of weeks here, which is, hey, republicans, you have a reason to embrace this. It was a Republican Administration that made the right bets. Did the things right that the eu did wrong. Theres a place to go. Theres a reason why. And so i think its great that the white house is saying, your guy, donald trump, and the Administration Made some really smart bets. And they did. They did a lot of things wrong. Yes, yes, yes, everybody take a deep breath, get a bag, breathe into it. Its going to be okay. Youre not going to pass out. Youre not going to pass out, okay . Its going to be all right . He made some really good choices. The eu did not. And thats why joe biden was in a position and great with logistics to do something that donald trump didnt do. This is something we can celebrate. Republicans have a reason to get a shot for their man, if thats how they think. I would personal do it for the health of my family. But if people are that screwed up that they have to identify with a politician for their Health Care Choices i wouldnt even call him a politician. A cult leader. My god. Okay. Please. Your honor. Okay. Alex . Alex . Can you please . We all know its true. I want to be home. With me . 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the past year. You dont full the need to have this blurt. Weve switched roles again. Theres a reason that we can all be proud as americans and embrace this vaccine. There is, joe. And heres what im just so surprised about from the day joe biden was inaugurated Going Forward is how this didnt become a National Patriot mission for our country. Like, the fact to the republicans fought the Covid Relief Package the way they did, besides being a terrible political mistake, it was just simply not patriotic. Thats our duty to each other. I mean, were sitting around this table because, in fact, of Operation Warp speed. And because the distribution happened. But why americans arent willing to really embrace it and celebrate what weve done, even if you want to look at how poorly other nations did and say, were number. I dont know what it has to be to get that message out. But it should be something that is uniting us. The british do that. Boris johnson said, do out and get that. You dont see the resistance from the far right in britain. Yeah, theres a certain percentage in this country, eddie, thats just not going to get the shot. We know that, that i have told us that. But to put the frame a little bit differently on this, were doing really well. Well cross 70 by the fourth of july. That number will tick up as we go through the. And the truth of the matter is, it was a function built by Operation Warp speed, and pharmaceutical companies, doctors, scientists, the Biden Administration getting the distribution out there. It is something that its okay to celebrate something once in a while. We view everything through this frame of cynicism and pessimism, but too many people died. Thats true. A lot of people who shouldnt have died did die. But now weve come together as a country to vaccinate ourselves and get life ticked back to normal. Its okay to celebrate something without having to read it through the lens of republicans and democrats, right . Without having to overdetermine it by the hyperpartisanship that defines our country. Without having to own the libs, without having to virtue signal. But rather, right, the fact that our mothers, our fathers, our aunts, our uncles, our cousins, our nephews, were getting to a place where we can be safe. Where we can imagine what normality might be as we try to figure out how to live with the reality of covid19. And i saw a quote from donald trump somewhere a couple of days ago sag, im proud of the vaccine. People should be proud to go out and get the vaccine. We should be proud. And what they did with warp speed is quite risky, to accelerate, telescope the entire process, to make a Bet On Mass Production of vaccines is a gutsy choice. One other thing were seeing which to me is really interesting. A lot of the people in europe and asia that did really well early on including the australias and germanys and despite everything they did, the masking, the social distancing, all the responsible vaccine, without vaccine, theyre now seeing the virus really ramp up. So vaccines are an essential tool and we were ahead on that. Brits have caught up because of vaccines. You can only go so far with all the other approaches. You need vaccines. We tried all the other approaches. And you saw some states doing very well early on. You saw, well, thats fantastic. And then you would see younger americans go out because there was less of a risk, and these states that were doing better three, four, five weeks later start to go down. Youre going to have younger americans in this situation go out, pick up the virus, theyre asymptomatic, they pass it to their families. Perhaps its a coincidence, but oil fields are blowing up in iran. Ships are blowing up in iran. And it appears that ran, who has been making the life of not just israel, but the United States difficult, it appears that somebody, and the presumption is always israel, but it appears that somebody is sending a message back to the iranians that this road goes both ways. Were seeing two things. On the nuclear side, were seeing presumably the israelis do certain covert actions because the iranians continue to march towards a threshold of real nuclear capability, in terms of enriching uranium. And then you see this lowlevel war in the region including shipping in the persian gulf, the iranians have been doing certain things, now certain things are being done to them. The middle east was is, and for a time to come, will be the messiest part of the world. But you have a lowlevel informal war is too strong of a war, its just not peace in this region. What do you make of the iranian ships going, traveling down on the african coast and heading, we think, toward the atlantic. That seems like a very i dont know how to say venezuela in farsi, but i thin there is a look, cuba, iran, you have this my guess is theres help heading it could be there, from one of the triangle countries. Look, you dont have to be a great power to be a global power. And iran is a pretty good example of that. All right. Still ahead on morning joe, dr. Anthony fauci will be our guest this morning. Plus, my exclusive sitdown interview with House Speaker nancy pelosi. 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Get in your house now lets go protecting the white house with coronavirusproof barricades. And showing us its safe to once again worship. Him. In that moment, holding the bible up is a very important symbol. Like churchill, we saw him inspecting the bombing damage, it sent a powerful mental of leadership. Yes, and all winstons Fried Chicken had to do is shoot away some rabblerousers. The protest was peaceful. It was a photo op. The protest was not peaceful. Why did you go to st. Johns the other day . What was the message you wanted to send to people . Religious leaders thought it was great. They loved it. True, just ask any religious leader. The bible is not a problem. It makes a mockery of christianity. It was an act that mocked god. You just dont do that, mr. President it isnt cool and nobody knows cool like kid turtleneck. This just in, a fox news poll shows biden is up 14 points. But dont be bamboozled. I know all of you are freaking about the polls. Well, the experts say biden is way ahead. Its his election to lose. The socalled experts are just horribly wrong. Yes, take it from her, shes horrible and wrong. This has been this week in covid history. Like churchill inspecting the bombing during the blitz. Like churchill. My goodness. That was a line, clearing the park of Peaceful Protesters, so he could hold the bible the wrong way. Upside down. Pat robertson going, its not cool that was only one year ago. It speaks for itself. I remember a certain oklahoma senator saying, ive been to sunday school my entire life, ive never seen anybody hold a bible that way. Or clear a square to get to church. Former President Donald Trump has discontinued his blog after just 29 days. Once touted by his advisers as a, quote, beacon of freedom, the site suffered from low readership. On the last day it was live, the site received just 1,500 shares. Thats not good. And comments. A stark contrast to the amount of a engagement the former president s tweets used to create. Jason miller said the nowshuttered project was an auxiliary to the broader efforts we have and are working on. Lets bring in a reporter for the Washington Post, eugene scott. Eugene, good morning. This was build as the place where trump fans and supporters could go to get their daily dose of donald trump from the desk of the former president of the United States. What happened here. People just didnt go check it out . Well, most people just were not interested and have moved on from wanting to hear from the former president on a daily basis. Or multiple times a day, as we were used to hearing. And as you know, the Technology Behind this blog was not the most current and forwardthinking, and so it really exposed the former president to quite a bit of mocking, making people feel like that he was not at the forefront of communication or technology or any of the things that he and his team constantly say that hes a leader on. And people just engage disengage, should i say . And Many Americans are really ready to move on. Theres a new president , theres a new agenda, theres a new focus. And despite the popularity that donald trump is experiencing in the Republican Party, he remains a largely unpopular person with americans at large. Eugene, Susan Del Percio here. Do you think well see that slowdown also within his rallies, or are we going to see a good turnout, or what he would deem a good turnout . If youre not getting paid attention to on a blog, what do you think the Rally Response will be . Well, we know that trump is still popular with republicans. But whats really important to know is that the number of people who selfidentify as republicans in 2021 is actually smaller than the number in 2016. So there should be a decrease in attendance at these rallies, especially since what he will be saying, he cannot turn into policy or action in the same way he could when he actually occupied the white house. All right. The Washington Posts eugene scott, thank you so much. Really appreciate that. One thing to say, theres a lot of snacker around the blog and nobody read it. It looks like something from 2002. Donald trump still has his people. The blog didnt work out. He can get his message out other ways. But weve been talking about this for weeks. If you cast the vote again today, he might lose 100 or 200 of the people who voted for him. But hes still close to 75 million. The people who love him love him and will show up at his rallies. Dealing with the aftereffects of the January 6th Riot and the debate over that, and that is all about him. But you would think the riot would have changed thing, you would think this would have changed things. Its not changing anything. My friends that voted for donald trump, theyre still voting for donald trump. My Family Members voted theyre still voting for him. The man who called you a murderer. 1 6, it was bad, but donald trump doing, it was bad, but. But theyre really happy not talking about him. They dont want to talk about him. I will say this. So many dont want to talk about him. Theyre exhausted by him. Like, theyre exhausted defending him. You know, republicans on the hill, who was it that said that if theyre Barbara Comstock said that if donald trump got lost and there were a search party, republicans on the hill would be like, let him go. But theyll vote for him again. They may not like him, they dont like him and they dont want to talk about him. But theyll vote for him. Its the idea of donald trump in some ways more than the daytoday reality. It is just tribal. And if its not about donald trump, its about nancy pelosi or aoc or Bernie Sanders or elizabeth warren. Theyre trying turn joe biden into godzilla. Its not really working when he goes out. Come on, yall, malarkey. Have a beer. Its not working. Bidens not working. Its really kind of entertaining watching them twist themselves up trying to figure out exactly how to justify the vote for trump. But make no mistake of it, eddie, they will justify the vote for trump. That score board right now still is at 75 million. So what what do you think the effects of the rallies will be . Part of trumps presence, of course, and what hes been doing with the big lies has been in some ways playing in peril the legitimacy of our electoral process. So to have a former president , i think this is really unprecedented, a former president going out this early, having these sorts of rallies, saying what he probably will say, given his obsession around you never know. Kiss was big in 1975. By 11980, you know its a great show, but i think im just going to stay at home and, you know, listen to donald trump is gene simmons, is that what youre suggesting . Im just saying, its a big show, like the first time kiss came around. Everybody wanted to go see him in 75. But 1980, it was kind of like i think the clash is coming next week. Lets wait for them. Maybe trump, maybe kiss is just as big five years later, but summer is coming, people want to go outside. Dont think its going to be like 2015 and 2016. I dont know. Am i wrong . I think this is a theory of history, the kiss theory of history. I think you should i think this is your next book. The kiss theory of history. I like it. 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Thats Mitch Mcconnell, at least making very clear that he was there, he saw what happened. Not sure we agree with his vote, but he said that people will be arrested and convicted. Worth noting, fair . Well, they are, actually. They are, every day. Fbi, i think, is doing a great job. I am a little curious about, richard, i look at some of the sentencing that some of these people are getting, that admit what they did was going on to the senate floor to stop a constitutional counting of votes and theyre getting one to three years. When, if you read the statute, i mean, thats called sedition. Where you act violently to stop a constitutional action from taking place. And its a 20year term. Up to 20 years. So why one to three years when the statute itself says and these judges are never going to have anybody, we hope, that will have acted in more of a direct way, for a conspiracy to act sedition than what happened on january the 6th. And yet theyre giving one to threeyear sentences for something that should be 20 years. One gets the sense that the Legal Process is looking at it as a disorderly crime situation, if you will. And thats why you need the commission. The commission provides the political context. This is not an apolitical event where people happened to gather place and things, quote, got out of hand. Thats the way the legal system is approaching it. Thats exactly the case for the commission. You need to weave together the political context. Thats what this country needs in order to learn from it. And we would learn new things. Thats where the former Majority Leader is dead wrong. And worst comes to worst, we didnt learn a whole lot. I would be willing to pay that price as a taxpayer, but 9 11 commission, we learned a lot, not simply what happened, but you weave it together and tell a story. Thats the important civics thing here. There has got to be an Educational Learning experience across the board. Its not a narrow, legal, Law And Order experience. Conservative attorney George Conway has a new piece in the Washington Post entitled republican senators failure to investigate january 6th is worse than their impeachment failure. He writes in part, republican senators have managed to outdo themselves in cowardice, which is quite a feat. There is no excuse, none, for what they did last week. They quiver in fear of the man who cost them the presidency in both houses of congress. As they continue to quake, the big lies cancer upon democracy grows, with spurious Election Audits in pursuit of fantasies of fraud and some claiming, reportedly including trump himself, that hell be reinstated in due course. Four years of trump have led to the Republican Party becoming a threat to democracy, a declining sect dominated by crackpots, charlatans and cowards. Of these, its the cowards, including the senators who killed last weeks legislation, who bear most of the blame. Joining us now, political scientist and election analyst, rachael biddercoffer, and writer and journalist, matthew iglasius. I know there are many more reasons, because of the state of voters in america right now, but to get trump off their back with this commission. To really call out what happened every step of the way. Drawing lines between important factors that played a role in what continues to be an erosion to our democracy. You know, the 75 Million People that i said would vote for donald trump tomorrow, day dont want donald trump off their back. And so these republican senators and congressmen and congresswomen dont want donald trump off their back. So rachel, what do you do about it . Youve got to get conways message to a broader public. Even the way we talk about What Mcconnell is doing is really not hammering home whats happening, right . They are blocking the commission, not for any reason other than theyre afraid it goes up, right . We were talking about these disproportionate penalties or the light sentences, but the disproportion is going at those foot soldier levels. We really need a Public Inquiry that looks upwards, particularly to see, did roger stone have an involvement . Right, we know he had connection to some of the proud boys that were arrested. We need these answers and if we cant get them in a bipartisan commission, it doesnt much matter if we do a partisan commission. Because if it were bipartisan, they would frame it as a witch hunt. Its very good to go aggressively. Thats what strike pac is all about. I tell people, its a were machine, and thats a tough pill to swallow for liberals in general. Were generally peace makers. But our campaign has left us in the position where we are watching democracy collapse. It is time. Its kind of like being attacked in pearl harbor. We had pearl harbor. Weve been living through it. Its been a slowrunning event, but with trumps comments about Election Integrity from the beginning, i mean, beginning of the president ial cycle, we now see about 35 of our fellow americans think that joe biden stole the presidency and theyre seeing that message reinforced all throughout their ecosystem. And many people who voted in what i call the against trump coalition, theyve tuned back out. They are complacent. I showed you guys a survey in the spring that showed republicans are much more likely to say democracy is fragile. Not democrats. And theyre the ones that are dismantling it. So strike pac is about bringing a Brand Offensive against the whole of the Republican Party. Its not just about donald trump, but it definitely includes him. But its all of them. Theyre either silent or active enablers of a domestic Terror Attack on our nations capitol, with them sitting inside, and its time for us to go heavy after the gop hammered their brand, make 2022 a referendum on them. So, matthew, what i read your newsletter. I think its an important newsletter. Whats the democrat what is the whats the Democratic Partys best move . Rachel says that democrats really dont know how to fight like republicans. I tend to think that is extraordinarily true. Its just a completely different mindset when you approach an election. But whats the democrats best move right now . You know, i mean, i agree, its good to move forward with an inquiry. Its good to hit them. Trump is super popular among republicans. You were talking about kiss before. But i do think hes a little bit of an embarrassing, unpopular figure with the broader public. Its good to remind people of that. But i also think that this substance of politics matters, right . I mean, a lot of people vote for the Republican Party because they see it as a check on Democratic Party policy aspirations that alarm them. Its not a coincidence that joe biden did very well. Democrats did really well if georgia, with jon ossoff, raphael warnock, running on the idea of giving money to people. A simple lunch bucket kind of message. And democrats need to think about still, voters who voted for barack obama and defected to donald trump, i think because democrats shifted their position on immigration and some other cultural issues further to the left. And thats probably a Course Correction democrats want to make. They want to go back to some of those rural white, probably less religious, lowerincome voters, who have voted for democrats in the past and can vote for democrats again, but clearly arent persuaded, just by the critique of donald trump. So, matthew, i was going to let willie ask the next question, but i have two people at the desk, shaking their heads furiously, saying, go back to the center. No no again, i say, no you brought up a great point. Barack obama was in ezra kleins podcast the other day and barack obama said, well, you know, the reason because ezra ask, why did you get all of these votes from these White Working Class dudes. Well, you know, even though my views were very progressive on Lbgtq Issues And Da da da, you point out the fact, its a nice thing to say in 2021, but they werent. Ten years ago, barack obama was saying that as a christian, he believed that marriage was between a man and a woman. When joe biden came out and blurted out that he thought that went rogue went rogue and said, no, its not that limited. Joe biden was put in the corner for months. And so there is some revisionism. Im not trying to rain on anybodys parade. Im just saying, democrats dont need to fool themselves into believing what barack obama stood for and what he didnt stand for. And you talked about this yesterday. Explain yeah, i mean, look, obama is a really smart politician. East an incredibly charismatic speaker and an appealing guy on a lot of levels, but he played hardball politics. When Marriage Equality was unpopular, he was against it. The polling shifted. Some biden gifts helped shift things. But he delivered especially on immigration. He tried to portray himself. He wanted a path to citizenship for people. He did daca to try to help young people who hadnt done anything wrong. But he always positioned himself in favor of border security. He positioned the idea of a sort of amnesty as a way to target Law Enforcement resources at dangerous criminals, right . Not as a kind of broad opposition to immigration enforcement. Now, on some of these issues, democrats have moved left, because the country has moved left, right . To run on obamas position on marriage from 2008 in 2024, would be crazy. And nobody would do it. But obama as a practical politician, he paid close attention to what people thought. He paid close attention to the electoral map. And he imposed a lot of Message Discipline on his campaign. You know, you talk to people who worked as surrogates during the reelection campaign. And theyll tell you, its like, somebody would come burn your house down if you went offscript. They really thought they knew what the voters in the pivotal states wanted to hear and they stuck to that. And on immigration, matt brings up a great point, too. Barack obama was constantly getting hammered by proimmigrant groups. And the preposterousness of donald trump talking about building the wall and the southern border being porous, barack obama drove illegal Border Crossings to a 50year low. That was recognized by a lot of people who voted for him twice. Its why he was the first democratic president since fdr to win a Majority Vote two times. He was a tough politician. And he knew where the center of American Politics was. Nicknamed the deporter in chief, as a matter of fact,. Thats what they called him. Thats what they called him. So weve got the professor, ill give you your turn. Rachael, lets start with you. As you were listening to that case for where democrats should be going right now, obviously, a lot of concerns coming up in 2022. If the house flips back, theres already a minor margin. Obviously, the senate is tied 50 50. What does that mean for the country, even with a democratic president . Youre august to democrats running in 2022, telling them what . And i deal with data, i deal in data. And you know, one of the things that people need to understand is that, yeah, they did have a lot of Message Discipline during the obama era and they got hammered in 2010 and 2014, right . And theres more than one way to skin a cat, willie. Let me tell you. Rather than rebut the other guests assumption of how to solve the problem of this deassignment, democrats have a realignment of their own to exploit. Collegeeducated voters of all races, but particularly whites who had been voting for the gop and are now looking at it and are thinking, im not really liking this hot mess, right . If you go hard after their brand, and do that lots of ways. This ad that weve cut out goes after the gop in a positive, campy way, but its about taking their ownership of the economy away. Its about showing, hey, americans, all the stuff that you like right now, guess who it came from . The democrats, right . You want to keep these benefits that are going to start rolling into your bank accounts, families with parents. You want to make sure you show up and keep control of congress. You have to make, as joe said, and this is what strike pac does, because i made studying the election and engineering a message in my career, you have to give what the gop is giving. Pure, emotive, adrenaline rush, stakes framing, somebody i think, bill was talking about policy as being a motivator, but they be he cited that the democrats dont do any policy, they run against the democratic brand. That is their strategy. Lets take a look at the ad youre talking about. All right. Its time for a headtohead. Whos really winning on the economy . Is it democrats or republicans . Stat number one. Overall, economic growth. Thats an early win for dems with nearly double the score and whos created more jobs . Whoa slam dunk, democrats. Millions more in the past decades. Its starting to feel like a blowout. But what about the stock market . Dems hit it out of the park. Its a triple crown win, win, win for the dems. So what do republicans bring . Oh, 10 out of the last 11 recessions. Im expecting to see big wheels trucks crashing over, whatever, republicans. Eddie, you reality related t. Aesthetically, it looked like an ad i would see on fox news. It had all of those elements of stuff that i would see coming from your former side of the aisle, right . This is the only one that could pass the, hey, we dont have a Ratings System for political ads yet, so nc17. So they couldnt even show the whole ad. Oh, wow like, were bringing the hammer. So matthew, im just curious about what your thoughts have been about where we are in 2021. I go back to 2009, 2010, that seems to be what republicans are following up on. The going back to the antiobama playbook. And i remember 08, 09, 010, the numbers for obamacare were always, always tough it was always a pitched battle. Do you think Mitch Mcconnell may be playing from that old playbook one time too many. You look at the numbers on policy, bidens own numbers. Its far different today than it was in 09 and 10. What do you think . I think the biggest difference is the economic situation. Obamas first year in office, the economy was still declining. Things were getting worse and worse and worse. So you could obstruct him from doing anything, you could say, oh, your life is getting worse. The best hope for biden is people are getting vaccinated, the economy is growing. That was his basic promise to us. I liked that ad that rachael showed. Its trying to say, look, your life will get better with democrats. That wasnt really happening in 2009 2010, right . I think obama can say it happened later in his administration, but it wasnt happening at the time of those midterms. And thats, i think, the number one priority for democrats, is to make sure peoples lives are Getting Better in concrete ways and talk to the public about what it is they are doing to make that happen. So, you know, for now, bidens numbers are good. The midterms are always difficult. Its not unusual for the incumbent partys numbers to collapse later in the cycle. But for now, you know, democrats are in pretty good shape. And i think should follow the current course of what theyre doing. But theyve got to hope we get good jobs numbers tomorrow. At the end of the day, joe, i just want the Democratic Party to know that it will not be successful if it things it can be republican lite. Ive never heard that before. It cannot be successful in this moment. I want to just suggest that i think and maybe im wrong here, i think theres a political realignment in terms of the ideological spectrum in the United States, right . The age of reagan, to my mind, its fundamentals have collapsed and interesting, if you agree with that claim, the Democratic Party that was constituted to respond to it has collapsed. There are two things that are going on, though. I think, richard, were moving past we have moved past the age of reagan, when you look at the numbers that are attached to these bills that make your heart and my hard palpitate, because the numbers are so high and the deficits are like even going to be higher than trumps deficits and the National Debt is going to be even higher and we have that nagging inflationary concern. That said, the spending is overwhelmingly popular. It never would have been during the age of reagan. We have moved beyond the age of reagan. Thats one thing thats happening. Another thing thats happening, though, there are a lot of people like you and me that live in suburbs, that voted republican their entire life, that are not going to be voting for donald trump or trumpists. And that, i think, over time will expand the Democratic Party. And forgive me for saying this, make the republican make the Democratic Party more moderate, more conservative in places. And more of a sort of fdrtype coalition as far as a wider so two things are going on at the same time right now. Its going to require democrats to be a bit agile. It is. I think one of the questions is if you want to attract people who are former republicans, who are offended by lots of aspects of trumpism, i think there are questions of the role of government in the society and also this issue of transfer of wealth. And one of the things thats going to come up in the debate is obviously, i think we still have to watch levels of government spending. We have to look at, whats the safety net. Whats the relationship between the government and the economy, the government and the society, and what transfer of wealth is going to be required to pay for it. Because one possibility is you have no transfer of wealth, you just run up debt. The other possibility, you have massive transfer of wealth through taxation. And taxation may be a problem if you want to attract republicans who are already alienated from the Republican Party, former republicans to the Democratic Party. They may stay homeless for a long time. They may be comfortable in neither. Matthew and rachael, youre amazing. Thank you so much. Matthew, youre amazing. Still ahead, Chris Matthews joins the conversation just ahead. Hah also, dr. Anthony fauci. Plus, my conversation with House Speaker nancy pelosi whos featured on know your value and forbes newly revealed 50 over 50 list. Morning joe is back in a moment. Whats the word that comes to mind when i say retirement . Whats that . Exactly. Breyers is always so delicious. I can tell that they used your milk, matilda. Great job moo youre welcome. Breyers Natural Vanilla is made with 100 grade a milk and cream and only sustainably farmed vanilla. Better starts with breyers. Discover card i just got my Cashback Match is this for real . 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And political strategist, Susan Del Percio still with us. And joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. Good to have you onboard this hour, mike. The white house is calling for a, quote, Summer Of Freedom. A little different than summer of love, but a little free from everybody, as the president pushes to get as Many Americans as possible vaccinated by july 4th. Today were announcing a monthlong effort to pull all the stops, all the stops to free ourselves from this virus and get to 70 of adult americans vaccinated. Well continue encouraging people to get vaccinated with incentives and fun rewards. The nba, the nhl, nascar, nascar tracks, theyre offering vaccines outside Playoff Games and races. Major League Baseball will be offering free tickets to people who get vaccinated at the ballpark. And to top it off, anheuserbusch announced that beer is on them on july the 4th. Thats right. Get a shot and have a beer. So fun in order to reach the 70 goal and additional 16 million adults will need to get vaccinated in the next 30 days. Right now, about 63 of American Adults have had at least one shot. Thats pretty good, but we need more. Meanwhile, the white house is not ruling out retaliation in response to another russianlinked cyber attack. President biden told reporters the administration is looking into the recent wave of ransomware attacks, including one against the countrys largest meat producer just this week. Press secretary jen psaki confirmed the issue will be brought up when President Biden sits down with Vladimir Putin in two weeks. We do expect this to be one of the issues that the president will discuss with President Putin at the summit. We will certainly be a topic of discussion that harboring criminal entities that are intending to do harm, that are doing harm to the Critical Infrastructure in the United States is not acceptable. Were not going to stand by that. We will erase that and we are not going to take options off the table. Mr. President, will you retaliate against russia for this latest ransomware attack. Were looking closely at that. Do you think putin is testing you . No. And israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahus days in office could be numbered with his opponents announcing theyve reached a deal to form a new coalition. The agreement came shortly before midnight, the deadline, in israel, which would have sent the country into its fifth election in just over two years. The coalition features leader from eight different political parties, spanning both ends of the political spectrum. One interest they do share is a desire to see netanyahu out of power. If the agreement is approved by the Israeli Parliament next week, it would see the end of the Prime Ministers 12year rule. All right guess what . Chris matthews is here. Hi, chris hes the author of the new book, this country My Life In Politics and history. Chris, its so interesting its great to see you great to see you. People always come up, say, hows chris doing . They talk about chris. I had a guy come up and talk about you and he said, Chris Matthews always told me something that always stuck in my head. He was a capitol hill cop and he learned that, you know, the average american, the little guy, as you said, like, people that, you know, working class neighborhoods, philly, pensacola, you name it, they love america, because its the one thing you got. And i was thinking about that myself last summer. We were in maine and went out to an island that was pretty far out and there was a house that was pretty ramshackle, there were a lot of things in the hard. They had a huge American Flag perfectly pressed. And i said, chris is right. Thats what they got. Thats what we all got. You remember it right. That was officer leroy taylor of west virginia. Called me aside, the college kid, to tell me what the whole fight was about, the culture war. Its about the little guy, little woman, who doesnt have much. They dont have a glamorous life, but they do have their flag and their country and they feel it. And they feel it strongly. You know, joe, ive had this amazing life. I wrote about it. I had two years to write about it. That helped me. But i started in africa for all of those years and i was in the air force one flying around with jimmy carter, fighting for his reelection. I was with tip oneil in the back rooms of power. I was at the berlin wall when it was coming down talking to regular germans about why it was all happening. And one of the young kids i said to the kid, what does freedom mean to you . And the kid say, talking to you. The big changes in our life, whether its the end of apartheid. I was there with Archbishop Tutu when he got the vote for the first time at age of 62. I was in Northern Ireland when the irish and catholics got together for good friday. Ive had these amazing experiences and i wanted to share them. Because the most exciting parts of our life dont happen on television. They usually happen in real ive. And theyre really big stories that people like to hear about. Its behind the scenes. What was it like to be there when history was being made. And joe, you were in the house all of those years. And mika, i remember with your dad, working at the white house, one of the thrills of being at the white house as a speechwriter to President Carter was being in black tie one evening and going in to see the big brzezinski, trying to get him to approve his speech for blasting the russians. I was like, im just like the big brzezinski. And he said, im not going to approve barberous behavior by the russians in a split second. Bring me back to that tomorrow morning. That was my meeting with your dad. That sounds just about right. My dad can be tough. Mike barnicle . Chris, one element of your life and life span and all the people youve met and encountered. Talk to us a bit about the most uniquely of american politician you worked for, tip oneil. I have met a more american politician in my life. There we were walking over. I think we were giving an award to jack lemon for the arts caucus. Every morning, heres this big guy, overweight, didnt think he was that great looking. I thought he was an amazinglooking person. And he would there he is with kathleen, my wife. He would get up every morning knowing that reagan was this incredibly charismatic figure, punching him every day, and went up and went to work every morning. I thought that was the real courage of tip oneill, sticking to his guns and his beliefs, even though he knew they were a bit out of date. But courage is getting up every day and going to work for a lot of people. Its not just about courage on the battlefield. A split second of grace under pressure, but just going to work when you know youre not popular every day. I thought that was tip oneils great strength. Chris, its willie. Its great to see you. Glad to have you back. Congratulations. By the way, youre on the cover of the bethesda magazine, you and your dad. Every time i go to the drugstore come on, you must know. Youre right on the cover, willie. I dont hes on so many covers so many cover shoots, they all blend together. Who, me . Chris, among the many times weve missed your voice on television was on january 6th, as you watched what happened in the building where you worked. The building where youre talking about working for tip oneil. What went through your mind and your heart and your gut as you watched that. And the events that have followed . The one willingness of republicans to take that look back at the January 6th Commission . Willie, that got to my heart. I felt violated. I felt like this cathedral of democracy. This place where all the Big Battles Over Slavery and everything and jim crow and how we passed the civil rights bill with a huge majority in the senate in both parties, this is where the best of america has come together. A congress coming together . Its our democracy. I worked with a cop when i was a Capitol Policeman who said, i would die for this building. And he meant it. And i thought about those people. What were they doing . And sometimes what we see, you think its at its worst, like, watergate. No, if it had really gotten to its worst, they would have won. They would have found a member of congress, pelosi, the speaker, or maybe mike pence, the vp, or mitt romney, they were chasing after him and that africanamerican Police Officer led them in the other direction, which was so courageous and so quitwitted to pull that off, to get them away from the target they were after. We had no idea how bad that could have got. Suppose they did get ahold of one of these members of congress that had been elected by the people. God knows. These people were on a tear and they were led by the president. And the fact that the republicans dont want to investigate this is maddening. Why not get it over with, find out who did it, find out the organizations involved. Find out their motive. What was their ultimate goal that day . One goal, the immediate goal was to stop the election of a president by the electoral college. They could have done they wanted to stop it. They stopped it for a couple of hours. And that was an insurrection. I used to walk those halls. I was a cop that walked those halls. You didnt go walking into the speakers office, you wouldnt go walking on the floor of the senate. You wouldnt be doing that stuff. It was just, it was wrong. And the American People should have really rebelled against that, stronger than they have. I wonder what we make of that, because whats next, chris. Especially talking to you, someone who has such a love, a deep love for politics, from being on the inside and looking at it from the outside and having such a spirit in your reporting politics, what is the challenge that we confront with republicans who wouldnt even vote for this commission. How do we do that . Im honestly saying im having a hard time with it. These are people that you worked with. These are people that you loved covering the frictions of politics, left and right, democrat, republican, you know, trying to like the battle was part of the journey in this country and youve been on that journey for so many years. Whats the challenge now covering republicans who dont want to confront this . Its a real problem. You think of the frog in the boiling water. The water keeps getting hotter and hotter and they dont even though theyre dying. One of the thing i miss about not getting up and reporting the days events. I could read the paper occasional and catch up, but youre getting the points on the map and look at the direction were going in the last few months. First of all, back in when trump was running for president , he accused the current president of being an illegal immigrant. Snuck in the country from kenya. What a joke, what a joke. And a lot of the people who follow him, oh, yeah, he said so, so it must be true. And the current president is elected by the electoral college, obviously, enough majorities to avoid any concern about illegality, and he says hes not president. And you see in a poll in the Quinnipiac Poll last week, a good poll, twothirds of republicans agree with him. This president is not legitimate. So its really scary. So you have a general thats taken an oath to the constitution, which is the first oath you take anywhere in the military, and hes talking about should have a military coup. Seven days of may and this guy is talking about this. And the scariest thing is that that didnt shock people. It seemed part of the continuum. The deconstitutionalization of america. Oh, yeah, lets have a military coup. Well, the military is not behind this guy, this nut, Michael Flynn, talking about and the crowd cheering him, scary business. Because when you say the past is prelude, which we all believe, its on the National Archives building, what is this a prelude to . What were watching now, this continuum of opposition to clearcut democracy. You know, first of all, they were proud about winning the election, even though they lost the popular vote by 4 million. What are you proud about that for . All we ever said was, lets get out and vote. Get your people out. Get your voters to the poll. Your people. Now, its keep their people from going to the polls. Yeah. Its totally and make sure their government doesnt get anything done. You know what mip is up to . I swear what hes up to. Make sure the Biden Administration gets nothing done, so next november, they campaign on crime, high prices, inflation, and the border. The good old big three of negative politics. Find three issues, make them about your opponent, make them all negative, and make it a negative election in 2022. I think thats the Mitch Mcconnell strategy and mccarthy, for what hes worth, is going along with it. Dont let them do anything positive so they can have a record to run on. Lets remind viewers how quickly this has changed. A lot of people say, its been bad forever. But you wrote a book about tip oneil and ronald reagan. They figured out to be extraordinarily disagreeable and stild bill a relationship where they put the country first. You can talk about bill clinton, a Republican Congress that impeached him. Neither side liked each other. I always said, you could impeach bill clinton on tuesday, he would invite you to golf on wednesday, because he had a bill he needed your vote on on thursday. Thats how he thought and thats why he was successful legislatively. And i remember tom daschle and trent lott would go on air and rip each other to friends and get off air and be friends. They understand that they were americans and they were fighting toward the common goal of making america better from two dramatically different places. Why cant we get back to that place . First of all, joe, as you know better than win politics, when its played right is fun, its a great way to live. Franklin roosevelt said, theres nothing more than i like better than a good fight. When we were fight about infrastructure back in 82 before that midterm election, and the republican leader, bob michael, was making fun of the democrats. Another leafraking, make work jobs bill, what a joke. So i called up the Chief Engineer of peoria, illinois, his town, and asked him for a list of all the bridges in his town that were below safety code. And the speaker went on the floor of the house and read all the bridges in bob michaels district that were scary and below safety code and school buses would be going over them and they would be dangerous. Bob michael went red faced, found his press secretary, and went out and tried to save himself that day. Thats great politics. Take the fight to the enemy. Dont talk in theater. All politics is local. Go to the opponent and say, oh, yeah, you dont think we need infrastructure, mr. Mccarthy, how come this bridge is falling down in your district . Whats the kentucky problem with these bridges and tunnels and roads that are in lousy repair. Take the pictures of them and show them, this guy doesnt want to fix stuff in our hometown here. I think politics can be really fun. If you take it to the enemy and youre aggressive about it, you have a great night. What did i do today . I showed the opponents they were wrong and were right. Thats fun. As much as i talk about when i run for office, i dont run, you know, i didnt run to win, i run to wipe the other side out. I didnt want it to be close. And if 25 of the people voted for the other person, i took that as a personal affront. I will say, mike, when i was actually in congress and working, you know, you put that behind you and what made me feel the best was reconciliation. Finding a democrat, sitting down working through it. I did it with Elijah Cummings and we had to work for a year or two. The reward of working with somebody who may not agree with you on everything and reconciling and getting to that Police Station where youre doing something to help people, i feel so sad for the people in congress now, because theyre gesturing most of the time and they dont get to experience that. Its one of the great rewards of being in congress. Joe, you served at a time that was a snap of a finger, but it might as well be centuries ago. We are now part of a process, a political system where members of congress, members of the United States senate, some of them, are more afraid of twitter than their own constituents than they are of any great issue that theyll have to resolve. Tip oneill, one of his best friends in the House Of Representatives was gerry ford. And that does not happen today. You dont see friendships like that today in politics. I think a large part of it, you might disagree with me or agree with me, has to do with the concept of fundraising required now by people running for public office. They dont live in the district. So much of it also, willie, has to do with social media. You go out to dinner, i heard this last time i was in d. C. And it was so depressing. A lot of republican and Democratic Senators are afraid to be seen in public together because somebody will tweet about it, clis so sad and politics. Getting the politics to own the libs rather than to go out and make people betters lives better. Its interesting to watch President Biden, because he crosses these generations that mike is talking about. He grew up in the United States senate at a time when all of this is happening. Everything chris is saying, working across the aisle, getting things done, finding joy in politics. And now he still has that idea of partisanship in his political brain, but hes finding hell working with a party that will come sit in the oval office and then tweet about him saying hes a radical leftist the minute they walk out the door. Whats striking about the situation, it predisposes a set of Background Commitments that we both share. That we have a commitment to the future, the flourishing of america. Well, you cant assume that you have the same commitments anymore. The disagreements are so much deeper. On that note, Chris Matthews, how do we get back or get part of that back as we move into the future . Were so far from where politics was fun and people were working with the same set of facts . Leadership. Mitch mcconnell has decided to do this sort of mad dog politics. You know, heres joe biden, a moderate democrat. Hes not traditionally seen as a progressive or anybody on the left. Hes had to put together a program that appeals to the Progressive Side of his party and the moderate party. He absolutely needs 50 votes to do anything. Even to get through another reconciliation bill, hes got to get manchin. If the Republican Voters out there, the more centrist republicans, if they want to have a moderate democratic administration, its easy. Make an offer an offer or a real deal. A real deal on infrastructure. Offer something on the border. Offer something on police. Offer something on guns. Make offers that move biden to the more moderate side. But you have to be at the table. You cant say, look at those lefty. All they have to do is say, okay, you want 2 or 3 trillion on infrastructure . How about a trillion and a half. Biden will go for it. You have to put something on the table. What does Mitch Mcconnell and mccarthy want to do . They want to screw them and undercut them. When the democrats got a little corrupt, they would bring in the republicans to come in. Then the democrats would get back in. The parties would keep each other honest. They screw each other to make sure nobody gets anything good done. Mitch mcconnells biggest fear is that biden will succeed with the economy. That hell be able to develop an expanded economy with more people working, higher salaries and not have the too much inflation. What he really hopes for is that he fails completely and get nothing done. And unfortunately, thats what politics is. Screw the other guy, dont let anything get done, when it should be, keep the other guy honest. And thats what it was. And i spent a good part of my life about the people in the world that want what we have. They treasure Democracy Piches in south africa with bishop tutu when he voted for the first time and he was 62 years old. And he yelleded yippee in the voting booth. South africa didnt solve its problem of White Supremacy by war, they solved it at the ballot box. Mandela said, its going to be a good country without racism. The germans wanted to bring that wall down so the people could decide between socialism and capitalism. And we have to understand how valuable the vote is. The vote is everything for us. We have to keep the democracy that we inherited and god help us from the people like Michael Flynn and donald trump help us from them damned right. Chris matthews, thank you very much. Come back. The book is, this country My Life In Politics and history. And still ahead on morning joe, is america on track for a socalled Summer Of Freedom . Well ask dr. Anthony fauci when he joins us next on morning joe. Y fauci when he joins us next on morning joe. 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Get started with a great offer, and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. Plus, for a limited time, ask how to get a 500 prepaid card when you upgrade. Call today. Welcome back to morning joe. Joining us now, Chief Medical Adviser to the president , dr. Anthony fauci. Dr. Fauci, good morning. Its good to see you. We want to talk about the state of coronavirus, but as you may have heard, many of your emails were made public in a foia request from buzzfeed and the Washington Post. Let me ask you a couple of questions about that. First of all, in April Of 2020, the Lab Leak Theory from the wuhan lab was discussed in some of your emails. Dr. Collins, the head of the nih seemed to think it was a conspiracy. Did you agree at that time, in April Of 2020 that the Lab Leak Theory was a Conspiracy Theory . No, not necessarily at all. The situation was we didnt know and we still dont know what the origin is. That if you look historically and the way things rolled out, we all felt and still do, actually, willie that it is more likely to be a natural jumping of species from an Animal Reservoir to a human. However, since we dont know that for sure, that youve got to keep an open mind. You can say you think one thing is more likely than the other, but the fact that it could have been Something Else clearly was there. It was low on the list of what we thought the likelihood was. But, in fact, thats the reason why we all are now saying theres a considerable amount, appropriately, of interest in trying to find out what the origin is. And thats why were all in favor of a fair, open investigation to see if we can actually find out the origin. Because we want to make sure this doesnt happen again. Since those emails in April Of 2020, dr. Fauci, have you come around more to the possibility of a Lab Leak Theory . Do you think its more credible today than it was then . You know, im not so sure. I think one of the things that has stimulated interest, which i think is important to investigate, is the idea, and we need to find out if its true or not, of the fact that there were some people who worked at the lab who got ill. We need to find out, a, is that true . And b, what was the nature of their illness . And those are things we just need to find out. If thats something that turns out to be an important feature, then you can say, hmm, that may lean a little bit more towards one. But i think what people might be getting confused, is there more interest in it or really more evidence . The evidence is very sparse. And thats the reason why we want to keep looking. The evidence for one of the other. If you look historically, the way things have rolled out, The Original Sars cov1, mers, ebola, the diseases that emerge from a reservoir and an animal, it happens all the time. And thats the reason why we feel thats the most likely. But since we havent proven that, youve got to keep an open mind, and an open mind means you continue to look. As an open mind. Not in a pejorative way of thinking that they did something me various or what happened. Just keep an open mind and take a look. And thats what Everyone Wants right now. The conventional wisdom for so long, as you know, that it was zu zoonotic, that there were types of a bat in the wet market, there were talk of penguins in the wet market. Is there more evidence for that theory than there is the lab leak . In other words, arent they both equally possible . Obviously, when you say possible, anything is possible. And thats the reason why i say you need to keep an open mind. One of the things that people need to understand is that you need to keep looking for that link of the jump naturally from an animal to a human. I think one of the things that happened early on is that the scientists, you know, some people dont want to admit it, but the scientists in china, many of them are really very good scientists. I think epidemiology, one of the things that they did wrong is that they cleaned out the market as soon as there was this outrage for fear that it would spread even more. That could have been an epidemiological mistake, because they may have wiped out evidence of the jumping of species. But you still have to keep looking. And thats what everyone is doing, to continue to look. I have to keep emphasizing that, because people who are pejorative about it and conflate Different Things keep saying, well, you think this, you think this. An open mind is the clear thing we need to do. A question you probably hear a lot, i hear a lot is from people out on the street and people who are on our show. Why is this so hard . Why is it so hard to find the source of this outbreak thats killed more than 3 Million People around the world, 600,000 people here in the United States, has upended our lives and our economy . Is it because china is so opaque. Is it because w. H. O is not sharing information . Why is this so difficult . There are several reasons, willie, why its difficult. I think one of the things is that we need better access to all the information. I mean, its obviously in chinas interests to find out exactly what it is. And the is of the natural theory would be to find that link. So you have to keep looking for it. I mean, obviously, you want openness and cooperation. One of the ways you can get it is dont be accusatory. Try to get both a forensic, a scientific, and an investigational approach. I think the accusatory part about it is only going to get them to pull back even more. Weve got to do it in a combination of diplomacy, scientific forensic investigation, and do it in a way of the people of good faith, not who want to do blame, but people who in good faith are really trying to find out what the orange is. And were seeing a lot of, you know i dont even want to describe it. A lot of pointing of fingers and things like that. Keep an open mind and go after the truth. You say its in chinas interests. Though, would you agree, dr. Fauci, its in their interests to hide it, if there was a lab leak or worse, if they were designing something in their lab, that the world that america didnt know, that it came out of their own lab, wouldnt they want to conceal that . Willie, i dont want to be speculating on that. Every time i Say Something like that, you know it as well as i, it will get completely taken out of context and go into the twitter world like crazy. So, im going to leave that to other people and not surmise and guess whos interests its in. Its not helpful. Everything you say gets completely taken out of context. And its really, it would be like me, talking about what its like to be an nba player. I wouldnt know im terrible at basketball. Youre about medicine. Youre about health. Youre about studying that. These questions about china, i mean, thats up to the politicians to sort through. Thats up to the politicians to figure out. It may not be in the best interest of chinas leaders for this to come out. It certainly, though, it is certainly in the best interests of the Chinese People and also, im sure a lot of medical doctors over there want that to happen as well. I just want to lets just be very clear about this, because people love Writing Stories about how this has changed and they go from last summer, a lot of people on Main Street Media went after tom cotton for suggesting that it could have come from a lab to this summer. Now people are going after you, acting as if we all know for certain it came out of a lab. The truth is, we are still looking through a glass darkly, because we just dont have the data. We just dont have the information. And until we have that, doctor, were not going to know, are we . Joe, thats just what i finished talking to willie about. Im sorry, i was actually, practicing my jump shot. He was on twitter. So go ahead. No, i was trying to just kind of clarify it for some of our viewers. Sometimes i repeat myself. Joe, im sorry, i wasnt trying to be facetious, but thats what i was saying, thats what people need to do is keep an open mind. When people say, it likely is a jump of species, because historically that happens all the time. Do we know, absolutely certain . Until you nail it down of showing a link, and because you havent found it doesnt mean its not there. You need to keep looking for the link and you need to keep looking for evidence that its Something Else like a lab leak. Those are open possibilities. We may not ever find out what that is. But what is not helpful is that very accusatory, pejorative nature of it, as opposed to keeping truly an open mind. Right. So lets talk about this summer. We had joe biden talking about the summer to have freedom. Whats the summer looking like for you . Whats the fall looking like . How is the United States doing . Were doing well. If you look at the numbers, joe, that you look at whats called the weekly average on a daily basis, weve gone from several weeks, months ago to 60,000 a day, 50, 40, 30, and now were below 20. Is its going in the right direction. If we reach the goal of 70 and even more, hopefully, of individuals who are adults to get at least one dose by the fourth of july, that would be very good. The one thing that i am concerned about is because things look good and you look at that chart of the cases coming down, that people will pull back on getting vaccinated and even though were doing very well with vaccines, we dont want to declare victory prematurely. We really want to nail this, joe. We dont want to say, well, the cases are coming down, we dont need to get vaccinated. You need to vaccinate as many people as you possibly if you really want to crush this. Around the world. Dr. Anthony fauci, thank you very much for coming on the show. Thanks so much, dr. Fauci. Coming up, my exclusive sitdown interview with the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, one of the remarkable women on the inaugural forbes 50 over 50 list. Morning joe is back in a moment. Morning joe is back in a moment wait, this isnt your bed. Howd you get here . Ah yes. Groceries. Earn points now to use on travel later. One of the many things you could expect when youre with amex. Before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable nights sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. Now, that dream. Is her reality. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . 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I spoke with the House Speaker ahead of her selection to be part of the inaugural 50 over 50 by the way, lets talk about, i arranged those flowers. It was kind of hard. Those are california wildfires. She loved them they were i mean, this was like a work of art. We had an allfemale Photography Team at forbes, headed up by robin selman and artists were involved and this was a big deal. And it was beautiful. And she loved it. She kept telling us amazing stories. It was an incredible day. And the list spotlights the Diverse Voices and work of female entrepreneurs and leaders who are well over the age of 50. Heres my conversation with speaker pelosi, who became americas first female speaker of the house at the age of 66. Im wondering if you could dig deep and think about yourself and i know you got into politics at maybe 47. I came to congress i ran when i was 46. So even before that, and you had five children. When you were a younger woman, did you did you have an imagination . Did you imagine your career after 50 . No. I didnt. I certainly did not i had no interest or idea that i would run for public office. I was doing what i loved to do being a mom. I just loved that. And so that was coming to its, shall we say, they were going away to college and the rest. I was interested in doing something. I had a lot of energy. I dont know whether i attribute it being italian american, the family i was from or just a woman. Just a mom who has had so much, shall we say, multitasking to do, but i knew that i would be doing something, because i just had all of this energy. And motivation. My motivation, my why to do anything sprang from being a mom. I had five children. My husband and i, paul and i, one of five children in america lives in poverty and goes to sleep hungry at night. That was really sort of my motivation. So maybe nancy pelosi at 25, what did you picture yourself to be doing in your 50s and how does that picture compare with the reality, where you are now, well after 50 . You know, i didnt even really look that far forward. I didnt either. I think thats half the reason why were having these conversations. Because a lot of women, young women dont think about their careers after 50, 60, or 70. And perhaps they should i think the world has changed in terms of possibility for young women, with you as an example and a motivator in so many ways, but i remember thinking when i was young that my mother should have been in my time. Because she would do so many things, but she was so curtailed by her generation, by my father, really, even, and of course, that went by the by, and families now, people recognize that their daughters, their sisters, their moms, their wives can do whatever they want. I know that your greatest accomplishment is your five incredible kids. Putting them aside just for a moment, what would you consider your greatest accomplishment over the age of 50. Well, i dont think anything compares with the Affordable Care act. That was because it enabled millions of people to have access to quality Affordable Care. And again, for families and for the children. And not only 20 million more, but families to have Better Benefits at lower costs, more accessible, more affordable. So nothing compared to that. I consider it a pillar, Social Security, medicare, medicaid, the Affordable Care act. So youve spent some time in the past few years standing up to power, especially to a president. And im wondering, are there ways in which you feel more empowered at this stage of your life . How can i say this . First of all, im excited to have this conversation with you, because what it means to other women and to younger women. Because you dont know whats coming next. And i always say to young women, be ready. Just be ready. Take inventory of what you have done. Give yourself a good star for being the unique person that you are. And so when the challenge is there, youll be ready. And, of course, little did we know that the challenge would be such a horrible devastation to our country, but nonetheless, i was ready. You were ready. And you stepped right up, and thats a great message for young women who kind of feel like, what am i doing, i feel like hi career is stalling or im not doing enough. Every day of your life, youre practicing for that moment, where you may need to be ready. Its true. And i always saytrue. And i always say to people, know your why. Know why youre following the career that you are or the pursuit that you may have in the community. Whether its education, saving the planet, social and Economic Justice and whatever it happened to be. Know your why, know your what, know about it so that people will ask your opinion and respect your just because you know about it and then show people how you get get things done. Your why, your what, your how. And when happens, your genuine commitment will attract people. Youll be a leader. But, again, dont underestimate. Just, you know, you say it so beautifully, know your value. That says it all. I think women, thats the one key that kind of gives them that it does. And the words i would say if i could give every woman something, it would be confidence. Just be confident in who you are, authentically you. So im wondering if there was a moment in your career after it started, the political career, where you might have given up or almost gave up and what that was. No. I i didnt have a moment of giving up because i my expectations were not whatever i was doing at the time was what i was there to do. It was valuable. It was straubl. So that does i wont that doesnt sound overconfident about things. But, no, it was like, this is what this is. Lessons learned. When i i lost a race for you may not know this because i dont know if you were born yet, but i lost a race for a national chairman. And it was the best thing that ever happened to me because i learned so much from what the possibilities are to young women. You dont know whats around the corner, so just be confident in who you are. Know your subject so that people respect your judgment. And that you have a plan. You have a vision, and you have a plan. You will succeed. What is your message for women in their 20s and their 30s who feel that theyre in a rush, they need to have kits, they need to keep their career on track. What do you say to those women who feel so rushed . Well, my first message to them is always be yourself. Just be yourself. Take stock of who you are and then understand this. Youre going to do the best you can. Its not always the best you know how because you wont control all the factors of it. But dont make any judgment about yours because you didnt do the best you knew how. But what about to the women starting out in their 20s and 30s who feel like they have to get everything accomplished now . The timing of lifes timing is a gift that we all receive. Women just have to make their decisions. Decisions are the most liberating acts you can make. You decide. Sdiets im going to starred my family or decide im going to go start my career and come back to that. Its hard to do both at once, but its very possible. I have four daughters who are professionals. They had their families and their careers at the same time. But that was their decision. And dont worry, here is i guess my simpler message would be your path is your path. Dont worry about following somebody elses path. It will have its own natural tempo. And its challenging. It is challenging to multi task all the time with family and the rest. People tell me thats the hardest thing for them is how do they allocate their time. I love the fact that this list tells young women that there is a long runway for you and life can interrupt your career and your career can interrupt your life and its okay. Its okay. And all of these introductions are enhancements. So see it as an opportunity and as a plus. They ask me if i ruled the world, what one thing would i do. If i ruled the world, i would educate girls and women in the whole world. Because nothing is more important than the full involvement of women in Decision Making in our society, whether its a governmental, education, military, Corporate America or the world. Than to have women involved. So my message to young women would be know your power. Be confident. And understand that nothing is more important than you fulfilling your role, whatever that may be. And nothing and from politics, nothing is more wholesome than the increased participation and leadership of women in government and in politics. So when youre thinking about whether you should do this or not, know that it is necessary that you do it. Speaker nancy pelosi. And i just have to say, that was the most inspirational interview ive ever done. She was amazing. And the story does not end here. Tomorrow, were going to tell you what is next for 50 over 50 along with forbes. Coming up this morning, one of the top candidates for mayor of New York City, andrew yang, will be our guest. Morning joe is coming right back. Guest. Morning joe is coming right back your mission stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. And take. It. On. With rinvoq. Rinvoq a oncedaily pill can dramatically improve symptoms. Rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. And for some, rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. Thats rinvoq relief. 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Welcome back to morning joe along with joe, willie and me, we have professor at Princeton University eddie claude jr. , republican strategist and msnbc Political Analyst Susan Del Percio and president of the council on foreign relations, richard haas who ive heard, is he going to be accepted as our golf course partner . I dont know. He was a little weak last night. Weve got the british open coming. If you didnt control, roger owns the weekend. He can make a 00 draw sound like, you know, the battle of gettysburg. We had Phil Mickelson getting mugged walking down the 18th fairway. I didnt have to adds to it. Joe, sometimes you have to go with the story. And sometimes you dont make the story about you, right . Exactly. Exactly. He wants to he wants to be our golf correspondent. Like rogers. Another shot at the u. S. Open. U. S. Open coming up in about audition. Yeah. Lets get to the news. Hold on. I want to ask garrett. Willie, this is the front page of the new york post. Is it really that bad out there, the graffiti . 1977 again . Its just a lot of challenges. Theres a lot, more than there was a few years ago. The most important story is on the other side of that which is the New York Knicks season ended last night. The hands of that young player named trey young. Amazing. So fun to watch. And living up to the moment. Packed garden. He bowed after he hit the 3. So knicks, on the upswing. It was a good season, but its over now. Trey young, hes a superstar. So i was born in atlanta and been suffering with the hawks and the falcons for did she well, since the late 1960s. I think the last time i saw a hawks game was dominique wilkins. But i started watching, this guy is incredible. Yeah. Hes 22 years old, too. He has a big future ahead of him. Hes been anonymous in atlanta, but this year, this has been his coming out party, the garden full, booing him every time he got the ball and he was drinking it in. Reggie miller felt the same way. Exactly. So front page, the lead in the times is netanyahu may be replaced. Stop me if youve heard this story before. I have read this headline about six times. It seems like a fragile coalition. Do you think its going to hold up . We have two hurdles. One is between now and midjune, can they get a vote of confidence in the Israeli Parliament . That means bebe doesnt pull away one or two people before that. If they get past that, then they have to govern. The only thing i can tell that they agree on is their opposition to bebe. So what they can actually do, whether they can hang together, odds are against them. There are a lot of people looking. Is it really going to change policy that much . No, because the new Prime Minister is at least as far to the right if not farther than bebe. So the answer is no, they can probably agree on some limited policy. Formally in the coalition, one of the parties is an air ran islamic party. You have the 2 million israeli arabs, and their agenda is to basically i wont use the expression, but their agenda is to provide money and resources for israels arab and slaentic moments. And suzanne, how are things breaking that way . A lot of people were yelling and screaming trying to get attention. I dont think it worked. I think garcia did well by not looking for a lot of airtime and scott stringer, mya wiley, a good friend on the show, they tried to break out, but i still think it comes down to eric adams and andrew yang. And eddie andrew yang is going to be on the show today. Washington post, invoting all eyes on joe manchin. Im trying to think of the last time a senator had as much power as joe manchin has right now. All eyes remain on him three months in. We have to get a sense of what are the actual motivations behind manchins position. It could be a commitment to the filibuster, so the institute of the senator. Professor saking what are the principles . When a politician thinks is how do i get his vote . And can they get his vote . But in this moment of crisis, it seems to me that thats important for a politician. But i think the state of the country is also important. Its really clear, if the republicans continue to play the game that theyve played, one has to ask the question, what is this commitment to bipartisanship that joe manchin keeps talking about when it doesnt evidence itself at every turn . Is and what does it take to get as Many Americans vaccinateded before july 4th. Were pulling all the stops to free ourselves from this virus and get to 70 of adult americans vaccinated. Were going to continue to encourage people to get vaccinated with incentives and fun rewards. The nba, nhl, nascar, theyre offering vaccines outside Playoff Games and at races. Major League Baseball will be offering free tickets to people who get vaccinated at the ballpark. And to top it off, anheuserbusch announced beer is on them until july 4th. Thats right. Get a shot and have a beer. The vaccine is free. Its safe and its effective. Getting the vaccine is not a partisan act. The science was done under democratic and Republican Administrations. And right here, you can get a morning joe cookie made by tjs wife if you get vaccinated. Youre all vaccinated, right . Everybody in the room vaccinated . Tj had a lot of time this year to start a new business. So he started that. You do have to diversify. I love them, though. Theyre so pretty. Thank you, monica. Thats right beautiful. That is cool. Have a beer, get a vax. The story line there, jon meachams first draft is the summer of love. So, you know, meachum thought he was obviously born late for 1967, but joe changed that to Summer Of Freedom and it certainly is if People Choose it. Ive noticed the soul of america has been popping up as a term in a lot of joe bidens speeches lately. I feel the hand of joe meachum in those words. The numbers, were going to cross 70 if things continue to trend in the direction theyre going. 16 million adults will have to get their first shot by july 4th to hit that. The Herd Immunity Number was always in the 70s, 75 range. So the truth is, for all the consternation weve had, were doing well at this and we can cross that threshold. Its an Important National deadline, but richard haas, of course, the big issue is getting the world vaccinated or we could see a repeat or resurgence or some strain coming back to haunt us. It will happen. Lets be honest. 8 billion people out there. Were not even close and in many countries not even the Health Care Workers have been vaccinated. You have the variants appearing in places like india. Nothing stays local. Sooner or later, it circulates. We either have to produce and export much more here. Or we have to Build Capacity around the world. So other countries can produce vaccines. Its a way we can show americas strength and preimminence i think by making sure that were pushing it out there. And it helps get rid of the past four years where it was america first, america only, and now we can change that dynamic and our reputation around the world again or restore it, i should say, to that we are leading, we are providing the vaccinations, we are a global leader, not that we werent, but we certainly werent acting like one. And i think thats whats so critical. Especially when it comes to some of the Supply Chain Issues and getting to continent is like africa. It will be a huge undertaking and there was a point where russia and china were trying to fill the void of the United States. Were still at that point. And thats concerning i think internationally. So i hope very soon those astrazeneca vaccinations will be out there and we move forward in our position. Still ahead, last year around this time, donald trump was clearing Peaceful Protesters for his photoop. 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And all winston churchs fried chick had to do was issue away some rabble rousers. Some yahoos argue the protesters were peaceful, teargas was used and it was a photoop. The protesters were peaceful, no teargas was used and it wasnt a photoop. But one respected journalist still demands answers. Why did you go to st. Johns the other day . What was the message you wanted to send to people . Religious leaders loved it. True. The bible is not a prop. It makes a mockery of christianity. It was an act that mocked god. You just dont do that, mr. President. It isnt cool. And nothing is cool like kid turtleneck. This just in, a fox news poll shows biden is up 14 points. I know all of you are freaking about the polls. The experts say biden is way ahead. Its his election to lose. The socalled experts are just horribly wrong. Yes. Take it from her. Shes horrible and wrong. This has been this week in covid history. Like churchill, inspect the bomb wow. My goodness. That was the line. Clearing the park, Peaceful Protesters so you could hold the bible the wrong way. Pat robertson going, its not cool. That was only one year ago. It speaks for itself. It speaks for itself. I remember a certain oklahoma senator saying ive been to sunday school my entire life. Ive never seen anyone hold a bible that way. On clear a square to get to church. President donald trump has discontinued his blog after 29 days. Once toutd as his advisers by a beacon of freedom, the site suffered from low readership. The site received just 1500 shares. Thats not good. In comments, a stark contrast to the amount of engagement. The trump spokesman said it is an auxiliary to the broader efforts we have and are working on. Lets bring in eugene scott. Good morning. So this was billed as the place where trump fans, Trump Supporters could go to get their daily dose of donald trump from the desk of the former president of the United States. What happened here, people just didnt go check it out . Well, most people just were not interested and have moved on from wanting to hear from the former president on a daily basis or multiple times a day as we were used to hearing. And as you know, the Technology Behind this blog was not the most current and forward thinking. And so it really exposed the former president to quite a bit of mocking, making feel feel like that he was not at the forefront of communication or technology or any of the things that he and his team constantly say that hes a leader on. And people disengaged. And Many Americans are really ready to move on. Theres a new president , theres a new agenda, theres a new focus and despite the popularity that donald trump is experiencing in the Republican Party, he remains a largely unpopular person with americans at large. Eugene, Susan Del Percio here. Do you think well see that slowdown also within his rallies or are we going to see a good attorneyout . Because if youre not getting paid attention to on a blog, what do you think the Rally Response will be . Well, we know that trump still is popular with republicans. But what is important to know is that the number of people who selfidentify as republicans in 2021 is actually smaller than the number in 2016. So there should be a decrease in attendance at these rallies, especially since what he will be saying he cannot turn into policy or action the same way he could when he actually occupied the white house. The Washington Post eugene scott, thank you very much. And coming up, crack pots, charlottans and cowards. A new oped is not mincing words when it comes to whats left of the Republican Party. That discussion is next on morning joe. That discussion is next on morning joe. Boss baby is back. Were going to have to face creepy babies. Dont look at me. Jail yard babies. I like glue. And ninja babies oh my gosh. Oh my gosh na na na na na na na na. Hey hey hey. Goodbye. Na na na na. 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I dont think we would learn anything further by having yet another level of investigation. And thats why i opposed the January 6th Commission. With regard to the future, were going to arrest, Hopefully Convict everybody involved in the insurrection. Okay. Thats Mitch Mcconnell at least making very clear that he was there, he saw what happened. Im not sure i agree with his vote, but he said people will be worth arrested and convicted. Worth note, fair . Well, they are. The fbi is doing a great job. I am curious about, richard, i look at some of the sentencing that some of these people are getting that admit they what they did was going on to the senate floor to stop a constitutional counting of votes. And theyre getting 1 to 3 years when if you read the statute, i mean, thats called sedition where you act violently to stop a constitutional action from taking place and its a 20year term. Up to 20 years. So why 1 to 3 users when the statute itself says and these judges are never going to have anybody, we hope, that will have acted in more of a direct way for a conspiracy to act sedition than what happened on january 6th, yet theyre giving 1 to 3 years for something that should be 20 years. The judges look at at as a context of this is not an apolitical event where people gathered and things got out of hand. Thats the way the legal system is largely approaching it. Thats exactly the case for the commission. You need to weave together the political context. Thats what this country needs in order to learn from it and we would learn new things. Thats where the former majority is dead wrong. And worse comes to worse, we didnt learn a whole lot. Id be willing to pay that price as a tax pacer. Not simply what happened, but you weave it together. Thats the important civics theme here. This has to be an Educational Learning experience across the board. Conservative attorney George Conway has a new piece in the Washington Post entitled republican senators failure to investigate january 6th is worse than than impeachment performance. And he writes in part, quote, republican senators have managed to outdo themselves in cowardis, which is quite a feat. There was no excuse, none, for what they did last week. They quiver in fear of the man who cost them the presidency and both houses of congress. As they continue to quake, the big lie is cancer upon democracy grows with spearus election audises in fantasies of fraud and with some insanely claiming, reportedly even trump himself, that he will be reinstated in due course. Four years of trump have led to the Republican Party become ago threat to democracy, a declining sect dominated by crack pots, charlatans and cowards. Of these, its the cowards including the senators who killed last weeks legislation who bear most the blame. Joining us now, rachel bitticoffer who has formed a new super pac, called strike pac. I think George Conway makes a point. There is an opportunity in so many ways to sort of and i know there are many more reasons because of the state of voters in america right now, but to get trump off their back with this commission, to really call out what happened every step of the way. Drawing lines between important factors that played a role and what continues on be an erosion to our democracy. Yeah. You know, the 75 Million People that i said would vote for donald trump tomorrow, they dont want donald trump off their back. So these republican senators and congressmen and Congress Women dont want donald trump off their back. So, rachel, what do you do about it . Yeah. You have to get conways message to a broader public, right . So even the way we talk about What Mcconnell is doing is not hammering home whats happening, right . They are blocking the commission not for any reason other than theyre afraid it goes up, right . So we were talking about these disproportionate penalties or the light sentences, but the fact is the disproportionate enforcement is happening at the foot soldier level, right . Theyre not going after those big fish, at least in public. We really need a Public Inquiry that looks upwards, particularly to see did roger stone have an involvement, right . We know he had connection to some of the proud boys that were arrested. We need these answers and if we cant get them in a bipartisan commission, it doesnt much matter if we do a partisan commission. They would frame it as a witch hunt. So its very good to go aggressively. Thats what strike pack is all about. I tell people its a were machine and thats a tough pill to swallow for liberals, in general. Were generally peacemakers, right . But thats our problem. Our campaign and election hearing has left us in the position where we are watching democracy collapse. So, you know, it is time. Its kind of like being attacked in pearl harbor. We had pearl harbor, right . Weve been living through it. Its been a slow running event, but, you know, with trumps comments about Election Integrity from the beginning, i mean, beginning of the president ial cycle, he now see about 35 of our fellow americans think that joe biden has stole the presidency and theyre seeing that message reinforced all through their ecosystem, right . And what our side is seeing is not that stuff, right . Many people who voted in the like what i call the trump against trump coalition, theyve tuned back out. They are complacent. I showed you guys a survey in the spring that showed republicans are much more likely to say democracy is fragile, okay . Not democrats. And theyre the ones that are dismantling it. 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Youve achieved the rare trifecta of corruption investigations. Thats why so many people on this stage dont want you to be mayor. So many people on the stage . I guess they want you to be mayor . What am i missing here . I think youre both right. You both shouldnt be mayor. Wow. Wow. Welcome to new york. Okay. I thought that democratic president ial debates were tough. That was like new york, rev, its tough. New york politics is back. You could see that last night. It was a knockout. At the end of the day, though, they have to be careful because they have to see who can bring new york in this post pandemic era back to some level of where we can get to what was called normalcy. And i think they did an Old Fashioned debate last night, but were in a different time. People want to hear who can really bring us back. New york city mayoral candidate andrew yang, fended off attacks from his opponents in last nights democratic primary debate. One recent poll shows the race has tightened significantly ahead of the june 22nd election. And andrew yang joins us now. As you see, rev rental sharpton, Susan Del Percio and Mike Barnacle all back at the table, as well. And by the way, you look at those numbers, andrew, you look at the numbers from the wbix poll and other polls, great. Theyre a great indicator of what the first choice is but, man, its ranked voting this year. How are you how were you strategizing for this very new approach to electing a mayor of new york . El with, i agree with the rev rent. We have to bring people together. Rank Choice Voting, rewards candidates who have brought appeal. A lot of people have second or third choices and our numbers show that we have a ton of momentum going into the home stretch. Early voting starts on june 12th. So we feel very, very confident going into this home stretch. So the knock last night was youre not ready to be mayor of New York City. What do your opponents have wrong . He all live in New York City and you know that we need change. Wherever i go in new york, people say its not been working. Weve been run into the ground progressively over this last number of years. And a lot of the candidates on the stage last night have been part of a City Government that has failed far too many new yorkers for far too long. So this is what i hear everywhere i go. We need to turn the page. We need a fresh start. We knew new leadership, we need new ideas. Andrew, its willie geist. Thanks for coming on the show. You had a big lead, you were up 30 in this this wpix poll. Thats been cut in half as we go into may. What is your campaigns s assessment as to why that erosion has taken place . Our numbers show something different, willie. The only pop anyone should care about is the early vote on june 12th, june 13th, june 14th, and the primary vote on june 22nd. That where our attention is. And we feel positive and confident about people coming out and voting in droves because they know it has not been working and we need a different form of leadership than weve been getting over the last number of years. Crime and quality of life are the number one issue for most voters. If you look at polling, you said last night during the debate, we need to staff up. Youre suggesting we need more cops, not fewer cops. Could you lay out that idea because that will be controversial in some ways. The conversation around this has to become more nuanced and detailed. The problem is we dont have enough detectives following up on shooting which is one reason why the solve rates are so low. Another one happens two days after that and the first shooting never gets solved. So we need to increase the number of detectives, both in the precincts and in the Gun Violence Suppression Division and we need to go on a recruitment drive because the reality is thousands of Police Officers have filed their retirement papers. And so we should be trying to recruit the 21st Century Police force that reflects the incredible diversity of our city. And so if youre a new yorker watching this and you want to help make your community safer, apply to the nypd because we need you. But were going to need people actually solving the problems on the ground. It is unacceptable that three out of four shootings in brooklyn have gone unsolved for the lax number of months. And you look at the wpix poll, crime is at the top of the list of what voters are most concerned about, housing second. Police reform down at 10 . But crime is on everybodys mind in New York City. And, again, this is a democratic primary. Right. And a lot of the candidates have multi faceted approaches to crime. Susan del percio, i know you have a question for the candidate, but first, explain the rank system for those who dont understand how it works. So this is the first time were going to see a mayoral city primary rank Choice Voting. Which basically gives you five choices. You rank the people in order. Then they drop out the people who didnt make the top five. And they reapportion their votes into one, two, three and four and five. And its what a nightmare. And by the way, because a lot of what happened with the last president ial, theyre not using computers. The algorithms are not being used. So this is all going on be done with ballots literally being put in baskets in a warehouse. And you know the first count isnt going to cut it. So theyll have to do a recount. Thats a nightmare. It is a nightmare. Some people are big fans of rank Choice Voting because it gives people a chance. The number two can be actually a very important number for people if one gets bounced out. Its an interesting way of going. But, andrew, i come from a background of six years in new york City Government basically in finance, economic development, and i did budget for city agency. I was really happy to hear you talk about the budget deficit for 2023. That is huge. We have one a lot of one shots in this years budget. So my question to you is and please be specific how are you going to address a 5 billion budget when we know youre so limited in what resources you have . So youre either going to have to raise property taxes, find people more, or cut staff. And negotiate with unions to get those reductions in pay. So of those options, which most appeals to you as a way of governance to show where youre headed . I am so glad that you are calling attention to this, as well. Because i think its irresponsible what bill de blasio is doing with our budget. Hes setting us up to fail. As you said, a 5. 3 billion deficit, any common sense manager would look at this situation and say we should be trying to smooth that out and reduce that deficit in 2023. And if youve been part of City Government, you know that theyre habitually asked to find cost efficiencies and savings. Where you say, hey, try and find me 2 to 3 of savings per year and you can do that without reducing head count. But bill de blasio hasnt even done the basics. So you know as soon as you get there, youre going to find insane levels of waste and inefficiency everywhere from procurement to the fact that our payroll has grown by about 30,000 employees over the last number of years, even as organizations in other parts of the city have tightened their belts. So im so glad that you heard last night that we should be raising the alarm. Who the heck wants to inherit a 5. 3 billion deficit 2 1 2 years from now and i am blown away other candidates on the stage are not raising a stink about this, unless they either dont expect to be mayor, dont understand the numbers or owe bill de blasio so much in the way of favors that they cant say an ill word about him. But what are you going to do . Were looking at closer to 6 , 7 deficit. In the budget. How do you think the best way to meet that challenge is specifically . How do you get there . Is it cuts . Are you talking about cuts . Well, thats 3 . How are you going to make up the rest . It only comes to head count and taxes. Cut 6 , cut 7 . It would be 3 if you have done it habitually over the last number of years. But at this point, you actually can find, i believe, more than 3 because bill de blasio, again, has let agencies just run amuck. So you start there and then if you have to examine head count in the way that the resources of the city are being spent, then you have to dig in. You know, the reality is that were going to have to do more with the resources we have. We cant just rely on business as usual. So if you have to evaluate certain agencies and say, look, you have this many people doing this, like can we make a different allocation, youre going to have to find the fat first and theres a lot of fat in our government. And you want to try and avoid the muscle and the bone. But its going to involve some difficult choices ahead. Andrew, al sharpton. You and i have talked and youve been up in you brought your wife. Youre the change candidate, as you said this morning. But the knock against you is you have never been in government and that you didnt even vote in the last few new york elections. How can you change something that you dont know . How can you change government if you dont know how Government Works . How can you change politics if youve not been involved in new york politics . You even got where one of the trains dont run the same way. So how do you convince people in new york that youre the change agent if youre going to govern something that you are not familiar with and, therefore, wouldnt know how to change . Rev, everywhere i go, new yorkers talk to me about the same issues. Public safety, jobs, homelessness, housing, trash, schools, these are the issues that we all share. And you all live in new york. You know that its not working. And if youve been entrenched in our bureaucracies for the last number of years, do you know what youve learned a lot of . What cant happen. Were all tired 069 of the excuses. So bringing in somebody like me, i have more individual grassroots donors here in in, New York City. I understand that. But if i want a guy that fix my car, i want a guy that knows how the car runs. He cant just stand outside the car and say its not working, you need change. Youve got to have a guy that knows the difference between the tires and the steering wheel. So thats a great metaphor. So what you want is you want someone who knows where the car needs to go and gets in there and builds a team of people who have a combination of different experience, including some very, very experienced government hands. Because clearly, if you want to build a team around me, you would start with people who know what the levers are, who know how to pure bureaucracies in a particular direction. But the car is never going to get where it needs to go if someone is in that drivers seat saying were just going to keep on going the same way weve gone or dont have a sense of the real problems on the ground. Which is what so many new yorkers feel right now. So, andrew, a couple of minutes ago you said we need in New York City a 21st Century Police department. Given me the first couple of questions you would ask a potential new police commissioner. I would ask them how they propose to get the gun violence down. And to get the mentally ill people on their streets and some are attacking new yorkers. And the homelessness overlaps with the subway safety, which is very much tied into the safety of the city. That is a starting point but we need someone who can advance and evolve and build trust with different recruitment. I have been talking to people who are candidates for it and some are tremendous. I want to learn more about you as a leader. I think the rev asked a great question, if you have not fixed cars before, how do you know how to fix cars . And i remember asking donald trump early on, so you have never done this government thing before . Who do you talk to when you need an answer . Remember that . He said, youre not going to like this, joe, but i talk to myself. Youre right, i dont like that. Contrast that with harry truman who went in and many people thought he was the most illequipped person to the president of the United States in the 20th century. He surrounded himself with the best and brightest minds and diplomats and greatest america probably had in the 20th century and he was not afraid to listen to experts. How do you guarantee new york voters youre going to be more like harry truman, bringing in the very best people around you and deferring to those people who know new york top to bottom versus donald trump, who never wanted to listen to anybody who want telling him how great he was . I love this question. And if theres a template in my mind, its mike bloomberg. He became an expert in health, transportation, and on and on and thats exactly what i plan to do. I have demonstrated thats my approach in my career where i ran a private company that became number one in the country, and you cant do that if its me, me, me all the time. It was all about trying to find the right people, putting them in position to do their best work, build a positive culture, take accountability when things go wrong because the buck stops with you but bring in folks who just want to perform and deliver for in this case the people of New York City. I dont like talking to myself. Certainly not the type whos going to look around and be like oh, what do i think about this . I love being around smart people who are dedicated to actually getting results, are free of ideology, free of politics and thats actually also consistent with the way Small Businesses are run, its because if you get into a guts of a small business, they only care about what works. That what new yorkers have been waiting for, for years is just to get our city working again. This is the kind of leadership so many people want. Its why were going to win this race june 22. Andrew yang, thank you very much for being our guest this morning. 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Stanford university is releasing a hold to put on a law students diploma. How nice of them unbelievable. Because of a student creating a big flyer making fun of the conservative federalist society. The flyer in question was for a fictional event called the original case for inciting insurrection, set to be put on the schools chapter of the federalist society. The violent insurrection, also known as doing a coup, is a classical example of installing a government. The school cited flyer defamation. The school said normal procedures were followed while placing a hold on the students diploma while investigations were ongoing. Can you believe that . Lets just stop. It is protected speech, and, yes, even though theyre a private institution, you kind of would like law students not to have a hold put on their diploma and not be able to study for exams because of a parody, snowflakes here. By the way, willie, when conservative lawyers started going on twitter yesterday afternoon saying to stanford, come on guys, get a grip, you really wonder, where are the grownups . We snow there are snowflakes on the left, there are snowflakes on the right. Im just wondering, when are the grownups going to turn back to universities . They gave almost every time. Its unbelievable i dont want condi rice speaking too bad you dont have to go. Condi is going to speak here. So the bottom line on this, for people who dont know the story, is a law student made a parody flyer, right, conservative group a joke. And they put a hold on his diploma because of that . Thats it . Yes. Theyre investigating it because there was a flight from the federal society a mean joke . They were joking it was a parody. Oh, my god. I wonder if any of these law students these are all students from the best law schools in america. Why is it we keep getting law students from theest universities in america like leading insurrections and saying genuinely stupid things . Susan, why is it . I would do a Southern State law school, and even i even i know that clinical speech and parody are protected speech and people are too afraid to just stand up for simple things anymore and thats what it comes down to. Theyre too afraid of the backlash. Frankly, its what we see whats happening in washington. You cant even agree or joke anymore. You cant convert. And law students dont want to go to the senate and investigate an insurrection. You dont hold somebodys degree for them saying something and you want to investigate that but people stormed the capitol, threatened the Vice President and tried to stop the elections by the way, josh hawley graduated from stanford law school. A guy that you hear talking about basically the government banning what private corporations do. I dont like facebook but im a conservative. You dont want conservatives, the government going in and saying what facebook can and cant do. Now break them up into little pieces . More tomorrow. More tomorrow morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now