Book and the full context you brought to that was really wonderful. Well, thank you. I mean, Ben Rhodes has had a Singular Seat to recent history and his, the soberness with which he is approaching this moment and how his book is about how we are buffeted by all of the same forces that have pushed all of these great countries around the world into a really authoritarian space is a very sobering analysis from anybody but particularly given what hes seen and where hes been i found that book to be kind of a it changed my view on the world. Yeah. You took us on that journey with him Last Night that he actually literally took after the 2016 election to go around the world and try to figure out whats happening. We learned a lot just from that and there is more in the book. Excellent. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. Thanks. Well be joined later in this hour on the 134th day of the Biden Presidency with someone who will consider the 134th day of hell that Donald Trump is living in as the no longer president. Dr. Lance dotas who has considered Donald Trumps Mental Health in the past at the very beginning with the very beginning of the Trump Presidency when his Mental Health became a matter of Public Display will join us again Tonight to consider where Donald Trumps mind is and how it is functioning at this Stage Skriv of what will be the rest of his life as not president of the united states. President Joe Biden is facing a challenge that he did not know was coming when he was running for president. This was not an issue in the democratic president ial primary debates. This was not an issue in the two debates Joe Biden won against Donald Trump. This was not an issue that Joe Biden saw coming but it is the number one issue facing the Biden Presidency, and that is the Republican Partys coordinated, nationwide effort to block your vote, and i mean your vote no matter what state you are living in. Republican State Legislators and republican members of congress have made it very clear they do not believe all voters are equal. They believe republican voters are better than democratic voters. Better people. Republicans believe their better people should be able to vote and everyone else should be blocked. They have more than one way of blocking your vote in your state. If you dont live in a state controlled by a republican Legislature And Governor and no one is trying to restrict your ability to personally vote in your state, dont think that republicans dont know how to block your vote. If you live in california, where republicans in the legislature cannot pass any laws to restrict your votes all of your states electoral votes are going to go to the democrat in the next president ial election. We know that now. But the Electoral College will be able to deny victory to the democratic candidate if the republican plan to block votes in georgia and texas and arizona and other states is successful, because california voters might get their wish in the president ial election and they did get their wish in the president ial election last time only because Georgia Voters and arizona voters, pennsylvania voters, and others, voted for Joe Biden. But if the republican legislatures in Georgia And Arizona and other states are able to rig the next election, the votes of california voters, biggest state in the union, those votes will be denied the victory that they deserve in the president ial election by those State Legislatures and those other states that are far away from california. Like georgia where Stacey Abrams has been working on this issue for years. Tonight she joined our first Guest Beto Orourke on instagram and made the point that the republican attack on Voting Rights is an attack on every voter in every state. Weve got to amplify this so this is a national conversation. They are successful when they convince us it is parochial, only happening to some people. Its only happening in the south. Its only happening to black people. No. This is happening to all of us. We all have to be heard. We are the power. It is not hyperbole. This is not idealism. We have to create such a clamor that to do otherwise, to do anything other than save our democracy from these to use your word pernicious laws is to do a disservice to our country. Youre so right to point out the effect and the outcome and who ultimately is targeted and who ultimately will pay the price in our democracy. In texas its black voters, voters of color. Its young voters. Its the very old, those who live in big cities. And i think you also made a great point it also affects everyone if you really want this government of, by, and for the people to work when you start cutting out parts of the people you no longer have democracy. You no longer have this government. Republicans are using race to suppress the vote for democratic candidates. Race is an easy identifier for republicans when they are trying to block people from voting for democratic candidates because black Voters Vote so overwhelmingly and consistently for democratic candidates. That is why republican legislators in texas and elsewhere have tried to block black churches from running successful souls to the polls voting drives on sundays. The latest texas voting Restriction Bill blocked in the legislature when democrats walked out and denied a quorum necessary to have a vote, that bill eliminated voting on Sunday Morning immediately after church. And now at least one republican in texas who supported that bill wants you to believe that that was a typo. That they meant to have the Sunday Voting hours begin at 11 00 a. M. But someone dropped the digit and made it a one and then extended that typo to change an a to a p and 11 00 a. M. Became 1 00 p. M. The kind of thing that in 16th century would have been called a scriveners error. That is one thing i look forward to fixing the most. Call it whatever you want to. I talked to our Team Yesterday Kind of regrouping what happened. That was not intended to be reduced. I think there was a, call it a mistake if you want to. What should have been 11 was printed up as one. Scriveners error . Okay. The problem with that is one of the republicans supporting the bill in the debate actually, specifically defended the 1 00 p. M. Start time written in the bill. It was a specific subject of the debate. And everyone heard that. Now one republican is trying to claim that was a Sc Richlt veners error. Why . Why are some republicans in the Texas Legislature actually embarrassed by what theyve done, what theyve tried to do . What other mistakes are they ready to apologize for . What happens next in texas . Leading off our discussion Tonight Beto Orourke a former democratic congressman representing el paso, texas, he is the founder of powered by people, an organization helping elect democrats in texas. Thank you very much for joining us Tonight. I know how hard you are working on this every single day now. What are we seeing in this Texas Legislator who is Coming Up and saying oh, no, sorry, the 1 00 p. M. Was a scriveners error. We made a mistake. Any other mistakes they want to admit to at this point . I think they are just hoping you wouldnt notice. That might be why. The Senate Version was debated literally through the small hours of the night into the morning and was passed i think at 5 30 a. M. El paso time. The next day in the house they had dumped on them 20 new pages of amendments they didnt have time to read before the debate and the vote was going to be called but thank god for the Texas House democrats who though they were in the minority were able to stop this Voter Suppression Bill sb7 that had all the provisions you just described and also included one that would allow the state of texas to overturn a lawfully, democratically decided election based on simply the allegation of fraud. It is something folks threatened to do in 2020 if passed in texas the legislature would have the power to do that in, say, the 2024 president ial election when now 40 Electoral College votes are at stake. It is very clear what they are trying to do but also clear they tried to do it under cover of darkness. Now that theyve been stopped and texas democrats have bought us some time we have to make the most of it. The only way really to do that is to ensure that the united States Senate and President Joe Biden pass the for the people act within their power unlike the texas democrats in the minority they are actually in the majority. They can do this. They just have to decide they want to and get it done. Lets listen to what Mark Elias said, the Election Lawyer working for the democrats all over the country bringing lawsuits all over the country fighting these things and says the solution is national. We can give it ill read this from the New York Times about this meeting that he had with the senate democrats last week where he was in there. Ive been in those meetings in the senate where they are all gathered in one room. Senator manchin was there and the New York Times report indicates Senator Manchin just listened silently to Mark Elias throughout that discussion. Then when it was over he told reporters im learning. Basically were going to be talking and negotiating, talking and negotiating, talking and negotiating. What is your reaction to that . Im so glad you played some of that instagram live interview with Stacey Abrams earlier. She recounted this wonderful story that took place in 1964. Andrew young, dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Went in to visit President Johnson and said we have to pass a Voting Rights act. President johnson was purported to say i dont have the power. Congress isnt going to do this. When they left dr. King apparently said to Andrew Young well get this done. Andrew young said how in the world are we going to do that . Dr. King said were going to get the president some power. That is what Stacey Abrams and other civil rights and Voting Rights leaders are doing. We know President Biden wants to sign this into law. He mentioned it yesterday at the commemoration of the Tulsa Massacre and connected it to Voting Rights and civil rights and the fight before us right now. But We The People of this country need to help give him and those senate democrats who want to get this done the power to get it done because i firmly believe we will not get a second crack. If we lose democracy in this year in 2021 it is not like we get another shot in 2022 or 2023. Once we lose it, it is gone forever. With more than 360 Voter Suppression Bills spread out across 47 State Legislatures the first successful attack on the u. S. Capitol since the war of 1812 just five months ago, and now Conspiracy Theorists spreading the rumor that somehow Donald Trump is going to rise from The Ashes and take control of our government again, it is not beyond what is possible to think that there will be more political violence and more attempts to suppress votes or overturn elections. This one is on us. We have about a plongt before the Texas Legislature is called back into Special Session and try to pass this again. I really hope we can rally the country, the cause of democracy in passing the for the people act. What you just said is exactly why i present this as the number one issue. I am not the only one. It is so obvious that if you lose democracy, if you lose that, you wont be able to achieve any of your other aims through your vote. If they manage to block it this way. And trying to explain this to people who live in states, you know, like massachusetts, california, where their particular Voting Process is never threatened by a republican legislature there is the linkages Stacey Abrams was making Tonight that, yes, but your vote in california is fed into an Electoral College that can be corrupted by these republican State Legislatures. That is absolutely right. You wont have a democratic nominee win the presidency in future years if the Voter Compression laws pass. In addition to maketing harder for people to vote and clear harder for Black Americans to vote, in texas for those with disabilities, for those who live in big cities. They are also now reserving the right to overturn elections. There goes your opportunity to win texas, to win georgia again, win arizona. To win iowa. This is literally happening across the country. And just what gets me, lawrence, is that the republicans are so focused on getting this done and it sometimes feels like democrats are, you know, blindly seeking some kind of compromise from a party that hoisted this insurrection upon us in the first place, trying to suppress the vote across the country, and is really dragging down democracy with it. Weve got to stand for something. If as americans we dont stand for this democracy, that Men And Women In Uniform fought and died for, that men and women in the civil Rights Era fought and died for then who are we at the end of the day . I sure hope the democrats stand for this if they stand for anything at all. This is their chance to prove that to the country. Beto orourke thank you for joining us on this most important issue. Please come back whenever you can. We really appreciate it. Thank you. 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Israels parliament would have to vote to ratify the new government. That vote is expected in the next 12 days. Joining us now is Ben Rhodes former deputy national Security Adviser to President Obama an msnbc political analyst. His new book has received rave reviews from Barack Obama and Rachel Maddow. What more does it need . It is entitled after the fall, being american in the World Weve made. Ben, thank you very much for joining us Tonight. 12 days is a very long time with a fragile and complex coalition in the israeli parliament that might or might not produce a new prime minister. How do you read the Tonight'>Situation Tonight . Well, lawrence, weve never seen anything quite like this. What you essentially have is lapid, The One with the mandate, a centrist with a two State Solution supported and Naftali Bennett a hard right nationalist who has spoken about annexing the West Bank together with the first time in israeli government an arab party coming into this mix. What they all have in common is they would like to see netanyahu out. That is the new principle of the coalition. It is fragile but it does appear that this is really the most likely next government and this could be the end of 12 years of Benjamin Netanyahu. This is not a huge mandate for a new government but the thing that has unified this incredibly diverse coalition that runs the gamut in terms of the spectrum of israeli politics is people who think it is time for netanyahu to be out and frankly to face accountability for his corruption crimes. So what happens in the life of Benjamin Netanyahu if 13 days from now he is no longer prime minister . Well, look. Hes been indicted. He is facing very serious corruption charges. That personal corruption accepting gifts but also structural corruption, using the power of his office to corrupt the Israeli Media to exert leverage over the things the Israeli Media would say about him. And so this is very seriously the accountability he faces. In a way it mirrors the circumstance faced by Donald Trump who was his closest ally who he fully embraced in a way that i think contributed further to the polarization of some of the issues around the u. S. Israel Relationship in an unfortunate way. So i think people have thought as israel has gone through four different elections and netanyahu has fought Truth And Nail to stay in Power Part of the reason was he wanted the immunity that came with being prime minister. He wanted the knesset, the israeli parliament to pass immunity so he couldnt be convicted of his corruption charges. If this goes forward he has to face the music. I think that was part of the motivating factor as well as the sense its been 12 years. It is time for israel to move on. Time for new leadership here. It seems that one of the calculations in the coalition can be that even though i am engaging in a coalition with my opponents as some of these parties are obviously, putting this together, maybe this new Government Wont last long, which is okay, because it will at least get netanyahu out. Thats 100 my read on the situation, lawrence. Lapid was the guy tasked with forming the government and he is offered the position of prime minister to Naftali Bennett who is a political rival. Under the Agreement Lapid would become prime minister in a couple years but most of us are looking at a situation, dont expect this government to last for its full mandate. It is likely there will be some kind of election at some point in the coming years but i think what the politicians have calculated is, look. I think there is reason behind it beyond political interest. Israel has been dead locked in elections through four elections. Benjamin netanyahu has been an incredibly polarizing figure. I remember being in a car with Barack Obama going to simon Perezs Funeral and saying, look, he had an amazing legacy, built so much to be proud of. What is netanyahus legacy . Obama looks at me and he said, well, breaking the israeli left. And that is what netanyahu has done with such great skill. He has divided these different parties, different factions, held power, led to a kind of a right Wing Drift in israeli politics and i think the politicians are saying lets move beyond the Netanyahu Era and fight it out probably in some future election. For now theyre probably not likely to deviate significantly from Israels Policy and probably will be less overt kind of getting into American Politics as he did on things like the iran Issue And Theyll focus on domestic issues until ultimately they face another election. Ben rhodes the new book after the fall, being american in the World Weve made rave reviews from Rachel Maddow and Barack Obama. Thank you very much for joining us Tonight. 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Pete buttigieg and Andy Slavitt have taken their Problem Solving Skills to government in different ways with Andy Slavitt mastering the complexities of the Governments Delivery of Health Insurance and Health Care services first by saving the Obama Care Website for President Obama and then serving as a Deputy Administrator and Acting Administrator for the centers for Medicare And Medicaid services in the Obama Administration. It was Andy Slavitts College Room Mate who steered him toward the Health Care sector but not by giving him career advice. His College Room Mate was a physician, married, and had twins when he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. When he died five months later his widow and children moved into a spare room at Andy Slavitts house where the slavitts had a newborn baby of their own. Andy slavitt saw up close how crushing medical bills could be. Another College Room Mate of Andy Slavitt says i think he became very passionate because he saw a huge problem. Andy slavitt did not expect to return to government after serving in the Obama Administration but he never saw a bigger problem than the Coronavirus Pandemic and when President Biden asked him to serve as a White House Senior Adviser on covid19 Andy Slavitt agreed to go back into Government Service to make sure the Vaccination Program succeeded. Here is what Andy Slavitt said in his first appearance on this program as an adviser to President Biden. By the time we get to summer, to independence day, well be in a situation where many of the things in our lives, not all of them, but many things we cherish so much namely spending time with one another, well have that back. And joining us now for his Exit Interview of sorts from the biden administration is Andy Slavitt White House Senior Adviser for covid response. We always knew this was a temporary appointment you were going into basically trying to wrestle this Vaccination Program in this first quarter of the year, first half of the year in dealing with the covid pandemic. Where do you think we are Tonight . Well, thank you for having me. It has certainly been a great honor to serve. I think where we sit today were not done by any means but we have all lived through what perhaps may be one of the most spectacular transformations of a country and a countrys well being in as short a period of time from the time President Biden took office when covid was killing thousands of people a day, we couldnt produce vaccines, people were very scared and frustrated. To today when we are really having a much more manageable situation and a situation where if we continue to do what is in front of us now the worst is behind us. We have plenty of things to worry about the rest of the globe, plenty of problems we had before the pandemic we can start worrying about again but we can start reuniting with our families, moving on with our lives, from this period of time. Andy, knowing that you were coming in temporarily how do you feel Tonight with what youve accomplished and how does it compare to the way you felt on your first night on the job . What was your Confidence Level on your first night on the job that wed be as successful as we have been so far . First of all i knew i was joining a great team. Jeff saenz, ron klain, and the president who was just so committed to showing the country that if we pull ourselves together, our bestselves, we can do anything. He was committed not just to that but to expertise, committed to equity for everyone. And so that was a good feeling. I will admit, lawrence, it was a very heavy feeling. Thousands of people dying every day. Knowing that if we head wrong decisions or didnt act quickly enough thousands more would die. Was one of the heaviest feelings i think many of us have ever felt. I will tell you that the day that we got on to the internet or i remember getting on the internet and saw a picture of a Woman Hugging her grandmother for the first time felt like something that so many of us across the country, not of course just the White House, but scientists, people distributing vaccines, nurses, doctors, Front Line workers worked so hard for, it was emotional. Was It Dejavu for you when we were all kind of complaining about how hard it was as we were trying to find appointments say in february and march for coronavirus vaccines and the online system was vexing almost everywhere in the country . You know what was really interesting at the time we were getting pressed pretty hard. Can you fix the technology . And of course people looked to some of us who had been involved in technology before. And the thing that i noticed and the thing i believed and i think one of our seminole moments was saying to the public the truth as we understood it which was the following. We have a shortage. And actually got nurses sending me emails and notes saying for the first time they felt things were going to be okay when they simply heard us telling the truth that we have a shortage. And, look. If amazon. Com did not have any of the books you wanted to buy you would think it was a lousy website. It wasnt a website problem. It was that we were left with a shortage and we had to fix it. Once we fixed the shortage we actually built tools, text lines, and other things for young people because we anticipated that the Challenge Wasnt going to be getting people to appointments. The challenge was going to be getting the next set of people to whom they werent willing to go through all of the trouble to actually get to the system. Thats where we started focusing our technology efforts. You were steered to the Health Care system when you were sitting there with her and trying to figure out how to pay those crushing bills, you helped them pay those bills he incurred on the way to his death, a physician who when he got that diagnosis only had five months to live. Such a personal and tight and emotional connection to the gravity and to the grueling nature of people trying to deal with the Health Care system. How do you feel Tonight about what youve been able to accomplish in these two tours in government and what you could turn to, your old room mate, jeff, Tonight and tell him about what you were able to accomplish . Well, thank you for bringing that up. I think what you just told is a story probably familiar to many, many people in this country which is being faced with the twin challenge of a scary Health Issue and figuring out how to pay for it at the same time. I will tell you that his they had twin 1yearolds when jeff, when lynn lived with us when jeff passed away. A year ago or when i was in the Obama Administration i got a chance to invite his then i think 16, 17yearold daughter to the White House and for an event. It was incredible to see her there. I dont count, you know, i dont count my experience as particularly unique. Unfortunately i count my experience as a Little Bift The American story. Thankfully with people like President Biden, President Obama, there are opportunities for people like me and millions of others across the country to get involved to make a difference to fix what we dont like. And to show what we can do as a country again. That was part of what i think this presidency set out to do and i know it is going to achieve. Andy slavitt, thank you on a personal level for helping get this vaccine delivered to me when i appreciate and hundreds of millions of other people and thank you for your service in this government this time around and last time around. Thank you very much. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. Coming up, Donald Trump thinks hes going to be reinstated as president , which means its time for a check on Donald Trumps Mental Health. We will be joined once again by former harvard medical School Professor of psychiatry, dr. Lance dotas, next. Sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your name and theyre always glad you came you wanna be where you can see ahah our troubles are all the same ahah you wanna be where everybody knows your name you wanna go where people know welcome back, america. It sure is good to see you. Your mission stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. And take. It. On. With rinvoq. Rinvoq a oncedaily pill can dramatically improve symptoms. 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Com we are 134 days into the Biden Presidency which means we are 134 days into Donald Trumps living hell. 134 days of Donald Trump living his worst life. In november when Joe Biden won the Election Peter marks predicted the final chapter of Donald Trumps life would be like this. He will never have another good day. Loser label will haunt him. The law will pursue him. Mental illness will hobble him. His properties will bankrupt him. So far it appears all of those things are coming true. Donald trump is a loser being pursued by the law in a manhattan Grand Jury and Grand Jury in atlanta investigating possible election interference. Donald trump is trying to unload properties where business has collapsed like his washington, d. C. Hotel. And the latest evidence that Mental Illness is hobbling Donald Trump is contained in this tweet by the New York Times maggie haberman. Trump has been telling a number of people he is in contact with that he expects he will be reinstated by august. A former Crack Addict is now taking credit for the idea of trumps august resurrection. Mike lindell who sells pillows and is being sued for his lies about the election told The Daily Beast today, quote, if trump is saying august, that is probably because he heard me say it publicly. Now that we are on the threshold of the long, hot summer of Donald Trumps discontent, which will not end with him being reinstated its time for a check on Donald Trumps Mental Health. Joining us now is dr. Lance dodes, retired assistant clinical Professor Of Psychiatry at harvard medical school. He contributed to the book the dangerous case of Donald Trump. 37 psychiatrists and Mental Health experts assess a president. Dr. Dodes, thank you for joining us once again Tonight. It was the talk of being reinstated that made me want to talk to you again Tonight. This is Donald Trump thinking, perhaps, that in august he will be president again. What is your professional reaction to that . Well, Donald Trump is delusional. This is not news. Weve known this for the past four years at least. He keeps insisting on things as true which are demonstrably false. That is the definition of delusion. I think what we are seeing is a continuation of his grandiose delusion that he is better than everyone, more important than everyone, and consequently no one else matters. He doesnt care about anyone else. It is all about his own power. Part of the hell you speak of is i think he is enraged which is not unusual for him. I dont think he is capable of being sorrowful at his loss though because he doesnt know that hes lost. He is deluded about it. So i think that what we are seeing is the increasingly desperate attempts to hold on to this power which will continue. Weve said this for the last four years. The more pressure he is under the more he will be outrageous in his demands, the more the lies will increase, the big Lie Technique will get bigger and bigger. You have consistently said in effect it will get worse. Donald trumps condition will get worse. And it will get worse because the pressure increases. That was one of the factors. Certainly a grand Jury Investigation in manhattan is a very significant increase in pressure along with the other grand Jury Investigation happening in georgia over his election interference. Those are new kinds of pressures for him because he is no longer president. There is nothing he can do to interfere with those. Right. And lack of power is the thing that he Cant Stand and doesnt acknowledge. Since it cant be true in his world in his delusional world he has to do he has to change reality to make it so. So he creates, you know, the illusion that he has some information and things are going to happen. He promises hell be back in office and what not. It is more of the same and i think if none of these things pan out for him i think what well see is he will become even more overtly diluted and ive said for sometime I Cant be sure but he is certainly at risk of leaving the country rather than facing the law. Is it possible that there might come a day if he is, say, convicted of a crime in New York that something could happen where he could have that moment where he kind of admits where he really is in the world . I dont think so. That would be a sign of Mental Health actually. The ability to grieve is normal. I dont think he can do that. I think he can only become more enraged and psychotic. Dr. Lance dodes, thank you very much for joining us once again. We always appreciate it. Sure. Good to be with you. Thanks for having me. Thank you. 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The same person who is unable to sustain interest in a blog is still capable of convincing republican State Legislators to try to rig the next president ial election for him, even if he is a convicted felon by then. Joining us now, zerlina maxwell, the host of the program zerlina, airing on peacock. And jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst. Zerlina, the trump delusion, the collapse of the blog, the collapse of the trump hotel, and yet, and yet republican State Legislators around the country still try to rig the next election for him. Really been thinking deeply about this, lawrence, because i dont understand the strategy in the long term. I see the shortterm calculation. The republican base believes that the election was stolen, 63 of the base. I dont know how they reconcile that with all of the house members of the Gop Side accepting the Election Results in the same election. But theyre not really big on facts on that side right now. I just think that theyre in a space in which theyre beholden to the person who lost. Its almost like, you know, a great Television Show, not a great Television Show in this case, but it goes one season, gets canceled, and has a Cult Following that very much cares about a reboot or a new season of that show. But everybody else has moved on. I think the country has moved on, we want to go beyond Donald Trump. And i think the long term impact of the Republican Party sticking with him this long is going to theyre going to face consequences of that decision in the long term. Jonathan, we saw a consequence Last Night in New Mexico, a special election to fill the seat in the first congressional district. The democrat, melanie stansbury, won 60. 3 of the vote. She had a 24. 6 margin, Joe Biden had a 23 margin in that district. The continuation of trumpism does not seem to be helping. That was an urban district, a heavily democratic district. I dont think we should read too much into it. But the larger point is that this assumption that the democrats are necessarily going to lose seats in the 2022 midterms because of Voter Suppression and the normal physics of American Politics, where the party out of the White House almost always loses seats, that assumption may be false. And the reason for that is some of what zerlina was talking about, that disgust with trump is still alive in the land. And also, when you try to take away peoples right to vote, the backlash against that, the fact that for black voters, that their parents and grandparents in some cases died for the right to vote, you could see turnout in a Midterm Election that matches or approaches turnout in a general election. Excuse me, in a president ial election year. If that happens, if the Midterms Approach President ial level turnout, its a blowout for the democrats. Then you have a totally new set of circumstances, you know, Joe Manchin doesnt have as much power. And were dealing with a posttrump era. And hes not a factor anymore in 2024. And zerlina, its hard to imagine what the republicans will be running on in two years in terms of actual platforms. What they were running on in New Mexico was basically just attack the other side. Everything the other side says is wrong. Then ascribe falsehoods to them, defund the police, all that kind of stuff. It didnt work. The democratic candidate was talking about what she actually wanted to do, and what she supported in governing policy. Well, i think that democrats should look at this particular race, i agree with jonathan, you dont want to look too deeply into one race, but i think there are some things that are instructive. If democrats are focusing on what they want to do for the american people, regardless of whatever technical device like the filibuster is in the way, they get those things done. It doesnt matter what republicans say, theyre going to call democrats socialists, and say that is scary, but the overall message is the same. So democrats, i think, would be smart to try to lean into a message about the things that theyre going to do for people that will improve their lives. If you give people real results that they can point to and say, i can go to the doctor, i didnt have to pay a copay for my Birth Control because of Obama Care or something tangible like that, i got a vaccine compliments of this administration, Thats Something you can take to the bank. That brings people to the polls to keep that particular party in power, regardless of what the message the other side is spinning. Jonathan, we only have a few seconds left. Joe manchin has a meeting scheduled with the naacp next week. We know that is only going to be about the 60vote Threshold in the senate. Yeah, and hes not going to bend on that. Were not going to see Real Change on that any time soon. But i think Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer are playing a longer game with manchin. Theyre trying to bring him along. And zerlina makes the key point. Last year, the republicans literally did not have a platform for their campaign for the first time since the invention of Political Parties in the 1790s. They stand for nothing. That gives the democrats a big advantage. Jonathan, zerlina, thank you very much for joining us. Thanks, lawrence. That is Tonights last word. The 11th Hour with Brian Williams starts now. Good evening once again. Day 134 of the biden administration. Which is now in an allout sprint to get people in this country vaccinated. Today, the president announced a new campaign to reach his goal of at least 70 of adults vaccinated by the fou