Is one of our legal breakdowns i want you to stay tuned for. We will get exactly into the man who decides the fate of Trump Org and potentially the fate of trump itself. Surgical general murphy. We begin with the two potential suspects of the probe i mentioned, donald Trump Jr. And eric trump. They actually have decided to do what many defendants in this Trump Orbit have done. Theyre subjects potentially, not defendants yet. But they are speaking out on television. This is significant because its the first time since the news broke that there is a Grand Jury impanelled, which is significant escalation of that case as it weighs charges. Now, charges may not mean anyone, right . You can always decide not to charge anyone. Or it could mean trump executives. Along with eric weisselberg. Don and eric ran the company in absent when Donald Trump was at the White House. Eric trump with some Sort Of window into the Grand Jury process. My father gets subpoena after subpoena. They attack us for doing absolutely nothing wrong. They look for any comma thats out of place. The misconduct is out of control. We are not hearing anything from the prosecutor side. But we are getting a window into, a, why lawyers tell people not to do these cases. The heat down to the individual comma. The heat here looks pretty real. Don jr. Coming out about the new York Attorney general. I think its a political persecution. And i know that because she literally campaigned on it. In New York, it is okay to try to persecute your political enemies, and they have been doing that for over five years. So five years, no actual crime. Theyre in search of a crime. They have been trying to investigate to create a crime. This is, of course, an echo of what Donald Trump has said. And we report out what people involved in these probes are going to say. Whether it is credible or not is whether everyone else to decide. Part of the argument here is to distract from or push away from what the Trump Organization does and whether its done anything illegal and try to turn the heat on letitia james, who is the Attorney General. As for the allegation of partisan selection of her targets or people under investigation, its worth noting she has an open probe into the democratic governor of New York, andrew cuomo. James is separate from but working with the prosecutor who convened Cy Vance. Here is another quote from eric. They attack us. They go after us for doing nothing wrong. They gave up business when my father went to the White House. The Trump Brand may have been damaged but trump made over 1. 9 billion in revenue during his first three years in office. Complaints about subpoenas. Complaints about the prosecutors, complaints about the impact on business. We are seeing some round of nerves here as the Grand Jury shows this case is accelerating. And we bring in our experts. He was obamas Polling Guru and an msnbc analyst. Cornell, i will begin with you because im not beginning with the law because i dont think the interview, while newsworthy, to be sure, was primarily legal. But it does show the way that Donald Trump, who is down in florida and is in a certain position. Hes clearly got sway over the republicans but is not necessarily doing this interview himself. He seems to be calling on the family to do what Michael Cohen and Rudy Giuliani and others did, which is defend him with or without all the facts. Yeah. What hes doing is hes being political, right . This is not about the law at all. Hes trying to cover himself and trying to gain some political favor. Look, the Fox News Network is a powerful one. I think, you know, i think, ari, you and i both agree that even getting nixon out of office would have been difficult is he was around. Look, even raising money for their people. So what clearly hes trying to do right now is set the political Table And Spin this and make him and Donald Trump and the organization look like victims of this far left Wing Conspiracy run by people like you and the media who are coming after him and of course hate him. So it is really Sort Of lifting up those longterm enemies that trump and the Trump Organization has always gone after. The media is key here in saying theyre the bad guys. Theyre coming after them and it is unfair. What hes doing right now is playing politics. By the way, it is not bad politics on his part. Interesting. Emily, im going to tee up a little more of Don Jr. Saying something that, again, i try to be as fair as possible. Some of what they said appears untrue or is Sort Of beside the point and sometimes they overlap with arguments that serious, independent legal experts have discussed. There is a long Running Debate about the type of qualified immunity that Government Officials get during and after office. Bill clinton was pursued repeatedly by a range of cases. Some felt legitimate. Some were clearly right wing funded kind of things to hassle. And the courts have debated it. With fairness in mind, wait a minute, is it fair to target the president . You can go after a former president , target them for years. Even if they dont get anything, they get you to spend millions of dollars, and thats Sort Of a win in and of itself and its tens of millions of dollars. Emily, on all the above. Well, i think that if were worried about political prosecutions, about, you know, each president turning on the former president and illegitimately pursuing investigations, that would be a serious concern. That does happen in countries where controlling The Machine of justice turns into a weapon that you use against your political opponents. On the other hand, especially once you are out of office, if you have done things that might violate the law, you dont get a free pass because you used to be the president. Thats the kind of balance that we want prosecutors to strike. And i think its still really hard to tell whether, you know, the new York District attorney and Attorney General are striking the right balance because we only are seeing glimpses and maybe the tip of the iceberg of the evidence they have. Im interested in this idea theyre Filing Subpoena after subpoena because that is more evidence that this is a document heavy case, that theyre looking into Tax Fraud and into other uses of former President Trumps business in ways that may have violated the law. So then you just want to know, okay, what are those subpoenas producing . Yeah. What do you think of the significance, if any, of these Trump Family members and executives speaking out now . I mean, i think that that cornell is right. This is a political move that you make to stir up your base. Youre going on fox news. Youre saying to people, there is nothing to see here. We have done nothing wrong. This is a witch hunt. And it is a tactic that President Trump used over and over again in office. And i absolutely could see why it would be politically attractive to the Trump Family to continue casting themselves in this light in front of their audience. Its also interesting that even though there was some criticism of fox from President Trump at The End of his term in office, remember, they didnt go along with like the election was stolen quite as much as some other conservative media outlets. It seems like the family is back with fox. Thats not surprising because fox has the biggest audience and has been so crucial in getting their message out. Yeah. And that goes to what would be the public perception, particularly on the right, but also they have been able to push out a lot of stories that then get echoes, cornell, about what this is. Is this the music finally playing and something catching up with him about how he does business in New York with an independent prosecutor and An Ag who has been investigating people in both parties as mentioned, or is this perceived as, well, they have never really dealt with him. I raised this point on the program so viewers could make up their own minds. If new York Prosecutors had this information and he was investigated by the same office, are they late to this because hes become such a controversial figure on the right . I wonder why not go somewhere with more influence . Why not go and make the case in a Video Post on Trumps Blog . Because i think that blog came down today because apparently not enough trump supporters are reading that blog. You could fill in the joke about whether or not trump supporters can read. Im not going to do that joke because i will get mad twitter im not doing that. Im not making fun of the readers in any way. The blog didnt last a month. We do have more on that as well later in the program. But go ahead, cornell. But it also speaks to, look, i think the power of the media. And for better or worse, fox is seen as part of this Mainstream Media is problematic because you are argue theyre problem began propaganda at this point. If trump tries to do it on his own, he fails. Of course they go back to fox. Of course they go back to as Mainstream Media as they can. You know, if he were to come on your show or any of some of the other Mainstream Media shows or even to the newspapers, you know, they would pick Don Jr. s story apart, right . This is a White House that is ensconced in corruption. I lost count. But they have more people indicted or plead guilty or under investigation for crimes than any White House in modern history. So the idea that they are being unfairly prosecuted or come after, no, how about you all are a den of corrupt individuals . And thats not me saying it. Thats what the record shows when you look at the people who pleaded guilty or been indicted that have been connected to this White House. Right. And thats why there is so much intrigue about the fact that under the rules a sitting President Wasnt going to be indicted. A lot of them around him were. It is a real question hanging under the nation right now wherever it lands. I want to thank you. What cornell just said brings us to what were going to do next. I have a Special Report on the prosecutor who will ultimately decide whether Donald Trump is charged and faces the threat of jail time or not. We also have the Surgeon General tonight and The End of an era. The Trump Blog folds in under a month. Stay with us. 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The reason is that evidence suggests that trump has done things that have landed other people in jail, like paying virtually no taxes for years while claiming to be worth billions. And surrounding himself with convicted criminals, including his campaign chair, his longest serving adviser, his lawyer and several other top to i shall ifs. Donald trump is the most investigated former President Since nixon. And unlike nixon, hes not holding on to a pardon. Whether trump is ultimately indicted or not now turns more on one person than any other. And its a person most americans cant even name. It is not a Bill Bar Type or bob mueller. Although, you can think of this person in a way as the mueller of New York. While this person is not famous, well, his job certainly is. Being the top prosecutor in manhattan is an iconic position. It is the stuff of legend or comics, presiding over the big calls in New York. Right now the new York Da is running this accelerated investigation of Trump Org. He will make the call on any possibly indictments of the company or its founder. Cy vance is a fairly low key 66yearold Prosecutor who has been on the job for more than a decade. He hasnt become as famous as figures like giuliani or mueller. But he will make one of the most consequential calls in the history of the american presidency. How did he get here . We are really interested in using all the tools we have. So we started the pro hoops program. Our office will continue to cooperate with the federal government in its battle against terrorism and we will continue to use every tool at our disposal. Today marks the 7th major case involving Sanction Violations by a large international bank that my office has pursued and resolved. New york d. A. S just dont Pick Cases they want. Theyre in manhattan, the citys legendary ceos, bankers, Power Broker present all kinds of tests. The last d. A. Before vance won big fraud cases against the bank of Credit And Commerce international and just like some of the questions that face the Trump Org right now, legally there is a Fine Line being aggressive Business Tactics and outright fraud. As d. A. Vance launched a major economic crimes bureau, he is active in patrolling the entire community. On the other hand, he was criticized for following the path after the financial crash treating banks activities as bad judgment rather than crime. Making a case out of actions by quite a small Community Bank in chinatown, which is a case his office went on to lose. What the d. A. Accused the bank of was ridiculous. And really nothing considering what the big banks were doing. All too big to fail banks, morgan stanley, goldman sachs, j. P. Morgan chase have admitted to massive crimes. Thats clearly not a big, big bank. And clearly it was not representative of the entire financial community. But i think the principal was the same. The larger principal here is deciding when a companys crimes are so severe it should be indicted as a criminal enterprise or seriously fined while it continues to do business. Vance has been winning settlements, 14 Billion over all and using it to address the systemic backlog in dealing with Sexual Assault cases. It is actually something he told us about here on msnbc. What i decided to do last fall was to use 35 Million of money we received through federal forfeiture and to commit to Fund Testing around the country. For a prosecutor, this is unusual and it speaks to a natural problem with a solution thats not ideal. The reason we got involved in is i think it is a tragedy, and i dont think thats an overstatement. Authorities say the money recovered from banks in that Program Led to over 180 new arrests. Vances allies say it is the kind of Inknow Va Tuf approach that shows how much he really tears about those issues, going back years. But you should know advocates criticize his office for its approach to allegations of Sex Crimes against high Profile Defendants like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein. Vance said epstein should get the lowest possible Sex Offender Status in a court proceeding. He charged and dropped a case against a prominent french politician. Some legal experts say he bungled that case. Others said he was actually scared to finish the job. District Attorney Vance has abandoned an innocent woman and had denied an innocent woman a right to get justice in a rape case. Why were they so scared . Because of his power and who he was got a free ride. In 2015, vance also passed on indicting weinstein for groping allegations despite audiotape evidence. Vance defended that decision at the time as all about the evidence and the rules, not whether he wanted to get someone like weinstein. I, as d. A. , have to be guided by the evidence and the elements of the crime and my experts in the office. And if i stop being guided by any of those things and start being guided by outside influences, whether its money or whether its public opinion, then im not doing my job. And that brings us to the key about d. A. Vance, which may turn out to be the key to the fate of the Trump Organization and Donald Trump. If you remember one thing about this d. A. Who will decide trumps fate, remember this. He moves slowly but he will double down in a legal doover. Now, a lot of prosecutors dont like doovers. If they drop a case, they dont want to lean into bringing it back up again. But when more evidence did emerge about weinstein with possible cases in several parts of the country, d. A. Vance did lean back into the case that brought him so much earlier criticism. He became the first prosecutor to indict Harvey Weinstein by winning the case, which the New York times saw as the d. A. sshot at redemption. The verdict handed down. Harvey weinstein found guilty of rape. Guilty of rape and criminal Sexual Assault. Guilty of rape in the third degree. Harvey weinstein has finally been held accountable for crimes he committed. Some may have thought that took too long, but that legal Do Over worked. And the history is relevant to the Trump Org probe because this probe is also something of a doover for d. A. Vance. He already probed the Trump Organization back in 2012 for allegedly defrauding tenants at trump soho. But he dropped the case saying the tenant victims settled and refused to cooperate on him and he had to focus on other cases with victims who actually want us to take the case. He returned some of the money that year and the rest in 2017 after media scrutiny. And he seemed more warm to trump, according to some, after the 2016 election, even writing this note that, quote, Criminal Justice issues were important to President Elect Trump and offering collaboration. Now, we asked Vances Office about that for tonights report. They stress that vance personally supported Clinton Over Trump but the letter was more about the traditional intergovernmental relationships with all White Houses, irrespective of political party. So some prosecutors might want to leave that old Trump Org case with some of those things i just mentioned and the controversy. Just leave it behind. But vance clearly doesnt avoid doovers when he has the evidence. And that brings us tonight to the ultimate doover. The d. A. Of New Yorks second probe of Trump Org. An outcome that may define not only his entire legal career but also quite literally the next few years of Donald Trumps life. Just as past doovers which showed a willingness to get more aggressive and assertive, he has surpassed his power to succeed legally whether others failed, waging and winning that multiyear battle to seize Donald Trumps Tax Returns setting new Case Law about the president ial power, about the idea that no one is above the law, a win at the Supreme Court itself. Okay former President Trump suffered a major Supreme Court defeat. A major decision from the u. S. Supreme court. Declining to block a New YorkGrand Jury from getting President Trumps personal and corporate Tax Returns. Clearing the way now for investigations to finally get their hands on the former President STax Returns. They have got them. The manhattan District Attorney now is in possession of former president Donald Trumps Tax Returns. Millions of pages of trumps financial documents. The documents now under a microscope at the d. A. soffice. If they reveal crimes, ready to act. And legally take this altogether tonight and there are basically three doors here for how this probe ends according to precedent. One, it could still end like the d. A. slast Trump Org case. After much attention and drama, closed without any charges. Two, like vances other doovers, he could go farther and try to indict the Trump Org or indict its staff, which is a big deal. Or, three, d. A. Vance could indict the organizations founder himself, Donald Trump. When you actually take it altogether and you learn about this d. A. , it is pretty simple where we go from here. We know this Grand Jury has basically six months this year. We know the d. A. Finishes his term. Door number one is basically nothing. Thats status quo. Door number two could put pressure on Donald Trump and potentially bankrupt him by toppling the company that kept him afloat so many years. We have seen capsize by major settlements or indictments. And then there is Door Number three. That would be unprecedented history. An expresident reporting into central booking for a Mug Shot and then the trial of the century. Now, as a matter of law, former President S are citizens. Theyre not immune from this kind of investigation of prosecution. They dont have the powers and protections of a sitting president. Facts. But im also here to give you context beyond facts. The indictment of any expresident , let alone this one, would take america into uncharted territory in a time of tremendous unheval. As he said, he said he only follow elements in the elements of the crime he would have to prove. Not, as he put it, quote, outside influences for public opinion. No other case has ever tested that goal and that principal as much as many one. Perhaps understanding this particular d. A. Will help us inform our understanding of what he might do on this very big question. And from one new York Lawyer to another, Dan Abrams is our special guest to get into all of this when we come right back. 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And im curious from you as a new York Lawyer yourself, what is it that we should know about Cy Vance that may inform what he does . And what do you think he may do with this big decision . First let me say that i think that the analysis that you just did is the most thorough and fairest one i have seen on television about his career up to this point, The Ups And Downs of his career. You know, in The End, i think that one of the biggest decisions has already been made. And i think its one of the least discussed decisions. That was the hiring of mark pomeranz, who is a white collar expert, former prosecutor who was brought in here out of private practice making a lot of money to work in the d. A. s office overseeing this case. That immediately tells me this is much more serious than the past investigation of the Trump Organization. This is more than just we want to figure out what documents we have and we dont have. You dont bring pomeranz into the office fulltime unless you have already got a lot. So before i answer specifically your question, i will say that i think that for them to move forward, theyre going to feel that they have got an overwhelming case. This wont be a close call. This wont be a Sort Of, you know, question of intent, et cetera. With that in mind, i think the answer is that Cy Vance isnt going to move forward unless he feels he has an ironclad case not just on a minor crime. I think hes going to want to feel like, because he knows the world is watching, because, as you just pointed out, the impact would be, you know, cataclysmic of the former president being indicted, i think that he is going to be very careful and maybe even violate his own rule and apply a higher standard in this case and say, because hes the former president , i want there to be even more evidence. But with all that said, i expect based on the impanelling of the special Grand Jury, the hiring of mark pomeranzpomeranz, the Fr Tax returns, i think if we werent talking about Donald Trump, we would definitely be saying all signals point to an indictment. Yeah. Thats something. Something from you as the careful observer that you are. You mentioned pomeranz. I will remind this for viewers, overseeing major security cases, hes done the Organized Crime and most prominently went after the gambino crime boss, John Gotti himself. The brings me to the other story we were discussing tonight. What does it mean to you with individuals with potential exposure are out there talking, when ivanka has been quite quiet. Whatever brave or particular face they put on in public, they have clashed with this office before. They have a sense of how it works. Yeah. And i think you may see a very different message coming outside the courtroom than inside. Do you remember when Rudy Giuliani and the election fights outside the courtroom would say, this is all about election fraud. And then he would get in the courtroom and say, this isnt about election fraud. You may see something similar here, which is to say you will hear Don Jr. And eric and Donald Trump all making political arguments, right . This is a witch hunt. This is unfair, et cetera. But if there is an indictment, you will hear in the courtroom a very different argument, a very legalistic argument, more along the lines of what i was talking about, which is, you know, lack of Intent Or Lack of sufficient evidence here, et cetera. Remember, in these kinds of cases, as you well know, it is documents. We can talk about, you know, witnesses who are critical and they have to get this person to turn or that person. But it is about the papers. It is either there or its not there in the documents. And, yes, witnesses can help bring to life those documents, but if they have got the paperwork that shows that he lied the way that Michael Cohen claims exists, then there could be real trouble for Donald Trump. Yeah. That makes sense, dan. Thats something we were exploring in our Reporting Tonight because whether this is a good thing or not people can debate. But it is certainly the case that the New York D. A. , when it has a tie, the tie has gone to the banks and the big companies. If they can explain away and say, well, that was a Judgment Call or, yes, you see that number but at the time we didnt know. We have seen time and time again the tie go to those companies. People can have a Policy Debate about whether its good or bad. Here i would expect the tie would go to the Trump Org. If on the other hand, it is voluminous emails saying fraud was the game, then that would be different. I could talk to you about all this hour. I want to get to the book. What made you write about this . What is relevant about Kennedys Avenger in this book you write to Viewers Today . So, remember, this is our fourth book, Data Fisher and my fourth book about former President S in some way, shape or form. After having done a book on lincoln, roosevelt and john adams. We both looked at each other and said, whatever happened with Jack Ruby . I didnt really know what happened with Jack Rubys trial. Once we dug in, the details are amazing. You have one of the most famous lawyers in america representing ruby. You have a celebrity witness. You have a jailbreak that occurs literally during the trial. You have got the world watching what effectively became the Kennedy Assassination case. And many of the biggest Kennedy Conspiracies really were fueled because of this trial, because of questions that went unanswered, because of comments that were made during the trial, et cetera. And so much fascinating happened after the case with Jack Ruby. He literally went oneonone Face To face with former Supreme Court justice Earl Warren who was leading the warren commission. He questioned Jack Ruby. Jack ruby took a lie detector test. This is an unbelievable story that is so rich. I was so embarrassed i didnt know about and im so glad i got to know more about. Is it harder or easier to dispel conspiracy Theories Today as opposed to the era you just studied . Its always been hard. It is so hard to dispel Conspiracy Theories. And it is very similar to some of the ones we see today in terms of trying to lay out facts as to why things arent true. Because what you see very often with regards specifically to Jack Ruby is that i will lay out specific facts as to why the timing makes it impossible that Jack Ruby could have been involved in a broader conspiracy. And, yet, rather than address what i view is Sort Of definitive evidence that ruby could have been part of a conspiracy, the answer goes to, what about his Mob Ties . And what about his relationship in chicago . What about a Phone Call he made to a mobster a few days before this happened . It is a change of the subject, right . It is not addressing what is the clear fact. Its just Sort Of divert attention. You see that in conspiracy after conspiracy. The fact that more than half of the american public still believes that there was a conspiracy to kill john f. Kennedy tells you how powerful Conspiracy Theories can be. Its a great point. I know that part is not the whole focus of your book. Correct. But it surely makes it relevant as we grapple with these things and we think about national traumas, whether that was the Kennedy Assassination, january 6th, a horrific tragedy that also took life, took innocent life. What do we do about them . How are we armed . I know you wrote the book because were better armed with facts. Dan abrams new book Kennedys Avenger. I was interested in both topics, but when we have an excuse to get you on and talk law, well always take it, dan. Thank you, sir. Always love coming on with you. Appreciate. We have a lot more up on the program. A crisis for one florida blogger, or should i say exblogger. We got it covered. Also later, free beer and your vaccination for you or your friends. We will draw the links with the ultimate guest. I am expecting to learn a lot scientifically. The Surgeon GeneralVivek Murthy is on the program later tonight. Is on the program later tonight. Lower interest rate. My principal is going down. Sofi is a place where you can start to tackle those money goals today. Compared to where i was three years ago, im kinda killing it. [singing] oven roasted cooold cuts cooold cuts keeping your Oysters Business growing has you swamped. You need to hire. I need indeed indeed you do. 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And in a sign that the normally proud Reality Star is not proud of this archive, hes also removing all posts from the internet, page not found. He was, according to reports, quite frustrated by the fact that nobody wanted to read his blog. An adviser telling the washington post, trump didnt like that this platform was being mocked and had so few readers. Well, i cant speak to the mockery, but i can tell you facts are facts. Donald Trumps Blog as a matter of metrics, audience, readers, its a failure. Donald trump is far less relevant online that in many years. Increasingly humiliate Sgld The Complete Obvious Public failure of this brandnew announced blog. That was a public failure. We had the metrics and now we have the writer of the blog quitting. It of course wasnt supposed to be this way. This thing was announced with a hollywood style trailer. The blog lasting essentially three scaramuccis. Now, thats less than other trump projects that also ultimately failed or ended and went out of business like trump steaks, Trump Mortgage and of course trump university. Now, there is always the more serious question of whether this exPresident Should be spending so much time blogging. As Rick Ross once said, a real boss makes sure were going to eat. Forget a blog, dog, because one day were gonna meet. Well, Donald Trump rose to some of his recent prominence with all of his virtual online nonFace To face spats on twitter where he of course has now been banned and when he tried to reup the whole operation, he found his blog was crashing so badly he had to just quit. Well, The Beat viewers who lived through these 29 days together, i will say quoting a beat viewer, at least we will always have marablogo. June 2021, rip. Up ahead on The Beat, i promise we turn it into something more serious and important. The u. S. Surgeon general is here with us next. 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It may or may not be of interest. This is of huge Public Interest to the nation. With that in mind, i have some of the materials the White House put out. I want to play a little bit of some of what your administration with the president are highlighting, the positive, even fun ways to get a few more people into the vaccination game. Take a look. Beer is on them on july the 4th. Get a shot, have a beer. Free beer for everyone 21 years or over to celebrate the independence from the virus. Proving youre vaccinated, you can get a free donut a day for the rest of the year. Theyve given away more than 1. 5 Million donuts. Tell us what youre doing with this effort, and why it can be useful or really work in public health to emphasize the positive. Ari, its a really good question. Ill tell you, at the beginning of this pandemic, i remember doing an interview, and saying to the host that to overcome this pandemic, to turn it around, would require an Allin Approach in america. And that is what youre seeing right here. Every sector is getting involved. Employers, just as you showcased, theyve stepped up, in addition to the beer and the donuts. You can win a ticket to the super bowl, microsoft is offering xboxes. Companies are being creative in incentiizing people to get vaccinated. And were seeing people in communities across america to step up, talking to neighbors and friends, phone banking, text banking, going doortodoor in 1,000plus events in june. If this seems like a lot, it is. Because that is what it will take to engage and succeed in what will ultimately be the most ambitious Vaccination Campaign in the history of our country. When you look at some of the states, we have a map of efforts to curb or even ban regulations that help people understand whether everyone is vaccinated, sometimes called vaccine passports. Is that unhelpful to where you are trying to go . Ari, ultimately, we know that many businesses have been engaged in conversations around some Sort OfVerification System for vaccines. We know the private sector is pursuing some of this. And i think its a reasonable thing for people to ask for and to get. The challenge is, if youre out there right now, and youre trying to figure out what to do in various settings, what is safe and what is not safe, you dont have that kind of verification. This is where the recent guidelines from the cdc became very important. If youre vaccinated, you do not have to wear a mask indoors or outdoors. If youre unvaccinated, however, you absolutely should wear a mask. There is still a great deal of Virus Present in the community, with Tens Of Thousands of cases every day in the country. The more people we get vaccinated, the more well be able to relax some of these restrictions. And thats the goal. Were already at 63 of adults with at least one shot, but we have millions more people to go. 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