Turmoil we see now giving us the roadmap to all thats happening. From the continued attacks on our Voting Rights to the consistent lynchings, from the mass shootings plaguing the country to the snatching of our liberty. From the beauty of the culture to the hatred of the people cultivating it. Just yesterday the senate Voted down an investigation. You shouldnt be surprised theyre attempting to rewrite history and convince us January 6th department happen. Theres long been an effort to erase the ugly parts of our storied past. Today we thread the needle pinning the past to the present in hopes that the future will offer more equal footing to us all and over the next two hours youll hear from survivors and descendents of tragedies and though some of these conversations may be a bit uneasy, get comfortable in that discomfort because this is the necessary exchange to make this country into the america that so many of you already believe her to be. Joining me now is jalani cobb, Staff Writer at the New Yorker. Professor of journalism at Columbia University and msnbc university analyst. Angela rye, host of the amazing podcast on one with Angela Rye. And niamia frank, Founder And Editor in chief of the black Wall Street times. Guys, im so happy to have you here. Mostly, im happy to have people on set with me. Thank you all for being here. Niamia, i want to start with you because when i first got to tulsa to do research on the back story, i was struck by the difference in how the North Part of town, the predominantly black part of town lives to the southern part where white residents live. It highlighted how the economic impact of that devastation has carried through the times. Talk to me a little bit of that as a descendent of the Tulsa Massacre. Thank you so much for having me today, tiffany. The North Side of tulsa, it is at one point it was a food desert. We just got a Grocery Store in North Tulsa. Its been a decade since weve had access to fresh produce in our community. Across the street from one of our High Schools is a blighted old grocery district. Theres a giant hole in the wall. Kids can walk in there. I mean, its really bad. Not only do we have blithe but there is a sevenyear difference in the Life Expectancy between predominantly black people who live in North Tulsa and people who live on the south side of tulsa. And its interesting that you can make that connection to what happened 100 years ago today. Angela, i feel like tulsa is a microcosm of so much of whats happening in the country today. Like i said, tulsas not an anomaly. Having worked on Capitol Hill for several years, working on policy, what role does the federal Government Play in righting some of these past wrongs . What should we be doing to encourage the federal government to correct these conditions . Thats a great question. First we have to start with acknowledgment. So often when you hear from the survivors themselves here In Tulsa, they just want to be seen, heard, to really see justice. Uncle red testified on Capitol Hill a little over a week ago. He said, one, we are one. He said i want to see justice before i leave this earth like so many of the other survivors. We have an obligation in this country to right the wrongs of this country. If tulsa was an anomaly to your point, then we wouldnt have seen 1919. There wouldnt have needed to be a Kerner Commission. We are seeing the perpetuation of this harm through Police Departments that feel entitled to harm and cause violence on black bodies. Really, i think it starts with acknowledgment. After that comes understanding the true economic devastation that started with the enslavement of black people. Then was perpetuated through the Jim Crow era. The economic harms. Red lining. Gentrification. All of those harms have to be accounted for in a way. Theres hardly an appetite for it. They couldnt take the election of a black president. They couldnt take the election of a First Black Woman vice president. There is a visceral reaction. It is historic, systemic and problematic. The Concern Ner Commission specifically, gelani, when you read that today, so many of the problems highlighted still exist. One thing im interested, you wear a few different hats. Historian, epidemic, journalist. A lot of people think tulsa is unique in the construction and destruction. Correct that assertion, if you will. Oh, its anything but unique and the terrible thing about it is that were having this Conversation Today In Tulsa. We could have had this conversation in 2017 in east st. Louis. We could have had this conversation in 1919 in washington, d. C. , in chicago. We could have had this conversation two years from now in rose wood, florida. These are dozens of places. The reaction to The End of World War i where black people have moved into industrial environments and gotten jobs, moved out of the south, they are being pushed out at The End of the war. Theyre being pushed out of those communities, being purged and you see with a kind of Clockwork Efficiency the disruption of the most prosperous areas. We still have a Wealth Gap in this country between black and white. That goes back to people say slavery was a long time ago. Lets talk about what happened in the 20th century. We have a vital entrepreneurial district In Tulsa, oklahoma. We have a disruption of a black entrepreneurial country. We can talk about the Wealth And Capital that has been destroyed over the course of these actions and the redundancy of these actions in American History. So its tragic. Its horrifying but what happened In Tulsa is not unique. Right. You know, something interesting to me. People always love to reference chicago. Look at chicago. These People Cant govern themselves. The violence did not begin with us, it began with white violence then and riots then. Really good point. Niamia, i think there is a role for white people to have a place in this conversation. Right. I want you to take a listen. I was able to speak with mayor g. T. Vineham. He is the republican mayor here. You have a very interesting report that well talk about on the other side, but i asked him about his own connection to Racism And Enslavement in this country. I want you to take a listen. Have you specifically, the vineham family, im sure you know, enslaved nearly 1,000 people and you inherited that wealth from the family where the africanamericans who are in the community had their wealth taken from them. So when you say no Cash Payouts, i think people look at it and say, wow, you inherited wealth. You inherited your position in life because of enslaving people who look like me. How do you reconcile saying, yeah, but that was then and we dont owe you anything for that now . Because youre asking me about reparations for an event that was a Criminal Act 100 years ago. Right. But something that your family benefitted from, The System of enslavement, systemic racism, so can you imagine how the descendents of the enslaved look at your condition in life compared to their own and hear you say no Cash Payouts make people uncomfortable. I assume you mean the white people of tulsa. No. And people who all right. So i should note we did get a response from the mayors office. He says he doesnt know anything about this and did not really address, as you see, in my question his own Familys Connection to enslavement. But you were the reporter to uncover this. Talk about what you uncovered and respond to what he said. Wow. I am blown away by his response. We want to reconcile. We had a Race War here In Tulsa, oklahoma, and the seeds of that horrible behavior were born in institutional slavery. And heres the thing about mayor g. T. Bienhams family we found out. First of all, when you come from wealth, when you come from a powerful political family, you have a your history is thoroughly recorded and so, you know, what we have found is that at The End of the 1860 slave Schedules Mayor g. T. Bynums family, the Desen Department of the first bynums that came to jamestown in 1616, they had a total of 931 enslaved people. And so you think about that wealth. You think about as a descendent, my family only had 56 years to build our wealth from 1865 to 1921. Just 56 years. Right. His family had from 1619 or from 1666 when we have confirmed Slave Involvement in his family all the way to 1865. Just think about that. Its unbelievable. Yeah. I was just going to say, the other thing thats important to note is the history of mayors in his family as well. Lets be clear there is an economic and political connection to the privilege for white folks. As we sit in the heart of greenwood right now, were sitting in an area where black people dont own any of the buildings. In 1921 we observed this entire area. We dont own anything here now. Thats something that he could resolve through policy. Thats something that must be resolved through policy to get back to the heart of your first question, tiffany. It needs to happen at the local level, at the state level, at the federal level. Theyre not willing to do that. They set up a commission here that raised 30 Million and they cant find a penny of that to go to the survivors or to even ensure economic development that benefits black people. Yes. We should notice the commission has canceled their events. Jalani, you wanted to weigh in . The problem is a fundamental moral one. The people are seeking absolution from history. When you seek absolution from the atrocities, what you do is simplify those in the present. Its no coincidental that were having this conversation about tulsa and having this conversation about January 6th or we could say this conversation about charlottesville or this conversation about charleston or this conversation about El Paso or this conversation about pittsburgh. The vector of hatred moves through history thats transmitted by denial. Yes. So were talking about this, its presumed were coming from a critical place. Were coming from the place of salvation in an effort to make sure we dont see them repeated Add Inif i my tum. We dont want people to say were having the 150th, 200th, 250th commemoration of what happened In Tulsa and the complicated, compounded atrocities that will have happened in the intervening times. Absolutely. Coming from a place of salvation. Coming from a place of rich shus anger. You dont want to go anywhere. Well be talking the next two hours. 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Over the next 10 years, comcast is committing 1 Billion to reach 50 Million lowincome americans with the tools and resources they need to be ready for anything. I hope youre ready. cause we are. Joining us, michael hair yot, senior writer for the root. I want to go to you first on this. You wrote an excellent piece for the root where you addressed critical Race Theory and why you think so many people are interested in learning it and teaching it. I think that, first of all, most people who talk about critical Race Theory dont actually know what it is. And so its going to demonize it in a way that they whitewash the Publics Mind and history into believing it is this thing that criticizes white people and lumps all white people into one category, when its not. I think thats the problem with history and this discussion, right . It has no nuance. I was home schooled so i didnt learn until i didnt realize until a few years ago the way we teach history and how its done in u. S. Schools is basically a way that leaves students unable to reconcile. If you teach that Thomas Jefferson is a great States Man when someone is in the third or fourth grade and you wait until they are 16 or 17 to introduce the idea of slavery and all of this, they understand history because theyve taught theyve been taught that this man is a great, revered States Man and they cant reconcile that with slavery. All that is saying is you cant understand the history of the united states unless you understand 41 of the 56 people who signed the declaration of Independence Owned Slaves and that is the thing that was tried to be introduced was that not this white historically white way of Teaching History leaves people with the real history of this country. Right. Then you make the point, i think, thats really necessary that critical Race Theory is not about blame. Its about acknowledging what happened and putting things in context. Jalani, a textbook thoughtfully claimed that slaves are treated just like families. A Texas Geography Textbook refers to them as workers. In alabama up until the 70s fourth graders learned in a Textbook Slave Life on the plantation was happy. These are the kind of narratives were disrupting. Youre in academia, you wrote a great piece in the New Yorker. Why do you think theres such resistance in this country when it comes to critical Race Theory . Its the cult of euphemism first. People want history that serves as a resume. In order to justify it, hold a place of moral superiority in the world, they found it necessary to exice all the complicated and damning parts of history. As always theyre using history as a brief for something they want to do in the present. As it relates to critical Race Theory, im still scratching my head about this. For one, critical Race Theory is about mostly predominantly critical of liberal legal strategies. They dont talk very much about conservatism in critical Race Theory. Theyre looking at how race has functioned in the context of the law and going back to Brown Versus Board Of Education and what some of the oversights in liberal strategy have been. Its a thoroughly academic doctrine, theory. The ways people are applying it have no bearing, no relationship to what the founders of this field had in mind and one of the ways that you know, to michaels point, one of the ways you know that they dont know what theyre talking about is they Cant Name any of the people with the exception of Tim Crenshaw who has been really wrongly targeted. Right. For her work. They dont know who the rest of these people are because theyve never bothered to learn. Theyre interested in using this for propaganda purposes, not for intellectual understanding. Michael, jalani, when it comes to using it for propaganda, it seems theres a lack of ideas on the other side of the aisle. They create the cultural wars. You make the point its not about blaming people. For people who feel a bit uncomfortable about the family lineage, perhaps thats why they dont want critical Race Theory. Speak to those people who think crt is about blame. I think what we have to understand is, first of all, No One is teaching crt, critical Race Theory in schools. They might be using critical Race Theory to come up with a lesson plan, but the truth is that we cant understand the history of this country without looking at it in if you cant understand, for instance, take where you are, for instance, if you cant understand why theres such a wealth disparate In Tulsa, you cant understand that unless you look at what happened in 1921 and what critical Race Theory says is to understand some of the things that we some of the disparities, some of the discrimination that we still face today, you have to go back in history and look at it critically through the lens of race. You Cant Look at it as color blind. You cant say the Declaration Of Independence was for gave all men the right made all men equal when, again, the vast majority of the people who signed it are enslaved. Thats what critical Race Theory is. You cant have this raceneutral view of history unless you understand the racial dynamics of Then And Now and i think that is critical to Understanding History and the world now. Yeah. Just really quickly, jalani. Your friend, Nicole Hannah jones, has been under constant attack since the 1619 attack. Theyre not only attacking her but this is an attack on The New York Times and the state. Anything you want to say about the Nicole Hannah jones incident . She has legal consultation now. If any of us want to retain the freedoms that we have, the attenuated freedoms we have in this country, we need to be concerned and push back against this move theyre making at the university of north carolina. If they succeed there, that will not be the only Place Something like this happens. Absolutely. Thank you so much, jalani cobb, michael Harriettes Stuff in the root. Jalani, the brilliant jalani. Trying to quantify all that was lost 100 years ago and how its still having an effect In Tulsa today. Well continue when we come back. I order my groceries online now. Shingles doesnt care. I keep my social distance. Shingles doesnt care. I stay within my family bubble. Shingles doesnt care. Because if youve had chicken pox, youre already carrying the virus that causes shingles. In fact, about 1 in 3 people will develop shingles, and the risk only increases as you age. So what can protect you against shingles . Shingrix protects. Now you can protect yourself from shingles with a vaccine proven to be over 90 effective. Shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. Shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. 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I have been blessed with a long life and have seen the best and the worst of this country. I think about the terror, horror inflicted upon black people in this country every day. Viola fletcher, Mother Fletcher as shes known here was 7 years old when she survived the Tulsa Massacre. Today shes one of several plaintiffs in a State Lawsuit demanding reparations for the damage done, not only 100 years ago but every day since. Joining me now is Demario Saloman Simmons and myrsa baradaran. Thank you both for being here. Demario, i want to start with you. I think youve made such a clear case for reparations in this scenario. It was not only 300 lives lost but livelihoods that were lost that again ripple through time and generations. Tell me why this case for reparations is so important . Its so important because we have actual living survivors. We have thousands of documents and documentation of what was actually lost, how much it was valued, who actually is owed. If we cannot win such a clearcut case here In Tulsa, oklahoma, then where can we win in this nation . This is a must win, not only for my community and the survivors In Tulsa but for the entire africanamerican community in the united states of america. So briefly tell us, where does the Lawsuit Stand . I know you accompanied Mother Fletcher and uncle her brother whos 100 years old, you accompanied them to Capitol Hill. Where does the Lawsuit Stand here In Tulsa and what has the federal Governments Response been . Absolutely. Good thing about a lawsuit, its not termed a Reparations Lawsuit but essentially thats what it is. Where it stands is were utilizing it and a couple of years ago to successfully sue the Johnson Johnson Opioid companies. We feel good moving forward tuesday, June 1st we will be filing our response to the Defendants Motion to dismiss and well be moving forward. Hopefully the judge will allow us to move forward our case. From the federal government standpoint, we asked them to do for our survivors and descendents what they did for the japanese who were inturned, what they did for victims and survivors of 911 terror attacks, provide legislation for a victims compensation fund. I want to turn to you on this, meyrsa, one thing i found fascinating in your book, you make the assertion that even though tulsa was a thriving black business district, the money stayed in the community 36 times before it left the community, but you say because of the institutional structure of our financial system that tulsa was not sustainable. Can you talk more about that. I think tulsa is sustainable, it is just the fact that you cant have a segregated economy. Tulsa itself was sustainable because there was a large Capital Base and the Business Community lent to Each Other. There were lots of it was an ecosystem of finance which made it a very successful place. There were a couple of other places where they could do that despite heavy Jim Crow. However, if you segregate people and if you have two different economies versus segregating economy, Jim Crow, there isnt money flowing in and out, its very difficult for Wealth Creation to happen in so far as youre not part of the general economy and the structure. I think with tulsa and the thing that was one of the greatest tragedies is you not only have a loss complete loss of the investment, you have the loss of future profits, which we actually can measure using damages. So if you dont want to say reparations if that seems like a word with baggage, its not to me, but i think looking at damages of lost future profits, and then, third, the ecosystem that was built is irreplaceable. And i would add a fourth is that the it was act of domestic terrorism and that really, you know, affected all the other business communities, all the other Business Men at the time. It wasnt the only one. There were several random targeted acts of Terror And Violence towards Business Men and bankers. There was also other communities that were like this. You know, when i started researching the Tulsa Riots, it was called the Tulsa Riot back then, five or six years ago, there werent documents. Web devoid had written up some of this history and others but we were using scraps and pieces. Now that this stuff is documented, think about how long it took to get verification of the fact that there were bombs and ariel raids that were really part of that disclosure. So i think part of what reparations does, part of what damages does is to allow us to reckon with this history and to tell a different story that is more accurate and also erases some of this mythology that has dplept about pull yourselves up by your boot straps. They did and look what happened at that time. Yeah. Thats a really good point. You hear that a lot, pull yourself up by your boot straps. People are blatantly ignorant. Demario, this case could be precedent setting. What do you say to people, i am not responsible for what people did 100 years ago. You want me to pay and take my money to address this situation. Explain to people what the situation is and what the lawsuit actually says. Youre not going in bank accounts snatching funds, its bigger than that. Absolutely. The individuals perpetrating the massacres may be dead but the entities that authorized it, armed the white mob, theyre still here. Those entities are the city of tulsa, tulsa county, tulsa regional Chamber Of Commerce and the state of oklahoma. Those entities are still here and they are the ones that have benefitted from the massacre and 100 years of continuing harm. Those entities have a responsibility to abate or fix the problem. Also the entities like the Tulsa Development Authority who were responsible for putting their highway thats behind us that we see each and every day that they put in our community specifically in the 50s and 60s to ensure we can never, ever come back and rebuild. We want the highway gone. We want everything that was stolen from us returned. We see this happening in california where manhattan beach, where theyre returning a piece of property thats worth 75 million. All of this land we see here owned by the city, oklahoma state university, other white entities, this was blackowned land. We want it back or give us as, the professor said, give us damages off the land, the value of it. Its not very difficult. The difficult is, Oklahoma And America do not want to give black people the same rights as white folks and what i mean by that is its simply easy to do the mathematical calculations and use the law to repay what was taken. Wow. Its fascinating here In Tulsa, i have to tell you, because essentially descendents of what happened here 100 years ago today still coexist. Youre living alongside the great grandchildren of people who committed these atrocities. Its interesting how state sponsored violence carries ris through the decades. Well be talking about those more. I want to thank you both. Youll have to come back. I think your take on financial segregation is quite fascinating. The amazing Da Mario simmons will be back on another show. We have much more live from tulsa when we come back. Think of what peanuts have given Humanity Fuel for vast Migrations Sustenance for Mountaineering Expeditions and long journeys across the world but most importantly . They give us something to eat when we drink beer. Planters. A nut above. brother hi sis they giv Sister Ething to eat wheyoure late eer. brother fashionably late. sister we can not be late. brother theres a road right there. brother thats a cat. 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So happy youre here. Happy to be here. Looking dapper and festive. I brought the long coat. Its chilly this morning. You made a better choice than i did, my friend. Im curious your take on all of this because as you know, the commission has raised 30 Million to construct this Commemoration And Building to acknowledge what happened 100 years ago, but none of that money is actually going to the descendents or survivors. There are some thoughts about monetizing it. This is black pain being treated like black porn. Cities like tulsa, thats what they want to do. They went to montgomery and saw how they monetized. Thats what youre seeing and that is a problem. What we should be saying as africanamericans, no, were going to stand with these residents in their demands by saying, no, you are not going to sit here and build a museum and do these things and theyre already including this now in the tourism of tulsa. So they want now to attract folks. If they were smart they would align with the community and say, we can turn this into an annual Event And Celebration that could attract 50 to 100,000 africanamericans. Hotels, restaurants, transportation companies, rental car companies, but if you do it with the community, it makes sense. They dont want to do that. This is the moment where black folks say youre no longer going to attempt us. Were going to shut you down. Thats why i have no problem with the community pulling out. This city cannot continue to destroy black folks in greenwood but then want to make money off of money off of people in greenwood and not share any of the money with black people. Something thats interesting. Your familys from texas. I find it interesting how a lot of people, even the descendents, some of them did not know about this tragedy that took place 100 years ago. Right. I remember asking my grandmother questions about her early life. It was always, why you want to talk about that . Lets move on. We normalize trauma, we bury it in our communities because we dont want to address it again. Do you think weve gotten away from that . And we are telling our own stories. The only reason were able to do that is because, you had the evolution of blackowned media, thats one. Then you now have, you mentioned the Kerner Commission reports, you have black people who are producers, President S of networks. So you no longer have White Americans controlling the narrative. The nations first black newsroom wrote march 16th, 1827, our own cause to others who have spoken for us. What now comes out on abc, africanamericans are hosts, you, joy, done. You. Right. But we now get to tell the story. The Kerner Commission report cites the media as the problem. Tulsa, the newspaper here did not report on this until the 1970s. So thats 50 years. When did the first wave of black journalists come into News Rooms . In the 1970s. America has always denied us and our Value Somebody called me the other day to interview for a story on rashida jones. I said rashida and kim get to bring their blackness to the meeting. The guy was like, what do you mean . All these Years Whiteness was brought into the meeting. Their stories, their narratives and thats the difference. We now get to speak and that matters. It matters indeed. I can speak firsthand and testify so thank you, my brother. Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you so much, roland. Its all good. Thank you for making time for us. You can catch Roland Martin on his show. Up next with his reporting right here In Tulsa. Dont go away. New Pronamel Mineral boost helps protect teeth against everyday acids. Pronamel boosts enamels natural absorption of Calcium And Phosphate helping keep teeth strong, white and protected from sensitivity. New Pronamel Mineral boost its coming back to you now. Real pants. Find amex offers to save on the brands you love. 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Swipe, lift, spin, dry. Slam, pan, still. Fresh move, move, move, Move Aaaaand still fresh. Degree. Ultimate freshness activated when you move. [lazer beam and sizzling sounds] the city of tulsa is commemorating what happened here 100 years ago with a multitude of events including the centennial brak Wall Street Heritage Parade set to kick off one hour from now. We have to reckon how the impact of the massacre has been felt. Joining me is my good friend, Tremaine Lee whose special Blood On Black Wall Street, the legacy of the Tulsa Massacre Premiers Tomorrow Night at 10 p. M. Tremaine, very happy to have you here. You know, you and you and i hav Each Other for a long time and we talked about how we show up as our full selves, the killings that weve seen at the hands of Law Enforcement and you talk to people all of the time about their lived Plaque Experience in this country. Im just curious as a Journalist And Someone who has shared a space with you, how do you feel when you hear the stories because you have to take some of that tragedy and the pain with you, and the spirit of ida b. Wells as you are out here reporting. In some ways it is not just a privilege and an honor to help amplify voices, i am not the vis of the people and im here to reflect the pain and the triumps and the Tramg Dees and make sure we are amplifying forces. There is a piece of me that weighs heavy when we have the conversations. Theres not that must difference, carrying the Hurt And Trauma of the past. To be black youve inherited some Peace And Tragedy of the past. In a place like tulsa, it reminds me of charleston where it feels like hallowed ground and there is a spirit that is not right because there has never been real resolve and as a black journalist as important as it is, and as mission driven as i try to be in telling these stories, its hard. Just navigating the literal space. I was talking to a sister over here in the corner about what this used to be. This Campus Wasnt here. There were homes and businesses up and down greenwood avenue. 12 miles of greenwood. Hundreds of blackowned businesses and now there are less than two dozen and you try to be strong and push through it, but its a lot. I know your special premieres tomorrow night. What can we expect to see . . We try to tell the story of tulsa through a number of families that move us not just through the violence of those two terrible days in 1921, but also the violence that happened after Boom Couldnt make a claim because they had riot clauses saying you were responsible and the Jim Crow scriptures and the Violence And Gentrification and so the pain of those moments in 1921 have been replicated over and over in different way, but i would love for us to take a listen to what they had to say. Repair me. Repair me as a person. Repair me as a citizen, whatever it takes and whatever it looks like. Were talking about going on four generations of tragedy. Houses destroyed and businesses destroyed and yeah, were resilient and we rebuild. I can just imagine how they felt. Imagine where we would be had it not happened and had our families not been destroyed. Wow. That looks incredibly powerful trymaine. I cannot wait to watch tomorrow. Thank you for being on set with us and be sure to check out his documentary, Blood On Black Wall Street. The legacy of the Tulsa Massacre tomorrow at 10 00 p. M. Eastern time on msnbc. Ill be checking that out. As we continue the Cross Connection. Ill talk to some of tulsas descendants still fighting for justice today. You dont want to miss it. Stay with us. Do you struggle with occasional Nerve Aches in your hands or feet . Try nerviveNerve Relief from the worlds 1 Selling Nerve Care company. 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A century after that murderous rampage in which an of the mated 300 people were killed, 10,000 left homeless and the entire black neighborhood of greenwood, where we are, was destroyed. This scar on this community remains. I recently had the amazing opportunity to sit down with some of the descendants of those who survived and who are now leading the charge for justice 100 years on. Your greatgrandfather . My greatgrandfather. Owned the largest hotel in america owned by an africanamerican. Yes. Considering the wealth that was lost when statesponsored violence destroyed that hotel, what do you think is owed to you and your family . Well, i think the possibility of recreating something that he had interest in which was the care for other people, make housing available for those who needed it. Dr. Crutcher, i want to turn to you on this. Your story is unique here. You are also a descendant of black Wall Street, and you are also have been impacted by police violence, more statesponsored violence against the black community when your brother was shot by a member of Law Enforcement. Having that double weight of the past and the present convene right here at this moment, what does it feel like to sit right here where violence A Hundred years ago struck . Well, thank you so much. You know, i dont even know where to start, our Familys Story is so complex and so layered, and so traumatic, you know . This land that were actually sitting on right now in 1927, this when my greatgrandmother rebecca crutcher, when they came back, this is where their house was. So this is a bittersweet moment to know that i come from greatness. I come from black excellence, but to fast forward almost 100 years later, and think about what happened to my Greatgrandmothers Community because of statesanctioned violence because the plan was deputized and to think about what happened to my twin Brother Terence Crutcher on this very ground is traumatizing. I always say that the same statesanctioned violence that burnt down this community is the same statesanctioned violence that killed my Twin Brother with his hands in the air unarmed in this community. A descendant of this community and so, yeah, its surreal to be sitting here on this Sacred Land talking about it. Chief, i want to turn to you on this one because one thing ive noticed about tulsa is driving through. There still seems to be a clear divide. There still seems to be segregation. So tell me about the community here today and how the black community has been impacted by the violence that happened here a century ago. Well, the divide is not even covert. Its very blatant, in your face reality. We think of this highway that runs straight through the middle of our community. Just sitting here you can tell how obscene it is to have to hear this noise as we sit on Sacred Ground, and we dont even have the space to experience Sacred Land, right . We didnt have it in 1921. We dont have it today. So given that, what does justice look like to you . Justice can only come in the form of restitution, restoration and repair. Triple r effect, right . There hasnt been any viable solution, right . We still have to get Voting Rights renewed. Thats not even permanent, right . Were looking for permanent, sustainable change and were not going to get that through any other means. It hasnt happened and it wont happen. Pastor, let me ask you, i was blessed to be able to see the church with you and tour the area. You showed me a space in the basement that was all brick walls. Tell me about that space. That was a space during the massacre where our members, folks in this community were able to come in and seek refuge. Describe to me why they were running in there. During May 31st through June 1st starting at 1 30 a. M. Sheer terror descended upon this community where in less than 18 hours, over 10,000 people were made homeless. In less than 18 hours, 1,256 homes were destroyed and in less than 18 hours we saw the first time in American History bombs be dropped from airplanes, incendiary devices dropped from airplanes. 300 people lost their lives and bodies dumped in mass graves, 600 businesses destroyed and 20plus churches attacked and so people were seeking refuge anywhere they could find it and im thankful that some of them were able to find refuge in the basement of our church. So the chief talked a little bit about the community here. Im curious your experience in the community because youve been a very outspoken advocate for reparations. I know you go down to City Hall and keep this issue in the Light And Protest for it. How has the community responded to your demands . Varied, right . We still have got have any action from the city. The city officials, council, the mayor, district attorney, a. G. , governor, No One has authored we have received no restitution. Maya, talk to me about the black Wall Street times. I started the black Wall Street times when i moved back to tulsa. When i moved back, the narrative was that there was still a riot that took place here In Tulsa, and i noticed that some members of my community, the chief being one of them, saying this wasnt a riot. This was a massacre. 300 people lost their life, 300 black people lost their lives. Some of them my family members, my second greatgrandparents knew in the massacre. I wanted to ensure that black tulsans had the ability to control our own narratives and control our own stories and lifting the issue of the need for curriculum about the massacre. I had not learned about the massacre until i was in college. Why do you think you never learned about it . I think the reason we never learned about it is because why would our enemies want to teach the children of greatness, right . Why would they want to teach them how great they can become once again . I think that was one of the main reasons. Also, the massacre was the shame of this country, you know, not just tulsa, but this entire country. I wonder if the story is now taught in schools, an uncomfortable Truth Isnt exposed yet widely. Its not taught in schools and if it is taught its a teachers prerogative. We will continue to protect a city that is just now 100 years later commemorating this event and people ask me, like, chief, what does it mean to have this 100th Centennial . It means 365 more days of oppression and the failure to remedy through justice. Thats all It Means. Nothing different. Its another year that you failed, that the city failed, that society failed and that us, those of us who are descendants, we still stand on this Sacred Ground with that charred baton that has been left in our hands. Thats all It Means. For us as descendants, you know, what would our lives have been if we werent robbed of our generational wealth . You know, i often sit back and ponder about that. I ponder about Laurel Stafford with her greatgrandfather having the nicest hotel as a Black Man in the world. He could have been hilton. He could have been marriott. He could have been the hyatt. You make a good point. The mayor is giving an audience to you. Surely, the mayor is trying to make this right or is he not . Is he silent . The mayor doesnt get it. The mayor went to tv and said reparations would be divisive and why should people who wasnt born back then have to pay for something that happened 100 years ago when there are living survivors that you all have met . Are there any white descendants that have come forward and said my family was a part of this and i want to be a part of this racial reckoning as you call it. Have you come across any of those people . A lot of people have given clues and information about what they know, you know, without indicting their own families, but as we had a mass graves meeting, and i asked the mayor because he has this habit of saying everybody has a habit of saying sorry. If you have people who have any information that could help us assist us in this story, you know, please come forward and hes talking to the community that looks like me, and my recommendation was why dont you subpoena this is a criminal investigation. Why dont you subpoena some of those people, those hundreds of people in those photos that we have where theyre clearly showing their faces. You mean to tell me in the small city of Tulsa Nobody knows who these people are in these pictures . If you go to the University Of Tulsa and go to the clieb library, there are klan rosters that exists from that time period and it lists the first and the last names of people who were involved in the klan. It literally lists their address. It lists their occupation and let me tell you, when i looked at that Occupation List i saw firefighter. I saw police officer. I saw school teacher. I saw superintendent of tulsa public schools, so that is how we know the city is responsible for the massacre because folks that were working for the city, for the government, they were the ones that were out there pillaging our community, massacring our people. When we initially launched the mass graves investigation, we had a lot of people reach out to us. We met with this older white gentleman. His daughter lives in california. He lives here In Tulsa, and she pushed him and said dad, you have to go talk to them. You have to let them know what you know, and he met us in my hotel right downtown and he was very nervous. He was pacing, and he shared with us that he saw his grandfather with flat beds of bodies stacked up. We had aerial maps. He showed us exactly where some of the bodies were cemented in up under this Highway Right here. So people are afraid because they know its indictment on them and their family, and thats what were dealing with, but there were a lot of great white allies that allow the black victims to come inside of their churches and hide us and care for us as well and so i want to acknowledge them and theres white allies right now standing in solidarity with us, publicly fighting for reparations, fighting for restitution for what happened right here In Tulsa almost 100 years ago. My thanks to my extraordinary panel and well be right back with more from tulsa, but first, well take another look at a tulsa survivor, Mother Fletcher. 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I was shocked, sickened and most importantly just surprised to know that there was this level of slavery in the north which, to me, i hadnt learned this in School And Hadnt been taught anything about slavery in the north in Hudson Valley, New York, and anywhere in the north. That was shocking. You know, i think Thats Something a lot of people dont understand that there actually was Slave Trade that was a part of the economy of the north. Tom, you can speak to this, as well, because Thats Something you guys have in common and you are a descendant of one of the largest Slave Traders at the time. What was your reaction when you uncovered your dark part of your Familys History. Initially it was curiosity. Learning a bit about this Family History that i never knew growing up and but it was during the journey when ten family members, we recreated the triangle Slave Trade Rhode Island to ghana, west africa, where the family owned Sugar And Cotton plan takes and it was standing in a dungeon at Cape Coast Castle in ghana, where it just the visceral of the feeling of it all, people being stolen, people being stolen and lives up ended and destroyed to rape and torture, and knowing that people im related to were involved in all of this for three generations. It was really horrifying to acknowledge and what im seeing what i understand about what happened In Tulsa 100 years ago, its recreating that tauma over and over again right up until today. Yeah. These are the conversations that are uncomfortable for people and we have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable and address the past. Deborah, im curious about your Familys History. For people watching who share similar stories to what you have, what how can you create a more equitable society by acknowledging what your family did and the impact it had on mean communities of color in this country . Thats a great question. I think i have a very important role and one of them is to tell the story, to make sure that people know so that New Yorkers, in particular, but anyone in this country can learn about the history of slavery which goes far beyond what we may have thought, and so part of this is that i am writing a book, but also theres been a lot going on especially in New York for example with discovering some Slave Cemeteries that were paved over and the pine Street Project to look at the area there. Things like that need to be told. There need to be memorials for the enslaved and there need to be information given to people when they come to the area so they can learn more about this history. Theres a great deal that can be done, and i think it really does have to start with knowledge first. You know, thats, i think the thing that people dont know, they Cant Honor whats gone on in the past and people who died under slavery and to know about whether their ancestors enslaved people. It doesnt necessarily mean that i am personally guilty, but It Means that i think i have a responsibility to tell this story, to tell this truth. Right, a lot of people feel that way. They get defensive and i am not personally guilty, and we acknowledge that perhaps there was benefit there on making the country into a better place. Tom, for you, because you were the descendant of one of the largest enslaver, and im curious your thoughts on reputation, and people are, like, wait you want to take my money for what my ancestors did. Thats not exactly what reparation is, but your thoughts on reparation. The Word Reparation scares the crap out of all white people, it seems and the reality is when damage is done, repair it, and thats what reparations is, is repair. Sure, it involves money and it involves education and it involves reform, recognition of The Systemic racism that continues to impact people in education, housing and criminal Justice And Health Care And Longevity of life. So reparations is an Op Li Gagz to repair the damage that has been done. I mean, we do that in our own relationship, but we want to repair broken reps. This is something that the united states has a broken relationship from the very beginning with People Of African Descent in technology and others. So its to repair it. I think Tom May Have froze. Deborah, ill turn to you because what was it like when you connected with the family of the people who your family enslaved . Well, that was actually one of the joys of my life is that i reached out to a woman from a wonderful Facebook Group called ive traced my enslaved ancestors and the people who owned them which is an interesting name, and i just had written that i was doing research on slavery in new York State and received an email from Eleanor Meier who said im a descendant of slaves, and i said do you want to talk and she took a deep breath and said yes, lets Talk And Weve been doing this research together and weve been finding some wonderful things, some wonderful research about her ancestors and the more you peel back the layers, the more you know and the more that you can understand that these were real people who lived and died and had wonderful stories to learn about. Some of them had giant families. Some of them have disappeared from history, but she and i together are really having a great experience learning this and weve become friends. We have a lot in common which is really kind of fun. Were both bookies, we love to read books and cemeteries. I think the acknowledgement that this happened is something that is so lacking in this country. So i thank you both for sharing your story, and this is an ongoing conversation, and just us talking about it makes it less uncomfortable as i do that, so thank you, deborah and tom for joining us. Up next, tulsa is just one of many sites of terror. Ill talk to another unknown massacre in lane, arkansas. Ive spoken about it before on the show. You dont want to miss this. Stay tuned. An with a mobile hotspot. We cut to downtown, your Sales Rep Lisa has to send some files, asap so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee. Yeah i shouldve just led with that. With at t business. You can pick the best plan for each employee and only pay for the features they need. 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Two years ago, in the small town of elaine, arkansas, a group of Share Croppers gathered in a church to discuss joining a union, but a group of wide Land Owners threatened by the idea of black folks organizing to demand fair treatment opened fire. The men, Women And Children Inside and the men returned fire and one white man was killed. This sparked a fiveday Killing Spree by a white mob assisted by 500 soldiers dispatched by the governor. At least 200 black men, women and children were slaughtered, and No One was ever charged for their murders. 12 of the black Share Croppers who tried to unionize were sentenced to death after sham trials. A descendant of two of those men, Lisa Dix joins us now. She is also the founder of the E Main Massacre of 1919. Lisa, i am so happy to have you here to discuss what happened in elaine, arkansas. Yet again, this is another littleknown tragedy that happened in this country that was burr ed, essentially. So i know you recently introduced or got a bill introduced in the legislature to acknowledge what happened and to get pardons for the people who were tried. Tell us what happened. Yes. Good morning, tiffany. Thank you so much for having us this morning. Yes, recently in partnership with the Arkansas Peace and justice Memorial Movement and others in arkansas, we introduced Senate Bill 674, and it was to create the unify Arkansas Commission which would from moat racial Healing And Reconciliation. It would have established the Alliance Week the first week of october which would have been the week of the Elaine Massacre and it also would have exonerated the 122 wrongly convicted dfrts of the Elaine Massacre and it would have also allowed for an elective black cultural forces taught in arkansas schools so that more people would learn, people in arkansas who hardly do not know about the Elaine Massacre and open it up to our students to learn more about black culture and the Elaine Massacre. Yes, but its we got one in that bill yes. You got one Vote. . One Vote in the affirmative. Never made it out of committee. Yes. One Vote. So its interesting that this is statesponsored violence that happened over 100 years ago, and there are still statesponsored Oppression Taking Part in arkansas, The District where you live, where the Elaine Massacre happened with the Trump Acolyte in congress. As i was talking to rowland martin, they buried tragedies. Did your community grow up knowing that it happened . Was it taught in schools or was it in the Family Tradition of passing the story down . Absolutely not. I only learned about the Elaine Massacre 13 years ago in my adulthood. It was never taught. Never mentioned and never definitely never passed down. So just imagine what happened in 1919 and then the flyer going out and saying be silent be quiet, go home and of course, my ancestors didnt pass it down and didnt talk about it and i only learned about it 13 years ago from my grandmother and i spent the next year pulling those stories out of her. One of the few journalists who talked about this was ida b. Wells and you made the point that these big agricultural companies that owned that land, that profit off of that land is essentially stolen land. So im curious, has the state ever attempted to make this right . Has the state offered to return the land to the families of the Share Croppers who were just trying to live and survive on equal footing . No. Their barely acknowledgement that the massacre even took place and like i said, we tried to get a commission to just unify racial Healing And Reconciliation and get the conversation started about the Elaine Massacre. So no, theres not been any attempts by the state to rectify in any reparative and restorative justice movements of any sort. So we are still on the ground working, trying to get this through the states and, you know, trying to first get acknowledgement that the massacre even happened. And just like In Tulsa, there are mass graves in elaine arkansas, bodies were dumped massively all across The District. Do you know if there is an effort to find those mass graves . Have any bodies been recovered . Where does that stand . No, no bodies have been recovered. We know where the mass graves are. We were discussing it, some classmates and some of us from elaine, we were just discussing it over the past weekend and we know. Once we all started learning about it and my grandmother told me yes, where the mass graves are and where some of the bodies were dumped. So they knew they knew exactly where the graves are and they know where the bodies were dumped. Right. Absolutely. The bodies remain buried and this story has been unearthed and i have spoken about it and i would love to keep this story in the light and i would like to keep in touch with you and tell us where the Story Stands and thank you for joining us for talking about such a tragic and dark thing that was not unique to any specific town. Dozens of these tragedies happened across the country and thank you for telling the story and dont go anywhere at home because coming up, Voting Rights continue to be under attack and the cofounder of black Voters-matter'>Voters Matter join me next. Stay tuned. As you charge ahead. Illuminating the way forward. A light maker. Recognizing that the impact you make comes from the energy you create. Introducing the allelectric lyriq. Lighting the way. Lighting the way. 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So fundamentally, if we will build the kind of nation that we all deserve that we all desire that it is going require us and engage in affirming our agency and in the part of shaping that nation and so thats where we are right now and thats the work that were doing and we want people to recognize that real power is with us and real power lives with people. When people decide we will no longer stand in a space that violence will be acceptable and things will change. When people decide that structural racism is no longer something that will change. We believe thats most important is not getting people to actually believe in The System, but believe in themselves. Thats right. Thats such a crucial point, so now as we see the attacks on our Voting Rights, it can feel defeating. We are still fighting the same fight from 50 years ago, we are still fighting the same fight 150 years ago. Considering who delivered the power of the federal government to democrats, im curious your take on this because it seems that President Biden has two choices right now. He can jam hr1 through, the for the people act that speaks to rights or water it down and have it passed in a bipartisan way. You arent new to this and you are true to this and been in this battle for a long time. What would you say to him about getting Voting Rights through congress. President biden, i think that what we know we need is we need comprehensive legislation that will protect the right to Vote in this country. That is the fundamental basis of our democracy and that what we need right now is the kind of leadership that in spite of what we see the republicans trying to do and be obstructionist and they are the leaders of this or that fundamentally, we have to use the power that has been given by the people to the people, and the democratic party at this point, that we have to tap into the power that the senate has this majority to be able to use every tool available to say that his administration is going to center the most fundamental, powerful tool in holding up a democracy and that is the right to Vote. We need we, the people, need the for the people act passed. We need the voting Rights Act and the Advancement Act does that and oftentimes, this whole notion that were going to negotiate with the republicans and youre negotiating with a party that has shown itself to bad actors and simply, theyve been open and honest and they dont fundamentally believe in the value of democracy, i think that we need the kind of bold leadership that well say we need to move forward, if we have to drag you kicking and screaming and well come forward, and we have a Paradigm Shift and when we look at the electorate, it is changing and there are young people who are a part of this process and countries are coming more diverse and we have to have a political infrastructure that will be able to support democracy for all of us. Yeah. Our friend Alicia Garza of black Lives Matter says this is a dinosaur thats refusing to become extinct. Midterms are coming up, so well have to see how this fight at the Ballot Box continues. Thank you very much, latasha. 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Here to discuss that scene and so much more is The Star of watchmen the incredible academy awardwinner Regina King. Regina, i am so happy to have you on the show this morning and you are beloved In Tulsa and across the country. Your work in the series helped unearth this story. Im curious, did you expect that searies to have that type of effect on one of the dark chapters in americas stored past . You know, i tried to manage my own expectations when it comes to what other people would do, and my only hope was that it would bring about a reckoning, if you will. I know Damons Journey with the discovery of the Tulsa Race Massacre from when he read the 1619 project and that kind of sparked that was the impetus where he would find a way to enter into this reimagining, if you will, of watchmen. So his commitment to making that part of the story definitely gave me hope that once it did actually hit the airwaves, that it would be an education for a lot of people. It certainly was. Your role as angela really i think was such a great example of generational trauma and hemming the past to the present. One thing that we were talking about this show that im curious your thoughts on is the love for the culture while the hatred for the people who call the straight the culture. We know that you have your marching boots on and the heels in that beautiful ensemble at the oscars and bringing this story for life is important for you, and the difficulty and the path for black creators in hollywood. There is a study that shows hollywood is losing out in 10 Billion in revenue every year by underfunding black creators. As somebody in that space, what is it like in hollywood now trying to bring these stories to life . Well, i guess that we are at a space now that, i think people are more interested in not you know, weve been living in a space where revisionist history has been the history that we have learned, even as a 50yearold woman, we could be here all day with me, sharing all of the things i did not learn in school about myself or about just the history of this country, and i think that we are in a space now that there are more people that arent just black people that are interested in revising the revision. Right. You know what i mean . I think an important thing because the reality is america is made up of a lot of different types of people. Thats the thats the dream that was sold, right . And you cant want to accept or uplift that dream without recognizing the ancestors and the people who actually built the country so that the dream could be realized for so many people, and i think we are at that reckoning. I think that you being on the ground In Tulsa and have the experience that, you know, you shared with me that youve been having since youve been there and that its being televised nationally and be remembered, that we have this wonderful thing called the Google Now and people are going to the google and deciding to educate themselves and now they know that it wasnt just a Tulsa Massacre. It was a lorain arkansas, you know, rosewood. Right. There were and there are so many. If youre proud to be american you have to actually be honest about the ugly stains of our paths and if you dont recognize that theres no way the future can be different. Theres no way you can deal with the trauma without recognizing where the trauma came from. Yeah. Absolutely. You said as a 50yearold woman theres so much you didnt know. I want my producers to Fact Check that, theres no way you look 50. You look 30 and look great. I want to ask you about bringing stories to life in hollywood. You directed the amazing film one night in miami, youre Up Next directing a new film, but im curious because this is a little bit of gossip. You are rumored to be on the short list to direct superman. You and barry jenkins, both your names have been thrown out there. Anything you want to tell us, is there any news you can break about those conversations . Tiffany, that is news to me. You have you have broke the news to me. [ laughter ] newsbreak, live on msnbc. Yeah. No i have not heard that until just now. Oh, wow. I think there are people who want to see you, particularly as youre directing bitter root. My Friend And Colleague dr. Jason johnson is a huge fan. He is so excited and he said please ask her about bitter road. Were out of time and can you tell us very quickly what we can expect from you from bitter root. I am so excited, as well. I am partnered with a wonderful team in ryan kuglers proximity and legendary, so we are developing this story right now. We are in the process of writing the first draft and i dont think i can say any more, but i am excited about where its going and the Entry Point that weve decided to enter the story. Im really excited about that. Awesome. Well, we are really excited and waiting with bated breath to see what you bring to the screen. Thank you so much, queen Regina King as i call you. I really appreciate you being here this morning. Dont go anywhere at home because coming up tomorrow on the Sunday Show with nigh Friend And Colleague jonathan capehart, john will discuss the lessons of tulsa with senator Chris Coons and the daughter of Martin Luther King jr. Be sure to tune in tomorrow, sunday, 10 00 a. M. Eastern standard time and we will be right back. Good morning, mr. Sun. Good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. Im gonna grow big and strong. Yes, you are. Im gonna get this place all clean. Ill give you a hand. And im gonna put lisa on crutches wait, what . Said shes gonna need crutches. 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