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Harris will visit the u. S. Mexico border on friday to take a look at the conditions there. It also comes as democrats plot their next steps after republicans blocked the senate from debating a major Voting Rights bill. The president appeared to take a shot at Senate Republicans as he paid tribute to a friend and longtime colleague former Virginia Republican senator john warner. He understood that democracy is more than a form of government. Democracy is a way of being. He understood it begins and grows in an open heart and with a willingness to work across the aisle and come together in common cause. Also at this hour, a Sentencing Hearing is under way for an indiana woman who pled guilty to taking part in the january 6th attack on the capitol, this as two more accused rioters, including a suspected member of the oath keepers also pled guilty. Well have more on that throughout this hour. And a major decision on Freedom Of Speech from the u. S. Supreme court. The justices ruled in the case of a Pennsylvania Cheerleader suspended for posting a vulgar snapchat message generally cannot punish students for what they say off campus. We begin this hour with the very latest from washington, d. C. Joining us now is nbc White House Correspondent and nbc news capitol hill correspondent leanne caldwell. Mike, ill begin with you. Theres republicans there pressuring. They have been throughout the past six months or so for the Vice President to go down to the u. S. Southern bothered and see it firsthand, and after she made that announcement you had former President Donald Trump who as well plans to visit the border next week saying in a Statement Today that she wouldnt have gone if he and Texas Governor greg abbott werent already doing so. A little political theater there. Whats behind the timing of this visit and why the el paso area as opposed to places like the Rio Grand Valley or arizona . Reporter yeah. Amman. I mean, this seems like a very abrupt decision to have the Vice President travel down to the border. As soon as the white house announced that she would be playing this role heading up the diplomatic efforts to work with those northern triangle countries to address, as they so often put it the root causes of migration, republicans have been asking the question daily if not multiple times a day when will they go to the border. She was very defensive and dismissive just a few weeks ago when she traveled down to mexico and guatemala about this question of when she would go to the border, discounting, it remember, as she told lester holt she hasnt been to europe either. Its hard not to see a connection perhaps to the decision by the former president to go down to the border and other republican members of congress to join him with this decision now. The White House Press secretary jen psaki was asked about this by our colleague Kelly Odonnell earlier today. Lets take a listen to that answer. We have no way to predict what former President Trump will say when he goes to the border. We can only guess, but i dont think our view is that the Vice President making a trip to the border with the secretary of Homeland Security to assess and take a look at progress thats been made is going to prevent or change what the former president of the United States does when he goes to the border in a couple of days. Reporter aman, we dont know what the Vice President plans to do when she travels down there, what kind of facilities or who she might be meeting with. All of these questions feed the idea that this was a late idea to send her down there. As to the question about why el paso hand not other parts of the border. Im reminded of the fact that congressman who represented el paso for so long was someone who argued that the city of el paso itself was safe in spite of and not because of the wall and he highlighted the Strong Partnership between el paso and the crossborder community and perhaps thats the motivation for changing that specific location. Leanne, bring us up to speed where things stand over talks with an Infrastructure Package that has been negotiated by a Bipartisan Group of senators, and certainly when you have the big Summer Recess just around the corner, is there a point from your reporting where democrats will simply decide its time to seek another path on getting an Infrastructure Package done . Well, amman, theres a meeting happening as we speak with a Bipartisan Group and white house officials, and this is a critical meeting because they have been talking with white house officials for you about a week now and the bap group themselves have come up with some sort of a proposal. The fact that they have been unable to release anything and patience is wearing thin. The issues this week are the same as last, exactly how to pay for it. Gas tax, Electric Vehicle user fee, things taken off the table, covid funds and perhaps even a Highway Infrastructure bank, a privatepublic partnership so things are coming down to the wire. Not only because democrats want to move forward on infrastructure very soon but also because you start to lose truth ant Speaker Pelosi and leader schumer are also looking for another path to move forward. Thanks to both of you for starting us off this hour. Not too far away from leanne is standing there is a protest taking place on another very important subject, that having to do with Investigate Rights in this country and the lack of action by congress to get something done. We want to turn to some Breaking News and bring in nbc news correspondent ali vitaly outside covering the marches. What are you seeing behind you, and whats happened . Well, amman, when leanne talks about patience wearing thin inside the building, certainly thats been the sense among activists here. I was with this group in West Virginia last week and they have come now to d. C. With people from other states including people from West Virginia, senator manchins home state. Some of the leaders of this March Including Reverend William Barber and professor jesse jackson. They began their protest in the middle of the street and blocking off this stretch outside of the Hart Office Building on capitol hill, those they were warned several times to fet of the street and also whats happening here is the group of several up Dread Protesters who were bussed here to d. C. From other states like kentucky, West Virginia and others, they are now walking back to the supreme court. Thats where this march again. Its part after a sustained grass roots push to get manchin and other democrats on board with the progressive priorities, including Voting Rights. This particular group, the Poor Peoples Campaign is trying to elevate those campaigns and get them outside of the moral push. Specific whether you talk about whats happening in the way, not just the 5 minmake. Thats toll they are not willinging to do i reminded one attend year that man shan is not going to get wits of the furtheria and he said well, thats why were here. Well keep following that story and bring you any updates as you learn them. Today defense secretary lloyd austin is endorsing a plan to remove the prosecution of Sexual Assault cases in the military from the hands of commanders, becoming the First Defense secretary of Fetense To Doe and making a Ground Breaking shift in now the military there appears to be a decision ton and let us now what this means and what it means in the process. A couple weeks ago he was also on capitol hill and he signalled that this was the decision he made, to recommended to the white house, po President Biden this change to the uniform code of Military Justice. What we know now is that is the recommendation hes going to make, and hes laid down a little bit more information about how hes going to do it. Historically when theres a case of Sexual Harassment or Sexual Assault in the military, the commanders are the ones who investigate and determine whether its going to move forward for prosecution. Thats what Secretary Austin is recommending change here. Instead hes saying it should be in the hands of a Special Prosecutor who will assess the case and determine whether it goes forward to a courtmartial. This is something members of coming have been pushing for for years. Military leaders are wednesday the they say it needs to stay within the unit command for cohesion and more of the catchall reasons are the reasons they tend to use when they are hesitant or resistant to change in the military. In this case, you know, we have seen a real sea change over it just in the last several months. Another one of the people that we heard about this today from from the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley. He was one commander not wanting to change this until just recently. His reasoning is they have been working on this problem for years and they havent really been able to most needle. He said if theres something we can do that might change the problem of Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault in the military we need to try it and hes open to trying this. This has been the problem that the military has been facing, as i said, for years, and members of congress have been getting involved in, but this does not go quite as far as some of the members want. They will take this out of the Chain Of Command for Sexual Harassment, Sexual Assault, Domestic Violence and some other cases, but not for everything that some of the members have called for. Amman. Thank you as always on a very important story. Joining me now to continue the conversation, california congresswoman jackie speier, a member of the Armed Services commit and with us as well is new york senator Kirsten Gillibrand. Congresswoman spyiers, ill start with you. Just before Secretary Austin began his testimony you and senator gillibrand gave a Press Conference with House Speaker nancy pelosi introducing a proposal that goes farther than what Secretary Austin said moving all Sexual Assault cases out of the Chain Of Command. Tell us why thats important. Its important because those particular crimes, nonmilitary felonies, are ones that have historically been used by the discretion of the commander, and we have found that theres bias so that black and Brown Service members are treated differently, more harshly than white Service Members so by taking those cases along with Sexual Assault, harris president , child abuse and Domestic Violence out of Chain Of Command, the commanders can focus on Unit Cohesion and readiness, what they have been trained to do. They have not been trained as lawyers and having a special unit within the milt to do these cases and these investigations will provide more confidence to the victims who have not even reported them. Of the 20,000 a year only 660 them report the crime pause they feel retaliation or feel that the system is rigged against them. Senator gill brand, i want to play for what the Ranking Member of the senate Armed Services committee was asked when he was asked specifically about Secretary Austins Statement Today. Watch this. I personally dont agree with it, but i do know the reasoning behind it, and i think its something that is livable. He is concerned to make sure that hes protecting the commanders role. Her bill has taken a different a new life and its getting into other areas of discipline that have nothing to do with spewses. So the second part of that sound bite was in response to what youre proposing, and it seems like the senator does support, you know, Secretary Of Defense austins proposes changes even if he doesnt agree with it, yet he still thinks your bill goes too far. What would your response to be that criticism . So our bill is very specific. We believe this should be a bright line at all serious crimes for three reasons. First, we see bias in the system. We see boyce in the system in Sexual Assaults because the percent and of Sexual Assault cases that are going to trial and ending in conviction keep going down. We see bias in the system with regard to race. If youre a black or Brown Service member, youre more likely to be punished so if you want a create military Justice System thats newspaper and up biased you need both plaintiffs rights and also defendants right. Weve already ton that successfully with no diminution in order and command and control. Weve steep done in the uk, australia, canada, germany, other countries we fight side by side, so we believe that this change makes sense. And, last, this is a change that survivors want. This is a change that our Veterans Group want, the iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Association of america, veterans of for wars as well as academics and Military Justice experts. They have said that if you only take out one crime, you will unwittingly create a pink court disproportionately used by women which will further marginalize them and diss credit them. We think this is the right theres no bill in the u. S. That has liz warren and Senator Schumer and others voting yes. I suspect well have hundreds of cosponsors now that we begin to ask people to support it. Speaking of support. Are you hopeful that having the exclusive support of Speaker Pelosi will help create more momentum for the bill both among your house colleagues and more importantly when it gets to the senate as well . Absolutely. The speaker has already said that she intends to have that bill taken out sooner than later. Were hoping that it can happen in july. That will then create the environment for the senate to take up the bill and the republicans have come into a new enlightenment on this issue and are beginning to coalesce along with all of us in terms of supporting this change. You know, when a Service Member says they are more concerned about being injured or killed by a fellow soldier than by the enemy they we very a problem and weve had a number of horrendous deaths sected and we evil got to just weve spent 1 billion trying to improve it and nothing has changed. And i would like to just add to have Secretary Austin say that we can take this one serious crime out of the Chain Of Command is is huge and its huge because hes saying that commanders dont need authority to instill discipline and control. Hes saying you can still be a great commander and not have one right. 3 of our commanders have this Convening Authority so 97 have to instill good order and discipline without it. This change by Secretary Austin is a gamechanger because it shows that these decisions should be made by trained Military Prosecutors who are disciplined, welltrained, technically trained and unbiased. All right. New york senator Kirsten Gillibrand and congresswoman jackie speier, thank you so much for your time. Still ahead, President Biden is set to unveil his administrations plan to fight gun violence in this country. Well bring it to you live as son as it gets under way. Plus, a political stunner in new york state. A selfproclaimed socialist upset the fourterm incumbent in the buffalo mayor primary. She joins us next live on ai dont know mohyeldin reports. Ai dont know mohyeldin reports. Yd happen. Dan the light was not even on. No, it was on. Dan what . With the new citi custom cash℠ card it pays to be you. From fitness clubs, gas stations, restaurants and more, earn 5 cash back that automatically adjusts to your top eligible spend category, up to 500 spent each billing cycle. What do we want for dinner . Burger. I want a sugar cookie. Wait. I want a bucket of chicken. I want. Its the easiest because its the cheesiest. Kraft. For the win win. Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about well, the names have all changed since you hung around welcome back, america. It sure is good to see you. All eyes may have been on new york citys mayoral race last night, but the biggest upset might have actually been in the states second largest city which could soon see the countrys first socialist mayor in half a century. According to the Associated Press india walton beat our fourterm democrat boy ron brown. The nurse turned activist backed by Democratic Socialists Of America won some 1,500 more vote than brown and is likely to win the general election as buffalo leans heavily democratic. Brown hasnt conceded yet and is weighing the option of a writein campaign according to the buffalo news. Heres India Walton Celebrating her win in this phone call with her mother just afterward. Take a listen. Mommy i won mommy, im not the mayor of buffalo. Not until january but, yeah joining me now is india walton. Thank you so much for your time. Congratulations to you on this historic victory. Your opponent will be the first incumbent buffalo mayor to lose since 1961. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo had this to say on brown earlier. His campaign strategy, as i understand it, was basically to avoid engaging in a campaign and then you had a very low turnout. We know that combination. Weve seen that before. That doesnt work. I want to get your thoughts on why you won. I mean, theres going to be a lot of people who will speculate about it as we heard there from the governor giving us his political analysis, but what do you believe the reasons are for your victory . I believe we won because we organized. We have a message of care, love and hope that is resonant with working class buffalo. We organized and we won. As i noted you would be the countrys first socialist mayor in more than 60 years. People like Governor Cuomo have called your win an anomaly. I want to hear from you what you think this means for the Broad Movement in the country and progress i was. What does it mean for leftist politics nationally, and obviously youre aware of how those on the right use the term socialism to hammer the Democratic Party generally. What do you make of that broadly speaking . The pandemic hats proven that we can have social programs that prioritize people and working class maam list and we can mac efforts and it work. Weve all enjoyed Flow Health Care and thats socialism and our government stepping up to take care of its people and thats what we should expect as any citizen. What would you like to see change in the city of buffalo specifically . What would be your priority be as mayor . My priority is putting resources in neighborhood and really tackling the issue of poverty. Buffalo is the poorest city of our side in the country. 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The decision by the doj to seize these websites comes at a delicate time obviously with another round of a Iran Nuclear Deal talks wrapping up, another set expected to take place in the next couple of weeks. What has been the response so hoorng . It does got at a time when earth power from either side could irans minister says the country accused the u. S. Of Suppressing Freedom Rand exposing the crimes of the u. S. And its allies in the rogge op. Im quoting them. The current president s Chief Of Staff said negotiations could be complicated in vienna and in the same presser he said an agreement has been reached in vienna to remove all u. S. Sanctions including well over 1,000 trumpera sanctions. Now if that is the case, they are not going to let the u. S. Shut willing down some sites get in the removal of sanctions which is what they are entirely focused on right now. I know that amman, just so i can add. Yeah. Within hours of the u. S. Shot willing those sites down they were up and down again and not using demont but iranian owned i. R. They are all back up and running now anyway. Another interesting story out of iran. Iranian authorities claiming they thwarted what they are calling a Sabotage Attack on a civilian Nuclear Facility near tehran. Few details have been released so far about it. What have you learned . Well, authorities here are saying that they foiled yet another attempt at Sabotage Attack, this time at a civilian Nuclear Facility about 25 miles northwest of tehran. State media said that the attack was against the building belonging to Irans Atomic Energy Organization and that there were no casualties and damage and that the effort to disrupt the Iranian Nuclear program was unsuccessful. Initially, ayman, state media said that it was a failed drone attack but they quickly retracked that report and the a few details have emerged since other than they say they are working on finding the perpetrators, but aman, as you well know, these failed Sabotage Attacks follow several incidents targeting Irans Nuclear facilities and scientists that have tightened tensions recently, attacks which iran say they are all haul marks of an israeli operation. Now so far iran hasnt blamed israel for the attack nor have the israelis but these sort of attacks when they happen authorities tend to play them down initially, and its not until later that the full extent of the damage becomes clear. Already. Ali arouzi live for us in tehran. Thanks as always. Joining me is Maryland Democratic senator ben cardp, members of the Senate Foreign relations and finance committee. Senator, thanks so much for your time. Irans incoming president raisi dismissed Nuclear Negotiations would involve irans Ballistic Missile program as well as regional policies two things that we know that the u. S. This time around wants to try to include in the deal. Raisis election, im curious to get your thoughts, does it have an impact on any potential deal . Does it mean that the Biden Administrations goal of expanding the deal is unlikely to succeed . Amman, i have a great deal of confidence in the Biden Administration and the negotiations. They recognize that the circumstances today are different than when the Nuclear Agreement was entered in several years ago or when President Trump unilaterally withdrew from the deal so they need to look at the current circumstances and the current circumstances as youre reporting very much indicates that we have to deal with irans activities beyond their Nuclear Development and we also have to deal with a more permanent ban on nuclear production. Do you think its in the u. S. Interest to try and revise this deal or get back into the deal before this new hardline president is sworn in . Would that be a smart move . Make it clear, the ayatollah controls the decisions in iran. The support important, dont get me wrong, but i dont think thats going tonight factor as to how a new deal is structure. We know were dealing with an authoritarian regime, a regime that supports terrorism, a regime that we cant trust what they say publicly so were not naive about that, and i know the Biden Administration understands that. What do you think of the timing of the u. S. To seize those websites, those iranian websites, do you think its the right time for the doj to do so. I think we always have to act with the authority that we have to support our principles and the timing should not be dependant upon certain negotiations that could take place or not take place. They are too speculative, so i think we had to do what we needed to do to protect our interests and i support whats done and quite frankly i dont think thats a Determinative Factor in regards to these negotiations. Lets turn to some of the domestic issues and certainly the Voting Rights debate taking place in this country with the failure of s1 to proceed. Is there anything else that the democrats should be doing to try to shore up and secure Voting Rights in this country . Well, i was extremely disappointed by the vote yesterday where the Republicans En Masse refused to even allow the senate to debate Election Security issues. This is a motion to proceed to a debate, so we wouldnt even have a debate on the floor of the United States senate. Were going to continue to raise these issues because voting protection is fundamental to our democracy. We cant let these issues go. We recognize we have proceed awful hurdles in the senate, but were going to continue to bring this to the attention of the American People and were going to continue to fight to make sure that our Democratic Institutions are protected. Should democrats be folk why youed on some of the more domestic, state level domestic level fights, if you will, against Voting Rights restrictions as opposed to trying to get something done in the senate . I think we have to do it both at the state level and at the federal level, but lets be clear about it. We have some very unfriendly states right now in the way that they are acting, that we should have the protection of a national legislation. We know that. As Senator Schumer said were going back 60 years plus where We Saw Obstructionist tactics used in the senate to try to block Voting Rights. Were seeing that again, and weve got a fight at the National Level for basic protection but we also need to bring these issues effectively at the state level. Finally, senator, i want to ask you about infrastructure. Senator joe manchin as you know very well signaling some openness to using Budget Reconciliation to push through an Infrastructure Package without any republican votes. Do you think the bipartisan Infrastructure Compromise can win enough democratic votes to pass, or do you think that democrats should push ahead with Budget Reconciliation to get the package passed . Theres only one path that i think that that can work Going Forward and thats moving on both fronts. Let move a bipartisan bill and i think the democrats will support the bipartisan bill provided that theres a second bill that will be passed on party line on reconciliation that keels with what was left out of the bipartisan bill. The bipartisan bill is narrowly focused and doesnt deal with any of the major American Family plan initiatives of the biden straights. We need a second bill in order to get the first bill. We need both. 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So far prosecutors have charged her 500 people for crimes connected to the capitol riot. They expect that number to reach 550 before they are done. Joining me with more from capitol hill is scott mcfarland. What did the judge have to say in this sentencing . This is a small case, a lower level case but it could be characterized as a big victory for federal prosecute, o. They got exactly what they were asking for out of this judge today. Three years probation for anna morgan lloyd, 39 years old from indiana. In court she apologized to the American People saying she ashamed that january 6th became so safage a. The judge, this is important, the judge before sentencing her felt a unique responsibility because this is a milestonies can a, the first sentencing. Then he went ahead and criticized republican lawmakers for comparing january 1th to tourists and said this was not tourists or a peaceful protest. The juxtaposition of those words saying judges want to provide clarity of what exactly happened here on january 6th. Amman, the feds got exactly what they were seeking in this case. Interesting to see what it sets in terms of precedence for other cases. There was a separate hearing today where an accused oath keeper pled guilty to charges stemming as well from the january 6th riot. What more can you tell us about that case . The second big case in the past hour, second big victory for federal prosecutors. They got a Plea Agreement with Braidon Young pleading guilty to conspiracy, the most serious charge leveled so far in the january 6th insurrection. Whats more, they got a signed deal in which he agrees to cooperate with prosecutors, testify before the grand jury. His sentencing will be put off for some time as he cooperates and helps the feds with their cases but its clear, amman, that the epicenter of this sprawling January 6th Case and prosecution are these far right groups, including the oath keepers accused of conspiring, plotting and planning not just being here organically and getting caught up with a mob that day. Scott, as always, thank you. President biden about to lay out his strategy to stop gun violence in this country. What his administration plans to do to attack the root of the problem. Well explain that to you next. And next news White House Correspondent Peter Alexander sat down with second gentleman doug emhoff for his First Network tv interview which will air tomorrow morning on the today show and all nbc news platforms. Youre watching Amman Mohyeldin reports. Youre watching Amman Mohyeldin reports. One a day and done. 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Its the easiest because its the cheesiest. Kraft. For the win win. You ready . Ready . Ready. You ready . Ready no. No, no, no, no, no. Are you ready . I dont wanna die any minute now President Biden and attorney general Merrick Garland will outline the administration owes plan to reduce the surge of gun violence hitting American Cities as pandemic restrictions continue to be lifted. The president s strategy includes stem the flow of guns used to commit violence as well as giving Law Enforcement more resources to better respond to gun violence. The administration also planning to use funds to expand Summer Camp Programs and other social services they say will present these kinds of crimes from happening in the first place. Joining me now is Pulitzer Prize winning journalist jonathan on. Also with us cheryl dorsey, a retired sergeant from the lapd. The author of the confidence chronicles. Its great to have both of you with us. Sergeant dorsey, i would like to start with you and looking to the spike in Violent Crimes. The data from the last month shows a 24 rise in homicides in the First Quarter of this year compared to last year during the pandemic. What do you think is at the root of this spike and do you believe from what youve seen so far that this plan adequately addresses those problems . Its difficult to know exactly whats the cause for the spike in crimes. What i can tell you is and we heard some of this is officers feelings are hurt, they dont feel supported and morale is low and many officers are stepping away from elite units that are normally used to tamp down this surge in crime, if you will. Officers, i know for a fact, ive heard them say, will be slow to respond to calls for service. Some of what the president may propose is helpful, what do you do on the state level for officeers who dont want to do their job now because their butt hurts . Police reform was a top issue in the mayoral primary debates in new york city. How confident are you this funding for Law Enforcement will be targeted in ways that address the crime spike without further militarizing police forces, that money going to police is simply militarizing departments and not addressing the root problem of crime . Well, thats one of the things that could be done, if memory serves, via either the department of justice or certainly the president and what he says today could narrowly taylor and say that money were sending you cant be used for this purpose or that purpose, but if youre putting it out there, if i remember reading the notes from the call last night, this money is for Community Policing and other as suspects that do involve Police Officers and we have to remember the spike in Violent Crime, that the spikes were happening before george floyd was murdered, which republicans have been trying to use as the reason why crime is spiking. We have to keep that in mind. The other thing is lets put this into a much larger context. Yes, Violent Crime is rising but we are nowhere near the bad old days in this country of the late 80s, early 90s where in new york city, for example, there was an average of 2,000 murders a year. We are nowhere near that. That is not to diminish the concern about the rise in crime around the country but we have to have a sense of proportion and context to whats happening. Sergeant dorsey, you brought up morale, a very interesting part of this conversation. Retirements surged in the period between april 2020 and april 2021. Resignations shut up by 18 in the same period. What are you hearing about the reason morale is so low . How do you make it better while at the same time not losing sight of the need for Police Reform and better policing . Part of the problem is officers feel unsupported. Theyre not allowed now, apparently, to run willynilly through communities of color and inflict unnecessary use of force. We see officers who are reportedly Stepping Down, and understand theyre not resigning from the police department. Theyre just Stepping Down from elite units like the rrt, the Rapid Response team, over in portland, like the s. W. A. T. Officers stepped down in florida. Why . Theyre bothered by the fact they cant knock a 75yearold man down and have him crack his head down without retribution. I say good riddance. Lets bring out officers who are more like mined with me who want to serve the xunt and not abuse the community. Do we need to do better recruiting . How do you do better policing in this country . This is a tough pill to swallow because Police Chiefs and those who hire dont want to recruit people, certainly who look like me and its been reported that on the seattle department, as soon as they ran her off on a rail they fired 100 officers. We have to maybe have a consent decree, i know this to be true. Lapd did it. They will. Jonathan, the final question about this, the president has to walk a fine line because they are using phrases like defund the police and say theyre going to make cities lawless and were seeing crime go up. What do you think the white house should be doing to sell this in a way the American People can digest it without giving americans a Talking Point . Acknowledge the fear about the rise in Violent Crime from one year to the next. But the other thing is to also acknowledge the fear and pain that is out there among communities of color about overzealous policing. Overzealous being a kind word for some families, like the floyd family, the Breonna Taylor family, and i could go on down the list of communities that feel theyve been overpoliced. The president has talked about this many times before. Were going to hear very familiar messages but this is where the president is at his best, threading that needle youre talking about, ayman. He will do it in a way that resonates with most americans. Jonathan capehart, cheryl dorsey, thank you for your time. We are still awaiting the president to make the announcement from the white house. That wraps up the hour for me am ill see you back here at 3 00 p. M. Eastern. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace after this break. Eak. Spray, lift, skip, step. Swipe, lift, spin, dry. Slam, pan, still. Fresh move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. Degree. Ultimate freshness activated when you move. What do we want for dinner . Ultimburger. Ness i want a sugar cookie. Wait. I want a bucket of chicken. I want. Its the easiest because its the cheesiest. Kraft. For the win win. Hi there, everyone. Its 4 00 in the east. President joe biden today tackling rising crime in america as post pandemic economic displacement collides with americas worldwide infamy as the globes mass shooting hot spot. Any moment now the president will be joined by attorney general Merrick Garland to unveil a package of policies designed primarily to do two things. One, fund Community Policing efforts and, two, send a political signal that the democratic president and the democratic majorities in Congress Hear the publics growing fears about the rise in Violent Crime. The ap writes today about the tightrope President Biden is walking. Quote, the worry over crime is real and believed to be fueled by the pandemic which has created economic hardship, displacement and