And the indiscretion that was cited by Donald Trump. And by by rejecting the attack, mccarthy is also throwing under the bus john kadko, Who Mccarthy Depend tied to negotiate the deal. He is sticking by the deal he negotiated. Of previous proposals who sought Speaker Pelosi slammed rpg shortly after the announcement. Watch. Im very pleased we have a bipartisan bill come to the oor, and disappointing, not surprising that the on the part of someone on the republican side so reps dont want a commission to, quote, find the truth it just might be because the truth contains devastating details. Heres what Liz Cheney had to say along those lines to our colleague Savannah Guthrie last week. Ive been very public that commission needs to be bipartisan, only look at January 6th and he events leading up to it, now to the Blm And Antifa riots last summer. I think that intense focus threatens people in Mire Party who may have been playing a role they should not have been playing. Axios all but confirms her thinking the feeling among most members is erv is nervous how it could be weaponized. There are also concerns about how it may alienate members of the Gop Base as well as former President Trump who was impeached by the house. A vote on the commission will now take place tomorrow, which meets lawmakers will one against have to go on the record as being for accountability, for those who fomented an insurrection, or against it. The gop is an obstacle to accountability is where we start today. Jake sherman, the founder of punchbowl news, and donna edwards, and New York Times political reporters, lucky for us, all three msnbc contributors. Ive been glued to the twitter feed. Mccarthy, mcconnell to investigate January 6th, they will have unilateral subpoena power, it expects upwards of 20 he says hes undecided and signals he wants to look at it more. Is the plan just to obstruct the investigation . You know, ill bring you up to speed. Mccarthy said he didnt like the scope of the probe. He was a party to the negotiations that john had with the democrats. He was kept in the loop. As soon as he cut a deal, he threw katko under the bus. This bill will pass the house. Mitch mcconnell seems open to this commission. If it gets through the senate, this would be a humiliating defeat for Kevin Mccarthy. If it gets through the house with a bunch of republican votes, that also will be a pretty humiliating defeat for mccarthy. The only goal here and im giving him the benefit of the doubt, but the only goal i can see that mccarthy is trying to achieve here is appeasing trump. Its not having his fingerprints thats mccarthy all over this committee that will be could be pretty bad for other republican members of the house. But the Point Tiffs also making, nicolle, it seems shortsighted to oppose this if youre roms. Pelosi has given into all the demands, equal representation on the committee, gives them a say in subpoena power. If Pelosi Prevertebrae to the committee, run this investigation through the Oversight Committee or Homeland Security committee, that would be a structure in which republicans dont have a say. This could have their hands on the process or not. Mccarthy has suggested he what rather not have his hands on the process, which from an internal Point Of View is pretty embarrassing, but at this point, and im going to report soon at the house vote, i do believe there will be a large number of defections on this Bill Tomorrow when it gets to the floor. Weve heard anywhere from 20 to 40, it comes to a pint where if you get a bunch of defections you could have a ton of republicans just Jailbreak And Vote for the whole thing. A lot of really interesting dinaismices here. To answer the core of your question, i just really do think that republican leadership wants to again, like we talked about last week with Liz Cheney, move on from January 6th. Those same Human Beings had a complete, what do you think he said he wanted to listen, this committee, so theoretically these outside experts, can compel people what was he talking about from trying to take back the majority and trying to lead in direction, its not a terribly helpful thing to have what had be a commission investigating this. And some people on the investigative side think its not nearly long engh. Thats right. I want to press you on one more thing. Unfortunate some of the best reporting about the underoccurrence between Liz Cheney and Kevin Mccarthy, frankly, having as much ado, about about Kevin Mccarthy needing to tell investigators exactly what he knows what Donald Trump was doing and what he knew. Is that in hindsight what led to the purge of her in his Leadership Team as much or more than her refusal to go along with the Big Lie. I think the relationship was absolutely broken. Ive end less conversationsh about her fervent desire and for as honest January 6th commission. Im not sure she had ever publicly connected the dots from subpoenaing mccarthy, but she had been she at that other retreat, where their lationship disagreed publicly about the scope because there they were at this retreat trying to get on the same page and she was jumping off another page, onto the page of many democrats and frankly what many republicans had been saying quietly. I think that was the undoing of that relationship. You know, i want to bring you in what we think kevin and those this will pass the house, and if you look at what Kevin Mccarthy said, the day of the insurrection, and i remember that call being reported that, what trump said to mccarthy, people care more this is a hostile exchange. What is the scope of what he knows, and what does it matter . It has some contemporaneous information, about more of a President S state of mind, and so right there is the program for Kevin Mccarthy. Hes the oddson favorite to be the speaker of the house in 2022, and i think that, look, if the commission embarrassing him he has the ability and if Kevin Mccarthy has to be a wince against donna, i want to read you some reporting on Kevin Mccarthys future as the latest it comes into the bullseye. And House Minority Leader in his side. In a first time of their rip, she wouldnt vote for mccarthy for speaker. I think that weve been to have leaders who lead based on principle. Thats not what we have seen from him, cheney said. I understand the party is totally captured now im not sure it will Liz Cheney has also said shes not going to let up. That Liz Cheney will have been poking and pruding all the way and that would do damage to him. He will be constantly defending himself. Whether she has that the danger for him is that think commit could get in the way of his ability to do what he need to do as leader and for republicans around the country as he tried to take back the house gavel. I happen to believe hes never going to be speaker of the house of representatives, because he will show Suc Fealty to Donald Trump that when Donald Trump falls, Kevin Mccarthy falls. I think thats so bold. Im going to put that on my calendar. I have this theory about what Liz Cheney is doing. I think what shes done and what will have the greatest impact is shes created a Permission Structure for all the people who have tucked their tails between their legs for the last five years to speak out. Here is one of them, the Lieutenant Governor of georgia. You know, look, weve been four year to try to get this right. And we should never leave a meeting without reminding everybody why were good at that. You know, this doesnt need to be a personality contest, this needs to be a policy over politics platform, where we try to but when you receive Death Threats, thats a problem. When youre only sitting there telling the truth. In such a public way, he called to say Voter Suppression laws, even the one . Georgia so theyve been out there delivering a message in a fullsome way. But i wonder what you think those voices culminate in. The answer is not much, i dont think. The truth is a Third Party only arises in u. S. Politics if theres some huge to not being serviced by a current party. I think mccarthy is wrong with the appetite of a policy over politician platform. I think what trump revealed is theres a massive appetite for grievance politics, for attack politics, for the theater of politics, for attacking the people you hate and seeing them attacked and brought down. That is the thrill of trumpism. Thats what he delivers. Once you have tasted that, i think for a lot of voters its hard to go back to tax cuts, judges and abortion. I agree with you, nick. Donna, i want to read a piece that delivers a Heart Truth for nevertrump republicans. This is in the Washington Post. The misguided identity politics, at this point the best and probably only way to stop trumpism would be for a significant share of republicans to align with the but heres the problem. For many trump skeptical republicans, both elite and rangeandfile, and being a republican is part of their personal identity. So far too few willing to prioritize the health of the country over the attachment. It shouldnt be a hard choice, our electoral structure is set up for two parties, so its just a waste of time to talk much about thirdparty efforts. The best way to fort is question in successive elections. I think thats hard for a lot of republicans who hang on to the type of things that Lieutenant Governor duncan is talking about. It shouldnt be bandy on the Democrat Party to widen their belief systems, but the new reality is theres a bench of republicans who are just people without a country in the wilderness. Its not democrats job to fix the republican party, its not democrats job to Hold On to a republican Policy Agenda to bring republicans in, because they have no place to go within the republican party. If this is going to be fixed, it has to be fixed really from within that party. I dont think that that happens in just one election cycle. I think you can have defections but it will take more than that. It was not a few years ago that a group of democrats were talking about splitting off into a Third Party. That just went nowhere. It fizzled, because that is just thats just not how we function. We have a twoparty system. One of the parties is working really fine, and the other one is completely broken. Those republicans and there have to be more of them. They have to speak out. I dont think they can continue to hide behind this idea that they can speak out a bit or only on occasion. It has to be constant, it has to be persistent, and it has to be loud. There are some names being floated for this commission, and your reporting confirms there will be somehow someway some sort of commission. I want to float these these are from politico, and ask you to add mission you have heard. They named chris swecker, Susan Brooks of indiana, a former prosecutor, a friend of our show, former congressman riggleman. Former congressman mark frost, former congressman pete hoekstra. Can you clarify any of those names . I dont think any of them mean anything. I hate to be dismissive. Thats why youre here. If this comes down, this will be between mcconnell and mccarthy, and i would imagine there will be nobody outward already hostile to trump. Mccarthy simply wouldnt great to it. Number two, if the commission doesnt pass, if the senate is unable to clear it, means if ten senate republicans do not join with the democrats on the senate side, thinking it through, it will go to regular committees, or pelosi could create a select committee, like republicans did for benghazi. They could appoint members to that committee. The only situation in which theres a committee made up of outsiders if the House And Senate clear that bill. Unclear at the moment if the senate will do so. Again, the Bills Calls for these are just people being floated by other members of consequence. This independent commission, if its put in place, the members already appointed by mcconnell and mccarthy. Nobody elses opinion matters. Let me press you on something you said. No one is openly hughesle to trump. Does that mean that that rules on the Chris Christie, who is in that group . Tucker carlson . I dont think thats the case. I think that some i think that people who have been who were considered, you know not people i dont want to say that. Many people believe that Joe Biden is the duly elected president. I dont think they will put anybody on this committee who does not believe that. Franklies, thats my guess but i just have to imagine that it wont be people who are considered nevertrumpers. Thats just my gut at this point. I would button it by saying its a small universe of people who believe that Joe Biden was elected and there was no fraud. Bill barr frankly is in that universe. Chris christie is in that universe, but nots Kevin Mccarthy. It seems. Come back if you get more reporting in the next two hours. Donna edwards, nick confess yore, stick around. The Threering Circus weve been witnessing, may finally have reached a Tipping Point, with some of in the republican party there. We will explain. Plus Example Number too many not to count of Trump And Bill barrs overreach at doj. 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An explosionive public meeting, Officials Yesterday rebuking the sham election, a spectacle harming all of us, adding its time to make a choice to defend the constitution and the republic. It is time to end this, for the gmc of the country and the institutions that define us as americans. Maybe we can call it the Cheney Fact or the growing fear about the link between the Big Lie and growing threat of domestic extremism. In arizona, at least a few republicans are standing up for the truth. The question this hour What Happens Next . Joining our conversation, the Arizona Republic Reporter brian randazzo, Donna And Nick are still here. As you noted the republicans O Runlections in this county have just had enough. They do not believe there was any fraud. They know there was no fraud. They ran the election. What happened is they were accused of Deleting Files and mishandling ballots. They were accused on twitter. Remember, we dont know who runs the Twitter Account for this audit thats taking place. Theyre just sick of it. They were asked to come down to the senate, and they refused to do that. They had their own press conference. We didnt delete files, your auditors dont know what theyre doing. Nothing was lost, nothing was deleted, were doing the homework for your auditors, because you didnt hire competent people to take care of this. Donald trump emails out statements weighing in on the arizona audit, but also last friday, learned of domestic extremism tied to the Big Lie, but it feels like what pushed these folks Over The Edge this challenging of personal integrity. I want to read you what is in the letter to the senate president. The acindication that Maricopa County deleted data is false. The various questions about our Election Procedures reveal a serious misunderstanding of election laws. The third point especially is a broad message that Liz Cheney has made in a public way, but its questioning their integrity and professionalism. Can you talk about the factors that built up to putting this in writing . I think the Tipping Point when they were accused on twitter of breaking the law. The County Supervisors just realized this is not at all an audit of finding problems. It seems aiming Drawing Money to the contractors who are Conspiracy Theorists who are runningcontrol. The senate doesnt control the audit or the Twitter Account the contractors do, and they have espoused Conspiracy Theories. The republicans you just showed you are frustrated, because they realize theres no end to this. These folks will keep trying to control the news cycle, and the supervisor said we wont answer any of your questions. We will not jump every time you dont understand how files are transferred or how ballots are moved around in tamperproof bags. As you said, its going to make more people question the integrity of elections and theyre not going to question that. They run the elections, they know they were clean and theyre not goods to participate in this sham, circus, grift, they had a whole post of descriptors for whats going on at the coliseum. Weve spend a lot of time about talking about the Voter Suppression laws. They raise criminal penalties, they alsoly deprive some career Election Officials of their authority. Theyve been in an untenable and unprecedented position, but i want to read you a tweet from congressman riggleman, Arizona Officialssh they lack character, are a disgrace, asking cyberninjas to audit is like asking a Fry Cook to remove a tumor. He said it crossed a line for them when people started coming for the Staff And Election workers who had done their law and worked diligently to uphold the law. This is very troubling. There are thousands of Election Officials who are civil servants around the country who conduct elections with every signingle. I think in Maricopa County, all republicans you have noted in Maricopa County, these are elections officials who would, in order to believe the importance of this audit, would also have to acknowledge that they didnt conduct a free and fair election. It doesnt makes sense. This cyberninjas doesnt know anything about elections, theyre not certified, but theyre in the middle of this. It must be an embarrassment for Maricopa County, but its really a black stain on democracy when this kind of thing is allowed to happen, the kind of thing that happens in a banana republic. Nick, for the sake of our democracy, i wish republicans to recur if republicans likely denounce the recount, it will again and again republicans have had the option of taking offramps, yet they had nod. Thats what Liz Cheney is describing. She describing Donald Trumps quote, crusade against democracy, and last friday we had proof of our Law Enforcement Community in america, that the threat of domestic extremism persists to a degree they reissued a security threat. What do you think this does sort of inside the efforts to deradicalize our stop i think the most recent polls from cbs show only 33 of republicans think that Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election. Its around offramp to nowhere. It doesnt lead to a new party or different party. The paradox here is the 8 to 10 of bush republicans, lets say, who were antitrump, will be a check On Trumpism in national elections, about you theyre not liberals. Theyre taxcut conservatives, traditional conservatives. Theyre not going to vote for or empower or validate a liberate approach to government. So were stuck in this paradox, that they could be a Bulwark Against Trumpism in the gop and the national race, but they are not there to validate and place a contrary set of Accomplice Cal beliefs. Its probably a lot to ask them to do that. So its going to leave the country, i think, in this stuck place, well be going back and forth for a while and not really fully repudiating or validating any new model. Ryan, What Happens Next . No counting until they can get back in the coliseum after some graduations this week. Theyre asking the senate to just stop. They said, you know, they have shown their cards, the cyberninjas dont know what theyre doing. Were going to hear the senates response today, and i expect theyll be back in the coliseum next week. If anything happens, in the next hour and a half, jump back on, wave your arms. We would love to hear any updates. Thank you for your help. Thank you all for Spenting Time with us today. Up next, chairman of the house Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes was one of the willing stooges. Now were hearing the depths the Justice Department may have gone through to silence a parody Twitter Account. A parody Twitter Account. We need to reduce plastic waste in the environment. Thats why at Americas Beverage companies, our bottles are made to be remade. Not all plastic is the same. Were carefully designing our bottles to be One Hundred percent recyclable, including the caps. Theyre collected and separated from other plastics, so they can be turned back into material that we use to make new bottles. That completes the circle, and reduces plastic waste. Please help us get every bottle back. How people on the twitter says bad things to me. What a snowflake. Look, man, i think its terrible when kids are bullied online, but for a grown man, this shouldnt be possible. First of all, dont click on your mentions. You are choosing to visit your bullies. Hey, trevor, click here to get a wedgie. The lawsuit failed, but apparently Devin Nunes did not stop there. A newly unsealed court filing, one reveals in the final most, the congressman coordinated with a trumpappointed u. S. Attorney in secretly obtaining a grand Jury Subpoena last year in an attempt to identify a person behind a Twitter Account dedicated to mocking nunes. After it was filed in accept, twitter took exception to it, biden took office, and the doj suppressed the subpoena. Joining us is andrew wiseman. And Nancy Parker is here. Lucky for us theyre both here. I wanted to travel down Memory Lane with you. Devin nine none nunes was down at the who you getting dropped off in ubers, trying to unmask people. What part of the story intrigues you . One was, as you mentioned Devin Nunes was railing about an unmasking, and basic le he and the trump Justice Department were trying to unmask the identity of this seems like a pretty anonymous parity, Satire Twitter user. So theres signs he can give it, but cant really take it. And then he doesnt use this word, but he doesnt like this misinformation being leveled against him. This was also not the account he tried to go after, but a account that poked he didnt like the cow puns, but wasnt a rho that Donald Trump spread about the results of the election that led to a deadly insurrection on January 6th. Those are sort of two areas that are particularly intriguing to me. Andrew is more diplomatic than i am. He was not the last, but the first Trump Shill among the house republicans. On the powerful Intelligence Committee trying to aid trump. I want to ask you to help us understand what could have led to squash that, it seems like some of es were led to believe until bill barr, it was flowing forward, under Joe Biden it was stopped. Let me read some of the facts. The motion to suppress a subpoena that they filed in march, that the Justice Department sent twitter a dizzy mand, so trump had lost, but this was still before the inauguration to provide identifying information about the users nunes alt. E obvious backfired by propellets then to i follow both of them now. From being held liable, and five months later, the Justice Department stepped in with its grand Jury Subpoena, arguing it needed to identify the person behind the account, because there was a criminal investigation involving interstate commerce. My biggest question is, are there any facts to justify the issuance of the grand Jury Subpoena in november of 2020. The claim in the twitter papers where they quote an assistant united States Attorney in the District Of Columbia saying this was done because of threatening communications. That seems transparentally thing, because we have all of the twister accounts and feeds. We can see that. Also, if there was anything to it, why is it two months later that the Justice Department is saying, you know what . Were going to give this up, and that theres a threat to a congressional officer thats going to be taken seriously. This really smacks of a grand Jury Subpoena being issued for political purposes. The way i look at this is not so much about Devin Nunes, but the same week we learned about the justicedenying federal prosecutors the search of Rudy Giulianis devices, twice we are asked, and main judd said, no. That that is to shield friends. Here you have the Justice Department by all accounts, that theyre using the Grand Jury as a sword on behalf of a political ally. Thats really, you know, the road to hell for a democracy. The Rule Of Law means that it applies whether theyre democrats or republicans in power, and the Justice Department isnt supposed to do the bidding of either. Road to hell, youve got my attention. Let me just press you a little further. Do you believe that there were threats from this account to department nunes, that the Garlan Monaco would have dropped the case . Absolutely. When itches in the Justice Department or could be trying to protect somebody from threats. It doesnt matter. Thats just a common idea that i think any american i think would be think is right. Theres no way in gods green earth that Lisa Monaco or Merrick Garland are going to quash an investigation thats righteous about somebody truly threatening somebody whos in congress. Theyre not going to care about who which party that person is in. I had that same reaction. I think, frankly this story is bigger than the pieces we see. Well stay on it with both of your help. President Biden Today was in michigan, promoting his american Jobs Plan and touring the ford electric vehicle center. Then it turns out, he got to have a bit of fun. He caught up to the press, test driving the electric version of fortes f150 pickup. Watch. Reporter mr. President. 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If theres one thing we learned about covid, its that you cant predict it so we now have a vaccine Defense System, a genetic surveillance Defense System and kind of a military analogy, we put up as many defenses as possible, but we have to reserve the ability to be prepared for the worst, and so, im happy the vaccines work. I want more unvaccinated people to get vaccinated, and in the meantime, you know, keep our kids safe and do what we can to protect those who dont have a chance to get vaccinated yet im with you. I have a child for whom there is no approved vaccine yet, and i wonder if you could just talk about the intersection of the folks for whom there is no vaccine and the lifting of mas i think thats where some of the anxiety came from last week. How do you see those sort of concerns being alleviated. Yeah, to me, its pretty simple that if youre in a setting where you know people are fully vaccinated, the children in your kindva of settg will most likely be safe. Risk is incredibly low. But if you go into kind of an indoor, retail, poorly ventilated or anyly sort of setting that doesnt have great ventilation, obviously the children need to wear masks and honestly, im going to wear masks sttoo. The kids are too young to understand, mommys vaccinated, and youre denot. I have to keep them socially distanced so im going to do it with them. An i will just say, though, im hopeful, nicole, that cases continue to go down, down, down, where Community Transmission is so unlikely that even our unvaccinated children can continue to have a more normal life. No masks outdoors, maybe seeing some kind ofs, requirements in schools with good ventilation, maybe masks indoors, but being able to play outdoors. That is within sight and i think within reach. Dr. Kavita patel, we will continue to call on you, and its so nice to be talking about happy and positive and hopeful thingsti in the news. Thank you so much for spending some time with us today. 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Anyway, were walking over to the capitol right now, and i dont know, maybe well break down the doors. Hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence. Hi again, everyone. Its 5 00 in the east. Some of the most chilling sounds from the day of the capitol insurrection, rioters chanting to execute the sitting Vice President of the united states of america. The threat to Mike Pences life was so real and so urgent, he was rushed out of the Senate Chamber by his secret Service Detail and held in an undisclosed location. Reporting on that day found that rioters were less than 100 feet away from where Mike Pence and his family were hiding. It was an astonishing scene, seeing the Vice President flee for his safety as the capitol was breached, which makes reporting in a new Bombshell Book by our friend at the Washington Post, Carol Linnic all the more important and shocking. She takes a deep look into the history of the Secret Service, detailing The Agencys challenges and missteps over the court of 11 President S. She writes how politics and extremism have now seeped into The Agency. Heres her stunning account of what happened following the events of January 6th. Despite the heroism of their Brothers In Arms that day, some Secret Service personnel, again, took to Social Media in the days after January 6th, empathizing with and defending the mission of the armed rioters who breeched the capitol, the same ones who had pummelled Capitol Police officers with metal pipes and bats. One secret Service Officer called the Armed Protesters Patriots seeking to undue an illegitimate election and falsely claimed to her friends that disguised Antifa Members had started the violence. One president ial Detail Agent reposted a popular antibiden screed that criticized democrats for their relentless attacks on trump. Truly alarming findings that raise concerns about how far the infection of trumpian Disinformation And Extremism seeped into The Agency tasked with protecting the lives of then President Elect Joe Biden and Vice President elect Kamala Harris. Heres more about how the legitimate, the real President Elect faced limited protection due to the former guys lies. Because of the President S insistence that he was the victim of some inexplicable fraud, biden did not immediately receive the protective shield of a specially equipped armored car, a Counterassault Team and a beefed up detail. The service spread the word to confused agents that they simply had to wait until the results were official, when trump conceded or when the results were certified by the electoral college, but many agents said this delay ignored their own training. Once he became the presumptive President Elect, biden was automatically a bigger target for assassination. The decision to withhold this extra security only compounded the biden camps fears that trump had corrupted this elite band. What few realized was that clusters of agents, including some in trumps detail, were openly rooting for trump, a Fact Hiding in plain sight. Leonnig reports that members of Bidens Transition were troubled by what this meant for the President S transition and some agents who biden knew were brought back as supervisors. Questions swirling about the safety of the current president come as congress is wrestling with the formation of an independent commission to investigate what happened on 1 6. House Gop Leader Kevin Mccarthy announcing this morning, he will not support the bipartisan deal to establish one. Its a frightening look into the politicization of the people who are supposed to keep the leader of the free world safe. Its where we start this hour with Carol Leonnig, Washington Post national Reporter And Msnbc Contributor And Author of the stunning new back out today, Zero Fail the Rise And Fall of the Secret Service. I know that you knew everything that was in your book but as weve been talking about extremism in the Military And Extremism in Law Enforcement, your account of extremism in the Secret Service, in and around 1 6, is just staggering. Tell me more. I think what i found so shocking was, you know, i was reporting on January 6th just like you were, and literally within hours of that attack, i had agents who were reaching out to me, some former, some current, sharing with me Social Media postings of their colleagues, saying, look what Guy Number a, b, and c are saying on their personal accounts, some of them shrouded in a little bit of, you know, acronyms or special extra nicknames, but they were sharing things about how biden had been illegitimately elected, talking about the rioters who, again, were attacking other Police Officers with flag poles to the Chest And Fire extinguishers to the head, describing those attackers as patriots. This was disturbing to their colleagues enough that they shared these pieces of information with me. But you know, nicole, it isnt just that moment, as shocking as that is. You know, agents and officers had been upset starting back in June Of 2020 because thats the day, june 1, when the president deployed the Secret Service and the Park Police to clear out a square for a photo op. To show that hes the authoritarian leader, hes Riding Herd over all these protesters. Secret Service Officers were really upset about this, and they demanded to talk to their director about What In The World was going on. Why were they using this level of force . Was this appropriate with peaceable protesters . And that Conversation Led to many more private conversations in which agents and officers complained that members of the President S detail had maga hats on their desks. Supervisors had been deployed by the president to work, at least one of them, in the White House as political aides to the president. This was something that crossed a line the Secret Service had never crossed before, and there are just so many alums in that family, that noble family of Secret Service agents, who are appalled at the way the Trump Administration politicized this agency whose motto is not only, you know, worthy of trust and confidence, but also, the people elect him, we just protect him. Theyre supposed to be politically above reproach and independent of party politics. Carol, what happened, and where are the agents who on their personal Social Media accounts voiced their support for the insurrectionists . Are any of them tasked with protecting the current president or Vice President . Nicole, when i asked the Secret Service this question, when we were beginning to learn these pieces, they declined to comment and said that they take all inappropriate political speech seriously and they investigate it. But they declined to answer the questions, you know, what have you done with these individuals . Now, to their credit, or in their defense, its hard to talk about individual personnel cases, but some of these people are still working in very high levels and for example, the person that i mentioned who became the white House Deputy Chief of staff after running President Trumps detail, tony, is currently the Assistant Director of the Secret Service. Now, he has great reputation as an agent, but he crossed over into a political job in the White House, and now he is back in charge at a csuite level, protecting President Biden. Carol, we have a statement from the Secret Service that im going to read. They say that the american people can rest assured that the u. S. Secret service is a political nonpartisan, our focus is not on politics but on uncompromising excellence and continual improvement, protecting national and world leaders and the security of our nations financial system. Theres no tolerance for conduct that casts doubt on the unwavering commitment to execute these missions. Were the agents protecting Mike Pence living up to that standard . I mean, was that too close for comfort for Anybody Thatou talked to . You know, i think Mike Pence found himself incredibly comforted by the agents around him and believed that they went beyond, you know, just the extra mile to protect him. Three times, his Detail Leader came into the Capitol Hideaway where pence and his family were stowed away, essentially hiding from the nooses outside on the lawn and from the people that were chanting hang Mike Pence. Three times, his Detail Leader came in and said, we have got to get you out of here. It is not safe. And finally, on the third time, the Vice President agreed. You can see his Detail Leader with his hand on Pences Shoulder there in that shot. And you know, pence did not want to leave the building. He wanted to finish the work, skpemted to certify that election. The Secret Service somehow found a safe enough place that they were comforted that they could keep him there. But meanwhile, there were Secret Service agents on the President S detail, you know, basically empathizing with the attackers that day. And i would also add that the director who makes the Statement Today that they will not put up with political conduct is the same director who allowed the head of the President S detail to join the White House as a political operative. Helping stage the President S campaigns, helping execute the clearing of Lafayette Square on june 1. Which is literally one of the most egregious presidency, one of the most egregious days of cumulative conduct. I want to read that excerpt from the book, because theres even more than what you have described to us. This is on anthony ornato, who was transferred to a political role in the trump White House. He coordinated rallies during the pandemic. Quote, the President Soon after promoted his loyal Detail Leader, anthony ornato, to a political role that was unprecedented for the nonpartisan Secret Service. At the President S urging, ornato took on the job of president ial political advisor as a Deputy Chief of staff in the trump White House. Ornato had arranged for the service to enable the President S authoritarian march across Lafayette Square on June 1st and coordinated the forceful removal of people protesting george floyds killing. Ornato had also been a key organizer of the President S Campaign Rallies out of town, putting the President S wishes ahead of the security of the people who protected him. Quote, the biggest tragedy is that trump politicized a part of the Secret Service who pride themselves on being apolitical, one newly departed agent explained. Thats the trump effect. Now, i think Joe Hagin had that job maybe at the beginning of the Trump Administration. He also had that job at the beginning of the bush administration, george w. Bush. That job, your hands are on absolutely everything, and i wonder how you go from being so deeply enmeshed in a President S political being back to a nonpartisan Secret Service, as you said, manager, deputy director. How has the return been received . There are a lot of alums in the Secret Service who are really disconcerted by this, and theres a small Group Vocal enough to say it out loud. Theres also a large group inside the Secret Service who feel that this is completely inappropriate. Just because, you know, its the idea that you crossed into a political realm and now youre returning to another one in which youre saying that youre objective, but you are willing to be a political arm, a tool, but i would say if we could if we kind of scale back and look at this from 30,000 feet, Theres Something else to be said, nicole, which is the President S impact on this agency, it was trying to recover and rebuild from a really painful series of mishaps and serial misconduct. And as it is doing that, Donald Trump arrives, who just like president nixon, believes that the Secret Service is not an entity that is important to the, you know, vital to continuing and safeguarding our democracy but a tool for his political ends. There is so much about Donald Trump that mirrors the Way President nixon treated the Secret Service. Again, just a way to implement his will. President nixon used it to eavesdrop on his opponents. President trump used the Secret Service to look authoritarian, create imagery that he felt would be beneficial to him in communicating to his base and use them and really put them in great danger of Contracting Covid by sending them out on these Campaign Rallies while covid was spiking around the country. I want to get to covid. Im glad you raise it, but i want to ask you about something that you said on npr because it shocked me that this is sort of where they are in terms of an agency seemingly staring into the abyss at this hour. You said, they strongly believed that it was a matter of time before a president was shot on their watch. Theyre worried that The Agency increasingly is relying On Luck and its really a matter of time before somebody finds the right chink and gets through. Wow. Is that their sort of belief of the current state of their abilities . There are a lot of agents who are worried about exactly that, nicole, and the reason i can tell you with absolute certainty that that is a fear is because they risk their careers and their jobs to tell me that. Right. You know, the Secret Service has fired people that have spoken to me. The Secret Service investigates to find anyone who has spoken to me or other reporters because its a Fireable Offense or at least they have made it a Fireable Offense. To take that kind of risk, to share this information with me, means its serious. And lets be honest. The moments before President Kennedy was killed, agents knew they were run ragged. They knew that their mission was larger than they could keep up with. They had a Jetsetting President , not enough people to cover all the bases, and their own director had been asking for hundreds more agents to cover what was a president constantly throwing himself into the maw of the american public, constantly putting himself in really into harms way. Those same warning signs are happening now. If we have an untrained intruder whos able to get into the White House in 29 seconds in 2014, and another untrained intruder with no plan gets up to the white House Door and walks around the complex two and a half years later because all of the alarms and sensors and radios are on the fritz, if these things keep happening, the President S alive based increasingly on chance, On Luck. Now, of course, its the dedication of the men and women of the Secret Service that helps protect that person, but give the Secret Service agents the tools they need to actually deliver on their Zero Fail mission. They cant be wrong once. Lets give them what they need to make sure they can actually deliver what they promise. And then i Cant End this conversation without i mean, you had some of the most stunning reporting about covid and how it impacted them and the world saw Donald Trump in his hermetically sealed vehicle while he was in the hospital with covid. What was the President S infection and the White House as a petri dish, what was that like for the Secret Service . There were agents who reached out to me that day who said, well, now we know he really doesnt care at all. Before, they were suspicious he didnt care. You know, in the defense of the detail, they did, as the director testified recently, they did wear medical, you know, medical Grade Wear to get into that vehicle with him, so i think those two individuals who were in the suv with the president were pretty much at a low risk, but so many things had to happen to get Donald Trump, a clearly infected covid patient, from his room into that suv. And why . What was the value, exactly, to the president and to the country to have him take that joyride . Was it worth those steps . Because it communicated to a large number of secret Service Officers and agents that their lives werent as important as his political joyride and his wave to his base. For all of about, you know, what, 15 minutes . Yeah. I want to i mean, Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani and other people close to trump ended up in the hospital with covid. Did members of Donald Trumps detail or other people around this White House get sick . Over the summer, up until october when the president was diagnosed, 300 secret Service Officers and agents came down with covid or were exposed to a coworker who tested positive, and they had to quarantine, and the total number, unfortunately, nicole, has never been tallied. That was the number as of sort of early fall. We just dont know. Im told that one person died. I dont know the details because the Secret Service has declined to discuss it. Its just amazing. I mean, its not a massive agency, to have 300 people at various times having to quarantine. I imagine that was a major, major impact for them. We cant let you go anywhere. The book is called Zero Fail by Carol Leonnig. Shes sticking around and when we return, weve talked so much with carol and others about rooting out extremism in various institutions, in Law Enforcement, in the military. Now extremism in the Secret Service. The agency charged with protecting the president questions the next President S legitimacy. 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The Lincoln Family of luxury suvs. Its been over four months since the January 6th insurrection at the u. S. Capitol and since then, federal officials have arrested more than 400 suspects in connection with the attack. Just last week, the first known active Duty Service Member was charged for his involvement in the riot. Major Christopher Warner who was stationed at quantico was charged with five counts, including assaulting and obstructing police. His arrest marks one of the first results of the Standdown Order from the pentagon as they attempt to weed out extremism from their ranks. Rooting out extremism is proving difficult for both the military and Law Enforcement and as Carol Leonnig just informed us and reports out in her new book, extremism may also run deep within the u. S. Secret service, begging the question, is the very department charged with protecting the president has extremist tendencies and ties, where do we even start to fix that . Joining our conversation, msnbc national Security Analyst frank figliuzzi, former fbi Assistant Director for counterintelligence. Also with us, Rick Stengel, former Undersecretary Of State For Public Diplomacy and Carol Leonnig, author of Zero Fail is still with us. Frank, im just dying to know what you think of what carols reported on the Secret Service. Im dismayed by it and i want to thank carol for providing a Public Service here in exposing what we need to know. I think many of us would be naive to think that somehow Law Enforcement and even, sadly, is Secret Service, would somehow be immune to everything thats going on in society. When we have an Fbi Director saying domestic terrorism and violent extremism is the top threat facing us, to think that somehow would not bleed into our Law Enforcement, even the most elite Law Enforcement agencies, is naive. So, the question now is, how we move forward in an agency that has, just like Everyone Else that surrounds the president , somehow been corrupted, tainted, changed its culture and its mores. The stories of having maga hats on the desk, for example, just kind of blows my mind from the standard Operating Procedure of apolitical federal Law Enforcement. The fact that Secret Service agents may have been cheering or even more disturbingly, confused about whether they would be providing a detail to the President Elect who actually, you know, won the election and is coming in now, per Rule Of Law, is astounding to me, and it begs the question of whether or not this Secret Service director, of which all of this happened on his watch, is up to the task, and has led The Agency as its supposed to be led, and if he Cant Answer why this happened and how this happened, then whether or not he needs to step down and i would love to know carols thoughts on that. Carol . Well, first off, frank, i want to thank you for what you just said about the service, the Public Service here, and i completely give my hats off to all the agents who shared these stories but im also glad, frank, that you mentioned the issue of the delay in providing protection to the President Elect. I remember the day that i spoke with a person who used to be in charge of that job, and he sounded like, literally, he was gasping on the other end of the phone when i told him that the President Elect was not getting a full President Elect detail at that moment on November 7th when it was very clear he was the presumed president to be. This agent said, you know, politics be damned. The president can fire me. I would have given biden everything that we give a President Elect. And this was coming from a person who personally was a republican but just knew what the right thing to do was. And it was clear on November 7th that biden was more in danger because he was the President Elect, end of story. So, im glad you focused on that. As for the current director, im not a politician. Im a reporter. But i can tell you what agents inside the building have to say, which is, this worries them, that this happened on the directors watch. And it worries them especially the lines that were crossed, that republican or democrat, no matter what agents personal views are, this was upsetting to them. Rick stengel, carol knows this already but ill just say this on tv. This story is painful for me. I had the privilege of traveling with george w. Bush and knowing a lot of his detail, and your feeling around them, when i was there, is ofawe, because know that these people, theyre sure as hell not there for the staff. Theyre there for the president but theyre there for the presidency, and so what pains me is that thats been lost, because What Carol Reports Out is that the presidency was no longer clear to them. They didnt they didnt trust the institutions either because President Elect biden became the President Elect, i guess it was the saturday after the election, and that there was any confusion, to me, just encapsulates the whole crisis for our countrys national Security Apparatus for the democracy, and i wonder your thoughts about how we fix it. Yes, its sad, and let me jump on the bandwagon of praising carol, because books like hers that are really important. The trump years were a Stress Test for the most important institutions in our society, and some of those institutions passed, which is great, and some failed. And we have to look back on that and its fine to have all of these books about Donald Trump, the personality, but we need to look at how he affected and sometimes poisoned our institutions, and from carols reporting, that looks like that is what happened. I mean, to repair our democracy, we have to really take a hard look at these institutions, and its great that she did that. I have to say, also, just from where you were saying, nicole, and hearing carol talk, i mean, and youve heard me talk about this before, i mean, you know, when we stop having Civics Education in america, that was a sad day. You have secret Service Officers who actually dont understand what it means to be a citizen, who take an oath and dont understand what that oath means, what it means to protect and defend the constitution, and so, you know, we have to, in many, many cases, go back to square one in these places to help and repair our democracy, and in the case of the biden administration, you know, thats they have to repair the train while its going down the track. Thats not easy to do. And Carol Leonnig, you have to answer this Question Sort of as best to your ability because i know that your sources speak really as youve explained at their own peril and with a lot of risk. Do they think President Biden and Vice President harris are safe . Well, they know that Vice President Kamala Harris and President Biden are at heightened risk compared to, lets just say, prepresident obama because obama, no doubt, was the most threatened president ever, especially in the days and weeks leading up to his inauguration. Those Death Threats spiked like nobodys business. But lets go back to a presidency youre familiar with, nicole. You know, george h. W. Bush. Biden is so much more threatened than George Bush and part of the reason is the domestic extremism that, thank goodness, you are focusing on day in and day out. The fracture in our country where people are being encouraged and enabled and stoked to believe things that are just not true and that its encouraging a kind of, you know, Vigilanteism And Violence and extremism thats frightening. That leads to an increase in, what do you think, assassination threats. Kamala harris, a woman of color, shes automatically got a larger target on her back than President Biden, and you can tell that by just any Social Media postings that you look at in White Supremacist organizations, in chatter in some of those organizations, the fbis watching that closely. But you know, one person we havent talked about in all of this who really knows his stuff and i hope he is watching this now and i assume that he is, based on some of my sources, is the new secretary of Homeland Security whos responsible for the Secret Service. This tiny agency in the antiterror behemoth that is known as the department of Homeland Security. More than 300,000 employees. So, his assignment now is to figure out, okay, how are the Law Enforcement teams under me dealing with domestic extremism . Chris wray says its really important to him. What do i know about the Law Enforcement teams under me and how they are ferreting this out and solving this problem in our midst . One of bidens former Detail Leaders told me that he thinks this is something that Law Enforcement has ignored for years. Maybe even more than a decade. Which is the sort of Silent Threat within. Conservatives who feel theyve been discarded, their voices silenced, they have been stoked to believe these Conspiracy Theories and yet theyre on the inside. Theyre an insthreat. The fbis working on it. Lets hear what the department of Homeland Security is working on with regard to that. And i couldnt agree more with something rick said. All agencies need to be assessed for Insider Threat but also damage, and like the basic core belief, you know, that Chief Of Staff John Kelly used to tell everyone in the hallways of the executive office building, we swore an oath to the constitution, not to the president. Thats our job. So, well see. Well see how this particular administration gets to the bottom of that and reinforces that. Well, if i could just add my praise, i mean, your reporting on the current state of the Secret Service and especially the reaction to 1 6 puts them on notice. We know that they know that they had problems internally, and i just congratulate you again for shedding more light on this story that well continue to cover. Frank figliuzzi, Rick Stengel and Carol Leonnig, thank you so much. Thank you, especially to you, carol, for spending so much of the hour with us. Carols new book Zero Fail is out right now. When we return, how one top democrat is holding the promoters and pushers of the Big Lie to account in the face of months of the frivolous challenges to an election Joe Biden clearly and convincingly won. Deadline White House continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Use continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. [sfx kids laughing] [sfx bikes passing] [sfx fire truck siren] onstar, we see them. Okay. Mother and child in vehicle. Mother is unable to exit the vehicle. 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More than six month after the election, the fallout from trumps conspiracies is everywhere from the faux audit of millions of ballots in arizona to the wave of Voter Suppression bills predicated on a lie filed in 47 State Houses all across this country by republicans who cite concerns over the nonexistent Election Integrity concerns stoked by the Big Lie. As part of a push for accountability for the Big Lies biggest promoters, democratic officials have filed motions in court to sanction the lawyers and the plaintiffs who brought some of the dozens of lawsuits seeking to overturn the election results. Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro is just one whos filed against Rudy Giuliani for his conduct during and after the 2020 election. And joining us now is pennsylvanias Attorney General, Josh Shapiro. You and i were talking in realtime, but pennsylvania really was the Test State for this push to delegitimize the election results, from the earliest days after the election, and i wonder how it feels now. Well, you know, you and i did talk in realtime as these issues were being litigated, and the elections were being certified. And thats exactly what happened. We had a smooth and safe election. The results were certified. The issues were litigated. And yet the Big Lie continues even to this day, nicole, where you have this Big Lie fueled on in part by Donald Trump but also in part by the unethical conduct of some attorneys, Rudy Giuliani and others. And it seems to me that we cant allow them to use the courts of the united states to perpetuate that Big Lie and to do so without any consequence. They have not only harmed our democracy, but they have Cost Taxpayers here in pennsylvania and across the country millions and millions of dollars. And they threatened all of us. Theres an intersection with the Big Lie and the current domestic violent extremism threat. But youve written a letter for the ages. I want to read some of it. Mr. Giuliani peddled false claims bout in and out of court that exPresident Trump had, in fact, won the president ial election or that he was the victim of widespread Voter Fraud. Neither, of course, is true. And although mr. Giulianis lies predictably failed to convince any judge to disregard the voters will, his Abuse And Misuse of courts had serious consequences. Pennsylvania Election Workers have received Death Threats from individuals convinced of the truth of mr. Giulianis lies. And pennsylvania spent more than 3 Million on outside attorneys to respond to electionrelated lawsuits, including more than 1. 7 million to respond to lawsuits brought by the trump campaign. These consequences must not be ignored. What is the precedent for i mean, i know all this is unprecedented, but you cant just go to court knowingly making up gobbledy gook. What is your degree of optimism that there will be some sanction for giuliani . We do have an antigobbledygook rule in all our courts, our State Courts and federal courts, nicole, and the reality is Rudy Giuliani took it to a level never seen before, in my estimation, and the consequences, of course, you can draw a straight line between what he was saying in court here in pennsylvania, what he was saying on the stump and ultimately what happened on the steps of our capitol and inside the capitol on January 6th. We appealed to the proper disciplinary board in new York State who oversee Rudy Giulianis license to simply say, dont look the other way. Make sure that there are consequences for this type of conduct. We do not allow this in our courts here in pennsylvania or in our federal courts, and there must be consequences. Part of the reason why the Big Lie has been able to take hold with some is because theyve been able to use the institutions of our democracy to perpetuate those untruths, including our courts. We have rules against that, and those rules need to be applied to Rudy Giuliani as well as the others that weve sought sanctions from. When you look at the national picture, the Big Lie has done more in a shorter amount of time to push through republican agenda than really anything that i can think of. 47 states are looking at close to 400 Voter Suppression laws to solve a problem that is nonexistent. There is not widespread Voter Fraud that needs a legislative solution. Its a crime and we have a criminal Justice System that catches and prosecutes anyone that happens to do that and as far as what weve seen, most of those people happen to be people that cast illegal votes for Donald Trump. So i wonder when you sort of step back and i know this isnt your day job, but when you look at the national picture, do you feel like the Big Lie is winning or the people protecting the democracy are winning . I think the people protecting our democracy certainly are winning and have won as a result of the fact that Donald Trump was not able to cling to power, but make no mistake, so much damage has been done. I mean, lets examine the record, as you correctly noted, here in pennsylvania. We looked into allegations of Voter Fraud. We and our Law Enforcement partners. There was no widespread Voter Fraud. We found three examples of Voter Fraud andall three cases, they were trying to cast an extra ballot for Donald Trump. Yet all of the major candidates for the united States Senate and the governorship here in pennsylvania on the republican Side Cant come together and acknowledge the simple truth that there was no widespread Voter Fraud, that Joe Biden won this election, and they cant condemn the Big Lie, mainly because the republican party has been hijacked by Donald Trump. They are afraid of him. They cant win a primary without him, and i dont think they can win many general elections with him. He is toxic, not just to our democracy but to the republican party. Thats whats playing out. Now, while all that political stuff plays out, we want to make sure that the lawyers who engaged in this unethical practice, unethical conduct, and who tried to undermine our democracy through the use of the courts, that they are held accountable in this process as well. That cant be ignored. What, when you look at the the Real Focus On Election Officials and people that have your job and people that serve as secretaries of state, what is, in your view, the most egregious sort of lasting damage . I mean, we talk about Death Threats now. It doesnt even lead the news anymore. But i remember when gabriel sterling, an Election Official in georgia, came out and said, someones going to get shot. We all took notice and we broke into our coverage and covered that. Youve now got a fake audit where theyre looking for bamboo by a company called cyberninjas. He has in his hands Maricopa County ballots. Where have we lost the thread on just how scary and dangerous this is . Its super scary and dangerous, and really, we have to salute the heroes of this election cycle, the poll workers, republicans and democrats, people like Al Schmidt in philadelphia and Katie Hobbes in arizona, youre talking about Maricopa County. I mean, really some Justin Benson in michigan. Just some incredible leaders who are secretaries of state and of course many attorneys general and governors as well who made sure that the Rule Of Law held in these states. But real damage has been done here. I mean, the fact that people question the integrity of this process that is run by our neighbors, that has been secure and safe and sound, where theres no evidence that anything was stolen the way Donald Trump suggests, thats a real detriment to our democracy. But yet, look, i voted today in our municipal primary here in pennsylvania. Yet, these Great Americans Come Back and work the polls and make sure that peoples voices have been heard and we are bigger than Donald Trump. We are bigger than the Big Lie. It is certainly infecting our Democracy And Poisoning the republican party right now, but were bigger than that, and we will overcome this. The best way to overcome it, though, is to have accountability in our system for the lawyers who perpetuated the Big Lie, for the politicians who enabled that, and to make sure that there is an honest conversation about what happened in these courtrooms in pennsylvania and what happened on January 6th at the capitol and the connection between the two. Theres a direct Causal Connection between the two. It must be explored and people must be held accountable. Well, i appreciate your optimism on a day like today when were covering Kevin Mccarthy blowing up the bipartisan commission. We will continue to call on you, pennsylvanias Attorney General, Josh Shapiro, thank you for spending some time with us today. We have breaking news from capitol hill. We reported at the top of the previous hour that House Republican Leader Kevin Mccarthy today came out against the creation of a commission to investigate the capitol insurrection. Now, weve gotten word that House Republican Leadership is urging members to vote no when the commission comes up for a vote tomorrow. Lets bring into our conversation, garrett haake. Is Steve Scalise whipping votes against investigating the deadly insurrection . Reporter he is, and this is a change from this morning, even after Kevin Mccarthy came out against this commission. As of this morning, this was Kevin Mccarthys opinion. He put out his statement saying that he was opposed to this and that he would be voting no, and our team checked in with the Whips Office and they said essentially they were staying out of this, they werent going to whip members either way. Now, about 24 hours, we believe, from this vote taking place, House Republican Leadership have changed their tune and Steve Scalise, the gop whip, is now advising members they should vote no on this. The horse may have already left the barn on this. House members have pretty strong opinions one way or the other but it is interesting to go through this memo that scalises office sent to house republicans for their reasons of posing this. They say john, the ranking republican member, who helped negotiate this deal, did a fine job, but that the scope is too narrow and that it only focuses on January 6th. It doesnt include things like the congressional Baseball Practice Shooting from 2017. Well, republicans were in control of the house, the senate, and the White House in 2017. They were interested in investigating the baseball shooting further, they could ve done it at any time in the next 18 months in which they were still in control. It also talks about a concern that the investigation or commission, rather, could somehow interfere with the ongoing criminal investigations that are taking place, primarily here in d. C. , but also across the country related to the capitol insurrection. Its not entirely clear to me whos not a lawyer or a Law Enforcement expert that that argument holds very much water either, so a significant change in position from House Republican Leadership, although i guess we should say probably not a surprising one here, given everything we talked about last week, their desire to be done talking about January 6th essentially by any means necessary. Two followup questions for you. Do we know if elise stefanik, mr. Scalise, or mr. Kevin mccarthy heard from Donald Trump today . Reporter we do not know the answer to that question, although it is a worthy one that i will try to report further. Do we know if the Justice Department new management of Attorney General garland Attorney General monaco have expressed any concern about the existence of a 9 11 Style Commission interfering with their criminal proceedings . I certainly have not heard that. The omd advising the White House in a statement saying they should not the omb, excuse me. That the White Houses official statement on this is that this commission should go forward. So if there was concern within the Justice Department, it did not make it up the chain to the president or anywhere else in the administration that i have heard. Garrett haake, thank you so much for bringing us this story. Were really grateful for to you. When we return, another live report from telaviv as the Middle East braces for another night of violence. Nce. Just get a quote at libertymutual. Com. Really . Ill check that out. Oh yeah. I think i might get a quote. Not again aah, come on rice. Do your thing. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. To support local restaurants, weve been to every city. Including Little Rock and even worcester. And Tonight. Ill be eating the Chicken Quesadilla from. Tonys tex mex. In. Katy. Doorbell Giggle do ya think they bought it . Oh yeah. 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Palestinians are celebrating the most minor of their victories. They got the israelis to push back, and now they are coming back on the streets. So it is a fluid, dynamic that has played out quite a bit in the West Bank. Nbcs chief foreign correspondent Richle Engel this morning in the West Bank on the intensifying violence in the Middle East. Hundreds of demonstrators took to the streets in solidarity with hamas and the people of gaza as protests erupt across the country as well, including dearborn, michigan. The site of a Visit Today by President Biden who was there to sell his Jobs Plan. The president is coming under increasing pressure to take a stronger chance after his support for a ceasefire in a call with the israeli Prime Minister has so far largely been ignored. Overnight israel continued its efforts firing 110 Air Strikes into gaza. 13 israelis and more than 212 palestinians, including 61 children have died since the latest flairup began last week. Joining us live, erin who has extensively covered the violence in the Middle East. Such a disconnect. Obviously our president , our Secretary Of State still talking about a ceasefire. But what you are and richard are reporting on the ground looks like anything but. The violence continuing. In the last few minutes we heard a series of booms. We have calls out to the israeli military to figure out what those were, if they were a Rocket Fire or anything else coming from the way of gaza. We also heard from the israeli Prime Minister saying that at this point he has no plans for a ceasefire. He plans to continue this operation for as long as necessary, and we saw Rocket Fire continue from gaza into israel throughout the day, resulting in casualties, some two foreign nationals were killed in an israeli settlement to the south of israel. And Tonight we are hearing from our sources in gaza that the aerial bombardment continues, this time to the south of gaza. Previous Air Strikes have been concentrated to the north resulting in over 200 palestinians killed. Some over 240,000 displaced. This has shifted to the south of gaza. So the violence showing no signs of slowing down at this point. And i wonder, you know, i want to read the Secretary Of States comments today. He said, our goal remains to bring the current cycle of violence to an end as quickly as possible and then bring the parties back to the work of building lasting stability, which is palestinian and israeli people and people everywhere deserve. What is happening that we dont see . Because obviously our Secretary Of State knows that were so far were in the throws of this current cycle of violence. What are you hearing is happening behind the scenes, if anything . Well, an intensive, diplomatic effort is underway to resolve this conflict. Of course the united states does not directly negotiate with hamas, considered a terrorist negotiation. Those negotiations are being conducted with the egyptians. There is intensive efforts underway. President biden expressing his support for a ceasefire. But stopping short of calling for a ceasefire, as many within his own party would like him to do. Many other governments around the world would also like to see happen, certainly many Human Rights Organizations as well as the Death Toll continues to rise there in gaza. Nbc in telaviv for us. Thank you so much for spending some time with us today. Were really grateful. And thank you to All Of You for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. Were grateful. The beat with Ari Melber starts right after this. Stay where you are. Fter this. Stay where you are because it works. And so do i. Hydration beyond the hype. Keeping your Oysters Business growing hydration beyond the hype. Has you swamped. You need to hire. I need indeed indeed you do. 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