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Tourists to you . Come on. We knew the gop would try to rewrite history. We just didnt know it would be this soon. Ill talk to former Top Trump white House Official who accepts the Election Results. My conversation with her is ahead. Plus many of us have seen this haunting video, Congresswoman Jayapal hiding. That was on January 6. Whats her message to republicans who want to Move On. Ill ask her. Israeli Palestinian Conflict shows no signs of letting up. What do Jewish Americans think of the Power Imbalance there . Jeff bezos is rich enough to buy a yacht for his yacht. How much power does his cash give him . My interview with author brad stone. Good evening, gaslighting is an i tempt to make one question ones own memory, perception and judgment. To make someone think they might be crazy for having ever thought otherwise. Let me begin tonight by asking you this what do you remember about what happened in Nations Capital on January 6 . While a lot of us predicted republicans would try to rewrite the history to some extent of what happened that day, what we didnt expect or i didnt was it would be so soon and brazen. Censored and covered up, as a result the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. It was Trump Supporters who lost their lives that day, not Trump Supporters who were taking the lives of others. There was no insurrection, to call it an insurrection is a boldfaced lie. Watching the footage of those who entered the capital and walked through the hall, showed people in an orderly fashion, staying behind the ropes taking videos and pictures. If you didnt know the Tv Footage was from January 6th, you would think it was a normal tourist visit. Wait a minute, congressman, is that you in this picture with your colleagues trying to barricade the door of the House Chamber against normal tourist visitors, is that what you always do when Tour Group comes through . Really . If they were normal tourists, would i have to warn you this video may be too graphic for some viewers . It shows a Capitol Police Officer being assaulted by rioters as he was crushed in a doorway. Does that look normal . Does it look normal when tourists smash the front windows of the capitol to get in . There was nothing normal about January 6. Those people were not tourists. Any response thats not Shock Or Anger or outrage is not normal, its likely gaslighting, Propaganda Or Fealty to leader Donald Trump. Nothing normal about stripping the republican leader from his position because she doesnt boost the former president. This morning, Liz Cheney warned that history could repeat itself. Are you suggesting that January 6 could happen again or maybe something worse . I think theres no question. You know, weve now seen the consequences. Weve seen how far the president , President Trump was willing to go. The lawmaker who replaced her in the house republican leadership was making it clear that damn the consequences, gop is Donald Trumps party, full stop. Were unified and talking about conservative principles. President trump is an important voice in the republican party. Were working as one team. Nearly four months after he left office, the republican party is now firmly back with Donald Trump. The ball is in his kous, as they say, next to the Tennis Pavilion Melania constructed in the middle of a global pandemic. The former president has purged his party. Got voter i. D. Laws he wants in key states he lost and Mcconnell And Nikki haley, his critics, saying they will back him in he runs again. Even though they criticized him in the past. This is now Donald Trumps party. Every other republican is just living in it. Tonight we kick off with a different kind of guest. We dont off have former Top Trump officials on the sho but were making an exception tonight. Its important that Alilsa Farrah has spoken out that Donald Trump won the election. But did work for the White House as Director Of Communications until resigned in december. Alyssa joins me now. Her final stint was White House strategic director for Commune Cases until she resigned in december. Thank you for coming on the show, i appreciate it, really do. I want to talk about you and your time with Donald Trump in a moment, but lets start with the republican party. You admirably opposed the Partys Attempt to overturn the election, quit the White House and called out the bigley. Yet today with the remoal of Liz Cheney, the top four leadership positions are held by people who voted to overturn the election. Mccarthy, scalise, palmer and stefanich. What has happened to your party . Your party has gotten more extreme, not less, since January 6. Mehdi, thanks for having me. Listen, the gop is careening Down A strategically unwise path and morally reprehensible one. Liz cheney did the right thing. Heres the problem the gop is facing, this isnt going away. Voters havent forgotten about January 6, the republican party has a numbers problem. We need addition, not subtraction, to win back the principles that we care about. But right now theres this decision we care more about loyalty to the former president , care more about trying to gloss over what happened with the election and January 6. And you know, my unsolicited advice to my fellow republicans would be the truth tends to come to the top. Its better to address it now, come to grips with what went wrong. Were going to be dealing with this going into midterms and 2024. Yes, indeed. And you have bluntly called the attackers on January 6 terrorists in an interview with politico. You have praised Liz Cheney as you said for speaking the truth about it. And yet you also say Elise Stefanik was the best candidate to replace a cheney. How can you support replacing Liz Cheney with someone who voted to overturn the election, even after January 6, who went on steve Bannons Podcast to support the audit of the arizona gop, who still disputes Joe Bidens victory. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it. Well, i would say this. She is somebody i know well. She is a very moderate republican member who votes her district. I dont know every detail of where she came down on different aspects of the election. Though i know if you asked her today she would say Joe Biden is the president. Thats a starting point. We have got to do better than that. We should have acknowledged it the day the race was called. But she is somebody i have confidence in to make good, Sound Policy For The American public. Policy aside, and youre right, she does have a more moderate Voting Record than Liz Cheney. But she still stands by her claim that one in four votes cast in fulton county, georgia, 140,000 votes, were fraudulent or illegitimate. How can anyone who holds that view be allowed near the leadership of your party. I assume you dont agree that one in four votes there were fraudulent . Oh, i certainly dont. Im not familiar with the comments of her, so i wouldnt want to comment on them further. But no, thats ridiculous. We have had we litigated this in states around the country, pennsylvania, georgia, arizona. Theyve been thrown out. Theres no there there, and the sooner my party accepts we just came up short. We didnt win over enough people. We lost women and older voters. We need to win them back on what were for, what we believe in. Yes. What im fearing is that people who actually have Policy Positions that they want to chair are getting pushed aside in party who its just pure adherence to supporting one man, who is not a conservative belief. The idea of just complete loyalty to one person over virtues is just fundamentally unconservative. But here we are. Well, lets talk about that one person. You have in past interviews admitted that Donald Trump lied to his supporters about the election. As i mentioned, you also bluntly and rightly called those Trump Support who attacked the capitol terrorists. Would you accept the logic of your own argument that Donald Trump is an inciter of terrorism . I think that i have spoken about that before. He played a role in inciting the violence on the capitol. I went on cnn shortly after and said in terms of the second impeachment, he shouldnt reit will date that day because the contacts are not on his side. There was a constitutional question about impeaching someone no longer in office. But we know what he said and we know how the people who stormed the capitol interpreted it. Many of them are on the record now and said this is what we thought the president wanted towels do. And its tragic. Part of why im on your program is i care about convey thing to people who maybe arent republican voters to know there is going to be a moment in this party where its not Donald Trump all the time. I hope my party comes around to the principles of what we stand for. There was a time where i was for Donald Trump. We created an economically inclusive economy, lowest unemployment for women, africanamericans and hispanics. But all of that is overshadowed by this myth that were continuing to perpetuate. I would note, Kristen Welker made a good point on your network earlier, trump is about to get out and start rallies again. So this isnt going away. This Isnt Something that you can just brush aside. So you say you are pride about having worked in the White House. A lot of people would say theres much to be ashamed of before January 6. They say its great that you spoke out and resigned in december. But what do you say to your critics who say it was too little, too late, why didnt you resign earlier, why didnt you quit when he told four nonwhite women in congress to go back to where they came from. Why didnt you quit when he lied about covid being like the flu or talked about putting disinfectant into peoples arms, why didnt you quit when he was separating children from their parents at the border . Well, my answer to that is governing is a lot different than campaigning. I never signed up to be on Donald Trumps campaign. I turned down the first time he ran. But once somebody is the president of the free world, i believe that people who are willing to and who are serious should step up and try to serve. And there were people in the White House who i knew reluctantly stayed when there were very hard things said, there were hard policies they saw enacted because they knew they could imagine naturally do better. Im not asking for a pat on the back, i managed to alienate people on the right and left, but i believe in service. Understood, but doesnt public service involve you also saying i Cant Work for a racist bully who tells black and brown women to go back to where they came from, how do you go back to work the next day and say im a senior official for a president who says racist things like that . As a brown woman, im lebanese and syrian, it is challenging. I remember counseling him, and while i keep my conversations ive had with the president private, counseling him publicly that the easiest thing you can do is condemn white supremacist. I repeatedly told him, lets just make this unequivocal, condemn it and Move On. But i would rather have people in the room willing to speak up and say those things. But i believed in about 90 of his agenda. I still didnt vote for Joe Biden. Do i think its probably better than hes in office . Absolutely. But i believe in republican principles. Were better on the economy and national defense. Listen, listen, i understand, i understand you believe in republican principles. I respect that. Low taxation, small government, family values. That wasnt trump. Trump was taking kids from the border. Trump was authoritarianism. Trump was telling black and brown people to go back where they came from. He was allowing about Hush Money Payments to stormy daniels. What is the reasoning you justified that . Let me give you just two quick answers there, which i was going to allude to. So i was with Vice President Pence during the family separation crisis, which was awful, it was terrible, it was inhumane. We did reverse it within our administration, but it was because people were willing to be in the room. I remember Secretary Azar who had a role in overseeing it and overturning that policy. If every person who disagreed with things the president did up and left and got their minute of putting out a right shouse statement, we would have had worse outcomes. But theres more i believed in. And the federal government, the presidency is bigger than any one man. As an arabamerican, it was a great moment to be in the Oval Office during the signing of the abraham accords. There are things we have to be proud of. But we need to live based on facts. We do, were out of time. But i have to ask, you said one question people would say is why did you help try to reelect him, if Donald Trump runs again in 2024, will you as a republican oppose his candidacy or say yeah, he did bad things on January 6, but if hes the candidate, i will support him. Will you oppose Donald Trump if hes the republican candidate in 2024 . Yes. I will not be supporting Donald Trump in 2024. Alyssa, thank you for being on the show tonight. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Thank you, mehdi. Coming up, Congresswoman Jayapal had to seek shelter on January 6. What does she make of the call by republicans to Move On . Plus, the israeli Palestinian Conflict is nothing new, but theres something different about this round of fighting. Why one lawmaker is saying palestinian Lives Matter. Thats ahead. Palestinian Lives Matter thats ahead Making A Fire by Foo Fighters the best part of stepping into the spotlight isnt the awards or the acclaim. The best part of stepping into the spotlight is helping others step into theirs. Its time to ignite im Making A Fire na na, Nananana Youve got the looks lets make lots of Money Youve got the brawn ive got the brains. With allstate, drivers who switched saved over 700 Click Or Call to switch are you tired of clean clothes that just dont smell clean . What if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks . Now they can Downy Unstopables inwash Scent Boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh way longer than detergent alone. 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For more on this, im joined by democratic congresswoman, chair of the progressive congress, pramila jayapal. We saw those terrifying images of you on January 6 as the rioters tried to take over congress. How do you respond to Gop Congressman likening those attackers to tourists . Mehdi, it is just insanity that they refuse to accept what happened on January 6, and worse than that, are trying to rewrite history. We have to remember that Police Officers were killed on that day. Mike pence was caught he was chased down, people were trying to hang Mike Pence, calling for Mike Pence to be hanged, trying to kill nancy pelosi. And hundreds of rioters have been charged already with federal crimes for what happened January 6. And so my belief is that these republicans who refuse to accept what happened on January 6, or who continue to, you know, try to rewrite history, are actually a serious national Security Threat to our democracy. Because if we dont get to the bottom of what happened on January 6, if we dont hold accountable those who are involved, then our democracy will suffer. And that is a very, very serious thing. Liz cheney this morning, i heard you talk about this in your opening, this could happen again. And i think for those who were trapped in the capitol, and you showed that shot of me there, it isnt just the personal trauma that we deal with. Its the fact that we understand how deeply fragile this democracy is, and how close we came on January 6 to losing it. So congresswoman, given all that, when you see Joe Biden meeting this week with republicans, including kevin mccarthy, who voted to overturn the election, when Joe Biden meets with them to search for a Quote Unquote Bipartisan Solution on infrastructure, how do you work with a party that doesnt accept the legitimacy of the president ial Election Result . I hear the word bipartisan these days and i feel like im losing my mind. How do you do deals who deny Election Results . Well, we cant. I mean, i think its been extremely hard for us, particularly in the house. It is impossible really to work with the vast majority of republicans on the other side, because they wont admit what is true. They have become the vast majority of them have become a oneman cult. And the only thing thats required to be a member of the republican party is to pledge feelty to Donald Trump. And Liz Cheney was kicked out of leadership because she didnt do that. So i have no Faith Whatsoever that republicans are going to suddenly see the light and come along and come up with a bipartisan deal. And remember that its not just kevin mccarthy. Mitch mcconnell said 100 of his focus was on stopping the biden agenda. So the idea that were going the find a bipartisan deal and be able to meet the kind of once in a Generation Investment that Joe Biden has laid out, and that we are pushing that and more, is inconvooefable. So what i have said to the White House, if they want to come along, they have to do it now. And i just have very little faith thats going to happen. I think we should move forward with a big, bold package, get this done and move the country. Im with you when it comes to lacking faith in any kind of bipartisan solution. Staying on the topic of safety, congresswoman. Your colleague, Alexandria Ocasiocortez was harassed by margorie Taylor Greene. Its not the first time that greene has gone off to aoc. Theres a video of her in 2019 when she was a private citizen. Have a watch. Stop locking your door and come out and face the american citizens that you serve. If you want to be a big girl, you need to get rid of your diaper and come out and talk to the american citizens instead of us having to use a little flap. Nancy pelosi is saying she thinks this will require an ethics investigation. Margie Taylor Green had a photo removed by facebook when she was holding a gun next to the squad and, oc. Is this unprecedented to have members in fear of their lives from another member of congress . I feel shes done enough for expulsion. Ive signed on to that resolution to expel her from congress. But i want to be clear about something. It isnt just Alexandria Ocasiocortez, its cori bush, its eric swalwell. I mean, there are numerous members that are being harassed by margorie Taylor Greene, and kevin mccarthy, the leader of the republican party, and Steve Scalise and Elise Stefanik are responsible for letting that continue. They kicked Justin Amash you have of his committees for criticizing trump, and they have refused to take any action against margorie Taylor Greene. No action. So they are, you know, going along with this, and in fact, encouraging it, because shes raising a lot of money and theyre hoping shes going to continue to raise money for them. Congresswoman, 30 seconds left. I have to ask you, the situation in gaza. This week, progressive democrats, we see them be more critical of israel in my lifetime. Are things changing in the Democratic Party on Israel And Palestine . Only 30 seconds left. I want your take. Israels behavior has gotten to outrageous with the annexations. Human rights abuses. It is starting to change, and i believe Joe Biden needs to be far stronger than he has been so far. This is a Human Rights crisis, and we need to address it. Congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you for being with us this evening. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, the problem with how some people talk about the growing israeli Palestinian Conflict. Its now at jews versus muslims. So were getting ready for the 60second round. Im getting my timer ready. Thats next. But first, richard has the headlines. A very good sunday to you. Some of the stories were watching. 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Its not a line you hear very often, if at all from members of congress in this country. You might think why is that even controversial . Of course palestinian Lives Matters, just as israeli Lives Matter. All Lives Matter. Israelis have been suffer thing past week, living under the terror of Rocket Attacks and air raids. Ten israelis have been killed by Rocket Fire in this Count Round of violence, and we should condemn hamas for that. All Lives Matter. But the point of the phrase black Lives Matter isnt to suggest, as you know, that white lives dont matter. Its that black people are disproportionately the victims of suffering right now. And thats the case in occupied territories right now, with the phrase palestinian Lives Matter, because the disproportional si of violence is against the palestinians. In the 20082009 gaza war, three israeli civilians were killed. At least 926 palestinians were killed. In 2012, four israeli civilians were killed, 101 Palestinian Civilians were killed during that conflict in 2014. U. N. Figures show six israeli civilians died in that conflict. 1,462 Palestinian Civilians were killed in the same conflict. The past week, the numbers for civilians are less year, but at least 188 palestinians in total, inclouding 55 children, have been gilled in gaza compared to 10 israelis. All of these deaths are tragic. But the disparity in numbers really shouldnt surprise us. One side the occupier and the other side is occupied. One side has some of the most powerful high Tech Weaponry on plan et earth. And the other side just doesnt. More and more members of congress, members of the public in this country are recognizing this Power Imbalance, including Jewish Americans. Joining me now is president of jstreet, a group for pro israel, pro peace americans. Jeremy, thank you for joining me on the show. We heard yesterday from senator robert menendez, who has been pro israeli for many years, saying hes deeply troubled by the military actions there. There appears to be a Sea Change in how democrats are talking about this. Listen to these house democrats wednesday. Listen. How many palestinians have to die for their lives to matter . Life under apartheid strips palestinians of their human dignity. Palestinians are being told the same thing as black folks in america, there is no acceptable form of resistance. The united states must acknowledge its role in the injustice and Human Rights violations of palestinians. This is not able both sides. This is about an imbalance of power. That was on thursday. When you founded jstreet, did you efficient think you would hear so many democrats speaking out so forcefully against the israeli occupation, against Israeli Military actions . Well, i actually did, because what we knew is that these are the sentiments people held behind closed doors. What we knew was that we gave some political space to people to actually talk about what american policies should be and what was both morally right and strategically right, that you would begin to hear these kinds of statements in a much more balanced american policy would emerge. So its in the a surprise to me that these are finally coming out. Im just glad to see it. Its take an long time to get to this point. Jeremy, we had an open letter from jewish members of congress, urging Joe Biden to engage further on the issue. And at the same time, over the i think it was last weekend, the former israeli ambassador to the u. S. Gave an interview which he suggested israel should prioritize the passionate and unequivocal support from Evangelical Christians over that of Jewish Americans who he said are disproportionately among our critics. What do you make of that . Well, im proud to be part of the disproportionate part of the americanjewish community that is very critical of the underlying policies oh of the government of israel when it comes to its treatment of the palestinians who live in the territory that israel is occupying. This occupation is now 54 years old. It is strategically terrible for the state of israel. But its also morally reprehensible and runs counter to not only democratic principles, but i would say to jewish values to treat other people the way you wouldnt want to be treated yourselves. Glad to see this large number of jewish congress members speaking out. You may have seen a majority of the democrats in the senate called for an immediate cease sire. So were seeing a Sea Change in the overwhelming bulk of the Democratic Party. So were seeing that in the overwhelming bulk of the Democratic Party, but were not seeing it in the White House. You told The New York Times this week the benign neglect is not a policy option. And yet thats what Joe Biden is being accused of. Thats what you suggest hes been doing. What should Joe Biden be doing . And why do you think hes found himself in this onesided, some might argue out of touch, dare i say leading from behind position on the conflict. The first thing we need to do is make this a senior level high priority. Its way past time for this administration to appoint somebody to be in charge on this issue. Not saying that you need to launch Peace Talks or Peace Conference Tomorrow and resolve the whole conflict. But to have nobody in charge, and to have delayed in Making Appointments and not follow through on specific policies that needed to be implemented, if not on day one, at least in the first 100 days, the administration has not moved with the Speed And Decisiveness that it needed to. We need a senior Level Envoy or diplomat in charge of policy on this issue asap. They need to lead the way, not follow from behind towards an immediate ceasefire. And then we need to get to work to address the specific underlying root causes that cause us to be in these cycles of violence. Its horrific, mehdi, to see the years after years, 10, 12, 14, now 21 where you have Hundreds Times Thousands of people dying over and over and over again. Were not addressing the reason why this happens, which is we have to find a way for palestinian people to have Freedom And Selfdetermination in the land where they and their families have lived for generations. Indeed we do. Jeremy, well have to leave it there. Thank you for joining us this evidence aing. Appreciate it. Thank you, mehdi. Coming up, imagine being so rich that even your yacht has a yacht. Thats the reality for Jeff Bezos. So what political weight does he pull with all that cash of his . Thats next. And in the next hour, David Hogg joins Joshua Johnson on The Week to discuss how to prevent Gun Violence in america. And exploration of the shooting of the parkland shooting. 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Lets discuss all this with brad, from bloomberg news, author of amazon unbound, Jeff Bezos and the invention of a global empire. Brad, thank you for coming on the show. Congratulations on the new book. You say that amazon is getting perilously goes to invisible. What is to stop a person with as much money as Jeff Bezos from controlling our democracy, from being invincible when it comes to our political system holding him to account . Well, the reason i said that, the reason i wrote that is because i looked at the scales that amazon and Jeff Bezos had been through, the blundering of the hq2 search, the antitrust investigations, and they hadnt missed a step, particularly during the pandemic. And that kind of Wealth And Power does confer on Jeff Bezos and his colleagues some influence. Maria cantwell, the senator from washington, proposed legislation to redo Nasas Contract on mars exploration. The federal government is looking at amazon right now, the Wealth And Target makes it a target. Amazon is being investigated by several entities. So hes got influence, amazon is a huge lobbyist. 18 Million in 2020. But it also makes it more of a target. Brad, we live in a country where billionaires largely are celebrated where were told by a lot of our political leaders to celebrate american corporate success stories. Do you believe the world is better off with amazon as it currently exists in it . And i wonder what independent Book Sellers might stay in answer to that question, what amazon employees who are pushing to unionize. Mehdi, its the animated question of my book, is the world better off with bezos and amazon in it . Look, there are arguments on both sides. On the one side, this company created 1. 6 trillion in market value, mostly for investor and for Jeff Bezos himself in some small part. Its enabled a lot of convenience, its ushered in products like alexa into the world. At the same time, its changed the nature of work, you know, added a fair amount of chaos to our global economies, increased the number of accents on highways and our roads as amazon delivers more of its packages. So where i come out on the ledger for amazon, and probably has been beneficial, but there are certainly things it can do and should be doing to clean up its act as it gets ever more powerful. I think a lot of people who lived through the pandemic with amazon regardless of politics will say amazon helped them. Jeff bezos has announced he will be stepping Down As ceo before The End of the year, though he will play some role as the companys executive chairman. What will a post Bezos Amazon look like . Will it be a post Bezos Amazon . Thats the right question, mehdi. I dont see him fully untangling right away. He says hes going to work on new projecs as executive chairman. I go back to that antitrust subcommittee last summer where Jeff Bezos was Sit Thing on zoom alongside Mark Zuckerberg and tim cook. He doesnt want to be there, he doesnt want to be the face of amazon when it comes to washington antitrust scrutiny. But i do think Jeff Bezos will be the loudest voice in the conference room. So in the near term, things arent going to change, at least until that yacht is ready and bezos is spending more of his time sailing the high saes. Yachts plural. One of the things about your book is you managed to track down the person who provided The Voice for alexa through canvassing The Voice active community. She had recorded radio ads. Did you get to speak to alexa herself . I had to do a fair amount of sleuthing. Her name is nina rollie. She lives in bolder. I did all my Due Diligence in figuring out it was her. I did give her a call. She couldnt talk to me. But it was unmistakable. That voice is distinctive. But no, i did not talk to her at length. I wonder if she asked alexa to hang up on you. Brad Stone Author of amazon unbound, Jeff Bezos and the invention of a global empire. Thank you for your time. Congratulations on the book. Thanks, mehdi. Thank you all for watching the show tonight. Well be right back here next sunday 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Catch me monday through thursday at 7 00 p. M. Eastern on The Choice on peacock. But now its time to turn it over to Joshua Johnson. Thank you very much. And hello to you. We are seeing the latest round of heavy Israeli Air strikes on Gaza City. After the u. N. Secretarygeneral called for an immediate ceasefire. What, if anything, can Joe Biden do to ease the tensions . The republican party can split into two one probably mucn the other. How would that go . Well consider if the gop might go in the way of the wig party. Plus, march for our lives core founder David Hogg is here. It will talk about his activism against Gun Violence and a new documentary about the students in portland. From nbc News World Headquarters in new york, im Joshua Johnson welcome to The Week. Will the violence continue today between israel and hamas. They launched a series of early warning airstrikes on Gaza City. Today the Israeli Defense Forces reportedly hit more than 90 targets

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