Year after he lost bigly to now president Joe Biden. Arizona, interesting things are happening there. You know about that. And we just had a great ruling, actually the senate, State Senate of arizona had a great ruling. Lets see what they find. Wouldnt be surprised if they found thousands and thousands and thousands of votes. Were going to watch that closely. After that well watch Pennsylvania And Georgia and you can watch michigan and wisconsin. Watching New Hampshire, found a lot of votes up in New Hampshire just now, just saw that. Cover band was like can we start playing 80s Pop Songs now . Its sad, isnt it . Frankly embarrassing for someone who once held title of president of the united states. But that rather undignified figure, fading and decrepit though he is, is still supported by a vast swath of the Republican Party. And those republicans are waging war on congresswoman Liz Cheney, third ranking house republican. For now at least. Shes faced huge backlash from her party for doing what she did in tweet, aligning herself with democracy and saying whats true, the 2020 president ial election was not stolen and refusing to bow down to the Big Lie. Cheney was responding to trumps latest wannabe president ial statement, read like one of his old tweets with Mast Head on top. Called the free and fair election itself a Big Lie. Just as he calls real press fake news, very orwellian, very trump. Truth is Donald Trump is declining in interest and performance. Hes been canceled from the White House and twitter. Only stage that we see him on lately is one he owns. This is the real trump, The One he desperately never wanted you to see. Reclusive mad king trying to relive the halcyon days of his presidency, now even outshined by his own conspiracy theories. As Big Lie justified taxpayer funded new audits and new Voter Restrictions without him even being in office. The once grand old party remains obsequiously loyal to. Question is why, David Plouffe and Tim Miller join me now. Thank you for being here. Play another, Mitt Romney, 2012 president ial nominee, getting booed in his own Home State of utah at gop convention. Take a listen. You know me as a person who says what he thinks and i dont hide the fact i wasnt a fan of last president s character issues. And also no fan [ boos ] arent you embarrassed . Listen, tim, im not a fan of Mitt Romney, ill be honest, not a fan. But he has a dignity thats comports himself like a normal president ial figure, looks and sounds like, a certain dignity as a man. Donald trump is ridiculous, he looks like hes smoking a cigarette and being like when i was a high school senior, i was captain of the football team. Hes that guy at the party, yet the republicans are bowing to him like hes king. I dont get it, do you . I sort of get it. That was quite the video, david was nicer to romney in 2012 than the republican audience in utah. I was in South Carolina and went to Mike Pences very low key speech is there, first Comeback Speech and went to events to try to answer the question what is the reason for this. Answer is that the republican base is desperate to take uhoh, just lost him. Going to go to plouffe. I want to hear the rest of that sentence, going to fix tims audio, good old interwebs, not easy to work with. David, you did run against Mitt Romney. You know even somebody like mitt, willing to say a lot of bizarre things, like ed if i really was from mexico, might get votes. They are willing to lower themselves, part of the base has need for guttural politics. The but i wonder at this point, since Donald Trump is pathetic, Cant Attack them on twitter or really hurt them, do you understand why as matter of politics republicans are genuflecting towards him . I am puzzled, joy, only nine years, less than since Mitt Romney was republican nominee, and being booed at state party convention, and the Carnival Barker Cult leader, diminished as he may be at maralago has the Republican Party captive. Its cowardice so many seem fearful, afraid of immigrants, masks or some of vaccines. But above all afraid of getting on Donald Trumps bad side. And none of these people. Ive met a lot of people who sought politics, didnt go in to pay all political capital at knees of one leader. Theres issues they care about, tended to believe in the constitution. Got there because they won their election, and theyve thrown all of that aside. My question is is this going to change . Certainly dont think its going to change through 22. I think the successful republican candidates in contested primaries will be those that embrace the Big Lie, that suggest that covid was created by chinese, that Attack Dr. Fauci. Thats where all the energy is, but not where vast majority of republican voters are, but thats what unites most republicans with Cheney And Romney notable exceptions, they dont want to do anything to get on the wrong side of Donald Trump, his ridiculous sons and trumps base. Tim, youre back, finish your sentence. Went to former Vice President Mike Pences event, then . County Republican Events in South Carolina, and if you think Donald Trump sounded ridiculous, man named Len Wood is running down there, even more absurd, inauguration didnt happen, Joe Biden only got 2 , things told me Joe Biden wasnt inaugurated because the Sun Wasnt over his head and hes going to get quarter of the vote among the republican regulars in South Carolina. The party is desperate for people to tell them what they want to hear, bring the liberals down a peg, and thats what Donald Trump plays into that Mitt Romney refuses to, god bless him. Mitt romney is still trying to at least try to speak to underlying principles and believes and not going to tell people what they want to hear. But its putting them on the wrong side of very angry, aggrieved and delusional frankly republican base. Susan collins couldnt seen admit who she voted for. Just got elected, got six more years. Another video, Michael Flynn can recite the Qanon Pledge but not the pledge pledge. Take a listen. Listen, im going to say the pledge of allegiance, youre going to say it with me. I want you to hear, not just listen, hear every single word of the pledge of allegiance. Thats our pledge to each other and this country. Put your hand over your heart. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. Individual and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible. With Liberty And Justice for all, god bless you. David, you lived through the tea party. How much is extension of that Movement Ground into the bones of the party, and then i have question for tim. Great question. Yeah. Did not originate with Donald Trump, seeds were there, below and above ground. He was himself involved in the birther controversy. But now this has been normalized. And what really concerns me is do we think in 2022 republicans who might lose close House And Senate elections are going to concede and go quietly into the night . I highly doubt it. We have to look ahead to 24 too. To tims point, low bar, until more republican leaders saying at very least that winners of elections win elections and were going to concede as we normally have been. Our democracy is in grave danger, one of the gravest dangers our country has faced. All the Voter Suppression laws making it harder to register and vote, harder to vote absentee, antidemocratic. But big concern they want to take control from elections officials and voters and hand it over to republicans so they can stay in control. Thats the threat. When romney gets booted and Liz Cheney may be out end of the week, two people on island, others are increasingly comfortable embracing this. That was going to be my question to you, i get the sense for regular order republicans, Kevin Mccarthy type, this is gotv. Not that they dont think that Joe Biden is president and theres a fake Green Screen where were pretending and really Donald Trump is, i doubt that Kevin Mccarthy is that stupid but they think their voters wont turn up and vote unless theyre guaranteed to win, unless theyre guaranteed black folks cant vote, only they and their friends get to vote, unless they hear from people like Kevin Mccarthy we worship you Donald Trump, youre really president , right . How much is gotv . Thats exactly right. Before i answer it, that Michael Flynn video was at a Len Wood event, guy i was talking about. I wrote about this for bulwark. He was Donald Trumps top national security adviser. So scary. Quarter of the House Caucus believes this stuff, plurality is about half, theyre afraid, david and your point is right, theyre afraid, want the voters to turn out, say whatever they need to do in order to do that and go along with whatever they need to go along with up to and including voting to overturn elections in order to do it. Thats how things break down. But really quick, after 2022, those numbers are going to change and true believer numbers are going up and rest are going down. Youre right. And everyone needs to read your column, question for democrats is what is more powerful, checks or Bananarama Cuckoo Bird stuff. Workingclass voters, better be checks because were in trouble if they get power again. David and tim, thank you very much. Still ahead on the reid out, andrew brown jr. Is laid to rest as family demands answers how he was killed. Two members of the Chauvin Prosecution Team join us. Still have lots of questions about Trial And Sentencing including why his long history of dangerous Behavior Cant come up. Medical experts predict the u. S. Will never achieve Herd Immunity, due in part to republican Vaccine Hesitancy. Ill have a word or two for certain Fox News Host all worked up about something or other, but im not sure it has anything to do with race, right . Right . The reid out continues after this. Es after this my grandfather was born in a shack in pennsylvania, his father was a miner, they were immigrants from italy and somewhere along the way that man changed his name and transformed himself into a successful midcentury american man. He had a whole life that i didnt know anything about. He was just my beloved grandpa. Bring your Family History to life like never before. Get started for free at ancestry. 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Some people says youll get over it. You never get over it. You go on, you never get over it. Im mad, outraged it happened again to somebody else. Bishop William Barber also spoke and Bakari Sellers and ben crump, lawyers for the brown family. Because Andrew Cannot make the plea for due process, it is up to us to make the plea for due process. For black folk and white folk, democrats and republicans all watching today, they all need to know were tired of the cycle of grief that comes along with being black in this country. Andrew was a black man trying to make it in a society where black men are born in danger. But i want you to be comfort that he was a man. A father of seven, nephew, cousin, son, brother, grand grandson, he was a man joining me now, Reverend Al Sharpton, rev, as i think about the funeral, i think about black public grief and going all the way back to emmett till, weve had to display our grief to the world in order to have our humanity acknowledged. At certain point do you feel like these displays of grief are moving laws, are moving policy . Or are they more catharsis for the family . Certainly a catharsis for the family and its needed because theres real pain. Question is why we keep going through these expressions of grief without seeing legislation and policies changing what were grieving about. So many of us are talking about were tired of displays of black pain, but we need to talk about why we are feeling that pain and that is because we are not instituting and executing and enforcing laws that would remove what the pain is. When you count in the last year less than a year from George Floyd was lynched by knee, any number of cases all way to today where we bury another person killed by police. Wright to arbery to wright, some even after the conviction of chauvin. Rather than analyze black grief, analyze what is causing the grievance. And thing is, i moved back to New York, brooklyn in 1988, youve been on this message about police brutality, racial profiling through president after president after president , watched president of the united States Barack Obama grieve and sing Amazing Grace after the massacre in charleston. What does it take to go from grief to getting something done . There must be strong federal law that gives oversight over state laws. Thats why its so important we have a strong George Floyd justice in Policing Act passed by this senate thats already passed the house. We sat in the back of the bus for decades until there was a civil Rights Act of 64. We couldnt vote until there was a voting Rights Act of 65. So when you came to New York in 88, i was fighting. I was black in 88, im black in 21 and we still dont have a law that holds Police Accountable that disproportionately kills blacks, unarmed blacks. Look how much we had to fight for antilynching laws, its lifetime work. Thank you for being here. Joining me, congresswoman ilan omar, this is your district. In your district had the George Floyd case, then the young man, Daunte Wright, also killed in your district, happening on top of the Derek Chauvin trial. Ask you same question, dealing with compounded moments of black grief, how do you deal with that as a Policy Maker . And how can we deal with it better . Yeah, thats a really good question and one were all struggling with and continuing to deal with. There is a lot of emotional exhaustion that many of us who are black lawmakers and black people in Public Service are experiencing because every single day you know that there are ways to transform the Justice System, the policing system, and you have to have conversation with people who want to turn a blind eye to the injustices that exhaust within our systems, who continue to insist this country is not a country that is racist, that our systems dont have racism embedded in them. And the sheer exhaustion that it takes for you to continue to plead for your Humanity And Dignity to recognized by your own colleagues is really a Stripping Process of Ones Decency really every single day. Yeah. I mean have a story in front of us, columbus police, running amok, overuse of force. Columbus officers now banned from using those methods of quote unquote nonlethal force. On and on. Youve introduced new legislation for this. Its like pingpong game. Could talk about 20 cities if we had time. You have a piece of legislation you would like to see go forward. Tell us what that is. As Reverend Al Sharpton was just expressing, it is really important for us to recognize that the criminal Justice System is not adequate to prosecute and investigate itself. Its been very evident whether we see off cases where doj is invited or fbi comes in to investigate, those are cases that grab national headlines, right, theyre not cases that many of us hear about in our own communities where there is never going to be justice for those families. So it is important for there to be a federal Oversight Board that does proactive investigations every single time a life is lost in the custody of Police Officers, every single time that there is bodily harm caused by the police, and to not just be where Family Members in the community pulling out into the streets demanding for oversight over the loss of their Loved Ones or injury that cost their Loved Ones, it is within the responsibility of an actual board that does these investigations proactively every single day. Do you have cosponsors, do you think it can pass and also get through the senate . Were hoping to push it to be part of the George Floyd justice in Policing Act negotiations. That my Colleague And Mentor Congresswoman Karen Bass is leading. Shes expressed interest in trying to bring it up as a next step because we know that the justice George Floyd justice in Policing Act is a transformative piece of legislation, but many of the cases weve seen with Daunte Wright and others show us there are further guardrails needed. In order for us to transform these systems, we have to have strong guardrails first. Ill have to have you back. Im out of time, i know youre working on issues in terms of refugees and resettlement, and i know that biden administration reversed course, maybe because they heard you say to do it. Congratulate you on that. Want you back for that. Its good what . Promises made, promises kept. All we hope for, promises are kept. Thats what good politics are about. Congresswoman ilhan omar, thanks for being here. Should Derek Chauvins long history of dangerous Police Work been brought up at his trial . Will it come up at sentencing . 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Joining me, Jerry Blackwell and steve slyker. I watched the trial every day i was able to, you did a great job of telling a story. I know youre not a prosecutor in normal life so call you mr. Blackwell. One Thing Wasnt included we found out, Derek Chauvin has been a menace before, has a violent history as Police Officer, choking a teenager for 17 minutes, leaning on him. Other use of force cases, 22 internal investigations. May i ask, number one, why that wasnt allowed to come in and will that be used as evidence he should get a harsher sentence . Answer the first time, we had to make a strategic decision whether to bring in other incidents. We saw the video and thought when the jurors were able to see that video, it would pierce their consciousness in, of and by itself. So we focused on what happened in the 9 29, and focus was to keep the main thing the main thing and not delve into other incidents to bring their own proof issues and so on. Trying to introduce those where the defense would be able to respond to them. Its hard enough to convict a Police Officer even with video of this sort. And we didnt want to leave any part where they could argue something other than the conduct that everybody could see, that George Floyd was subjected to. We made a decision to keep focus on mr. Chauvins conduct as it related to George Floyd and make that main thing, have the whole trial centered just on that. Going forward will you make the same decision in sentencing . Well in our sentencing, as you pointed out earlier, we pointed to features of the defense to give the judge to ability to give harsher sentence if he chooses. Attorney general is not out for revenge, wants accountability and fair sentence. This is not a revenge sentence. But focusing on the conduct at hand, a defendant sentenced before a judge, not st. Peter at Pearly Gate Experience where you examine your life. Were looking at conduct that occurred on the ground at the same time and features of the conduct that may make it more serious and give the possibility of higher sentence the presence of children go ahead. Stick with you. In the end you said whats the motive, pride. One of the most searing pieces of evidence in the trial was the face of Derek Chauvin, the blank look, even in the court. Contrast with officer mohamed nour, him at sentencing. I have owed the family an apology for a long time. I did write them a letter while in jail, now i apologize in person for taking the life of such a perfect person who was dear to them and so many others. I caused this tragedy and it is my burden. I wish though that i could relieve that burden others feel from the loss that i caused. I cannot and that is a troubling reality for me. One question to you mr. Schleicher, then mr. Blackwell, if theres no expression of remorse will it factor in and could it factor in for the other three officers who are going to go on trial in the murder . I dont think in terms of what happens in the other cases, i Cant Comment on those, matters that will be dealt with later this summer. As far as whether expression of remorse would assist the judge in determining the proper sentence here, thats certainly something a judge could find persuasive. Remorse or acknowledgment is something the community, family and whole system would find helpful. But we just dont know. We dont know his strategy or what Judge Cahill will find persuasive. Sentencing a defendant, deciding what number of years in prison to sentence a defendant for criminal conduct is the hardest thing that a judge does. And i do not envy the judge in this case having to make that decision because its very complicated. And theres a lot of implications for society. Mr. Blackwell, read things about you that are fascinating. Youre not a prosecutor, been oi Defense Attorney and worked on posthumous pardon for Max Mason, people lynched, six black Circus Workers accused of raping a Woman And Trial was held and he was sent to prison. What inspires you to get involved in these cases . You did this one for free and took time off your beekeeping to do it. Beekeeping is just alternative way for me to be stung doing the lawn. But Max Mason posthumous pardon, we knew we were coming up on the 100year anniversary of the tragedy in duluth, minnesota, people dont think of the Great White North as place where these tragedies took place. But one of the worst, 12,000 locals present for this in town of 100,000. Commemoration was coming up, i learned more about the story of Max Mason, the young Circus Worker from alabama, only person convicted of this fictitious rape of a white woman. 10,000 onlookers to those that murdered him, none were convicted of doing anything to anyone. And it was just a wrong that i felt needed to be righted, his name needed to be cleared. There was a stain frankly, hovering about the state that needed to be addressed also. Seemed to be worthwhile for me and my Law Firm to get involved in. Both of you members of a dream team. Jerry blackwell, steve schleicher, i dont know if you can do beekeeping with your partner in prosecution but let us know. Thank yall. Is reaching heard immunity out of the question . With so many americans turning a public Health Concern into a partisan issue . And few words about tv Hosts Obsession with race. Be right back. Th race. Be right back. It can do things no other oven can, like flip away. The Ninja Foodi Air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. People everywhere living with Type 2 Diabetes are waking up to whats possible with rybelsus®. You are my sunshine my only sunshine. Rybelsus® works differently than any other Diabetes Pill to lower Blood Sugar in all 3 of these ways. 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I mean when you recently went off on me for continuing to mask up Post Vaccine Jogging in crowded central park, you weirdly threw in attending harvard. Felt like dog whistle. Did you want to go and they reject you . And think they let the Race Lady in, Affirmative Action, ugh. I got into harvard, yale, Vassar And University of denver too because i had really high gpa and fantastic s. A. T. Scores, thats how Affirmative Action looks. Schools search for smart people from diverse backgrounds so theyre not as dry as the major Sports Leagues were before they desegregated. Maybe you didnt have great scores and needed Girlfriends Daddy to help you get into college, doesnt mean you dont have amazing pem in your life who love you. And you had fun at trinity after you were bought in right . What was the Dan White Society . You know what, moving on. Just because the cia rejected your application, i mean look, things turned out fine for you. Had a great career here at msnbc actually that didnt work out. Great on cnn though, until Jon Stewart humiliated but. But youre fine. Going great for you. Race thing, im not one who spools out over my neighborhood changing like a Segregationist Housewife from the 1950s. Thats you, tuckems. And not spouting Conspiracy Theory that white people will be replaced by democratic Party Conspiracy to replace them. Thats the tiki torch nazis, thats you. Reason i continue to mask up in crowded spaces is because i dont know how many people heard about the Court Case where your bosses said your show wasnt news. They listen to you like you are the news and i dont trust theyre taking precautions against covid rather than freaking out against a piece of cloth and busting into target to cough on the products like touting Measles Blankets with them. 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According to the New York times, there is widespread consensus among scientists and publichealth experts is that the herdimmunity threshold is not attainable, at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever. Because vaccination is proceeding too slowly for Herd Immunity to be within reach, anytime soon. As we know, Vaccine Hesitancy is deeply rooted in a persons politics. Among those unwilling to take the vaccine, 44 are republicans, while just 8 are democrats according to a Cnn Poll last week. Yet, we have seen the country eager to get back to life, as normal. This weekend, more than 50,000 people gathered at Churchill Downs for the kentucky derby. Including, many without masks. And while Thats Viewer people than in past years, it was still the largest crowd to attend a Sporting Event since the beginning of the pandemic. Additionally, 80,000 municipal workers in new York City returned to their offices today. And the states of yo, york, new jersey, and connecticut, announced that start ongoing may 19th, straubts, offices, retail stores, theaters, museums, barbershops, gyms, and fitness centers will all be be allowed to operate at full capacity. Joining me now, dr. Kavita patel, msnbc medical contributor. And you know what . There is this sort of back and forkt, right . Because the the reward for getting vaccinated is supposed to be a return to normal life. But i think there are a lot of us, who arent arent so much worried about our bubble. Because our bubble are all doing the right thing. We are worried about the people who are refusing to do the right thing, and still make us vulnerable. The idea that well never get to Herd Immunity is terrifying, to me, honestly. What do we do if we dont get to Herd Immunity . Are we going to have to live with a certain politicallycharged population that is vulnerable and can spread it forever . Joy, no. I mean, you are absolutely right to be terrified. And and ironic, that like our country has the most vaccine available. We have enough for everyone, aplenty. We are going to add 12 to 15yearolds. And yet, we are still going to see these resistant patterns. 28 of Police Officers in columbus, ohio, are vaccinated. That leaves, as you can figure out, 72 who do not want to be vaccinated. Even though they were eligible for months. So, i do think we need to get into the next phase, where we are talking about requirements. Especially, for critical settings. We still have four in ten Healthcare Workers who have refused the vaccine and they cite the same reasons, not the political ones. So do we need to work, at first, with people who have concerned about safety because i just cant give up. I am not going to concede that we give up on Herd Immunity, we have worked too hard, lost too many people to concede ton that point. Joe biden, when he said he is going to do 100 Million vaccines. He is doubling that. Doing a good job. Look at countries like india, and is just devastating. We are not at that level, yet. But are we going to end up there . Because younger people are getting it. Older people seem to be okay. But are we in the risk of going in the Direction India and some countries in europe are going . It could. I think thats why everybody asks me, you know, doctor, why are you so cautious . I do what you do, joy. I am still wearing a mask when i am kind of among account crowds and its exactly for this reason. I dont know who is vaccinated. I dont know where they come from and where they are going. And i dont know the immune status of people around me. So the reason we have to care about everyone being vaccinated is because these mutations are just looking. Viruses are just looking for a place to reproduce. Its that simple and they dont care what politic, what color, what state you live in. So, youre right that this is a concern. And so, we look, in public health, we have done a terrible job at this. I think we need to figure out what is getting into Peoples Kind of psychology. And for those people who are aligned on the political reasons to not get vaccinated. Its one of the reasons i do think we are going to have to requirements. Im not going to go to a restaurant where people can just come in and put my children, Who Cannot Be Immunized at risk, because theyre too young. That and then, and people sort of get mad about it but the reality, i dont want to be exposed to people who are taking the risk of getting covid. Because that exposes my god mother, who is 87. My immunecompromised cousins and i aint doing it. So, its going to get to the point where people are going to group themselves, politically, to stay away from people who, politically, are deliberately exposing themselves to covid. Do you think, i mean, i want to put up this candace owens. She did this tweet a year ago saying like, ha, ha, ha, india has only 169 deaths. Its but its tentimes more deadly than the flu, bro. That kind of misinformation, even a year later, i still hear people saying that. Its just the flu. How do we convince people who are convinced that it is not that serious and so they are willing to take the risk . What can we say to them . What can we say . I i think we have to say what i have seen. What i know youve witnessed. That healthy, young people are dying. They can die from this. We have a vaccine that can prevent their death. And that, if you dont understand what i am talking about, putting a very rigid plastic tube down into your mouth and having a Machine Help you breathe. Its having tubes coming out of all parts your body because you cant actually eat anything. And i have seen this. I think, all the doctors we have talked to and worked with have also seen it and its that dramatic. And then, i think it has to get down this to, joy. Like, its not about you. This is The One time we need people to step up, do their part. Because one Persons Action can actually help the whole community. Its not about you and you need to get over it. Its for everyone. A amen. If this was measles or ebola, you wouldnt even ask a secondary question. Come on, people. Do it for the community. Dr. Kavita patel. Thank you very much. Before i go, i should note Nbc News corrected its story on rudy giuliani. While the fbi was concerned that giuliani was a target of russian spies, they did not warn him of that threat as Nbc News originally reported. The story had been updated to reflect that the fbi did, indeed, prepare a briefing giuliani. But that briefing was not given according to a second source familiar with the matter, because of concerns that the briefing could complicate the criminal investigation into the former new York City mayor. And well continue to follow this story. That is tonights reid out. All in with Chris Hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. The untrumping of america. 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