But they instead, they had to break down i wouldnt say break down, but smash on my doors in a frightening way. Lucky i dont get frightened very easily. He did exactly what a president should do as the president of ukraine. He asked him to investigate a vice president. Ive been fighting all my life. Ive been fighting crooks all my life. Im fighting crooks again. The only tragedy of it is, they have titles from the government. All right, federal prosecutors have not given any clues if theyre pursuing giuliani alone or whether he is just a conduit to a bigger fish. For a deeper look into this investigation, im joined by msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. Thanks for joining us on this. My first question to you, what stage of the investigation are we in when Ones House is raided and they are scouring the home for any electronic information . So, we are probably closer to an indictment than one might think, because this investigation has been up and running for some time and there was a lot of controversy because Southern District Of New York federal prosecutors wanted to get these Search Warrants months ago and the reporting is that bill Barrs Department of justice refused to give approval, some might say blocked these Search Warrants. But what we know is this investigation has been up and running regardless of the timing of the execution of these Search Warrants, so now, this is a very overt step and its a very serious step. You know, we federal prosecutors and fbi agents obtained Search Warrants every day of the week. However, when were seeking to search an Attorneys Office or an attorneys home, you know, the scrutiny that that kind of an application for a Search Warrant gets is heightened significantly, so this ultimately would have been vetted at the highest chains of the Department Of Justice, so you know, this is serious business when the Department Of Justice has made the determination that there was enough incriminating evidence to be found in Rudy Giulianis home, in his office, and in his electronic devices that they went to a federal Court Judge and a federal Court Judge agreed there was enough evidence, so Rudy Giuliani saying this is an illegal Search Warrant, well, a federal Court Judge would beg to differ. All right, so, some of this, it seems, because of the reporting that were getting from wnbc, jonathan dienst, to be specific, has to do with marie yovanovitch, the firing of, in fact, marie yovanovitch, then ambassador to ukraine. Lets listen to some of her testimony from the 2020 Impeachment Trial, the first Impeachment Trial, and then well talk. I do not understand mr. Giulianis motives for attacking me, nor can i offer an opinion on whether he believed the allegations he spread about me. Clearly, No One at the State Department did. What i can say is that mr. Giuliani should have known those claims were suspect, coming as they reportedly did from individuals with questionable motives and with reason to believe that their political and financial ambitions would be stymied by our Anticorruption Policy in ukraine. All right, so, glenn, it seems as if, in this testimony, shes talking about lutsenko who wanted yovanovitch out. We know this also from the Impeachment Trial and from Text Messages that surfaced during that Impeachment Trial, plus giulianis Search Warrants had Lutsenkos Name on them. What does this mean . Weve heard this is all about a fara violation, the foreign Agents Registration Act and theres a suggestion that Rudy Giuliani may have just failed to file some paperwork to let the federal government know that he was Working On behalf of the ukrainian government. Yasmin, this is so much bigger than a simple f. A. R. A. Violation. What we have is Rudy Giuliani Working With, lets call them what they were, nefarious ukrainian forces behind the scenes to oust ambassador yovanovitch. Why . Well, she was reportedly, you know, an excellent Corruption Fighter on behalf of the united states government, and heres the thing. A president has the plenary power to pick up the phone and say, ambassador yovanovitch, i am recalling you from your post. Your services are no longer needed, Thank You. However, the president didnt do that. Instead, Rudy Giuliani is Working With these nefarious forces behind the scenes to dislodge, and this is by his own account, to dislodge ambassador yovanovitch. That makes it seem like it is far less part of a u. S. Government policy and far more of a Rudy Giuliani dalliance, so i present at the end of the day, when and if indictments are handed down, f. A. R. A. Violations are going to look like jaywalking offenses given what Rudy Giuliani may be facing. Hey, glenn, Michael Cohen was on with Ali Velshi earlier this morning. Lets take a listen to him. I dont really see donald coming out there and fighting for rudy, fighting for this supposed illegal raid. Ultimately, what he is going to do is distance himself from rudy because again, thats what donald does. Hell distance, distance, distance, and then start to denigrate. Do i think rudy will flip on him . Rudys looked like hes lost his mind several times. I dont think hes gone that far that hes going to stay loyal to somebody who is going to throw him under the bus. Michael knows what happens here with trump when youre friends with him and then you turn against him. But nonetheless, is giuliani the Big Fish here, or could trump easily be the big Fish And Giuliani could turn on him . Yeah, well, we have seen now, if past is prologue, another President Of The United States who had his Home And Office searched and ended up with several Felony Convictions and a prison term, obviously, thats Michael Cohen. So, Michael Cohen knows whereof he speaks. Rudy giuliani is not the Big Fish here. I mean, Rudy Giuliani was intimately involved with folks like Bill Barr and mike pompeo, Don Junior and others, and most importantly, Donald Trump. So, if i were, you know, advising Rudy Giuliani, which is not somewhere i would ever find myself, i would start hunkering down and saying, okay, what kind of information can you bring to the table . Because the federal prosecutors will come knocking, looking for debriefing sessions, and then Rudy Giulianis going to have to decide, does he save himself or does he stay loyal to Donald Trump . I just want to be clear here, no charges have, in fact, been filed yet against Rudy Giuliani. So far it is still in the investigatory phase. Glenn kirschner, Thank You so much. Lets go to the growing controversy surrounding a gop congressman, Matt Gaetz, and a new call to remove him from the house judiciary committee. Watch this. Like all americans, congressman Matt Gaetz is entitled to presumption of innocence, but he is not entitled to sit on the house judiciary committee. That is an honor and a privilege, and this committee has jurisdiction over the Department Of Justice, which is the very department that has opened a criminal investigation in which Matt Gaetz is a subject. That is a clear conflict of interest, and leader Kevin Mccarthy must remove Matt Gaetz from the committee immediately. So, this is coming after an explosive report that says the Daily Beast obtained a letter from gaetzs associate, joel greenberg, in Which Greenberg reportedly admits that he and the congressman paid for sex, had sex with an underage girl and attempted to ask Roger Stone, in fact, to help them get a pardon from then president trump. Nbc news has not obtained or seen this letter but we did get responses from Gaetz And Stone denying these accusations. Thanks, ali, for joining us on this. Talk us through what else gaetz had to say in response. Reporter well, once again, hes denying it, and in a lengthy statement that we obtained from a spokeswoman, an outside spokeswoman for gaetz, heres the response. She says, Congressman Gaetz never paid for sex, nor has he had sex with a 17yearold as an adult. The statement goes on to say, politico has reported mr. Greenbergs threats to make false accusations against others and while the daily Beast Story contains a lot of confessions from joel greenberg, it does not add anything of substance and certainly no evidence for the wild and false claims about Congressman Gaetz. In fact, this is gaetzs spokeswomans statement, the story goes some way showing how gaetz was long out of touch with mr. Greenberg and had no interest in involving himself in mr. Greenbergs affairs. Roger stone also put out a statement calling this a Smear Attempt and defended gaetz in that same statement, saying hes seen, quote, No Substantiation or actual proof of any of the accusations against gaetz. Theres two things that im struck by here, though, yasmin. First is that trump allies like Roger Stone have been more effusive in their support of Congressman Gaetz than former Donald Trump himself. We havent heard Trump Talk about this in weeks, but when we did first hear him respond to it, it was first to knock down the idea that he had ever been asked directly about a pardon for gaetz by gaetz. But the second part of that statement was just to simply say, reminding people that gaetz has denied these claims. As far as trumps defense standards go, thats a pretty tepid defense, and im struck by someone who has been such a staunch ally for the former president not getting more of the Trump Treatment in regards to having the former president stand so staunchly behind him. But the other thing im struck by here is just how long this has gone on. The continued drip, drip. Its been more than a month since we heard about this initial federal probe beginning into alleged Sex Trafficking on behalf of Matt Gaetz, but the continuation of gaetz being able to get out there and get in front of it and continue to deny it, he has said hes in this for the long haul, in for the long battle. That makes sense, because gaetz is clearly deploying the Trump Playbook here, but at the same time, it also says as much about the republican party that they would allow this to continue on. Yes, theres a house Ethics Investigation going on. Yes, theres this criminal probe. At the same time, though, gaetz is clearly not feeling the pressure to step down from within his own party. Thats pretty striking. It seems like they just want to brush it under the rug. Reporter yeah. At this point. Nbcs Ali Vitali for us. Thank you, great to see you this afternoon. President bidens first address to Joint Session Of Congress is raising questions about how far the president is willing to reach across the aisle. Republicans may be looking for compromises in the Infrastructure Bill, but will democrats consider them . Im joined now by democratic Congresswoman Debbie Dingell of michigan. Thanks for joining us on this. Really appreciate it. So, lets talk through some of the biden administrations plans, specifically the Families Plan and the infrastructure plan. Theyre major price tags, i was speaking to Robert Gibbs about this, 1. 8 trillion, the democrats just passed a 1. 9 trillion Relief Bill for americans because of the covid crisis. What is the plan to get specifically first the Infrastructure Bill across the Finish Line here, considering republicans objections to it and the Joe Manchins and the Kyrsten Sinemas of the world who will likely want negotiations in place. I think talking to each other in negotiations is all right. I think the president has made it clear that he wants to sit down, he wants to hear any ideas from republicans that they have. I do believe that republicans want this for roads and bridges, that they want to replace pipes that have lead in them, that they are rural areas and urban areas are suffering from the lack of broadband. Their School Children are suffering. So, i think theres more agreement than people want to acknowledge on some pieces of this. I think weve got to get to the table and talk about how were going to pay for it. I think if you really get down and i do talk to republicans. I talk to republicans and democrats all the time. They too are concerned that 55 corporations didnt pay any taxes in the last two years, people are corporations are using our Tax Codes to ship jobs overseas that people we are not enforcing people paying their fair share of taxes. So, i think, you know, theres a lot of noise right now. I think people are trying to magnify the noise. I, quite frankly, am sitting very nittygritty at tables every day of the week, Working With all the stakeholders, not just my republican colleagues but im including my republican colleagues in some of the tough discussions as we try to figure out what we have to do. So, can we just talk quickly about what Robert Gibbs said to me was the majority, which seems to be someone like Joe Manchin, who, in the democratic party, can feasibly hold in a way his own Party Hostage asking for certain compromises to something like the infrastructure plan. When youre looking at clean energy, for instance, i mean, he comes from a coal state, some of the progression that could be made in clean energy could really wipe out the Coal Industry altogether, hurting jobs in his state. Are you having conversations like that, for instance, with your colleagues and how it is you plan to compromise with someone like Joe Manchin who may want a compromise to maintain his seat in his state. Try to look at whats happening with the Coal Industry, how Power Industries are shutting down their coa fired plants. I have one thats shutting in the next year in my own district. Ill talk about Electric Vehicles where the unions are very concerned about whats going to happen to jobs, but im having very intentional, intersectional discussions that environmentalists and labor are at the table, autos have been part of it. You know, we got to understand the implications. Youre not going to sell Electric Vehicles if you dont deal with a number of problems. I love joe. Hes a good friend. Ultimately, hes got to see the direction this country is going in, and i have confidence that he loves his country and wants to be part of moving the country forward. Congresswoman debbie dingell, Thank You as always. I also want to mention to folks, congresswoman, that you are a cosponsor of the thrive act, transform, heal, thats a 10 Trillion investment in public health. Over ten years. Go ahead. People are taking this out of context. I mean, its over ten years, and its this intentionalness that im talking about. So, when we talk about a green job, a Union Member thinks youre taking my job away. Its going away and anything else im going to get is less money. I want to make sure that we are making batteries for those Electric Vehicles here in the united states. Those are the kinds of things im Working On. Joe manchin wants to make sure theres another job for his coal worker. Its not just going to happen by having these races up in the air. We got to sit down at a table, figure it out, put pen to paper and get it done. Congresswoman debbie dingell, Thank You as always. Great to see you on a saturday afternoon. Enjoy the rest of your day. Still ahead, everybody, getting back on track. Theyre off. In the Kentucky Derby. Masks accompany Mint Juleps but is it safe for a Sporting Event of this size . Were live in louisville. Stay with us. Ze were live in louisville stay with us if you wanna be a winner then get a Turkey Footlong from subway®. Thats oven roasted turkey. Piled high with crisp veggies. 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If people pull back on the need to get vaccinated or pull back on the public health measures, you could reverse that. That was dr. Anthony fauci speaking just a short while ago about the risk of reopening too soon. A lot of these warnings, however, did not hinder todays Kentucky Derby, louisville welcomed spectators to Churchill Downs once again more than one year after the city was rocked by the Pandemic And Police brutality protests. With me now is nbcs gary. The Kentucky Derby typically attracting droves of tourists but the event has been limited by covid restrictions, of course. What is it like where you are . Reporter hey there, yasmin, yeah, its really a mixed bag. Here in jefferson county, where louisville is located, about a third of the county is fully vaccinated. Thats great news but the impacts of covid are really seen here. This is a massive Entertainment And Restaurant complex here in the heart of louisville. This place should be packed right now. Were just a few hours from post time at the Kentucky Derby. This place should be overflowing. Restaurants should be overflowing with people ready to watch the Kentucky Derby, but thats simply not the case right now. And the economic impact is a really huge part of this story. Usually the Kentucky Derby brings about 400 Million into the City Of Louisville every single year. This year, experts are telling us its not even going to hit 40 million, so a significant drop there but of course over at Churchill Downs, people are dressed to the nines, Mint Juleps are not in any short supply but theres an addition to the wardrobe this year, required masks for all 45,000 people that are going to be at Churchill Downs today. We spoke to the director of the Louisville Department of health about the holding the largest event, one of the largest events since this pandemic began today in louisville. Were in a much different place than we were a year ago. We know how covid is spread. Were hoping people take precautions seriously, hoping that people that chose to come to derby were vaccinated but know thats not 100 , so just encouraging the testing and the masks and the spacing, all those things that we know that work. Reporter yasmin, this really goes to show that officials can lift all the restrictions they want, but if restaurants arent reopening and people arent coming out to bars and restaurants, the impact and the reopening is going to be a lot slower than officials hope. Yasmin . All right, gary grumbach, Thank You. Coming up, everybody, covid crisis. A recordbreaking day in india as the country struggled with a massive surge amid shortages of basic supplies. After the break, dr. Kulkarni joins our medical contributor, dr. Kavita patel with the latest on this very dire situation. Well be right back. E latest on this very dire situation. Well be right back. 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It comes as the Countrys Healthcare System continues to buckle, forcing volunteers to step in and pick up victims from peoples homes and transport them to mass crematoriums. Sky news special correspondent Alex Crawford is covering the devastation in new delhi. We want to warn you that the report youre about to see contains graphic images that some may find distressing. Reporter this is pretty astonishing because almost everywhere you look, there are ambulances carrying a number of dead people. There are something like 42 ambulances that weve counted that go all the way down this road, and the crematorium is working nonstop as the numbers of deaths in india continue to rise. Along with the spike in coronavirus cases. They dont have time to wait. Its going to be a while before the funeral can be held. The crematoriums already got a backlog and theyre furiously building more pyres and the volunteers have had a call to pick up another body and this time its personal. Its his cousin. Theyre taking incredible risks doing a job they dont need to do whilst coronavirus tears through their own families. Its close to 40degree Heat and collecting your own relative in a pandemic is not easy, either physically or emotionally. And theyve all suffered. Their families watch from a distance. Theres a lot of fear about now. As well as covid restrictions keeping them apart. A mother and her two daughters united in their anger that this need not have happened, and these mass funerals could have been avoided. I really feel theres a big failure of the nation. So many people. And my Father Everything gone. Everything. Everything gone. No medicine. No cylinders, nothing. Reporter india is suffering, and too many believe that its not covid thats killing but the mismanagement of it. The loss is very personal, but theres a collective pain in the country. Okay, joining me now from india is dr. Kulkarni, a member of India Covid S. O. S. And Founder And Director of i hope i said that right and also dr. Kavita patel, msnbc medical Contributor And Fellow at the brookings institute. Doctor, Thank You so much for joining us on this. We have been seeing reports coming out of india every single day. They are devastating. People dying in the streets. Mass cremations. What is it like on the ground . What are you seeing . First of all, Thank You, yasmin, and kavita for having me here. Youve seen the situation. It is as grim as it seems, as you step out, you see youre either seeing ambulances, patients who are trying desperately to seek beds or people who are trying to deliver services as well, and that number has been reducing because people are now scared to even come out, so it is a grim situation. Being in bangalore where i am, its, again, one of its an i. T. City in the southern part of the country and we just hit, as you saw, record numbers. We have crossed 400,000 mark. Mind you, the city crosses 25,000 cases each day for the last several days. How did it get bad so fast . Yes, thats a very important question. I think all of us are to blame right now, but the time is not to do the blame game. Weve had more than 394 about 400 deaths within 48 hours of hospitalization between April 20th and the 29th. And the reasons for this could be lack of beds, lack of triaging, lack of key drugs, oxygen, and delay of patients getting to hospitals in time. And these are some of the key problems that we are facing, and there are so many ways in which right now we can we can look at overcoming this. Right now, the time is to save as many lives as we can because weve were going to keep losing. This is going to continue to happen if we dont address these challenges as we go forward. Dr. Patel, i know you wanted to ask a question. Go ahead. I do. Dr. Daya, so, one of the challenges is literally your workforce. Tell us about how many of your healthcare workers, including doctors and nurses, are getting sick from covid and what the impact of that is, specifically for trying to take care of patients, not just in the hospital but in homes. Yeah. So, that is another big challenge, right . A lot of the workforces are now getting tested above because some of them most of them have been vaccinated, the symptoms may not be very bad, but theyre still isolated and theyre working at home, and the government is announcing newer beds. We have makeshift hospitals. Just today, the city of bangalore is going to have 4,000 new Icu Beds and that means about, you know, 500,000 new beds across the country to multiply that, and those beds need to be managed by people. The beds are not going to treat patients on their own, and that means we need that many trained doctors and nurses to care for these patients. So that is definitely a big gap, and were seeing that impact, again, lives every day. Dr. Daya, i know the united states has committed to sending ppe along with tests as well. What else does India Need . What does India Need right now to help with this crisis . All right, so, the first thing that we need is we need trained manpower that can treat patients in these new beds that we are going to have. Otherwise, the numbers are still going to continue so that means we need to create quick Training Modules with expertise to train young junior doctors, residents and nurses to take care of just covid patients and we need to build those protocols very quickly and the Covid Task Force is Working On building that. We also need something ive been doing, theres a lot of these currently Icus And Oxygen beds are manned by caretakers, by residents, by nurses, so were providing teleconsultations and advice from specialists across the globe who are signing up and another thing that would help in that place is having some kind of a temporary area for laboratory which is what is causing hesitation from international experts in coming forward and that would definitely help a lot more volunteers, including, you know, organizations like the american association of physicians of indian origin and even other doctors from across England And Australia or other places who could provide consults on teleplatforms on whatsapp, on regular phones. Dr. Patel, i want to give you the last question. Go ahead. Yeah. So, one of the things weve learned, dr. Daya, from looking at this unfortunate pandemic across the world is it goes back to basic mitigation measures. We can send vaccines, we can send oxygen but the best thing we can do is encourage as many indians as possible to be able to stay home. I know that that is very difficult in the country right now. How can we encourage people to fight the misinformation and to be safe at home and to wear masks and isolate safely if indeed they are positive . People need confidence that if theyre going to do that, theyre going to be safe and vaccination the first phase of the vaccination started from today, that means people between the age of 18 to 45 years can get vaccinated and that means they have to come out to get vaccinated, so theres that, you know, aspect where we want people to get vaccinated, we also at the same time want people to stay home, and, you know, follow protocols and stay safe, and along with all of this, the mental health of, you know, people staying at home but practitioners, the healthcare providers, the volunteers, its taking a toll because were working nonstop 24 7 and thats going to continue so we need to be mindful of that and safeguard the workforces as well and stay safe in so many ways and that means that should be confidence that can be instilled from The System, from the international community that there is support and we are going to kind of work on this and face this overcome this crisis together. Dr. Daya kulkarni, we appreciate you so much. We Thank You for all the work that youre doing out there. Please stay safe and stay in touch with us. Yes, Thank You. I would say, as i my inspirer says, this pandemic is global. If it affects some of us, it affects all of us so i would encourage all of you to stay safe, stay healthy and help in whatever way you can. It makes a difference. Thank you. If it affects some of us, it affects all of us, that is for sure, dr. Kavita patel, Thank You as always. Some sad news to report, everybody, actress Olympia Dukakis has died. She enjoyed a prolific Theater Career before cementing her status as a bona fide Hollywood Star through roles in Steel Magnolias and moon struck. She was also the proud cousin of former Massachusetts Governor democratic president ial Nominee Michael dukakis who she stumped for during her Oscars Acceptance Speech back in 1988. 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Talk to a doctor, by phone, online, or inperson. Welcome back. A very special Event Tonight on Nbc And Tomorrow night on msnbc. Its called Inspiring America, aimed at highlighting Special Americans and what theyre doing to uplift this country. This weeks msnbcs Chris Hayes had a promotion for it with a very personal touch. This ones a fun story. I first learned to love performing in the theater as a high School Student in new York City back in the 1990s when Rudy Giuliani was mayor, in fact. I went to Hunter College high school where i was cast in a Student Run Production we called Brick Prison Play house and that was a reference to the fact that our school was a converted armory with barely any windows. Now, early on, brick Prisons Faculty Advisor was this incredible man named dr. Herbert. You can see there in this Home Video from back in the day, thats him. It just so happens it was on that day this video was taken that dr. Herbert proposed an enterprising young student should write a musical. You can hear the exact moment captured in the video. Pay attention to the end of this next clip. And the kid in the blue shirt . That would be me. What do you want . I like. You were in it. Yes. It wasnt that was in 81. Fine, then, 90. Okay, lin, youre on. What . Youre on. Okay, lin, youre on. The guy behind the camera was a skinny eighth graders named linmanuel miranda. A few years later, lin would write an original musical called Nightmare In D Major and i suppose the rest is history. Lin will be featured in an upcoming special event on msnbc called Inspiring America where we highlight extraordinary people making a positive impact in their communities and when Lester Holt sat down to interview lin, lin talked about the influence that dr. Herbert and Brick Prison had on the course of his life. Well, i think i always knew i wanted a life in the arts and making stuff and i didnt know what form that would take. I always credit my eighth grade english teacher, mr. Herbert who caught me writing poems in the back and said, when you apply that stuff to our class, youre actually pretty good. I think he was the first person outside of my very supportive family to say, youre a writer. And he nudged me in the direction of Play Writing because we had a studentrun Theater Group where you could where we produced studentwritten plays and thats what nudged me in that direction. I dont know what i would be writing if it werent for dr. Herbert saying, go hang out with those kids. Those kids. That was me in that room. Those were the kids that we were hanging out with. Youll hear from other incredible individuals on spiring america, the 2021 Inspiration List which airs this saturday on nbc, then right here on msnbc this sunday at 10 00 p. M. Eastern. Dont miss it. Roasted turkey. Piled high with crisp veggies. On freshly baked bread so, lets get out there and get those footlongs. 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The election is crowded. Weve got 11 republican candidates and 10 democrats. We will, of course, have the results of this race live here on msnbc polls close later tonight. So that election is coming as the Gop War on voting is picking up steam. First, there is the recount of the 2020 president ial election happening in arizona where the republicanled senate took ballots from maricopa county. President trump has publicly suggested other states could begin similar efforts, even though theres zero evidence of fraud and the election happened six months ago. Then in florida the State Legislature passed a major overhaul of the states Voting Laws this week. The Bill Waiting on the republican Governors Desk would limit Drop Boxes and voting by mail and adds more i. D. Requirements. There are concerns more states could actually be next. I want to bring in democratic Strategist And Susan Del Percio and msnbc political analyst. Thank you for julio jones. Susan, i want to start with you on this one. Trump endorsing Susan Wright in todays special election in texas. Is this a test, do you think, of his influence . It could be, but i know the significant. Like you said, the race is on tuesday. He got in late. She can raise some money, get on tv and make make some waves that way. But in a crowded race of 11 republicans, ten democrats, i dont know how much hes going to really matter. I always believe that Donald Trump is good at going against someone. His endorsement is never good for somebody. Atima, the state of arizona, lets talk about the recount. They have conducted numerous accuracy tests and hired two companies to conduct a forensic review of the results. Theyve all confirmed that The System that the county used performed properly now. They know now theyre trying to use Uv Lights and experts say that could damage the ballots. Do you think other states here could follow suit when it comes to something like this recount thats happening with maricopa votes . When it comes to the republican party, especially when it comes to the votes since the 2020 election, who knows, quite frankly . When it was clear after several recounts, several audits, certification of election, even this failed insurrection, you would think the republican party would just go back to the Drawing Board and figure out how to get more people to actually vote for them the oldfashioned way, through policy and ideas and debate. But instead, theyre just doubling down in states like arizona and georgia, texas and passing more Voter Suppression laws and adding poll watchers, giving them more access to polls to challenge stuff. I read earlier today in arizona they had a reporter removed. Another official was doing the Count Thing that it wasnt appropriate for him to take a picture of an official when theyre reviewing the ba. This is democracy. So its very concerning and hopefully arizona is not going to set a precedent. But again, who knows with this republican party. So i guess, susan, my question is why arent more people Speaking Up . I want to read a tweet from Gabriel Sterling a top republican official in georgia who rose to fame after the november election. The audit in arizona is another step in undermining confidence in elections. This process is neither transparent nor likely leechlt any findings will be lisle suspect now that Chain Of Custody has been violated by partisan actors. Why are more folks like Gabriel Sterling speaking out . They are. When you look at the Arizona Board of supervisors, four republicans, one democrat were all against i hate even calling it a recount, but this fallacy of some idea of an audit and they fought it Tooth And Nail and lost. Republicans are out there. Theyre just the ones who are getting challenged by some state republican party wanting them ousted from the party. But susan, what about republicans in washington Speaking Up, Stepping Out, and saying this is based on a Big Lie, this should not be happening, Stepping Out and against a recount like this . Every elected official, republican and democrat from arizona and the House Of Representatives got elected under this count. So are they all saying they shouldnt have been elected . To me that should be the case if you say youre for this ridiculous audit. Lets not forget the history that florida and arizona have. They excel at mailin voting. Its nothing that needs to be fixed. This is simply an effort to perpetrate the idea of the Big Lie so you can undermine the election process. And it doesnt work. When Donald Trump said dont believe the machines, No One showed up republicans didnt show up in georgia. And then you get two democrats elected. So this is absurd. Republicans in washington and around the country should be Speaking Up and supporting these election officials. A lot of republicans who are speaking out in their states. Atima, quickly here, by relitigating this election, shall we say, right, this recount in arizona, could they easily be losing republican voters . Absolutely. You see numbers every day. People becoming independents or even fullout members of the democratic party. And, you know, simply because, you know, it used to be that we at least would agree on Rule Of Law and generally some idea around participation in democracy. And Voting Rights has been something that has challenged republicans for a very long time, and thats why honestly they just simply are not doing what they need to do to actually bring people back to the republican party in an honest way. That wraps up the hour for me. Im yasmin vossoughian. Ill be back tomorrow at 3 00 p. M. Eastern. Reverend Al Sharpton and politicsnation are up next after a quick break. Because when caught in early stages, its more treatable. Im cologuard. 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