Msnbc. Thats going to do it for us tonight. Now its time for the last word where ali velshi is in for lawrence tonight. I too am at that time in my year and just getting ready for this has been fun because were going through people doing inspiring things in our lives, in the news. That doesnt bubble to the top as much as it should, so im excited about it. Rachel, have yourself a fantastic weekend and well see you on monday. Thanks, my friend. Thank you. Well, its just 101 days into President Bidens term, six months after his election. The new president has already proven that the trump republican claims about a biden economy were total lies. Hes a headwind in the stock market because if he gets in the market will crash. Not only is the economy booming under biden but were at transformational moment for the american economy. A moment that could improve the course of the nation for generations to come. In 101 days President Biden has overseen a really strong start to our economic recovery as more americans get vaccinated and a return to prepandemic life is in sight. Household incomes increased in march by 21. 1 . Thats the largest monthly increase since 1959. Largely due to the stimulus checks in President Bidens American Rescue plan. In the first three months of this year the gross domestic product, gdp increased at an annual rate of 6. 4 . Thats the second largest quarterly increase since 2003. And the stock market is performing the best that it has performed during the first 100 days of a presidency going back to at least the 1950s and the eisenhower administration. But, of course, lots of people dont benefit from a rising stock market. Poverty has deepened in america. Expanded for many during the pandemic. The Inequality Gap grew especially for black and brown communities. And women have been disproportionately affected by job loss. As this recovery takes shape and builds the important question becomes whether those at the bottom oof the economic ladder will be left behind. Will the postcovid economy benefit those who have been traditionally marginalized . Well, thats at the core of bidens proposals which he detailed during his address to congress this week. President biden wants to use the incredible power of the presidency to share the financial prosperity that usually benefits the rich particularly in the wake of a recession. Thats the complete opposite of what trump and republicans gave us the last four years. Many voters supported trump because they thought that he would do wonders for the economy, which was turns out based on reality show gimmicks, Phony Business credentials and some straight up lies. He didnt do that. He just rode the successes that president obama had laid out for him. Along the way he did Help Top Earners and corporations through some massive tax cuts, which increased inequality for most americans. The first real test of trumps ability to manage economic troubles was the coronavirus pandemic. And thats when the world saw what many of us already knew. He wasnt up to the job. And his failure to manage the pandemic meant that the Economic Impact of covid would last far longer and hurt many more americans than it would have. Now, instead of Injecting Bleach President Biden and democrats are injecting cash into the economy to help it grow, to better the lives of average americans. Thats why hes proposing to reduce the cost of child care, to ensure paid family and medical leave, to extend the child tax credit, to expand access to care for older and disabled people and to offer free universal preschool and two years of Free Community college. Thats why the president just raised the minimum wage for federal contractors to 15 an hour, which is interesting. You can be a federal employee and earn less than that. Hes creating a road map for tangible longterm economic progress for working people just like fdr did with the new deal and after the great depression. President biden is daring america to understand the government can adapt and respond to the Economic Needs of a nation that is emerging from a once in a generation recession. Bidens Economic Vision is bold, but boldness is what this country needs right now to ensure that all americans not just the top 1 or the top 5 or the top 10 recover and flourish. Leading off our discussion tonight, mark zandy, Chief Economist for moodys analytics. Mark, its good to see you. Thank you for being with us. I want you to give us some sense of this economy were in right now and why its happening, why the stock market is performing as well as it is, why gdp growth was as strong as it was. How much of that has to do with biden . How much of that has to do with the end in sight of coronavirus . Well, its good to be with you, ali. The economy is im happy to report is booming. Very, very strong growth. We saw gdp, the valuables, the things we produce that grew 6. 4 in the first quarter. Thats very robust growth. Lots of jobs, Unemployment Insurance claims are falling. Unemployment is declining. Consumer sentiment is improving. The Housing Market i can go on and on and on. In fact, ive been a professional economist, ali, for i dont know 30odd years and i dont think i can remember a time where it the prospects for the economy over the next 12, 18 months are as good as they are today. So its all good. Weve got a big hole to dig out of. There are still of a lot folks struggling but were well on our way of digging out of that deep hole we got into. For the reasons why theres two key ones. One, clearly the pandemic is winding down. Were approaching herd immunity. The Vaccination Process has gone well. Well over half now of adult americans have been vaccinated. So thats all good. And by the summer i think well be open open for business and thats all good news. And of course the stock market is reacting to that. And then of course the other really very important factor is the American Rescue plan. That is the 1. 9 trillion fiscal support package. Unemployment insurance, rental assistance, food assistance, help to the Airline Industry i can go on and on and on. That is really super charging the economy, and then of course you have very low Interest Rates provided by the feds. Its all coming together. We have these very significant tail winds. Mark, you say youve been a professional economist for about 30 years. You and i have talked for a very large portion of that. And one of things thats become bigger each year has been this equality gap, the idea when we hit recessions if you go into a recession with pretty good credit and capital you come out stronger, and if you went in weak you sometimes come out weaker. We have this problem. Weve got Food Insecurity. Weve got people still earning 7. 25 an hour. We have 8 million fewer employed people than we had a year ago. Biden seems to want to have a recovery that doesnt leave all of them behind. Yeah, totally agree. I think if you look at the American Rescue plan where the support goes, it goes to lower Income Households that are under the most stress, the folks underemployed and got hit hard by the pandemic. Then of course the build back better agenda, which weve now got a much clearer vision of, thats the american jobs plan, the Infrastructure Plan you were talking about and the American Families plan. Thats all the support that goes to families through education and child care and family leave. Those plans are designed to help support lower income, lower middle income americans. And its paid for by higher taxes on large corporations and the welltodo high Income Households. So the idea behind the build back better agenda is to help improve longterm Economic Growth but then take the benefits of that growth and make sure low income americans who have been left behind benefit from that. Im going to go back to sort of the early days of your and my career where it was more broadly accepted that the idea of Trickle Down Economics, that benefits will trickle down if you give them to top earners and corporations. A recent ipsos reuters poll released yesterday said that 51 agree with the statement Trickle Down Economics have never worked with america. Among republicans 1 in 10 agreed it was a failed theory. This is something joe biden said to congress wednesday. Whats your evaluation of that, the idea Trickle Down Economics dont work . They dont. Weve tried this a few times and each time its failed miserably. Its evident in the data. The income and Wealth Distribution has become increasingly more skewed. Going all the way back to the late 70s, early 80s so this has been a long running development, not just something that happened overnight. And we tried Trickle Down Economics a couple times in that period and it has not worked. I do think it makes a lot of sense to address this problem head on and provide support directly to the groups that need it. And, you know, that is immediate help to navigate through the pandemic because many lower income groups didnt have any financial restricts coming into the pandemic so they were left without any support. They needed it. Even more important Going Forward making sure they get the help they need to get their kids educated, get themselves educated, get the child care they need so they can go to work, make the economy work for them. And so these programs are designed to, again, lift the entire economy and support longer, stronger Economic Growth, improve productivity, increase labor participation, all the things we want to see in a well functioning economy. But then make sure those benefits go to those folks that have really been left behind. It took us 30, 35 years to get here over this income Wealth Distribution. Its going to take us a long time to get out. Its going to require a very specific Policy Effort and were in the beginning. Im pleased to be in a world in which you and i can have Economic Policy discussions again. The news cycle didnt allow that to happen for a while. Mark zandi. Today President Biden visited pennsylvania to promote his economic proposals and of course he delivered his speech at an amtrak station in philadelphia. A place familiar to him from his years of commuting by train. Malcolm kenyatta joins us, running for the United States senate in pennsylvania. Senator kenyatta, good to see you again. Thank you for being with us today. I want to continue the conversation that mark and i were having about sort of bottom up economics that joe biden is talking about and the philosophical idea joe biden shares with many democrats, that government has a leading role to play at moments like this, that government is a force for good. How do you overcome it in a place like pennsylvania . A whole bunch of conservatives who have for years believed the opposite. Yeah, i think first of all, its good to be with you. I think one of the things youre seeing is actually investing in Working Families is not only good for the economy, its good for politics. These proposals the president has rolled out one after the other are deeply popular with the American People. You talked about, you know, philosophy. But for a lot of folks here, people in my district or people like me who grew up in a working poor family this is not philosophical or hypothetical, its real. Whether or not we expand broadband for communities thats real for those family. Whether or not people can afford child care, thats real. Whether or not we do something about the care economy my mom was a Home Health Care aide that is real. Hes laying out proposals that really meet the moment where American People are trying to get out of this pandemic but also trying to confront a lot of the systems that made this pandemic as bad as it was. What do you do, though, in a place like pennsylvania where youre running outside of your district . Where youre going to run in a state that has some major cities, some Major Urban Centers and a lot of rural in between where people have been subject to stories, in some cases the big lie which has played out quite effectively in rural pennsylvania. How do you get that argument out to people out there . Have you tried, and hows it going . So, you know, my campaign is really about answering a simple question. And if youve been an organizer as i have, if youve stood on picket lines with working folks demanding better as i have many times, theres a song, ali, youll hear a lot of times on the picket line. And it says which side are you on, which side are you on, and the answer to that has to be the peoples side. Thats why when we look at our campaign we see so many people rushing to malcolm kenyatta. Com to chip in 33 at a time. Thats our average contribution because no matter if youre in philadelphia or altuna or scranton, youre asking that question. Which side is the government on . Is it on the side of working people or going to continue to be on the side of big corporations that have been able to write the rules to their benefit time and time again . And theyve really had a good employee in pat toomey whos worked for those big corporations and not for the people of pennsylvania. Let me play for you a little snippet of a conversation my colleague craig melvin had with President Biden yesterday, and lets talk on the other side of it. I dont have any inordinate faith in government, but theres certain things only the government can do. Is the private sector going to build billions of Dollars Worth of highways, ports, airports, bridges . Are they going to do that . And so these are things only government can really do. That message, can you get that to resonate with people, the idea there are things that government just does better than individuals or corporations . Absolutely. And not only is the president absolutely right, but i think a part of what we need to change is having people in government who understand in their bones what it looks like when government fails, what it looks like when government doesnt work. You know, i watched my mom all the time ration her insulin, my dad same thing. Lost both of them before i turned 47. We moved four, five different times. Whether youre talking about housing, confronting the Climate Crisis by thinking big and investing in clean energy jobs, these are things the government has to take the lead on. And we see right now what happens when government steps up to it plate. You talked about how the economy is roaring and how so many people are beginning to get their footing again. But we still have to deal with some of the systemic challenges, and thats what the American Families plan and the american jobs plan are all about. You know, i watched the president s remarks the other day before a Joint Session Of Congress and watched as he talked about cutting childhood poverty in half, and you have a whole section of the room that didnt think that was worthy of applause and didnt want to support the president in making that happen. And so we do know there are people in government that for so long have been committed to making government not work and then telling the lie that government doesnt work without acknowledging the fact that they are the reason that government doesnt were. Right. And so we have a president now doing big, bold things. And thats what were doing in this campaign, and i think pennsylvanias ready. Representative kenyatta, i always enjoy our conversations but i think you may have made history tonight. I dont know anybody has ever sung to me live on tv. Im grateful for that. Its added a new layer to our relationship. Representative, thank you for joining me tonight. Thank you, my friend. Coming up, so if republicans can no longer baselessly claim republicans good, democrats bad on the economy then whats left . After four years of incompetent and corrupt governance from the Trump Administration the way the republicans plan to win is to stop voters from voting. 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A new nbc news poll shows voters believe biden is more moderate than barack obama was at this same stage of his presidency even though bidens plans are far more ambitious. Nbc notes bidens 1. 9 trillion Stimulus Package was considerably larger than the 787 billion recovery aid enacted by obama in the early days of his administration. Add on top of that bidens 4 trillion for Infrastructure Proposal that includes liberal policies like paid family leave, universal prek and Free Community college. All of this is popular with a majority of americans, so are his proposals to pay for these policies by raising taxes on corporations and the rich. It might explain why republicans are choosing a different strategy to gain the upperhand. The Associated Press reports, quote, biden himself simply isnt proving to be an easy target or animating Figure Interest the gop Base Prompting americans to turn to the kind of cultural issues the party has used to cast democrats as elitist and out of touch with average americans, end quote. Thats why you see republicans and conservative media complaining about cancel culture instead of economic relief. But this gop strategy can do real world harm to real people. Take a look at how theyre targeting Transgender Athletes from competing in School Sports or how theyre trying to stop people from voting. If they cant beat democrats on the issues theyll try to keep voters from voting. In fact, just last night republicans in florida passed the latest Voter Suppression bill which Governor Ron Desantis says hes going to sign. The bill puts restrictions on the use of drop boxes, adds new i. D. Requirements to vote by mail and makes voters request Absentee Ballots more frequently. Joining us Jonathan Capehart an opinion writer for the Washington Post and the host of a podcast and rene graham, oopinion columnist and Associate Editor at the boston globe. Rene, it is kind of interesting because joe biden as i just discussed with Representative Kenyatta is embracing this idea as government as influential in peoples lives, Big Government being okay. And that flies in four plus decades of opposition from conservatives. You dont see conservatives up there fighting that. Theyre fighting other things. Right. Its hard to fight against what people actually want. The polls keep proving they want what biden is proposing. So all the conservatives can do is raise all these other issues which have nothing to do with peoples day to day lives. Vilifying trans students isnt helping america. All youre doing is vilifying this group of vulnerable people. So i think its sort of absurd that republicans are spending all this time on these issues and not on what people actually care about. Which is interesting because we could have valid discussions, jonathan, about the things people care about. Everybody wants a higher minimum wage. Youve got two republicans i think mitt romney and tom cotton proposing a 10 minimum wage than what biden is suggesting. Republicans could go to every issue biden is on and try to put forward a compromise but it always ends up trickling out. They always happen to have five or six or ten republicans who engage in the discussion and all just fizzles out because Mitch Mcconnell wants nothing to do with it. Right. Theyre not interested in governing, ali. A Functioning Party, a functioning republican party, there would would be more mitt romneys, more tom cottons coming to the table on every issue to say to the American People, yeah, you heard President Biden in his joint session speech but heres our plan for child care, our plan for paid family leave, our plan to boost the minimum wage. Yeah, he says 15, heres our proposal, heres how were going to pay for it. Thats what a Functioning Party and a Party Interested in governing would do, but thats not whats happening. What theyre trying to do instead because what the president is doing is popular with a broad swath of the American People is theyve just decided, well, lets just try to keep as many people who could vote for the democrats from voting. Remember, joe biden got to most votes for president than any person ever in American History and republicans saw that and said not going to do it again. Renee, i was intrigued and maybe a little excited to hear republican senator tim scotts rebuttal to joe bidens address on wednesday night. You know, hes shone some propensity to try and find some Common Ground on the George Floyd Justice and policing act. So i was surprised to hear this from tim scott. Lets listen and talk on the other side. Hear me clearly. America is not a racist country. Its backwards to fight disimination with different types of discrimination. And its wrong to try to use our painful past to Shutdown Debates in the president. Im an africanamerican whos voted in the south my entire life. I take Voting Rights personally. Republicans support making it easier to vote and harder to cheat. So im going to take tim scott at his word as an africanamerican from the south he takes Voting Rights personally, i have no reason to doubt that. But that last sentence was a little odd because republicans around the country are not demonstrating they want to make it easier to vote. Not at all. The thing is you have to go back about a decade. The gop was fretting about the changing demographics and loosening hold on power. Lindsey graham said were not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the longterm. So now what they have are all these bills and laws to make it more difficult. Thats why Lindsey Graham is around now saying, oh, 2022 is going to be a blow out year for republicans because they dont have policies. What they have is Voter Suppression. Thats what theyre using to win. So this whole idea that somehow its all good and these laws are actually going to make things better is complete nonsense. Thanks to both of you for joining me tonight. Renee, always good to see you. Jonathan, were going to see each other again on Sunday Morning so thanks for giving me a little warmup on friday night. Jonathan capehart is host of The Sunday Show 10 00 a. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. Coming up Breaking News on the investigation into Rudy Giuliani. 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The Associated Press reports tonight that Justice Department officials in the Trump Administration considered serving giuliani with a Search Warrant last fall, but an internal dispute over the case never resolved leaving biden officials to make the decision. The ap previously reported that, quote, federal prosecutors in manhattan pushed last year for a Search Warrant for records, but officials in the trump era Justice Department would not seen off on the request. Doj officials raised concerns about both the scope of the request which they thought would contain communications that could be covered by legal privilege between giuliani and trump and the method of obtaining the records. Tonight were learning more about the Search Washts that were executed this week on giulianis home and office. According to the Wall Street Journal the warrants sought communications on an array of ukrainian officials including the ouster of the former ambassador to ukraine. Quote, federal prosecutors have pursued a theory that hinges on the idea that mr. Giulianis efforts to remove ms. Iovon vch was done at the behest of giuliani officials. Joining us now glenn kershner, a former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. Good evening to you, glenn. Id love to know not only what you make of this, the raid, the seizing of documents and of course Rudy Giulianis responses. I guess you could have expected he was going to have them, but hes been all over tv and websites responding to it. Yeah, ali. I did watch the Tucker Carlson interview of Rudy Giuliani. And he just completely rewrote the law on Search Warrants. So, for example, he told the viewers that the only way prosecutors can get a Search Warrant is if theres evidence that the target is going to destroy or in his words run away with the evidence. And i dont know why he is misleading the fox viewers, but there actually is only one thing that has to be proved in order to get a Search Warrant. You have to show that theres probable cause that a crime was committed and that theres evidence of that crime in the place to be searched. A federal judge concluded there is evidence of crime presently in Rudy Giulianis home, in his office and in his electronic devices. So, you know, Rudy Giulianis attempt to explain it all away in his words as an illegal Search Warrant really falls flat. So theres another bombastic lawyer and confidant of Donald Trumps who had a Search Warranted executed on his work and home, Michael Cohen. He was on with Nicolle Wallace tonight with a little advice for Rudy Giuliani. Lets listen to what he has to say. This is my speech to rudy and to, you know, anybody else. They have him, and so if hes looking to protect himself so that he doesnt end up spending the rest of his life in prison, he may want to actually start to cooperate. Its something that i didnt do that i probably should have done hindsight being 2020. What do you make of that advice, glenn . Yeah, thats the voice of experience talking because lets look what happened last time. Federal Search Warrants were executed on an attorneys home and an attorneys office. While that was Michael Cohen and he ended up going to prison. If past is prologue, i think Rudy Giuliani ought to hunker down with his lawyers and start to discuss, okay, who are the bigger fish that i can give up. So if it were me as the prosecutor i would be debriefing Rudy Giuliani about what he knows about bill barr, about donald trump, about don, jr. And others. Because if anybody knows the value of cooperating with a criminal probe, its a former u. S. Attorney like Rudy Giuliani. And theres more to it than the bombast and the things having to do with the election, which were most recent in our memory about Rudy Giuliani. This actually has to do with ukraine and the american presence there and the acting ambassador marie yovanovitch, who by the way talked about Rudy Giuliani targeting her, which probably ultimately led to her losing her job in the Trump Administration. Lets listen to what she had to say about Rudy Giuliani. I do not understand mr. Giulianis motives for attacking. Clearly no one at the State Department did. What i can say is that mr. Giuliani should have known those claims were suspect coming as they reportedly did from individuals with questionable motives and with reason to believe their political and financial ambitions would be stymied by our anticorruption policy in ukraine. Marie yovanovitch was somebody some powerful people in ukraine would have liked out of the way, and ultimately that worked. I dont know how that makes it more or less serious as a crime, but it is more serious as a matter of National Security that Rudy Giuliani might have been up to this kind of activity either at the behest of the russian of the ukrainians or not. Yeah. And this is a really interesting piece, ali, because a president has Plenary Authority to remove an ambassador for good reason or for no reason at all. So at any moment donald trump could have picked up the phone and recalled ambassador marie yovanovitch, but thats not what was going on. What was going on is Rudy Giuliani was working behind the scenes to try to dislodge ambassador yovanovitch who by all accounts was a really accomplished Corruption Fighter in her post as an ambassador. So if the president could have summarily removed her, why did Rudy Giuliani have to work behind the scenes to almost covertly try to push her out . That tells us and this is why i think you read that its the working theory of the prosecutors. It tells us that Rudy Giuliani wasnt doing this for donald trump. He could have done it himself. What he was probably doing is what the evidence is beginning to look like is he was acting at the behest of Powerful Ukrainians who did not like ambassador yovanovitchs anticorruption work. That is a really bad look for Rudy Giuliani. Glenn, always good to see you. You make everything substantially clearer for me. I appreciate that. Glenn kershner is former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. Coming up just weeks before andrew brown, jr. Was killed by police in what his family called an execution, democrats in North Carolina were fighting to change the extremely restrictive Body Cam Video Laws that exist in that state. Were going to talk about that next. State were going to talk about that next limu emu doug excuse me maam, did you know that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . 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In the sixplus years since Michael Proun was shot and killed by police in ferguson, missouri, 8,000 Police Departments across the country have outfitted their officers with body worn camera. Police buddy cameras matter because in most cases there isnt a witness like Darnella Frasier Who Heroically held up her phone and recorded Derek Chauvin murdering george floyd by putting his knee on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. Andrew brown, jr. Was shot and killed by police in North Carolina one day after Derek Chauvin was convicted. But in North Carolina footage from Police Body Cameras can only be released to the public with a court order. And this week a judge ruled against releasing the brown footage at this time. Two weeks before brown was killed by Police Lawmakers in North Carolina introduced a bill that would require all Law Enforcement agencies in the state to release any Body Camera Footage as a Public Record after 48 hour. Joining us now is one of the cosponsors of that North Carolina bill, state senator don davis. Senator, good to see you. Thank you for being with us. Im curious as to the response youre getting against your proposal including from the judge who didnt come up with a particularly compelling reason for not having the video in this particular case released publicly. Ali, let me say truly im glad to be with you. And first and foremost, my heart goes out to the brown family and the community here in North Carolina. To the family and community, i want it to be loud and clear that weve heard the demands for transparency and accountability, and that to me is what this is about. Thats why you see this legislation and the need to get this footage released not only to the family but to the public and even to the Law Enforcement community. And you got this started before this particular killing that has made the news. One of the things according to the observer is that if there was some reason not to release it in the Public Interest itd have to be released within 48 hours unless the agency that is responsible for it, whatever Policing Agency it is, receives a court order to seal the vido for a set amount of time. Youd like the default to be it gets released in 48 hours unless someone can prove to a court that theres some negative effect to doing so. Absolutely. And what we believe in this case, what happens if you after 48 hours allow that Review Process to happen and to therefore make it public, it gets it out to the public much faster. And what were seeing right now honestly i believe erodes public trust. Senator, tell me what you think comes of this. Because youve got a governor whos in favor of having these videos released. Youve got local officials in Elizabeth City calling on it to be released. Do you know why the judge decided in this case not to do so when theres so much Public Interest in this . Well, ill tell you were still looking at this whole scenario and ive been in communication with other lawmakers, and were examining this whole process. And i believe we need a process that works for the people. We still have protesters out as we speak right now. Theres loud cries for this to become public. And ive heard those cries and we remain committed to taking every step to make that happen for the people of North Carolina. Senator, good to talk to you. Thank you for joining us, North Carolina state senator don davis is with the North Carolina general assembly. Coming up the Biden Administration announced a big step this week to keep Kids Fed In School Next year. The economys improving a lot but theres still so many people struggling to survive, literally struggling to eat and feed their kids. Thats next. Struggling to eat and feed their kids thats next. 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It means hunger or living in fear of hunger. The pandemic had devastating e fe effects on food security. The u. S. Government said theyd extend free lunch to children through the end of next full year and President Biden issued an Executive Order asking for other programs. Joining us now are jim mcgovern of massachusetts, the head of the house hunger caucus. Thank you both for joining us. Representative mcgovern you would like to have a Hunger Conference convened. We had one in 1969 and remarkable things came out of it including the school lunch program, the school break fast program, s. N. A. P. For woman, infants and children and you say this crisis is much more serious than people who dont go hungry believe it to be. First of all rngs i thank you for having me and all that you have down to call attention to the issue of hunger in america. This is time for another conference. We have a Hunger Problem in this country and one of the challenges that we face in solving it is that the jurisdiction to solve it falls under the multiple committees, multiple agencies. A white house conference could pull everybody together, anybody relevant in solving this problem, bringing together in one room and develop a road map with benchmarks to end hunger and i want included in that room those with lived experiences, those going through dealing with hunger. So this is the moment. We have 45 million americans who are hungry. We should be ashamed of that. We are the richest country in the History Of The World and as chairman of the rules committee we began series of hearings to work with the other committees to help build a the record that we can give to the white house and hopefully to do this white house conference on food, nutrition and hunger. I talked to the white house and secretaries and i think supportive of the idea but nows the time to have that conference and end hunger. Jean, this whole idea of hearing from people in a conference like that who have a lived experience of huchker you see and people talk to people every day who have that lived experience and a thing that struck you in the last year is what happens when you encounter somebody whos new to hunger or Food Insecurity. The remarkable fear that goes through you. It embarrasses you. You dont know the Resources Available to you and sometimes the food bank is a first stop. Absolutely. Thank you for having me on the show. Its a pleasure to be here. In fact, in april of 2020, the first full month of the pandemic the Worcester County food bank and our network of Food Pantries saw a 205 increase in the number of people going to a food pantry for the first time. Compared to april 2019. These are people who until recently had worked in Nonessential Service jobs, retail and the hospitality industry. People like marie when i answered the phone i could detect the panic that was in maries voice explaining to me that she had three children, laid off. She had never had trouble feeding her family before and she didnt know who to turn to or where to go and she was trying to pay the bills and it was a real scramble. While she waited for unemployment to be approved. So the first thing we did was we took a deep breathe together and i told her she had come to the right place. I gave her assistance on how to apply for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program and the school to go to get Takeout Meals for her children and then looked up the food pantry closest to where she lives and discovered that it was closed. So i invited her to come to the food bank because i didnt want her to go without food for a moment or the family. The pantry would be open the next day and that was too long for her to wait and when she came to the food bank and we brought out boxes of fresh food rngs frozen food and nonperishable food items she met us with a smile and tears of relief but she is one of Tens Of Thousands of people who had never needed to go to a food pantry before the pandemic gave them little choice. And when i met with her she reminded me of my neighbor and thats when i thought thats who the food bank and the Food Pantry Partners help. We help our neighbors whether they live next door, around the corner or across town and kids who are in school with our kids and grand kids and Senior Citizens who stand next to the Market Checkout Line with us. You know, some of congressman mcgoverns colleagues in Congress Said the expanded aid to people discourages work. What have you seen as a result of expanded aid to people without an income right now . Let me just say that those who are criticizing President Biden and thank god that we have a president that recognizes we have a Hunger Problem in this country but the bottom line is if government is not there to help solve this problem then i dont know what Good Government is. And the bottom line is the one of the statistics to tell you is that the people say to me all the time people should just go to work. The majority of people able bodied who can work who are on s. N. A. P. They do work. The majority of they want to work. They earn so little so we need this white house conference to look at the issue wholistically to address the challenges that you outlined and we can do this. We can end hunger in our country. Congressman, if you get that white house conference on hunger i will make sure that we cover it extensively on msnbc. This is a crucial matter and doesnt need to exist. Thank you. Thank you for putting a real face on this for us to understand those who tonight are not sure where tomorrows food comes from. Jean mcmurray in massachusetts. You can catch me tomorrow on my show at 8 00 a. M. And learn more about the raid on trump lawyer Rudy Giulianis apartment and talk to former trump lawyer Motor Vehicle whos lived this moment for himself. On sunday joiped by the former Current White House economic adviser heather boushey. The 11th hour with Brian Williams begins now. Good evening once again. Day 101 of the Biden Administration. While the president is pushing