Once again, Police Reform in america in sharp focus. In hopes of triggering change demonstrators are still taking to the city. The city of chicago bracing for another night of protests, demanding accountability in the policeinvolved Shooting Death of 13yearold Adam Toledo. Video of the March Shows Toledo was unarmed with his hands in the air as the officer fired his weapon. It comes after weeks of watching the Murder Trial of Derek Chauvin Play Out In Realtime from minneapolis. The former officer is accused of killing George Floyd last summer the jury expected to begin deliberating in the coming days. The nation on edge ahead of the verdict as The New York Times reports since testimony began on March 29th at least 64 people have died at the hands of Law Enforcement nationwide with black and latino people representing more than half of the dead. Breaking tonight in the city of Brooklyn Center, minnesota, the Citys Mayor just issued a citywide curfew until Tomorrow Morning the curfew follows months of protests, his mother is demanding answers. Shes pushing for the now former Brooklyn Center charged in his killing to be held accountable. Accountability is hard to bring in a country where its not written into law, the way to change that would be through the George Floyd policing act it remains how congress can do with a Republican Party unwilling moving further to the right and the Democratic Party unable to pass it alone because of the Filibuster Hardright conservatives in the house are now floating the idea of creating an America First Caucus. Democratic congressman on the prospects of this new caucus. It sounds like the Ku Klux caucus like this. Are we going to have the Prohate Caucus and the stormtrooper caucus. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Steve King are teetering to the likes of David Duke and others. Lieuie gohmert said hes looking at joining the caucus. Last night texas congressman Taylor Greene is attacking the media now blaming her staff for a Draft Proposal of the caucus getting leaked to the media. She says she didnt even read it and vows to continue promoting donald trumps America First agenda. Meanwhile, Gop Minority Leader Kevin Mccarthy is trying to push back against the extreme wing of his own party. He tweeted, quote, the Republican Party is The Party of lincoln, not nativist dog whistles. With all of this, what does accountability look like with half of congress and the country unable to see problems to fix . Joining me now, rashad robinson, president of color of change, and Nicole Gonzalez Van cleave, shes an Associate Professor of sociology at Brown University and the author of Crook County Racism and injustice in americas largest criminal court. Nicole, i want to start with the Police Killing of Adam Toledo. Prosecutors originally said the 13yearold had a gun in his hand when an officer shot him. The Police Video clearly shows that is not the case. You argue that this type of defense is baked into the culture in Cook County and other jurisdictions across the country. Tell me more. I think what most americans dont understand is that prosecutors align themselves with police all the time. They need police to Win Cases and if they dont Win Cases, they dont get promoted. So in some ways, when something goes wrong, like the Shooting Death of a child, no matter what happens, what the police say, this happens in patterned ways. Its taught through generations of prosecutors. Theres no manual to look this up. Its just part of the training. In my research in Cook County, in chicago, we saw this in the Laquan Mcdonald case. Once the officer shot Laquan Mcdonald 16 times, there was a whole protocol that went into place to cover it up, everything from tampering with videos to arresting witnesses and a prosecutor going along with it and unwilling to charge the officer. In some ways, chicago is reliving this again and again, and absolutely no reforms have been put in place despite the fact that the Department Of Justice went into the city of chicago, examined patterns of practice, showed an enormous amount of abuse, even tasering children. Of the 100 reforms, only 25 have an enacted and most of them symbolic. This death could have been prevented. But what we saw with the prosecution, it is a pattern. It is the way they do business in chicago but in jurisdictions across the nation. Rashad, this week chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot spoke of the long history of Police Shootings in her city, how it takes a toll on its citizens. Take a listen. We live in a city that is traumatized by a long history of Police Violence and misconduct. So while we dont have enough information to be the Judge And Jury of this particular situation, it is certainly understandable why so many of our residents are feeling that all too familiar outrage and pain. Its even clearer that trust between our communities and Law Enforcement is far from healed and remains badly broken. Rashad, does broken trust adequately capture what chicago is grappling with . Absolutely not. Seeing Mayor Lightfoot who spent a career defending police in many cases in chicago, supposed to be having oversight over the police but before she even became mayor. You know, i couldnt agree with the statement more from before. If we dont actually deal with deep systemic change, downsizing policing, we will have impotent policies that cut around the edges that actually dont get to the heart of it. The States Attorney in Cook County, kim foxx, went to stop prosecuting lowlevel offenses, what we talk about is poverty crime. The Fraternal Order Of Police in chicago marched on her office, their constitutional right, but they marched on her office according to the Chicago Sun times with four white national ist groups including the proud boys. They marched in front of the first black woman Cook County States Attorney and took out pictures of her face and they rubbed them on their crotches. Then the next day they get to go back into our communities, put on their badges, put on their guns and supposedly protect and serve. This is actually what were dealing with, a system and a structure that is broken at its very core where white nationalists are being harbored and where a system where police will get off every single time and the system will defend them time and time again because it is okay to kill black and brown people in not just in chicago, but all around this country. Until we downsize policing, until we have real accountability like ending qualified immunity, until we get the millions upon millions of dollars that Police Unions inject into elections, more transparent, we will end up in this situation time and time again. Nicole, the Word Accountability gets tossed around a lot when it comes to Police Reform, and often thats framed around an individual officers actions in a case. How do we hold institutions accountable, the same institutions that trained these officers . Well, right now, were almost doing the exact opposite. We are paying for this brand of policing. So Mayor Lightfoot may say all the political spin she wants, but in 2020 she allocated along with the City Council 153 Million for police misconduct. Its as though she preemptively anticipated a level of Failure And Violence that would be enacted in black and brown communities and is happy to create a blank check, rather than going in and doing the tough political job of saying we will not write a check for this level of violence. That would be a part of the accountability. We also have a database that shows by the invisible institute that shows the misconduct of individual officers. And it shows that its systemic. Police unions elected in chicago one of the worst among them, a president , a Union President that had more infractions, more excessive useofforce accusations than almost any other person in the chicago police. So this idea that we have good cops, well, the majority of them voted for one of the worst among them. And so, again, its going to take political will from these cities to stop writing this blank check. Thats the first place it needs to be. Rashad, where does that political will come from . That political will is going to have to come at the local level. As we hold prosecutors accountable and elect new prosecutors. And from mayors, where we push back on these Ballooning Budgets of Police Departments and downsize policing. And then we actually have to get to things like ending the filibuster so we can get to the longterm reform. But make no mistake. The George Floyd act has a lot of things in there thats important, but it actually gives more money to police around the country, more money into this system, in this structure of policing that we know has to be downsized. Just like guns, we cant actually have impotent Gun Laws and expect to get things moving. We have to remove guns from The Streets just like we have to remove violent policing. Thank you both so much. Joining us now to continue this conversation, former Hud Secretary and former 2020 democratic president ial candidate, julian castro. Secretary castro, i want to begin with reports of Farright House members forming a new caucus to protect, quote, anglosaxon political traditions. And the reason i want to start with that is that i think that there is a truth baked in there, right . Which is that there is a fundamental disagreement about whos an american, who deserves the protections of being an american, who is seen as deserving the privileges of being an american, and who is seen as a threat. If you cannot grapple with those fundamental questions, then can you really pivot to the types of reforms that we were just talking about . Well, of course they cant. The Republican Party continues its march toward becoming fully the white power party. This is the vision of donald trump, the vision of stephen miller, and this what used to be a radical Fringe Group on the right that takes up more of the Main Street of the Republican Party today. I think thats one of the reasons, as you know, alicia, that just a few days ago, gallup reported that the number of americans who identify themselves as democrat versus republican has actually shot up. Democrats have something like a Ninepoint Advantage right now. Which is the biggest that we have seen in a while. And a lot more people who used to be republican now consider themselves independent. So i think a lot of americans do get where the Republican Party is going, this white power party, and theyre disagreeing with it. And the people that are left behind are going to be ineffective, theyre going to lose more and more elections. Either theyre going to radically change course or theyre going to become extinct as a party. When you talk about reforming policing in america, going back to your 2020 run, and in response to the Adam Toledo shooting in chicago, how do you think that could change policing in america . I think this is one thing that can help make a difference. The national use of Force Standard would say whether youre in windsor, virginia, or youre in chicago, or youre in Brooklyn Center, minnesota, wherever you are, that there should be a national use of Force Standard. Basically an officer should not use force with his or her weapon unless all other reasonable means have been exhausted under the circumstances. And if a Police Department doesnt adopt that standard, then federal funds could be withheld, federal funds often help Police Departments cover the resources that they need for different things. So theyre very important to these local departments. I believe the federal government should play a role in moving toward one reliable, justifiable useofForce Standard. Thats just the tip of the iceberg. As your two previous guests were saying, we need to do so many things from demilitarizing the police to tackling these Police Unions, to ensuring we have much more Accountability And Transparency at the local level, to using the federal government to investigating immediately Police Departments that show a pattern of racial discrimination and whose ranks are not diverse, just a number of different things that we need to do to reimagine public safety. And the last thing ill say, there have been some cities that have made progress like Denvers Star Program which uses Mental Health Experts when somebody is facing a mental Health Crisis instead of sending a police officer. And theyve had tremendous success in avoiding violence, avoiding people getting shot. Even avoiding arrests and instead getting people the help that they need. We need to do more of that. Secretary castro, i have a minute left. Adam toledo was, of course, latino. His death shining a light on the fact that latinos are killed by police at disproportionate rates. Data analyzed by the Washington Post shows that in the last five years latinos have been killed by police at the second highest rate after black americans. There are many latinos who also are black. How does it complicate the conversation when you begin to grapple with that additional reality . Well, it just shows that you have many people who are targeted, who are more likely to encounter Police Violence. The good news is that you also have a lot of alliances that have been forged, black and brown alliances in this country in community after community. You see it in chicago. I think you see it in the minneapolis area. And we need to continue to do that. We also saw, alicia, that sometimes, for instance, in the lieutenant nazario case, you had an afrolatino and you had a latino officer who was the one that mistreated him. So this goes all different ways. But at the end of the day, no matter what Color Somebody is, they should be treated with the same respect that Anybody Else would get in this country and no matter the background of the officer, they should be held to the same standard as Anybody Else. Secretary castro, thank you for joining us. Next, Secret Service arrests. A Florida Nurse for threatening the Vice President s life. Plus, prosecutors secure the the first guilty plea tied to the capitol insurrection. Frank figliuzzi and Malcolm Nance tell us what it could mean for the future of the investigation. And later, with news that the Johnson Johnson Vaccine was put on pause, what do you need to know . Well ask an expert ahead on American Voices. Cell phone repair. Did you know Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . Just get a quote at libertymutual. Com. Really . Ill check that out. Oh yeah. I think i might get a quote. Not again aah, come on rice. Do your thing. 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And i think if you were fighting that day, i dont think this will ever feel normal. 100 days since the deadly Insurrection And Capitol police now face new criticism for failing to prepare their officers. An inspector generals report into the riot reveals Capitol Police had Aging Equipment and inadequate training. The report finds leadership ignored intelligence ahead of January 6th showing planned protests could become, quote, a significantly dangerous situation for Law Enforcement and the General Public alike. The Acting Chief of Capitol Police denies the agency missed that intelligence in an exclusive interview with Nbc News. The department did act on it. We brought in essentially every employee that we had available. We had a Security Posture that was expanded because of that intelligence. Joining me now, Msnbc Terrorism analyst, Malcolm Nance, hes the author of the plot to betray america. Also with me, msnbc national Security Analyst frank figliuzzi. Hes the author of the fbi way. Frank, the justice departments already charged more than 400 people in connection with the riot, but authorities are still working to identify that pipe bomber. With Fbi Director Chris Wray providing this update to congress. Take a listen. Its a very active, ongoing investigation and in some ways a specific part of the January 6th larger investigation that we are most concerned about and view in certain respects as one of the most serious pieces of it. Frank, can you walk us through the Time Line were looking at here when it comes to the announcement of those charges . Well, i wish i could predict the future on when theyre going to have this person in handcuffs, but my Instinct And Experience tells me, alicia, theres more to this than meets the eye. Its likely some delay is occurring because they may be looking at more than one person who helped make and plant this bomb. It may not be that it was a single perpetrator that both designed and acquired the materials and then placed it. They may want to wrap up a cell or a couple of colleagues who conspired to do this before they move in and lose or have someone else flee. I know theyre actively working it and i know theyre very concerned that someone with the capability to make a live bomb is still out there. Malcolm, Nbcs Carol Lee reports members of the Special Forces have been spreading conspiracy theories, making racist comments in secret facebook groups. Some even mocking the defense secretarys efforts to combat extremism. Whats the pentagons plan, malcolm, to prevent other soldiers from being radicalized like this . Well, you know, a lot of people who join the Armed Forces are already radicalized. One of the most famous terrorists Timothy Mcveigh was radicalized by his platoon sergeants. One of the things you Cant Stop is small Talk And Scuttlebutt they may pass in the privacy of their own rooms. What we can do is we monitor Phone Communications and Cell Phone communications when out on exercises, and we can find out from their Chain Of Command people who are now talking about this. We had that case just recently of a Navy Department Employee who wore his mustache like hitler and talked about the genocide as being fake all the time in his space around members of the Armed Forces. He wasnt found out until much later. So now that we have a topdown effort to do that, to root these people out, its going to be a little easier to find out whos radical on all sides. Theres a story were following today. A Florida Nurse just arrested for making Death Threats against Vice President kamala harris. Talk to us about the moment were in, frank, with the threats against elected officials and the role that Law Enforcement is having to play. You know, i note that following this arrest the Womans Mother made a comment to the press that said please dont punish her. She simply believes what people tell her. Well, heres the issue. There are over 400 people arrested for their role on January 6th. Why . Because they simply believed what people told them. This woman was moved toward violence, an assassination of our Vice President , because she believes what people tell her. For those who say you have to be mentally ill to make a Death Threat against the Vice President , i say this. We have too many americans who are simply believing what theyre told and that means they can be radicalized and have been over the last four or five years and they continue to pose a threat to us. Stop believing what other people tell you. Start investigating your own facts. Be an intelligent consumer of information. Malcolm, i realize were talking about a Grab Bag of security threats, but i want your reaction to the russia news, the Treasury Department confirming there was collusion between russia and the Trump Campaign. What did we learn from the sanctions announced this week . Well, for the most part we understand that russia had active agents inside the united states government. This should be no surprise to msnbc listeners, many of us on this channel, myself included, were called Conspiracy Theorists when we had predicted that this is what all the evidence was indicating back in 2016 and 2017, well before the Mueller Report came out and started giving us even more evidence. Now the Treasury Department by going after kilimnik, calling him essentially an agent of foreign intelligence agency, identifying and validating that he had turned over paul manafort, trumps Campaign Manager had turned over key data to this foreign Intelligence Asset means that there was collusion between the Trump Campaign and russian intelligence. The question is now, are we going to find out whether it goes further than manafort . Malcolm and frank, thank you both so much. 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Back to American Voices in just a moment but first were monitoring the protests in Brooklyn Center, minnesota, for you, a curfew goes in effect at top of this hour. Cal perry is there with the latest. Reporter six consecutive day of protest well under way here in Brooklyn Center. The crowd is smaller than what we saw last night. Last night they started rocking this fence and this is the fence that police put in to separate the Police Agency from the crowd. At 10 00 they came here and marched down this road, they basically detained everybody on The Street for a short period of time but arrested 136 protesters more than we have seen in a full week of protests thus far. Theres a curfew in Effect Tonight at 11 00 local time tonight, Thats Midnight eastern. If the protests stay peaceful they wont come into The Street again. Last nights protests were disrupted after one of the fences around the Police Building was momentarily breached. Well continue to monitor the situation. 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Congressman, you were just on fire about this on twitter, and i felt like you were being constrained by the 140 characters you were allowed. Im not going to be teaming up with any of these racists, white supremacists. The idea that theyre putting this organization together because they want to highlight the superiority of the Anglosaxon Culture is in and of itself racist. We had tons of caucuses. We had the irish american caucus, we have the hispanic caucus, we have the progressive caucus, we have the black caucus, but none of those caucuses purport to be one thing better than the other. If anything, theyre just advocating for their communities and their values, right . This idea that these racists are trying to push are basically a rehash of the nonothing parties of many years ago. America first was some of the terminology used back in the day. Its not even a dog whistle. It is a loud bark of Racism And None of us should stand for it. Im glad sounds like only a few of the wackadoodles have decided to join this caucus. But, you know, i dont think many of us will be working with them. On the other hand, the other thing to remember is many of these members dont anything many of them are trolls. They dont pass legislation or do any work. Maybe there are constituents like that, but we certainly dont. If this caucus launches, do you agree with Adam Kinzinger that anyone who joins it should have their committees stripped . I do. The other thing is Speaker Pelosi and Leader Mccarthy can get together and just deny the funds for them to actually start this caucus. We dont have to fund this caucus. We could just say that this caucus should not come into existence because it is clearly a white supremacist caucus. Its an embarrassment to the united states that we do this. Were a multicultural country and we are a country that is stronger because weve all mixed together and made this country what it is right now. Even the idea of anglosaxon, you know, culture, i think, is kind of, you know, not really historic. I mean, they were overrun by the normans and that Anglosaxon Culture was replaced. But i dont think Marjorie Taylor Greene really knows history, so i guess i shouldnt be surprised. I do want to turn to President Bidens announcement on withdrawing u. S. Troops from afghanistan by september 11th. Take a listen. When i came to office, i inherited a diplomatic agreement dually negotiated between the government of the united states and the taliban that all u. S. Forces would be out of afghanistan by may 1, 2021. Just three months after my inauguration, thats what we inherited, that commitment. Its perhaps not what i would have negotiated myself, but it was an agreement made by the united states government. And that means something. Congressman, as someone who served, your reaction to this Withdrawal Plan . So ill never be as close to the issue, i think, as the men and women that serve in afghanistan. I served in iraq. But i think for many of us that have existed in the, quote unquote, Global War On Terrorism time, you know, i honestly feel like this is closure. It was time for us to move on. The country had done everything it can. We hit all of our objectives, and whatever we did in the last 20 years was not going to change what more we could do for the next 20 years. At the end of the day, i did not want to be the person that has to ask how many more men and women had to die before it was time to go. Were still going to be involved One Way Or Another with afghanistan. Were still going to be there in support. But we are no longer going to be their main, you know, battle buddies. They have to take care of themselves. We have greater problems that we need to deal with and having an everlasting Long War is never good. 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Pediatric hospitalizations in michigan at a record high. This as we learned for now we will have to fight this pandemic using one less tool in our toolbox. The fda recommending a pause in the use of the Johnson Johnson Vaccine due to a handful of reports of Blood Clotting among the millions who have received it. Im joined now by dr. Bedalya. An infectious disease specialist. Doctor, good to see you. The fda this week hit the Pause Button on the J J Vaccine after six women developed a rare Blood Clotting disorder. I want to say i am among those americans who received the Johnson Johnson Vaccine prior to that pause. I feel good. I am watching for symptoms. I mean, i think there are a lot of folks, though, who are watching this news unfold and wondering how concerned they ought to be. Well, alicia, i think with the numbers that we have, even if you put it against the numbers weve seen in astrazeneca, which is a vaccine with similar technology, the incidence of them is rare. If you think of the Blood Clots with Birth Control pills and pregnancy, i think the reason this pause was put into place is they wanted to gather the data and potentially provide just as a sign to medical providers to be on the lookout for these types of conditions in their patients. The critics of this pause, which is now being extended to the 23rd until the cdcs Advisory Community meets again, look, this is so rare. You know, the fact that its not occurring in all age groups, they could have potentially either just put out this guidance and opened it up to those who are potentially over 50 or they could have simply not had a pause at all and just had physicians take a closer look. At patients in this age group. I think its a complex issue. In my view, if we can take the pause and gather the data, maybe when we come back and restart the vaccinations, they will actually breed more confidence and potentially lower the vaccine hesitation. But its just too complex an issue right now to comment on. Right. I want to underline part of what youre saying, though. Dr. Fauci was on with my Colleague Joy Reid last night and addressed this issue of people canceling Vaccine Appointments because of distrust over the Johnson Johnson pause. Take a listen. So if we were going to put a pause on one in 1 million, then all the other vaccines, the mrna that we were talking about, the pfizer and the moderna, there should be no reason whatsoever to cancel an appointment because the same Surveillance System that picked up the six would have picked up something with the others, and there was nothing there, no red flags. So theres no real logical reason not to get vaccinated. What do you make of dr. Faucis argument there, the idea that the fdas moves should actually give more People Confidence in the system . Alicia, i think its in the same, sort of, theme of what i am saying. Which is that, honestly, look. The the fact that this pause was taken. The fact that this Evenveryrare Side Effect was picked up for Johnson Johnson actually should breed greater confidence, both both, in sort of overall monitoring to look for these side effects. But also, the fact that, when they appear, the right steps are being taken and potentially overly cautious steps but, you know, steps are being taken to make sure that every aspect of this issue, potential link to the vaccine. Potentially, finding those who are at highest risk for these side effects. All that work is being done so that people can be confident when they receive these vaccines. It is it is safe and they continue to be safe. And as you said, i think this vaccine hesitancy, comes at a really tough time. Because we are seeing those cases go up because of the increase in variants in this country. Doctor, thank you so much for your time. 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Joining me now, Zerlina Maxwell, host of Zerlina On Peacock and senior director of Progressive Programming for sirius xm. Hey, zerlina. I want to start with Senator Cornyn and what seems to be his lack of understanding of satire. Here is the exchange between he and clarke. You seemed to argue that africanamericans were genetically superior to caucasians, is that correct . No, senator. That i believe, youre referring to an oped that i wrote at the age of 19 about the Bell Curve theory. A Racist Book that equated dna with genetics and race. As a black student at harvard, that time, we took grave offense to this book. This oped opened with a satirical reference to to the statement that you just noted. This was satire . Absolutely, senator. Zerlina, do you want to bet that he doesnt know what satire is . Or do you want to bet that he willfully ignored the fact that this was satire . You know, in this case, i am actually not sure, alicia. But, i think that, you know, the Bottom Line is its pretty funny that one of the mistakes he made has to do with something like like the Bell Curve. And republicans acting like Kristen Clarke is the person who has these racist beliefs when its really folks, in their own party, who have been saying things along the lines of some of the arguments made in the Bell Curve. The Bell Curve is essentially the scientific pseudoscientific basis for white supremacy. Saying that, you know, the the size of a black Persons Skull means that they are inferior to a white person. And so, you know, that the Bell Curve and the basis for this racism has led to a lot of ugly things in american history. And its something that we have to think about really critically, today. I think Kristen Clarke, in some ways, is just a mirror held up to this currentRepublican Party. And they dont like what they see. Right. I thought that that was so interesting. That you, very much, have such a sharp contrast in this moment. When you talk about racism in america. And the Partys Willingness to grapple with these questions. I think Thats Part of why this attracted so much attention, zerlina, right . That, it wasnt just about this moment. It wasnt just about the fact that he was ignoring that it was satire. It wasnt just about how well prepared she was for that moment. She was clearly very prepared. Knew they were going to try to make an issue of this. Its about the fact that it it it it represents the more fundamental contrasts between the two parties in this moment. Exactly, and i think that, you know, the Republican Party. They represent a Shrinking Portion of the american voting population. And they know that. And one of the things they would like to say is that Kristen Clarke is some radical, and that she she hates american institutions of government. But shes worked for these institutions. Shes not antiLaw Enforcement. Law enforcement organizations have written letters, in support of her. Saying that she was an excellent ally, as a prosecutor. So, somebody who hates those institutions is not going to continually work within them. Sure, she thinks that certain institutions should be reformed, like the police. But, i dont know. I guess, republicans are in a place where they want to, both, be on the side of Law And Order and the police. But they want us to completely forget the fact that they lied about the election, and led to a violent insurrection that cost the lives of Law Enforcement. All right. Zerlina maxwell, thank you so much. Can see zerlina every weekday at 6 00 p. M. Eastern streaming on peacocks the choice. I never miss it. That is all the time i have for today. I am alicia menendez. A quick programming note. Tomorrow at 6 00 p. M. Eastern, Ari Melber is going to host a special Hour Previewing Closing Arguments in the Derek Chauvin Murder Trial. And then, i am going to see you back here at 7 00 p. M. For more American Voices. But for now, i hand it over to my colleague, joshua johnson. Hi, joshua. Hi, alicia. Thank you very much. And hello to you. It is very good to be with you tonight. People across the nation are taking to The Streets over Police Violence, again. This week, hundreds of people have been arrested in connection to protests. Our reporters have been speaking with residents and officials after the deaths of Daunte Wright and Adam Toledo. They are live in a moment. Plus, our weekly special on the trial of Derek Chauvin. The jury is gearing up for closing arguments, how soon will we have a verdict . From Nbc News World Headquarters in new york, im joshua johnson. Welcome to the week. Two cities are grieving young lives, lost, in officerinvolved shootings. This week, residents protested in chicago, and in Brooklyn Center, near minneapolis. Brooklyn Centers Mayor has issued a citywide curfew