Slip, there was no Curse Word there, there was no encoded message. I promise you that if i was going to put a secret coated message in a script i would go like to make it less subtle. Thatll be your Secret Code if i ever say then you will know that im sending a code. Thatll be ordeal. But no i didnt accidentally swear or disclose classified information. I dont have any classified information. Who trust me with it . That is going to do it for us tonight. See you again tomorrow. Now it is time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening. I just think that they wore warming up the Bleak Machine for me. Have you ever been believed on your show . I have not been believed. As much as i deserve it, i have yet to be bleeped. Speaking of classified information, you are going to love this transition. A chairman Adam Schiff is going to join us with his reaction to the revelations today. He might know this answer and might not be able to tell us and that is, when did we know . When did we know whats Konstantin Kilimnik did with that information . When did the united states know that . Was it during the Trump Administration . . Was it suppressed by them . Especially when the Intelligence Committee said just last year, we dont know anything about what he did and who he talked because we did not have any visibility at all in this communication. Do we knew we have this information because of some new capability that gives us visibility into something that we previously could not see . Or did some part of the government know this, under trump, and they did not feel safe saying it until trump was gone . It is such a bombshell it is so fascinating that they released it in this specific way today. I am totally riveted by the story. There are two possible dimensions to the Trump Suppression of information. They had, the president knew they had, the president basically suppressed it. Donald trump suppressed it himself. Or, they had it, they suppress did themselves at the bureaucratic level, afraid of letting it go up to Donald Trump. Not knowing what he might do with it. Or, it is newly developed, they have some new technology, some new method that allows them to do this. But if its not new the oversight, the committees in congress including chairman Adam Schiff that oversees that committee, they should know of all people that they may not be able to tell us, but they should know if the Intelligence Committee has some newly developed capabilities that allows them to disclose it to the american people. They should know if its new or if this is something that the government has been sitting on. Were gonna listen very carefully to his answer. He might just say, no we did not know that. But if he says anything other than know we did not know that, i think we have to listen very carefully to what he might be saying. Im going to sit right here in see you do that interview. Thank you rachel. Thank you lawrence. As the trial of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd is completed the final day of witness testimony, it has become ever more clear that this country is just beginning to reckon with the challenge that Police Use of deadly force presents to our Founding Guarantee of a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For a couple of hundred years, the problem was ignored. Then, in the second half of the 20th century, civil Rights Lawyer started, just started to take notice of unjustifiable killings by Police Officers, especially of unarmed black men. Police officers and Police Departments began to face civil Rights Lawsuit for wrongful deaths, but almost no Police Officers were effort charged criminally for an justifiably killing a person. Then came the age of video including Police Body Cam video, it is just beginning to understand what Black Americans always understood through Life Experience about unjustifiable Police Use of deadly force. We have protesters taking to the streets again tonight in Brooklyn Center Minnesota over the Police Shooting and killing of an unarmed Black Man during the Derek Chauvin trial, for the murder of George Floyd. It happened ten miles away in minneapolis, and we have protesters in the streets of Chicago Tonight after Police Body Cam video was released today showing a 13 year old, black boy, killed by a single gunshot. From a chicago Police Officers firearm. At 2 30 am on march 29th, the Police Officer began chasing 13 year old, adam toledo, down a dark alley, after police reports of gunshots fired in the area went out on police radio. We are going to show you a portion of that video and freeze it at the point when the shot is fired. The New York Times describes the video this way, the video the key section of which takes place in a matter of about one second, leaves significant questions about the sequence of events and whether the boy was armed at the moment he was shocked. The New York Times slowed down the police video, as well as a second video released by the authorities. As the officer fires the single shot, adam is raising his arms and appears to be empty handed. In the moments before the shooting, the times analysis shows, adam can be seen holding what appears to be a gun, which he drops behind a wooden fence just before he raises his hands. We will now show you a portion of that video which i much one you is deeply disturbing, but the portion of the video that we are not showing is much more disturbing, really unwatchable, because it shows the boy lying on the ground dine. Here is the video of the Police Pursuit and the shot. Stop. Show me your hands. Drop it. Shots fired, get an ambulance here now. Look at me. Are you all right . Where were you shot . The west ali, i need an ambulance guys, shots fired by the police. Chicago mayor who is the mother of a 13 year old said this today before the video was released. Let me just say that it is incredibly difficult to watch, particularly at The End. I say that not only as a mother of a 13 year old myself, but about a mayor that is passionate in protecting our young. We are a city that is traumatized by police conduct. It is understandable by so many of our residents, our feelings of outrage and pain. And it is even clear that the trust between our Community And Law enforcement is far from healed and remains badly broken. Today, former Police Officer Kimberly Potter made her first Court Appearance in minnesota on zoom. She spoke only to confirm her presence at the hearing, Kimberly Potter is charged with second degree manslaughter, her next Court Date is scheduled for may 17th. Today Daunte Wright Father said this. My son was very much loved, we loved him a lot. And the way he was killed, he did not deserve that. So i just wanted to say that i feel like i had to tell you guys what is going on is unfair. These young Black Man being killed. Can you blame my Son Anyone else for being scared of the police . Were teaching our kids how to act around police have i just had to say something thank you for listening. And just ten miles away from that, this morning, the defense rested in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd after Derek Chauvin decided there was nothing he could say to help his defense. Have you made a Decision Today about whether you intend to testify or whether you intend to invoke your fifth Amendment Privilege is . I will evoke my fifth Amendment Privilege today. The prosecution were called to the witness stand dr. Martin tobin to dismiss a fury raised yesterday by a doctor testifying for the defense saying that Carbon Monoxide Poisoning from the tailpipe of the Police Vehicle could have contributed to George Floyds death. I want to first ask you about the issue of mr. Floyd Potential Exposure to carbon monoxide. Were you able to hear the testimony regarding this yesterday . Yes i was. Were you able to see this particular slide and the highlighted statement at the bottom, in seven minutes mr. Floyds immunoglobin could have increased by ten to 15 . Yes i saw that. Would you tell us right off the bat, do you agree with that proposition that is highlighted . No, i do not. The 2 of immunoglobin is within the normal range. You and i have level somewhere between zero and three. So in other words, the statement that his levels couldve increased by ten to 15 , in your view, that is not possible . It is simply wrong. And it was at most 2 . 2 . Normal . I mean, which is normal. Joining us now a criminal Law Professor acts where he is the director of the d. C. Project, he is a former and ypg police detective. Also with us David Henderson and civil Rights Attorney and former prosecutor, and professor let me begin with you in the continuation and i guess the final session of our analysis of testimony, basically we had dr. Tobin come back onto the witness then today to simply say that what they heard the day before from the Defense Doctor was just wrong. He could not have been more clear about that. What was your reaction to this short round of testimony today by dr. Tobin . Lawrence, my reaction was twofold. First of all you hit the Nail Right on the head, he was very clear, he was very direct. That is something that we have not seen during the week, to a certain extent, he seemed very clear very direct. That was the first one [inaudible] of his Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. It took us all by surprise. The second purpose he served whether it was intended or not was to i guess, for better or worse, remind the jury whats a credible Expert Witness looked like. I think that is going to stay with the jury. We had a litany of defense witnesses this weekend as we have discussed, it they did not seem as credible as the witnesses that the Prosecution Put forward. Here, this is the last person that the jury sees, as far as witnesses are concerned. I do believe that people tend to remember the first thing that they saw, heard, and the last. I thought its very helpful for the prosecution to have mr. Tobin come back. And the judge has now given the jury and the law is a long weekend, no Session Tomorrow on friday, but final arguments will begin on monday. David henderson, in a trial like this, the lawyers can use every minute of that time preparing for those final arguments. What do you anticipate hearing in those arguments next week . Lawrence, i think your point about preparing as one of the smartest Thing Defense did was to burn out the clock. Well i think what youre going to hear on monday is the prosecution doing something that is very easy for us to forget especially in the light of some of the testimonies weve seen today and that is reminded jury of what they have heard over the past three weeks. We have been having conversations each night about this case, the Jury Wont get to deliberate until monday, and they need to be reminded of all the evidence that they have heard. The prosecution will also put the context on what the experts has testified about, i think Jay Blackwell is just the person to do it, because he has a person who handles cases is used to in contributing to someones death. And i think what the defense is going to do simply try to raise every instance that they can of an example of something that couldve contributed to George Floyds death, besides Derek Chauvins knee. That is essentially what should we expect on closing armaments on monday. Kirk burkhalter, it was an odd Thing Today for me watching mr. Chauvins decision not to testify because of the use of the first amendment which was introduced by his lawyer which was an unnecessary element of that discussion. Ive never heard a Defense Lawyer or judge for that matter in talking to a defendant about not testifying. Using the Fifth Amendment in that discussion because the Fifth Amendment of course includes the reason you are not testifying is that if you do you might actually incriminate yourself. Yes, lawrence, i actually dont necessarily understand that strategy by the defense. It was, even a lay person understands the Fifth Amendment. We are quote on quote gangsters with their Fifth Amendment rights, are incriminating. So when using some legal terms, legal doctrine, that the jury may be aware of but also may misinterpret. From the court, i think it was a smart move with regards to the judge because they want to be overturned on appeal for any kind of out of Court Deal without council and so forth. So, i think it was good as far as the court is concerned to get this on record. But yes i was rather confused also about invoking the Fifth Amendment. We dont see that quite often this type of. Case and dave henderson, this judge has issued an interesting hello, lets go live to indianapolis where were following a breaking News Story involving a shooting at a Fedex Facility here are the police. Lets listen. We came in contact with an active shooter and preliminary information at this time is that the shooter has taken his own life. We dont feel that there is an active threat to the community at this time. We have multiple people with injuries consistent with gunshot wounds. We have others that have been transported to various hospitals throughout the area. We are asking that if you have Family Members that work at fedex and you have not been able to make contact with them and you are responding out here, you go to the Holiday Inn express, located at eight five five five sam stead drive. I as long as other officers will be at that location for further assistance. Out of respect for the Family Members that are involved, [inaudible] bank you. So, that was local police in indianapolis. Here is what we know so far from what we just heard. There was a multiple shooting at a Fedex Authority in indianapolis. You hear the airplanes flying overhead. It is directly by the airport there. We understand that the shooter has actually taken their own life. Although people did suffer gunshot wounds. We do not know exactly how many. We know that some have been transported to the hospital. The police were just saying, as you just heard, that people have not heard from their Family Members are asked to go to the Holiday Inn express, which again is near the Airport And Check in with police there but once again, those of the police on the scene outside the Fedex Facility in indianapolis. We have no information as for a motive. We do understand that the shooter has taken their own life and that many and that other stay with nbc for continuing coverage and we will be following this all. Night thank you. 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For more reports they found that Paul Manafort shared Campaign Information with his Business Partner Konstantin kilimnik. According to the Mueller Report that information included quote, Manaforts Strategy for winning democratic votes in midwestern states. Donald trump won the Electoral College by winning those midwestern states. Konstantin kilimnik is one of 16 people and 16 entities that the biden Administration Sanction Today for russian interference in the 2020 election. The u. S. Intelligence community said in a report released last month that constant teen kilimnik quote, took steps throughout the 2020 Election Cycle to damage u. S. Ties to ukraine, denigrate President Biden and his candidacy and benefits former president trumps prospects for reelection. In announcing the new sanctions today, President Biden said this. When President Putin called me in january after sworn to congratulate him i told him that my administration would be looking very carefully now that we have access to all of the data at the issues that those set structures rolled. And then determine Whats Response to make. We spoke again this week, i told him that we would surely be responding in a Measure And Way that we have concluded that they had interfered in the election. If russia continues to interfere with our democracy and prepare to take for their actions to respond. All right, our next guest joins us for the next Impeachment Trial of Donald Trump, for seeking foreign interference in the 2020 election to harm the candidacy of Joe Biden. In 2016, he invited interference in our election, the day after that tragic chapter appeared to come to an end was bob muellers testimony. Donald trump was back on the phone at this time with another foreign power, ukraine. That once again, took in foreign help with his election. Joining us now is Congressman Adam Shift of california. Hes chairman of the house Intelligence Committee. Thank you very much for joining us mister chairman, and as rachel and i were discussing as the beginning of this hour, we were wondering what you knew and when you knew its about constant Teen Clinic passing information to Russian Intelligence. As you pointed out, the Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort, and Deputy Chairman, were giving data and strategic information about their strategy in the midwest to kilimnik who, the Deputy Chairman acknowledges they believe conspired. And in fact is the Treasury Department led by, and was providing this to Russian Intelligence. Not just Russian Intelligence but services that were involved in trying to help in trump winning. Election thats what most people would call collusion and no Collusion Crowd explains the. In terms of one do we notice i think we certainly knew for a long time the Trump Campaign was giving internal polling data and strategic information to someone linked to Russian Intelligence. But this goes further and it says that this was an Intelligence Agency that did this, a committee, with a bipartisan conclusion, and now we know that this information brought back to these intelligence agencies. So, pretty direct training here. Can you tell us if this was if this is, newly developed information, developed during the biden administration, or whether this was known within the Intelligence Community during the Trump Administration . You know, thats a good question. We certainly knew that there were links between kilimnik and Russian Intelligence. But this plea by the treasury goes further than anything ive seen. Now, it may very well be that the agencies have reached this conclusion before and i dont know whether that was shared or not shared. Its the first time that im seeing an imprint. And its the first time its been made. Public whatever is do you think we might end up learning . In what areas might we end up learning new things about 2016 or 2020 elections . Well, i think we will continue to learn more. This is frankly part of the intelligence process. When you get new information, when you get new data because it is historic data based on data given by the president. Its hard to tell, but i think as we are seeing now with this information about manafort, that either mower had the information but was or this is truly new information that the Trump Administration or during the biden administration im not clear exactly when it happened. What is your reaction to this sanction as they were issued today . Very powerful. It will definitely spit on the russian economy. Its the kind of sanction that the biden Administration Misconstrue is on. So, they had the flexibility to really clamp down further if the russians escalates or continue to engage in this kind of conduct. This kind of election interference, this kind of Cyber Hacking are attacking. I like the fact that theyre going after these russian private companies that are aiding in these constructive hacks and that they were going on after individuals in terms of russias illegal occupation of crimea. So, its pretty dramatic, i have to say. When i saw, and i thought, thank god that we have a president that again is willing to stand up to vladimir. Putin when you think that means in terms of our relations with russia right now in terms that putin understands clearly as of today more than before even the difference between dealing with a Trump Presidency in a biden presidency . First of all, hes not gonna manipulate the president just by flattering him, praising him in some way. The president is willing to follow through these are not hollow words that the president is taking action with. At the same time, i think the administration has been very smart and very open and saying, look, we are willing to meet with you are willing to sit down with you and we are willing to find common ground on things like nuclear arms. But if you engage in this other stuff, we are going to come after you. We are not fooling around. That is i think the way that you need to treat the russians which is telling which are gonna, do dont if they cross the, line make sure that you do. It would other devices, techniques, strategies, does the administration have beyond sanctions if there is more to respond to . You know, i think that the most powerful thing in sanctions sanctions have their limits. We have seen how limited the impacts of sanctions can be. But what this administration can do is rebuild our international alliance. Rebuild the multi national strategy when it comes to constraining bad actors like russia. We can strike them on the international institutions that have atrophied over the last 40 years. And give teeth to the Rule Of Law and the rule of of the road. So, Building International Partnerships is frankly something the terrifies russians. But more than that it also terrifies the chinese. The china has been really able to exploit the fact that traditional allies of ours thats not gonna be the case anymore. Chairman Adam Schiff, thank you very much for joining us again tonight, we really appreciate it mister chairman. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up, House Republicans have gone from lock her up to innocent until proven guilty, because a federal Criminal Investigation of Matt Gates for possible Sex Trafficking has more than just clintons former emails. Matt how well joins us next. S us next. 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. 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I always go back to this the republican party is in disarray and they dont stand for anything and they have really prominent and allowed supporters of Donald Trump who are finding themselves in a lot of trouble and Mats Gaetz is smart. Ill give him credit for this. Hes following the Donald Trump playbook of what to do when you are accused of incredibly serious allegations and i think, i dont know how long Kevin Mccarthy says innocent ill proven guilty is going to work, but certainly they need review his Committee Assignments because hes on one of the committees that oversees the justice department. The Judiciary Committee in the house. So, i think those are the kinds of decisions where republicans are gonna have to make the bigger picture go in facts that the details of this case are in the small details. Yes, there are sugar daddy. Com websites, but at The End of the day we are talking about young women who, if you have to emphasize well, she definitely just turned 18, and you are a grown congressman, then you have a lot of questions that the fbi certainly gonna want to ask you because thats not a good sign if you have to emphasize, no, i checked she just turned 18. I dont know what youre doing hanging out with high school students. Lets Take A Look at Moment Today were Kevin Mccarthy was asked by a what he knew about former Speaker Paul Ryan having to talk to Matt Gaetz, his staff having to talk to Matt Gaetz about his behavior and how to professionalize lets up his behavior as a congressman. When you watch Kevin Mccarthys answer, you will be able to see what Kevin Mccarthy looks like when he is lying. Lets Take A Look at that. When Paul Ryan was speaker, his staff and had a conversation back its about unprofessional conduct. Were you ever aware of any concerns about this conduct when you are a Majority Leader . When i was Majority Leader, i wasnt part of that discussion. I did not know about that, lots of times as speaker or later, we have discussions with members for the privacy, but i did not know about that until i read it in the article. John, if you want to watch Kevin Mccarthy lying on a loop, you just set up that piece where he says, i did not know about that. Rather than the article. This is a problem its not gonna go away for him. Yeah, thats why its not gonna go away for him until go way for him until Math Gaetz goes away for him. Which might be more than cavalry would like to acknowledge. I just like to point out that it seems a little strange to me that youre saying lawrence, you have isolated a moment until we finally can see whats Kevin Mccarthy looks like when hes lying, id say its something like 84 to 87 of the time that can mccarthys on camera he is lying. Thats a very common its not an unusual circumstance. I find it extraordinary given, you know Kevin Mccarthy is a sensible player here, despite having read widespread reporting over the course of the last few weeks in which republicans and others have been saying to Newspaper Journalist multiple newspapers and on television, that Matt Gaetz like to go around and made many women uncomfortable by showing them photographs of barely clad not necessarily of age, disconcertingly scummy, hula Hoop Kind of photographs. This was common knowledge to the republican caucus. It was sort of like, look at his twitter feed. Mccarthys claim right here is not just an obvious lie, it is a lie that makes him look absolutely out of touch with what he is supposed to be most in touch with. Right . Which is his caucus, his membership. The things that are going on. Hes the leader of this caucus, . 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Zerlina those Polling Numbers for Joe Biden are really impressive, but the ones that matter are his Polling Numbers in the united states senate. With a 50 50 senate. How do you get this Infrastructure Packet through . How does he convince Joe Manchin that there might have to be changes in the senate rules to do . That well ive been thinking a lot about Kirstjen Cinema and Joe Manchin in this particular moment in history, lawrence. And i know that Joe Manchin is certainly this sort of senator that Kirsten Cinema is not that way. So, they are very different personality wise. And understand the moment that were in. Do they want to be in the History Books as the two moderate senators that stood in the way of the protection of the voting right, of the black, brown indigenous and api voters that gave democrats the majority in the first place . Because they can go down in history as the folks that protected the rights of those people and those communities in the democratic base or the people who stood in opposition. I think that they need to either figure out how they can be a part of getting senate republicans to hop on board to make sure that the biden administration in the federal government at large is able to deal with the pressing problems of the day. Or they beat the come films who have, come to use this moment, and understand that the filibuster is not a democratic or, it is not part of a Movie Democracy Majority rule. In this country, the republican party right now is an anti democratic party. They will have to pick a side. And, john, politicos reporting on senator mcconnells that hes been very nice to Kirsten Cinema Joe Manchin. And hes urging all of republican senators to be very very nice to them and to praise them and mitch mcconnells been around long enough to see democrats walk across the Aisle And Change party to join the republican party in states where that was a more comfortable place for them to be. Yeah. He has. Its going to be a fascinating thing to watch going forward because you know, one of the great overstatements of our conventional media with them which has been in place for very long time. Joe biden and Mitch Mcconnell Kind of like Each Other down, theyve been able to deal with Each Other because they like each. Other they dont really like Each Other at all. Particularly Joe Biden does not like mitch mcconnell. But Joe Biden provides Missive On Being Equal To Mcconnell as a master that institution. Whats your leading to, i think, is that in the infrastructure bill, its gonna be attractive dance in the coming months. This is not gonna be a Slam Dunk like a covid relief package. Its gonna be a lot of performative politics, tactical politics, biden trying to demonstrate that Cinnamon Mansion that he is going the extra mile to get republicans only Reasoning Flap down over an over again. Trying to stay up there and say look, im doing everything i can yet i dont have a president who does. That you gotta come with me. Now mcconnell, as you pointed out, doing his dance to try to convince Manchin And Sinema that whatever their abused about with the things that zerlina is pointing out in terms of history, unfortunately theres not a lot of senators and congressmen that we know that our focus on getting reelected that they have been on their legacy. You see mcconnell will be making that narrow gauge claim both to keep them on the side of what he would portray as being an institutional prerogative the senate. But also that open door, you see Justin Ward saying, hey, if you applied of the democratic party, they told they will like you. Joe Come On over here it is warm and the water on this side of the aisle. I think youre gonna see a lot of that flies floating thing over the coming months to watch both signs trying to seduce and scare both of these two senators to get them on their side. John holland, and zerlina maxwell. Thank you both for joining our session tonight. Thanks, john. Good to see you lawrence. Coming up in the 50 50 senate, Joe Manchin has become more powerful than he ever has then. Hes been getting a lot of republican advice from people who know nothing about West Virginia politics about how to handle himself in the pot in the senate. We will be joined next by two people who know a lot about West Virginia politics and how Joe Manchin appeals to West Virginia voters. Thats next. Thats next. You can check your glucose with a painless, onesecond scan. And now with optional alarms, you can choose to be notified if you go too high or too low. 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Joe manchin is described in virginia and the l. A. Times as the democrat whom democrats most love to hate for his obstruction to President Bidens agenda. Virginia knows a bit more then virginia on the last Phone Media about the politics of West Virginia, and the West Virginia mother looks a lot more. Joe manchin is from farmington, a town of 545 people which is not so small by West Virginia standards. Virginia writes, if you live in hollows and small towns tucked into nearly impassable mountains, its still an ordeal just to get electricity and newspapers, and forget about cable, tv, wifi and the memes that come with those things. Rural West Virginians are less beholden to, and also left served by, utilities, a dominant culture and governments. This stranded in this looks dangerous to many. Two others, including plenty in my family, it looks like freedom. As she watches senator Joe Manchin navigate his powerful position in a 50 50 senate, virginia have vernon rights, manchin is never going to look like a california democrat. But he doesnt look like a California Republican either. Its almost say that as a politician, hes nonbinary. Joining us now is virginia have ridden, political communist for the Los Angeles time and host of the podcast, after trump. Also joining us, someone who knows the real deal about was virginians in politics, Virginias Mother Nancy have ridden. Thank you both for joining us. Virginia, let me just begin with you because ive been to West Virginia and i havent been there in many years. But ive driven around those follows and thats the only word for them there are uptown and i know that i know nothing about West Virginia politics and i might be one of the few willing to admit that as we all try to become experts on what Joe Manchin is gonna do next. How do you explain Joe Manchin being able to get elected in the states that loves Donald Trump and republicans as much as it does . What i was trying to indicate with that passage that you read aloud, was that there is something West Virginia is always determinately on icilmalevel into america. It is out of sync, deliberately out of sync, with the rhythm as they said, the memes of the rest of the nation. That makes him the perfect representative of. There because he has the early democratic era. Unless the state is abandoned. But he also has and can talk to those in red states. So, he often holds contradictory views. Like a lot a lot of people in appalachia, he is pro labor. And he is in many ways anti green energy, are not very progressive on energy. But hes also his collagen West Virginia, say this is the guy, almost entirely without ideology. We see him cartoonish with ideology in the past four years changes on, and similarly he wrote that funding for and has rebuked funding. So, some of the most Hot Button Issues of our time will change in several ways, he wants to stay incredible. Nancy is it easy for voters in West Virginia to admit that they voted for democrat for senate . My father ran on utility in West Virginia, a Coal Mining Town and it was called a excuse me, his name was and typically, people called him, like water coffee, because he had built a Purification Plan to build clean water to key install Cable Television for the town as well. Today, the infrastructure in West Virginia is crumbling and everyone is out of work. Now that means that there is a workforce there that could build green energy and i think that if my dad was around, he would work to provide clean energy, his company would be called war, wind and solar, and they might have Speed Internet as well. It sounds like we have some West Virginia support for the biden infrastructure bill, will have to follow how much support Joe Manchin gives to that build, virginia and nancy heffernan, thank you very much for joining us tonight and letting us hear the real voices of West Virginia, we really appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. Thank you. And a programming note, you can listen to this