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>> reporter: lawrence, we have a lull at the moment. but where we are here we're down the street from the police station. just a little ways. you can see there in the distance but the crowd left this area and gone back there and now standing in front of the police again. it is this face to face standoff that's been going on for hours now. and they're not leaving. in the last half hour an exchange of tear gas. the protesters are setting off fireworks. you could see some things being thrown over the fence there and now you can perhaps see here in the distance people are starting to run this way again. here they come. and i can see a big plume of smoke over the court yard, the front yard in front of the police headquarters there. i don't smell any irritant in the air at the moment but again this is going on all night. periodically the police come out and announce the fact that there's a curfew. people need to disperse and go home. they're staying out here. they're angry, upset. they don't like the explanation from the police about what happened. that the officer mistook or somehow thought she was firing a taser and fired a weapon. that the boy, the young man, had been stopped for a vehicle infraction because his license plates were expired. it just is something that people find just completely unacceptable. so here we are. they want the officer fired. the mayor also called for that. the police chief said that they will have due process but the bottom line is this has gone back and forth. there's been some ebb and flow. the crowd is launcher and smaller as the night has gone on. now again, after leaving the front of the police station they're back there and this is all up to the police to some extent. if they let the people stand there and protest. will they do that? or as they did last night and earlier tonight will they fire tear gas? try to disperse them. last night rubber bullets and flash bangs. it was very violent. we are on hold, waiting, seeing. people are angry and not going home. lawrence? >> ron allen, thank you for that report. we'll come back to you throughout the hour as the news develops there. thank you very much. when police officers reach for their guns they are usually terrified. that calm and confident cop in the hollywood movie and the tv shows who fearlessly jump into gun battles they're the fevered dreams of hollywood directors and actors who have no idea how terrified cops are when they reach for the gun and that's why they reach for the guns because they are afraid. sometimes they should be afraid because they're facing a deadly threat to their lives but sometimes like all of us they are overreacting to their fears. and tonight we are covering two of those stories at the beginning and the end of this hour, police overreacting to fears. at the end of the hour a video that emerged in virginia this weekend showing terrified police officers angry terrified police officers with the guns drawn aimed at a completely law abiding aim lieutenant driving home with the dog in the back of the sufr and did absolutely nothing wrong but he was driving while black and that seemed to be enough to get him pulled over by two small town police officers in virginia with guns drawn on him and screaming at him. the victim of that police abuse is alive tonight. daunte wright is not. an autopsy report on daunte wright was released today saying that his killing yesterday was a homicide and that the cause of death a single gunshot wound to the chest and that single gunshot caused the clashes last night with police in minnesota and what we're seeing tonight, the kind of night that's become all too sadly familiar to the people of minnesota since the police killing of george floyd there last year. a juror in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd which completed the 11th day today is living under that curfew tonight. in that minneapolis suburb of brooklyn center where daunte wright was shot and killed by a police officer yesterday. the curfew went into effect at 7:00 p.m. tonight. the chief of the brooklyn center police force said today that when he showed -- said this today, when he showed police body cam video of the shooting that the killing of daunte wright was an accident. the chief identified the officer who fired the shot as a woman who was a senior officer in the department, the state's bureau of criminal apresentation has identified that officer as kim potter, a 26-year veteran of the police department. the police chief said that she thought she was reaching for her taser and intended to fire the taser at daunte wright but fired the gun and the chief described in effect another deadly demonstration that police training does not work. that police experience does not work. 26 years of experience is not enough. we need police training in deadly force to work for everyone who takes that training just like we need pilot training to work for everyone who's trained as a pilot because with police training and pilot training if it doesn't work people die and this police officer like every police officer was fully trained on the difference between reaching for a gun and reaching for a taser but in the moment when it counted on the street under that self imposed pressure, all of her training disappeared. >> the officer drew their handgun instead of their taser. for informational purposes, we train with our handguns on our dominant side and our taser on our weak side so if you're right handed you carry the firearm on the right side and the taser on the left. this is done purposefully and it's trained. as i watched the video and listen to the officer's commands it is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy the taser but shot mr. wright with a single bullet. this appears to me from what i viewed and the officer's reaction and distress immediately after that it was an accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of mr. wright. >> the police chief explained that wright's car was pulled over because it had an expired registration and then the additional crime of air fresheners on the rear-view mirror apparently against the law in minnesota and then they discovered an outstanding warrant for daunte wright for a misdemeanor and three potential misdemeanors are why the police decided to make their move on daunte wright that ended in his death. daunte wright called hid mother katie wright just as the police pulled him over yesterday afternoon at the location where her son was shot and killed. katie wright said this. >> said yesterday they pulled him over because of air fresheners from the mirror and the police officer said put the phone down and get out of the car. daunte said we'll explain and then daunte said don't run. like a minute later i called and the girlfriend answered and said that he'd been shot. >> the police chief decided to release the body cam video today as soon as possible saying the state investigators didn't want it released but believed the community had a right to see it. we have a carefully considered policy on showing video of people killed by police including the video in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of yoerch floyd. the network policy almost never allows us to show the entirety of the video because it is so disturbing to see and many of you told me personally how disturbing the videos are for you to see and this video is unedited up to the point where the gunshot is fired and then the video frame freezes but the audio continues and you will hear what the officer said after she fired that shot. you will hear her voice shift from being terrified of daunte wright to being terrified by what she just did. when she says i shot him. >> step out. >> daunte. [ inaudible ] >> you have a warrant. >> i'm not doing nothing. i'm not doing nothing. >> i'll tase you! i'll tase you! taser, taser, taser! oh [ bleep ]! i just shot him. >> oh wow. >> yes! >> joining us now criminal law professor at new york law school as a director and mark claxton, both are former nypd police detectives. let me begin with you, professor. your reaction to what we're seeing on that video and the police chief's interpretation today of that video and what she said afterwards that this was an accident, reaching -- thinking she is reaching for the taser when she is reaching for the gun. >> sure, lawrence. thank you. i would like to focus on the word accident. under the law, even if one necessarily intend to do something, however, if they do so negligently, recklessly, they repeat the action and have the same result, you can be culpable and no longer an accident and we have seen repeatedly that there is a difference in how the force is administered by police departments against people of color and with respect to others. so at what point does it stop being an accident? i can understand the chief's approach with regards to this individual incident but we hear this over and over. oops. i'm sorry. oops. it is an accident. but it only happens with one segment of society. this was a low-level misdemeanor arrest. and whether force should be used, perhaps that's a discussion for another day but we consistently see death, dismemberment, serious injury over low-level arrest. not a crime of the century. that's not an accident. it is a form of bias. and arguably you cannot train or educate that away. that is something that someone brings with them to that police department. so perhaps the first stop on the train is identified those who harbor those form of biases and perhaps this is just simply not the job for them because that's what leads to these types of accidents. there is a difference based on who a person is and we saw this in the george floyd trial and seeing it now as to the reason for escalation of force and that reason is quite often based on who that person is. more of a threat because it is a young black man. so it's quite disturbing to watch. the excuse that it's an accident. we can discuss some of the technicalities of how someone could possibly mistake a handgun for a taser given the difference in weight and balance and materials and color. so the word accident here seems wildly inappropriate when this young man has been killed. >> mark, how would you describe what you are seeing on that video? >> to tell you the truth, lawrence, it feels as if we collectively as the community, black community are stuck like the bill murray community in the "groundhog day" caught in a time loop of repetition so day every day you're in the same incidents and occurrences. listen. over the last several couple weeks we have been having discussions about use of force, the use of force continuum which quite frankly has kirk alluded to should be called the code of color continuum at this point. but too often the guidelines, the continuums, the rules and regulations, even the law are just no match for toxic police culture which is propped up by bias both implicit and explicit bias, intolerance and racism and all too often it leads to avoidable interactions and worse fatal encounters. this is not the first time that you had a police officer allege to assume that the police officers allege that this because the chief although indicated that he was staying out of the investigation gave this quote/unquote excuse if you will but when you think of it oscar grant, same situation. another case where deputy sheriff in oklahoma had the same kind of quote/unquote excuse for a fatal shooting. what's the common denominator? a black victim. so we have to examine the realities and what it is that we're facing and get out of this time loop and this repetition and escape from our groundhog day nightmare. >> professor, almost all deaths in automobiles are as a result of accidents. but some of those accidents are ruled to be manslaughter because of recklessness and other factors. where is the line here in this kind of conduct between accident and manslaughter? >> the line here with regards to manslaughter quite often depending on the state it may be a criminal negligence standard. so if a prosecutor can prove that someone should have known that their actions might have a particular result, if they were not careful, or if they did know if they were not careful and the actions would have a particular result and that result in either case led to death it could be a man slaughter challenge. this is what's so difficult and why police officers are rare ri prosecuted for manslaughter because proving what they should have known and did know this goes back to how they're trained and educated and so forth. you need to bring in as we have seen in the trial of derek chauvin and so easy to say the trial of george floyd but it's the trial of derek chauvin, he's the one that's on trial, the litany of police officers and police officials who were responsible for the training so that's to demonstrate that derek chauvin's actions were reckless, that he should have known the result, the danger that could occur. but this is -- that trial is an outlier and why it's rather difficult to prosecute the cases and show what someone would have known. in this case this positioning of where to carry the taser versus the firearm certainly might lead to a form of charge of manslaughter but a lot remains to be seen and dependent on the investigation that takes place here. >> we are going to continue this conversation with mark and kirk across this commercial break. when we come back to consider the prosecution resting its case today in the murder trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd taking place ten miles away from where those protesters are tonight. we'll be right back. ♪ you've got the looks ♪ ♪ let's make lots of money ♪ ♪ you've got the brawn ♪ ♪ i've got the brains... ♪ with allstate, drivers who switched saved over $700 click or call to switch are you managing your diabetes... ...using fingersticks? 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'cause we are. we are continuing our live coverage of the situation tonight in brooklyn center, minnesota, where people are protesting the killing by police there yesterday. we are joined by nbc's morgan chesky. morgan, what is the latest there? >> reporter: lawrence, good evening. we just had to retreat within the last 30 seconds because the security team tells me that rubber bull lets are deployed into the crowd in and around the brooklyn center police station for several hours. i know it's dark but there's several hundred people around the intersection of the brooklyn center police department. just where those lights are in the distance, lawrence, that's where a crowd of at least 100 police officers are and national guardsmen have been advancing for last 15 or 20 minutes or so essentially clearing block by block using tear gas to do so as they've inched the way to our location here. i'm in a parking lot of a strip mall vandalized and looted last night and seeing that happen again and told by several people here that are doing that saying don't turn that camera around on us. you don't want to do that so at this point in time -- oops. excuse us. you can see people are obviously having some issues with the tear gas used here and right now a significant law enforcement presence in place and it looks to stay that way for at least the time being. one of our biggest concerns here is getting in between the protesters and the police here. we heard the governor say earlier of minnesota that you can mourn the loss of daunte wright but anyone trying to take 56d of the situation it will not be tolerated and witnessing that firsthand now. i think as they make the way towards this area the looting that's happening behind me. take a quick look around here. just to show people the scope of where everyone is gathered right now. we witnessed these people break into these windows, walk into these stores within the past hour and essentially take whatever they wanted to. everyone crowded on the sidewalk essentially has whatever they want to at the disposal with the stores. i spoke to a local business owner here who owned a nearby gas station. i said will you close down early? he said, no, i have extra family members come here to try to protect the shop if at all possible. he is concerned that they're going to have to deal with some of the damage firsthand and that really is the fear here as the night goes on. this is a community that remembers all too well what happened following the death of george floyd. when i was at a vigil for daunte wright this evening there were repeated calls saying mourn his life but don't do any damage to this area. there's debate on who is doing what however i can tell you that this is a different group than those i gathered with earlier today who remember the life of that 20-year-old man. taking a look back the lights in the distance that is right in front of the police station here at this point in time we know that that massive group of national guardmen and police are standing in front of that and not made the way closer to us. hopefully that is a safe perimeter for them at this point in time and i can tell you that right now with that curfew in effect they will be clearing this area some point. it is just a matter of when. lawrence? >> thank you for that live report. we'll be coming back as the news develops tonight. thank you. on day 11 ten miles away from where morgan chesky is now on day 11 the prosecution rested its case after calling three more witnesses. george floyd's younger brother described his memories of life with george and something minnesota law allows the victim's families to do in murder trim just the defense did not ask any questions of his brother. cardiologist dr. jonathan rich testified that heart disease had nothing to do with the death of george floyd. he said that george floyd died because the police crushing his body against the pavement deprived him of oxygen. >> george floyd died from a cardiopulmonary arrest. it was caused by low oxygen levels. and those low ox jeb levels were induced by the prone restraint and positional asphyxiation that he was subjected to. i believe the death was absolutely preventable. >> were there critical points in time during his sub dual and restraint on the ground when you feel measures could have or should have been taken that would have preserved his life? >> yes, do. i think there were several junctures actually. >> would you tell us about those? >> sure. the first of course was to not subject him to that initial prone restraint positioning that he was subjected to. i mean, that is first and foremost. so if that was not the case i don't think he would have died. >> the final witness for the prosecution today was a former police officer who is now a law professor at an expert in police use of force and testified that derek chauvin using force that he should have known was deadly force and that that force was unreasonable. >> do you have an opinion as to whether defendant's use of force whereby he restrained mr. floyd in that prone position for 9:29 on may 25, 2020, was reasonable as viewed by a reasonable police officer on the scene? >> yes. >> and what is that opinion? >> no reasonable officer would have believed that that was an appropriate, acceptable or reasonable use of force. >> was the force, did the force -- was the force unreasonable as it started and ended? >> from the time it was initiated and throughout the duration. >> do you have an opinion to a degree of reasonable professional certainty as to whether the defendant appropriately rendered medical aid to mr. george floyd on may 25, 2020, in accordance with generally accepted police practices? >> i do, yes. >> what is that opinion? >> the failure to render aid to mr. floyd both by taking him out of the prone position and reasonedering aid as the distress became obvious was contrary to generally accepted police practices. >> thank you very much. i have no further questions, your honor. >> back with us, law professor kirk burkehalter and mark claxton, both former nypd detectives. the reaction to the sequence and the cardiologist saying absolutely no health condition contributing the death, it was all a result of the police force used against him and then like you a former police officer and now turned law professor like kirk saying this force, this use of deadly force was completely unreasonable. >> it's quite clear that the prosecutors are tripling down. not even doubling down but tripling down and want to make it clear about what caused the death of mr. floyd and quite clear by that. both the medical experts and the use of force expert was very clear and convincing and defining the positions. and also, it should be noted that the job throughout the course of the trial that the prosecutor jerry blackwell has done is exemplary because he allows on direct and redirect the witnesses really to shine and has such a tone and tenor that's very comforting, reassuring so i think that will resonate with the jurors as it has with me not being the legal expert that kirk is. >> kirk, i have to say i have never seen in a police case like this, never seen a prosecution case go in more flawlessly and more fully than this has. >> i would have to agree, lawrence. this really came through today. so what we saw today, the prosecution reinforced the two things that it had to prove and reinforced the one thing to do to resonate with the jury. two things the prosecution had to prove, first of all, causation. had it not been for the actions of derek chauvin george floyd would still be alive and that's what we heard the cardiologist testify to. by the way, an excellent expert. the other thing they had to prove was that this was unreasonable, the actions of derek chauvin and not justified and that was the final witness. what they wanted the jury to remember and as you mentioned this is very much unique to minnesota, george floyd was a person with all his flaws, with all his good atributes. he is a human beinging just like all of us with the flaws and positive atributes but he was a brother, a son and so forth and that was the testify from his brother so the prosecution really put those three nails sort to speak in their argument and what the jury is left with prior to the defense starting its argument. >> mark, the essential point they need to make to the minnesota jury is that what you're seeing derek chauvin do is unreasonable not necessarily from the perspective of the jurors themselves or from individuals out there watching but it's unreasonable from an experienced police officer's perspective. that's the perspective they were using today. >> right. they made that point quite clearly during the course of today's testimony about what is the level of expectation. that is the reasonable police officer standard itself. so i think the prosecution's done an exemplary job at presenting that and breaking it down and making it impactful to laypersons like myself and i'm sure that the jurors are being impacted by the same things. listen. i can't imagine beyond a hypothetical case what the defense is prepared to do but i'm sure that whatever the defense does attempt it'll be in a shorter time frame and the prosecutors will have an opportunity to really beat back some of the most ridiculous assertions which i'm sure they're going to make. >> also, entered into the testimony today through the police expert was that george floyd no point represented a threat. they kept showing individual points on the -- while he was held down saying is he a threat now? is he a threat now? kirk, no point was he a threat. the big suspense of the defense case is, will the defendant testify? the most important questions that the defense has to answer can only be answered by the defendant but in this defense you run an awful lot of risks by putting him on the witness stand. >> i just cannot imagine derek chauvin testifying. if i'm the prosecutor, and on cross i am going to play that video and i'm going to stop it every five seconds and ask him what were you thinking here? what were you thinking here? i want that jury to see how long his knee was on george floyd's neck. the only possible way he might testify is fe feels -- the defense feels he has slult nothing to lose. you know? it is unlikely but those things have happened. remember that he does not, the defense does not have to prove that derek chauvin was innocent but not guilty by reasonable doubt and make that argument because the prosecution must prove that and you can expect the defense to come in during their closing summation with a time line or rather a number line going from zero to 100 and shows how far close to 100 beyond a reasonable doubt is. so i don't him testifying. i think that's the last-ditch effort. i think that would just be food for the prosecution. >> kirk, mark, thank you once again tonight. really appreciate it. we'll continue to cover the situation in brooklyn center, minnesota, live where people are protesting the police killing yesterday of 20-year-old daunte wright. msnbc's ron allen is joining us now. ron, where are you? what is the latest? >> reporter: we are in the same place, lauren. about 100 yards or so from where the police station is but in the last hour or so the police have started a move. they're trying to clear the street in front of the police headquarters and brought in what looks like a big armored vehicle and the police made a line across the wide boulevard. what they're prioring to do is push the protesters back down this area. we have heard people in the crowd urging everyone to stand tall and strong and not mover away why it is about attrition. the police are trying to wear them down essentially. we have not seen much tear gas latly. we have not seen any rubber bullets but what you can't see is down the other side of the street. the police seem to be pushing in the other direction to create a big open space in front of the police headquarters to try and make sure that their officers are safe and the headquarters are safe and to try to get the crowd to disperse. but again, people are not going home. the people out here say they're determined and now hear in the distance -- one more warning. we hear these periodically. the police over a loud speaker telling people they are in violation of the curfew which happened at 7:00 p.m. local time here several hours ago but people we talked to are determined to stay out here. this is how they feel they will get the justice for the latest family. there's a lot of emotion and passion. also, lawrence, in this direction over here if you look over there you can still see that there are people at that dollar tree store and some of the other stores along here. it is open season. this is a big parking parking ae are taking what they want and leaving. bottom line is the standoff continues. people are not going home. they're determined to outlast the police and the police are gradually slowly -- pushing. we heard a couple loud explosions. i can see the smoke. where's my gas mask? where is the gas mask? emily! >> disperse to the north. leave the area. >> reporter: we see there's a big plume of gas. okay. let's mover back. let's mover back. let's move back. let's -- let's move back. let's move back. let's move back. people are very emotional. >> every single white person -- >> reporter: people are very emotional. >> running. >> reporter: it seems like the police just really made a big mover, lawrence. >> with the umbrella. >> that's crazy. >> reporter: i can see a big police vehicle moving away. they made a big push in the last couple of minutes and people are trying to figure out what to do next. the protesters are trying to decide what to do next. all right. all right. i hear you. i hear you. i hear you. i hear you, man. >> ron, do we have -- >> reporter: you can see another -- yes, lawrence? >> i was going to ask about the size of the crowd. do we have any estimate of that? >> reporter: it was several hundred people and getting dispersed. the police are being very aggressive and pushing. we need to move way back, guys. we need to mover way back. watch, watch, watch. all right. the crowd now is really just kind of dispersed. in the other direction i can see some police cars. they're threatening to arrest people. we don't think they've made any arrests at all tonight but that may be ending tonight and i can see trying to protect the stores and businesses being robbed and looted. now you can see behind me the street's pretty empty. see the line of police over there with the illuminated, yellow vests. trying to move cars out and the area over to the left in the parking plot the police line, as well. they pushed out -- they pushed out at least 100 yards from the police headquarters and see advancing slowly. you can see it here over here, too. the cars are moving out. the police have obviously had enough of this. and they are moving everyone out. and in the middle of that you can see the big bright light. that's a huge armored vehicle so i think we got to move. >> we got to move right now. >> we got to move fast. ronnie, we got to move. >> reporter: we have to leave because they warned everyone that they will be arrested. >> ron, i'm going to let you keep moving and we will take a break here. we will come back to ron allen after this break. we're going to let him position himself safely in the midst of that moving now. it is a moving protest. we'll be right back. our retirement plan with voya, keeps us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... hey, graduation selfie! well done! and voya stays by our side, keeping us on track for retirement... ...giving us confidence in our future... ...and in kevin's. you ready for your first day on the job? 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>> get out of the car now! >> what's going on? >> what's going on is you're fixing to ride the lightning, son. >> you received an orrer. get it. >> i'm afraid to get out. >> then you should be. >> i didn't do anything. whoa. hold on. hold on. i just -- watch it. >> deployed. >> get out of the car! get out of the car and get on the car now or you're going to get it again. >> i can't take the seat bemt -- >> take it off and get out of the car. >> after that and more the police did not arrest lieutenant nazaria saying they were doing a big favor by letting him go so the military would not penalize him for getting arrested. his attorney says that he informed the supervisors of the incident almost immediately and the lieutenant who's 27 and a graduate of virginia state university filed a federal lawsuit against the two police officers and off the video emerged publicly this weekend the governor of virginia said the void owe quote is us tushing and angered me. he said he is directing the virginia state police to investigate the matter. joining us now is two guests. a member of president obama's task force on 21st century policing and jonathan capehart. jonathan, let me begin with you on this because of the reaction that we all have when we look at these videos and this time we have did two angles. we have the police body cam and then we have the lieutenant's own video that he set up on the dashboard of his car. capturing this from his perspective. >> what we saw in that video, lawrence, is why a traffic stop is never routine when you are black and particularly a black male in america. i continue to be impressed and i'm sorry i have to be impressed because we have to be that lieutenant nazario had the presence of mind to go to a lighted area, to fire up the phone and set to record and putt it on the dashboard so he had his own evidence to show that he followed -- he could hear the conflicting demands made of him by the two officers and then not put themselves or give those officers a reason, an excuse. not a reason. an excuse to shoot him. watching that video. and i don't know -- it's sunday. i allow you to have a weekend but i don't know if you saw the show resisted watching that vid all weekend long. until i had to show it on my shoep. it made me very angry. i am tired of seeing black people and black men in particular going about their lives at least trying to, and then always having a problem. and in these two cases, virginia and minnesota. what got daunte wright what got him pulled over? a license plate issue. what got the lieutenant pulled over? a license plate issue. we can go around the country and look at and find examples of black men pulled over for the pretext of a license plate issue and things go awry. seeing that video the one of the lieutenant. is maddening. it's enraging. and it's also frightening. because the lieutenant could have been daunte wright. >> officer the one who does the pepper spray after screaming and screaming and then doing the pepper spray. he got fired last night. he got fired on information. that that police department had since december 5 he got fired because of what we see on the video. and wasn't going to be fired apparently until we got to see it on the video. instead of the police chief. >> that is a problem. it speaks to the police department. it's speaks to the city leadership. because if they knew that that video was out there, and the egregious acts their officers committed and involved themselves in that night to a u.s. army soldier, who was respectful and quite frankly only professional person there on the scene. in the way they treated him was inhumane. and in the just the fact he was a lieutenant in the army, they didn't treat him with a sense of respect. and look, this whole idea about this being a felony traffic stop. that's the part that really ticks me off. that wasn't a felony traffic stop. not really because you can't see a license plate. to come out of your car with guns drawn because he drove a little bit further down the road to find the lighted spot. he did everything that we train our friends and family in everyone to do. all of us. yet, even after he did that, as you heard he articulated it seems like no matter what we are asking our citizens to do, particularly of color. it seems to come back to the same place. i have been in policing in and out for 40 years. i tell you, this was the most disgusting traffic stop the interaction that take place, they are becoming sickening to the american people. and i don't care what color you are. everybody is sick of it. it's troubling. policing across the country and even good police are going to have to suffer behind those who are acting egregiously, ill leely and unconstitutionally. as what we saw the other night in virginia. >> you have been sharing the screen as sed rick is sharing with the protesters in minnesota. the news media will record this protest is about what happened to daunte wright. because that is the neighborhood where it happened. those protesters know what happened to this army lieutenant in virginia. they know what happened to george floyd. they know what happened in all of the cases. and surely they have more than just this most recent case in mind. when they go out tonight. >> right. from what i understand there have been other instances in brooklyn center. interactions at police that enraged the community. people are angry and angry for a reason. they are justifiably angry. when you have the state in the presence of law enforcement that is able to kill people. and they're tired of and demonstrating against it. we need to make sure we make a distinction between the people who were standing in front of the police station trying to have voices heard and the knuckle heads who were looting the store yards away. two completely different people. groups of people. >> thank you both for joining us. >> thanks. we'll be right back. in the romo household we take things to the max oh yeah! honey, you still in bed? 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