do you see that? >> yes. >> can you describe for the jurors what that line has there? >> we start out with a different number. the long numbers with the zeros and then that is a paramedic writing into the call. it says, rig 412 is requesting fire code 3. we are adding additional agency to that. >> explain why -- is ems different than fire? >> yes. >> how so? >> ems, we have two different ems companies we work with. this is them writing in here adding the additional fire. they are medically trained. they can be anywhere in the city close to within four minutes. >> this is the paramedics calling in -- >> additional support. >> support from the fire department. >> correct. >> then if we skip down two lines to 20:31:12, tell us what's listed there. >> per engine or rig -- this is the paramedic rig 412, ems is at park and 36. they no longer are on scene. >> for the last two lines we looked at, the ems people are sending information to you or to this call center. >> everything is shared. we have a shared computer system that we use. when you start adding additional agencies, everybody gets the same information so that everybody can be informed on what's going on. >> this information then as well goes out to the fire department? >> yes. >> is it a separate thing you have to do or automatic as part of the sharing? >> it's an automatic thing once you are adding the agencies. fire would not be able to see that unless they had their own call. >> the line above that is the multiagency fire -- is adding fire in? >> correct. >> skipping down a couple lines to 20:33:02, can you describe for the jurors what's in that line? >> it says, via metcom, ems would like fire department for patient condition at the requested location. >> this is something you dispatched out? >> correct. >> what's the import of this information? what's being communicated here? >> i no longer knew what was going on. i asked our partners, our agency -- other agencies via metcom, a resource group we have that we can connect radio to radio instead of phone to phone. i asked them what was going on. that's what they told me. i put it in the call so everybody had that information. >> the next line down at 20:34:10, can you describe where that information is coming from? >> it's coming from the paramedics. it says, full arrest. >> that's something they are reporting into the shared system, full arrest? >> correct. >> the next line after that, 20:34:30? >> again, from coming from paramedics, they said, engine or rig 412, paramedics are working a full arrest. >> the next line down again now is you handling this information, correct? >> yes. >> what are you dispatching out there? >> adding information that the fire department is en route to park and 36. >> the next line down, 20:36:07? >> that is a different i.d. number. it starts with f, which means it's coming from one of our fire dispatchers. engine 17, fire is two minutes out to 36th and park. >> the next line down, if you could describe that for the jurors, the 20:48:23. >> that's ems transporting to hcmc. >> finally, the last line, 20:55:06, in the column after the time, 330. >> yes. >> what does that mean with that code? >> the information that they provided? >> is this 330 calling in? >> they didn't call in. this is information they put directly into the call. >> how do they do that? >> they have their computers. it's a laptop, i believe, in their cars that they are able to provide information that way, too. >> on this line it references the status of the ap. do you recognize ap? >> no. >> you don't know what that refers to? >> no. >> this is really a time line of what happened during these calls, correct? >> correct. >> during this call, you know why we are here today, of course, because of the incident, correct? >> correct. >> you have since learned the identities of the officers involved? >> correct. >> did you personally know any of those officers? >> no. >> during this time of this call, did you have some opportunities to look at the street video from this location? >> i did. >> can you describe for the jurors how you came to see that? >> while working at my position, we have two cameras or two tvs on our walls. one on both sides of the walls so either side of the room can see. while i was dispatching calls, because this call was not the only call that i had to dispatch to officers in different precincts, i noticed the cameras were up at 38th and chicago and we were able to see what was going on. >> did you recognize what was depicted in the video? >> to the best of my knowledge. >> was cup foods in the video? >> yes. >> did you recognize that as cup foods? >> yes. >> that seemed -- was that consistent with what you knew to be 38th and chicago? >> yes. >> did you also when you observed that see some police officers? >> yes. >> can you just describe when you first looked up there in general kind of what you saw? >> when i first -- i just saw the squad car. i didn't see the police officers. >> did you watch this video feed for a period of time? >> i went in and out of the camera and being able to pay attention to it. i did not watch the whole video as it was happening. i did not watch the whole time. >> why not? >> i still had calls to take care of and things to give out to the police officers. >> we have marked a copy of that video. did you have a chance to view that before coming into court today? >> yes. >> you understand that we cropped it in the sense of one side of the video there's a huge sign that obscures that area but the rest of the video, does it fairly and accurately depict what you were able to see? >> correct. >> your honor, we would offer what's been marked as exhibit 11. >> any objection? >> sidebar, your honor. >> welcome to msnbc. i'm craig melvin in for chuck todd on this monday. we have been watching and listening to testimony from the 911 dispatcher jena scurry. the first witness here in the murder trial of derek chauvin. we are going to go back into the courtroom in a moment. as you can see, once again, folks there putting on their headsets to listen to some testimony. paul butler is back with me. paul, let's talk a little bit about the strategy in using the first witness here as the 911 operator. what's the thinking there? >> you know, frequently testimony starts out kind of dry. lawyers want to establish the witness credentials that she knows what she's talking about. a lot of prosecutors would have started with the person who made the very dramatic and disturbing videotape. in the opening statement, the prosecutor promised we would hear about police calling the police. people who work as first responders who were so concerned about what they -- >> stand by. >> they felt the need to alert supervisors. >> stand by. matthew frank, the lead prosecutor, once again addressing the court. let's listen in. >> i'm going to ask to pause it right here. as i said, other than cutting out the big sign on the right side, does this fairly depict what you were able to see when you looked up at the screens on may 25th of 2020, regarding this incident? >> correct. >> you said when you first saw it, there were no officers. now we obviously have seen officers walking into view. were you still able to watch it when they did walk into view? >> i was in and out of this video. i do not remember them walking to the car. >> what do you remember seeing the next time that you looked up? >> i believe they were getting into the back of the squad car. >> do you remember then the next time that you were able to see it generally what was depicted? >> i believe they were still trying to get into the back of the squad car. it was moving a little bit. then i went back to my screens. >> i think what i would like to do is have this run. if you could just watch the video and tell the jurors when you were able to look up, what parts you remember seeing that day during your shift. okay? >> okay. >> all right. >> i believe this is close to where i started watching. >> obviously, you can see some police officers here. did you recognize them individually? >> no. then i didn't watch that much. and then the next time i looked, they were opening the door. i do remember that. >> which door do you mean? >> the driver's side back seat. this is what i remember seeing. >> for the record, we see the officers now trying to put mr. floyd into the back seat, correct? >> correct. >> the time stamp reflects about 8:17 and ten seconds when you said that, approximately? >> yes. >> the officers have opened a rear passenger door. do you remember seeing this part of the video? >> yes. i remember seeing the squad move. >> what do you mean by move? >> now you can see the squad is moving back and forth. >> it's not like being driven but moving back and forth? >> right. >> for the record, the time stamp is 8:17:50, approximately. >> i know i wasn't able to watch all of this. >> at some point here you had to turn away and do your job? >> yes. >> do you remember -- what was the next thing you remember seeing? >> the next time i remember looking up is they had moved from the back of the squad to the ground. >> when you see that, let me know and we will make a reference to it at that time. >> okay. i don't exactly know when they moved to the ground. i just know when i looked up we were no longer in the back seat. >> because you told us you remember seeing them on the ground with him, i want you to point out the time in the video that looks familiar to what you remember seeing when you say you saw them on the ground with him just so we know. okay? >> okay. i believe this is when i started watching again. >> for the record, the time stamp at the top reflects 8:19:25. this is what you mean by them having him on the ground? >> correct. >> do you recall how long you were able to watch around this time? >> no. honestly, i was in and out of looking at the cameras and then going back to my screens to make sure i wasn't missing anything, added remarks, getting out calls and then would go back to the screen again. >> actually, i think what i will do is pause is here. after seeing this, at some point then did you look back to the screen? >> to back to working? >> no. back to this video of the scene. >> yes. i was in and out of looking at this screen and my work. >> at some point, did you go back to this? how did it appear when you went back to it? it had not changed. >> what do you remember by that? >> they were still on the ground. the whole situation was still the same. >> had there been other changes to the scene? were there other people? >> i didn't pay attention to the surroundings of what was going on. i just know that they hadn't moved. >> at some point, did you see citizens in the video? >> i cannot remember seeing them. i just remember looking up and seeing the situation hadn't changed. >> do you recall approximately how long that was? >> no. it was long enough. it was long enough that i could look back multiple times. >> when you did look back, still on the ground like depicted here, essentially? >> correct. >> what did you think about this when you looked back and saw that it hadn't changed? >> i first asked if the screens had frozen. >> why did you ask that? >> because it hadn't changed. >> did you find that it had froz frozen? >> no. i was told it had not frozen. >> did you see it moving? >> i saw it moving. >> what did you start thinking? >> something might be wrong. >> why? >> we don't get these videos often or video at all unless it's looking at the bridge or just looking at people walking. we rarely get incidents where police are actively on a scene. he had come from the back of the squad to the ground. my instincts were telling me manage is wrong. something is not right. i don't know what, but something wasn't right. >> in what ways were you thinking that something was not right? >> it was an extended period of time. again, i can't tell you the exact amount of time. they hadn't told me that they needed more resources. it's a multitude of things that ran through my brain. i became concerned something might be wrong. >> wrong with what? what are you thinking? >> it was a gut instinct of in the incident, something is not going right. whether it be they needed more assistance or if there were -- something wasn't right. it was a gut instinct to tell me that now we can be concerned. >> what did you decide to do? >> i took that instinct and i called the sergeant. >> do you recall who the sergeant was that you talked to? >> it was sergeant pluger. >> why did you call a sergeant? >> the sergeant is the police officer's supervisor. >> you are not a police officer? >> no. >> you haven't gone through the use of force training? >> no. >> in your experience, you felt something was wrong here that a sergeant needed to know about? >> correct. if this was a form of use of force, i was calling to let them know. >> why would you involve a sergeant in a call that might involve the use of force? >> sergeants are usually always notified for use of force. >> did you, in fact, call the sergeant? >> i did. >> have you ever in your career before called a sergeant for something like this? >> for an incident like this? >> right. >> to be exact, no. >> where you had the instinct and felt something was wrong and you nied edneeded to call a ser have you ever had that before? >> if something was wrong with a call, yes. i don't know how to say this. i can call a sergeant for anything, because they are a resource. if i'm wrong, then i'm wrong. but i can call them regarding calls, if something doesn't look like, if there's a caution note, if there's something that they can do beyond the scope of the call, i can call them. >> have you had a chance to listen to a recording of that call you actually made? >> yes. >> that regarding is made as part of the business of the call center, records that traffic? >> everything is recorded. >> we played a recording of that for you previously? >> yes. >> was it an accurate recording of your call? >> yes. >> we have marked that as exhibit 12. your honor, we would offer exhibit 12. >> no objection. >> 12 is received. >> at this time, we will play that call. all right? >> may 25, 2020. >> this is jena. >> what's up? >> just wanted to let you know about the person at 2602 bloomington. you can call me a snitch, but if we have cameras up for 320. they must have started moving him. 320 at cup foods. >> okay. >> i don't know if they had to use force. they got something out of the back of the squad. all of them sat on this man. i don't know if they needed to or not. they haven't said anything to me. >> they haven't said anything. it was a takedown, which doesn't count. >> okay. >> i will find out. >> no problem. we don't get to ever see it. when we see it, we're just like, well -- >> okay. thank you. >> bye. >> may 25, 2020. >> walk through that a little bit. at the very beginning, you spoke kind of fast. you identified yourself. describe what you were saying. >> i told him my name was jena and i was channel one dispatch. >> the dispatch for third precinct? >> correct. >> you talked about something involving a knife. is that related to this? >> no. >> that was some other call? >> correct. >> then you used the term snitch. >> yes. >> what did you mean by that? >> at that moment, it was a word that came out of my mouth. it's out of the scope of my duties to call a sergeant if there's any use of force. >> that's what the purpose -- tell me, what was the purpose of making that call to him and giving him that information? >> voicing my concerns. we don't see incidents. my job is mainly all listening. >> by the time you made that call, you said something to the sergeant about, did they take him already? by the time you made that call, were you still able to see the video from the street camera? >> yes. the video was still up. >> what did you see at the time you were making that call? >> nobody was there. >> you were aware an ambulance had come to the scene? >> yes. >> the ambulance was not in the video at that time? >> correct. >> is that the reason why you made a reference to them being gone? >> yes. i was speaking to the rest of my team over there and asking a question to them while still on the phone with the sergeant. >> probably a better time for me to ask this question. have you ever, prior to that date, made a call like that to a sergeant? >> no. >> your honor, i have no further questions. thank you. >> should we take a lunch break? would you like to do short cross examination. >> a lunch break. >> members of the jury, we will take our lunch break. lunch should be delivered to your room soon. we will see you at 1:30. >> there you have it, the prosecution has finished asking questions of its first witness there. the judge giving lunch break instructions there. we were listening to the 911 dispatcher, jena scurry. she spent some time there talking about how what she had seen moved her to call her supervisor immediately because she had not seen anything like that before. at one point saying that she thought that the screen might have been frozen based on the amount of time that office chauvin was seen with his knee on george floyd's neck there. after the lunch break, of course, the defense will have its turn to question jena scurry. the first witness in the trial of derek chauvin, on trial for three counts, for the murder of george floyd. shaquille brewster covering the trial there in minneapolis. he will join me in a moment. also with me is nbc news and msnbc legal analyst paul butler. the reverent al sharpton is in minneapolis as well. founder of the national action network. paul, i will start with you. we have not had an opportunity to speak since those opening statements wrapped a short time ago. top line from the opening statements, what stood out to you most? first from the prosecution, then from the defense, paul. >> from the prosecution, we saw a presentation that was not flashy. i think that the goal is to bring the temperature in the room down to help the jurors understand that this case is not about the national reckoning on race. it's not about policing overall. this is a murder trial with a person who stands accused of murder and manslaughter. mr. blackwell focused on medical evidence about the cause of floyd's death and police procedures about how chauvin violated regulation by using excessive force. the video tells the story more dramatically than any words can. the jury heard floyd literally narrate his own death. the crowd begs chauvin to take his knee off his neck. first responder tries to intervene to help floyd. chauvin takes out a can of mace. the last two minutes of the video are the heart of the prosecution. at that point, mr. floyd's pulse stopped. chauvin knew that and yet he continued to hold him down. >> shaq, what did we learn from the opening statements this morning? what did we learn from that first witness or what have we learned so far since we will hear from her again after the lunch break? >> reporter: what we are hearing from the first witness is something we haven't heard before. that camera angle is new to us. the fact that she saw this camera angle as she was calling in and making this -- receiving this 911 call and sending -- and dispatching officers. we weren't aware of that. this is new information we have. this is a case that we have seen lots of video. there's plenty of individual crow to come in this. when we get something new, it does stick out a little bit. a few notes that we are getting from the reporters, the two reporters, one print, one from television, who are allowed in the courtroom, because of social distancing, it's limiting who can be in that courtroom. they are saying that the jurors are watching. they are very attentive to what's going on. we haven't gotten the latest report. the last chunk of testimony. but from the opening statements, they say it's hard to tell the emotions because of the masks. they can tell the jurors were watching the prosecution and the video attentively. they were taking notes. we saw derek chauvin, the officer on trial right now, he was taking notes. we saw that from our camera as well. then they said that something interesting that several jurors picked up a pencil to write and take notes after the defense mentioned the term hogtie. that's the term that they were describing once they got floyd out of the car and he was on the ground and they were trying to restrain him. one of the techniques that the defense said would be explained later in the course of the trial. this pool reporter says that several jurors picked up pencils and started to take notes. we saw this morning the fact that they played the video, that many people have not seen in full. that was new for members of the jury who during questioning said that most of them did not see this video. we are starting to get some development in this case as prosecutors lay out their case. craig? >> shaq, paul, rverend al, stand by if you can. i need to get to democratic congresswoman from california karen bass here. one of the lawmakers that led the passage of the george floyd in policing act in the house. she's also the former chair of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman, thanks for your time this morning where you are. first of all, your general reaction to the opening statements from the prosecution, from the defense. what do you make of it so far? >> frankly, the opening statements, especially from the prosecution, it was just difficult to hear. it was very difficult to see that tape again. frankly, i saw parts of the tape that i don't remember seeing before. to see his knee on his neck long after he was conscious and he just kept it there, it just seemed so cruel. to me, it's very hard for me to see that and not believe that he was really just punishing george floyd. then when i heard the defense talk about george floyd perhaps being intoxicated and all of that, it seems like such and incredible stretch. not understanding what one thing had to do with the other. i really appreciated as a person with a medical background, really appreciated the prosecution saying that every person that is dead has died of a cardiac pulmonary arrest, that people needed to understand exactly what that meant. when the defense tried to say, well, because he didn't have certain aspects in terms of the scarring on his neck or also the hemorrhage in his eye, that mean he didn't die of that, that's ludicrous. this is going to be painful. it's painful listening to the defense. i feel like their arguments out of the box are so absurd. >> congresswoman, to your point about the video, there were parts that i don't think i had seen before. also, i found it striking to hear the running commentary from the bystanders, from the folks who had gathered there to watch this. that was not something i recall hearing. i know you spent time with the family over the past year. i have spent time with the family as well. every time i talk to them, they talk about the george floyd justice in policing act. this perhaps being the greatest leg acy potentially for george floyd. passed the house. prospects? >> i do think that the prospects are strong. i will tell you that although there is no formal negotiation going on, conversations bipartisan are absolutely continuing. so i hold out hope that we will be able to do it. i want you to know that personally, i feel the pressure of everything that is happening with this trial on my shoulders, because we have got to deliver for the american people. there has got to be hope that we can actually transform policing. if there was ever a case that you can just not argue, it is this one. this trial has got to come out the right way. we have to deliver. i believe that we will get a bill on the president's desk. i know the white house and the president absolutely want us to move forward. we have to deliver. >> congresswoman, in most -- as you know, in most significant pieces of legislation, there's typically -- there's the one sticking point that keeps it -- often times there are multiple sticking points. in this particular piece of legislation, is there one sticking point that seems to be greater than the holding it back? >> there's two. qualified immunity and then section 242, which is reducing the standard for prosecuting an officer. with this case, for example, should you argue derek chauvin was thinking in terms of did he mean to kill george floyd? you know when you put your knee on somebody's neck it could result in death and that's reckless. what we want do is reduce the standard. i won't argue what he was thinking. i want to say that what he did was reckless. george floyd died. he should be prosecuted. holding officers accountable, qualified immunity, means the ability to sue the officers and holding the officer personally responsible and section 242. those have from the very beginning been the two sticking points. there has to be a way to show that we can hold officers accountable. otherwise, how do you stop this from occurring? >> congresswoman bass, we appreciate your time and your perspective. you have to run. keep us posted on the legislation. we want to follow that part of the story very closely. long after this trial is over. congresswoman karen bass from california. still have reverend al sharpton. i know you spent time with the family there this morning in minneapolis. first of all, how are they doing? how are they holding up? how are they girding for the next three or four weeks what they're going to have to hear and witness all over again in that courtroom? >> it has been a very painful morning for the family. i have gotten to know the family members. i did eulogies at two of the funerals and have stayed in touch with them. there's one member of the family that's allowed to sit in the courtroom. one of the brothers was in the courtroom as i understand from officer chauvin's father is allowed to sit in. the rest of the family, brothers and cousins, are in an overflow room that i sat in as a minister. i'm here in the capacity. members of the family never saw the particular video we saw this morning. the back and forward between members that were bystanders actually arguing with the policeman, begging him to take his knee off his neck, let him up, he is no longer resporespon they never heard. two or three of the cousins broke down and cried as they watched this tape. it was a very painful experience. how they are holding up is they are very close-knit. we had a prayer vigil last night. they came to a local church to pray for the family to have strength. one of them took my hand in the overflow room and said, i'm glad you have prayer for us last night. that's all i can do is pray through this. what people need to understand that for people in the media, it's a story. for people in civil rights like me, it's an issue. it's legislation that we are pushing that you just talked to congresswoman bass about. but with them, this is their brother. this is their cousin. this is their uncle. this is their father. they are watching someone they loved and grew up with literally narrate his death step by step and to compound it, watching people beg for them to let him go, this isn't right, he is not responding. one man said, i know medical stuff. this isn't necessary. he ignored them. one time one officer is threatening to pepper spray them. the family had not seen that. it added to the pain and the graphic way that he lost his life. to me, who has been in this for decades, it was a very moving, painful thing for me to watch their pain as tears flowed in the overflow room at the courthouse here today. >> to the point there, that video, the prosecution playing that entire video of george floyd's death, it was trauma traumatizing for all of who watched after. what was your response watching that play in court, that video that set off this global movement? >> that video was traumatizing, it was powerful, it was damning. that video is george floyd narrating his own death. it's also george floyd calling out for his mother, saying the officers were going to kill him and begging for his life in a way you can tell is him trying to be conciliatory, trying to put the officers at ease, even though he is the one who is on the ground. also it's george floyd realizing that his death is upon him and that he will not be surviving this. i think what struck me most about this video is that this was a jury of george floyd's peers on the street begging the officers to help him, meeting a jury of george floyd's peers that are now going to be in the courtroom deciding the fate of the officer. this was a jury meeting a jury here, i think. people watching and saying to the officers, this is not right, this has to stop. the prosecutor there made his point underscored his argument that he will be making, which is that you can believe your eyes, he said. it's murder. it's homicide. don't let this get too confusing. what you saw is exactly what it is. the second thing he said was that police called the police on police. that first witness being a 911 operator who said that she did something she had not done in the past, which was call her supervisor and call backup authorities because she was so disturbed by what she was watching. a defense team scrambling for a narrative. they argue that that first group of people who saw george floyd, who begged the officers to help george floyd to stop kneeling on his neck, that they distracted the officers and that their attention was diverted and that's why they did not care for george floyd in the same way. you see the prosecution scrambling for answers for why george floyd died. they said it was because he had drugs in his system, he had a heart condition, it's because of a number of other things that they are trying to cobble together to say, this is why george floyd died. it's going to be up to the jury to say, can i believe my eyes or can i believe this defense attorney that is telling me a number of other reasons why george floyd died that are not connected to the nine minutes and 29 seconds that we know that derek chauvin kneeled on the neck of george floyd. >> paul, we got a glimpse into what it is likely going to be the defense's strategy. i found it, shall we say, curious that one of the defenses seems to be that the crowd that assembled there somehow distracted these five officers from intervening and trying to save george floyd's life. we also -- i wrote this down because it seems like it's going to be a theme of the defense. common sense and reason. common sense and reason, paul butler. it seems like they are going to try to lean heavily on those two things. is that a wise strategy? >> it's worked in some other cases. in the rodney king case, the defense presented rodney king as a very big man who was high on drugs and it took -- had superhuman strength. that's why the officers had to use that level of force. it worked in that case. the officers who beat up rodney king were acquitted. the first ten minutes of the opening statement today, we learned from the defense that floyd was on drugs, that he tried to use a counterfeit $20 bill, that there was a 911 call about a big man who was drunk and could not control himself. that's right out of the playbook of putting the victim on trial. the defense can get that kind of evidence in because they want to say the force that was used against floyd was reasonable. they said that even when he was laying prone, he tried to kick officers. from the perspective of the police officers, they were faced with an angry mob. defense says chauvin did what he was trained to do, the use of force is not attractive but part of the job of policing. the jury will learn that neck restraints were legal at this time for the minneapolis police department to use. they also learned today that the cops called for medical assistance for floyd. they say that floyd banged his head against the plexiglas on the squad door almost like they were blaming him for his own injuries. >> the prosecution said that this case is not about all police or all policing. this is part of what they said. >> in this trial, you will meet any number of the men and women from the minneapolis police department who do a fantastic job. they are committed, take very seriously preserving the sanctity of life. this case is about mr. derek chauvin and not any of those men and women not all policing at all. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> i think that from a prosecutor standpoint, it's about one policeman and his associate police who are going to go on separate trial. from the standpoint of the question of what we are looking at, as citizens, as policemen, as all involved in the community, this is about policing. therefore, it is about policemen and policewomen, whoever they are. what you are judging on, these are not individual laws for derek chauvin. these are laws for policing in the country, which is why the legislation that we supported in the civil rights community, the george floyd policing act, is so important, is that he operates under the confines of policing laws which the argument is that they need to be strengthened. even when they are, the argument is they will violate it. you can't separate one from the other. yes, the prosecutor has to prove one case. i think americans are looking at this to say, policing in this country is on trial. america is on trial. chauvin is in the courtroom, but america is on trial. do we have the ability 30 years after rodney king to say excessive force is illegal and when intentional criminal? when you have a man laying there eight minutes and 46 seconds, before we went in the courtroom i had everyone kneel down for eight minutes and 46 seconds in front of the building to show how long that is. at what point would people poin telling you that the man is suffering, the man is dying, the man himself says, my stomach hurts, my head hurts, i'm dying, i'm going to die, i'm going to die, at what point does, even if you had a momentary anger in the beginning, at what point does it become intentional in 8 minutes and 46 seconds? if anyone watching stands it for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, at some point it becomes intentional, and intentional is what that jury is going to have to deal with. >> shaq, ultimately this will be decided by the men and women of hennepin county there, the jury in that courtroom who will be hearing the evidence the next few weeks. for those who have not followed the case as closely as you, what can you tell us about the makeup of the jury. >> we know they remain anonymous throughout this process. we don't know their names, where they live, what they do. but we do know from the jury questioning that happened over the past three weeks, it took about 11 days of individual questioning for these jurors, we know a little bit about this jury pool that's assembled. we know, for example, that the ages range from 20s to a retired woman in her 60s. we know there is nine women, five men on the panel, that racial breakdown that we keep talking about. eight of the jurors are white, four are black, two of them identify as multiracial. we also know a little bit about what they do and their positions coming into this trial. we know there is at least one juror on this panel who has never even seen a clip of the video that was shown in trial today. he said he only saw a still image of that video. i don't think anyone on the panel -- i may be missing one -- but i don't think anyone on that jury panel actually said they watched the video in full. so you get a sense of how new this will be to them. you also have two questions that were commonly asked during questioning was how do you feel about the black lives matter movement? how do you feel about blue lives matter and your opinions on law enforcement? while you heard both the prosecution and the defense try to take it out of that national context and say, hey, let's focus on what we're putting before you, you got a sense from the idealogies coming in that it's a variety of people, people who say, all lives matter and people who say, i'm black and black lives matter. >> shaq, thank you. reverend al, also in minneapolis, a big thank you to you also, sir. paul butler and lucinda, we'll be spending time with all of you. my colleague ali has been spending time in minneapolis. ali, how is my community there in minneapolis? how are they feeling in the face of opening statements in this long trial ahead? >> reporter: it's a good point, because this is representative of black people across the country. obviously it's very, very close to home in minneapolis. but i asked this group of black minnesotans who i gathered together about what the last year has been like for them, and then i asked them -- if there is some chance, in the opinion of some likelihood, that derek chauvin may get away without prosecution, without conviction. i asked them how that would go over with them. this is what they told me. what happens if there isn't a conviction? >> i can't let myself think about that. i started to, and i just started crying. i mean, one of the biggest differences between this case and so many other cases of this brutality is this was not a shooting. this was nine minutes of a man with a smug look on his face kneeling on a man's neck. he wouldn't have done that to a dog in the street. >> i'm trying not to imagine it. i'm staying hopeful for my students, my community. i think when i let my mind get there and think about that reality of no conviction, i think of the community that has been continuously hurt for so long hurting yet again. >> what would happen is black people, first of all, won't be surprised if he's not convicted because we've seen it time and time again throughout history. the question should be, then, what do we as a society do about it? what do we as humanity do about it? the white community should be able to say, seriously, we see you, black people, we saw that for nine minutes and now we are going to ensure this never happens again. >> we've seen the evidence. the world has seen literally the evidence. for there not to be a conviction would be injustice toward, of course, the family, the community. i believe it would be an injustice toward god. i believe god would be grieved by this and that we would, as a country, face a reckoning with that reality. >> reporter: craig, one thing that is important here is the bearing of witness, the idea that as painful and horrible as it is to watch that video which so many millions of people have seen and then were shown again by the prosecution in their opening statements of what black people have been saying happens to them at the hands of police, the idea that the world is going to have to watch that video and evaluate what happened, that did bring some comfort to my guests. >> ali velshi on the ground for us there in minneapolis with some fascinating insights from folks who are on the ground who live in that community about what all of this means to them. ali, thank you. and thanks to you as well again. day 1 of the derek chauvin trial is underway. they are at lunch right now. we'll continue to keep a close eye and close ear on the situation there in minneapolis. we'll take you back to that courtroom in just a bit. that's going to do for me this hour. you can catch me back here on msnbc tomorrow morning at 11:00. i'll also see you tomorrow morning on "today." msnbc coverage continues right now, though, with katy tur. kat. medication to reduce inflammation on and below the surface of the intestine in uc. you, getting on that flight? 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