the biden transition team and government officials began to sound the alarm to increase shelter space for migrant children whom they expected would soon be crossing the border in large numbers but the trump administration didn't take action until days before the inauguration according to two biden transition officials and a u.s. official with knowledge of the discussions. they were sitting on their hands a transition official told nbc news who doesn't currently work for the biden administration. it was incredibly frustrating. the report adds that as of february the department of health and human services was only able to use about half of the congressionally funded capacity with covid protocols and a shuttering of facilities. because of those limits unaccompanied children are backlogged in stations. their numbers reaching a record high of 5,200 children in custody last week with hundreds held past the three-day legal limit. that is the backdrop to news breaking this afternoon that biden is passing the ball on the border crisis to the vp. kamala harris will lead the issue. it is the first high profile role harris has taken on as a policy initiative since tacking office and marks a new phase of the administration's response to the rising tide of migrants. >> one of the ways we learned is if you deal with the problems in country it benefits everyone, us, the people, grows the economies there. unfortunately the last administration eliminated that funding. did not engage in it or use it even though there was over $700 million to help get this done. we are reinstituting the problem. >> this is a challenging situation. as the president said there are many factors that lead the people to leave these countries and while we are clear that people should not come to the border now, we also understand that we will enforce the law and that we also, because we can chew gum and walk at the same time, must address the root causes. >> president biden trying to contain the political crisis at the border is where we start today with aliche alcinor and nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff and robert gibbs is here, a former white house press secretary in the obama administration, now a msnbc political analyst. what does this selection of kamala harris to manage this suggest to now about what is happening inside the biden administration? >> what it suggests is that there's mounting pressure to act and to show they are focused on how to deal with the challenges at the border. a situation that they refuse to call a crisis and where you see numbers of migrants surging in the facilities which are overcrowded. the now vice president harris, there had been talk about what she would focus on and now handed this issue that's complex, hard. it is an issue that president biden dealt with as vice president. she is dealing with white house officials say the northern triangle countries and not clean when she will travel but will have to answer the tough questions how the biden administration is both humane and moral while also trying to deal with what is an influx of children and children in really tough situations. they say that she is ready for this as a prosecutor and an attorney general. but in talking to white house officials they say there's no solutions but also hearing that media need more access to the facilities. that is something that is very clear today. >> robert, there are no easy solutions for this. this has bedevilled administrations past. when you look at this, how do you see -- how do you read the moves they're making right now? >> i agree. look. this demonstrates the importance of this issue. vice presidents don't get delegated from presidents issues that aren't big. i agree that it is not an easy solution. look. president obama used to say if we discuss it inside of the oval office the easy solutions have already happened. the hard decisions are the ones that that group had to make or this group had to make and you see it here. it is going to be -- it is going to take a lot of time, a lot of energy. i think it is though exactly the way president biden sees the role of vice president, of playing a big role in big issues and what he's given to the vice president. it is not an easy thing, absolutely. but i think it shows the importance of the issue and the importance of the role the vice president is playing inside of this administration. >> for sure. jacob, this administration at least at the outset was reluctant to point fingers to the previous administration but your reports showing an administration very, very stridently pointing the finger back at biden's predecessor president trump saying this is in large part a problem we inherited. do they see a role for themselves in the situation that's unfolding on the border? did they see any missteps they may have made? >> i think the obvious answer is they could have stood up these facilities faster. the question is why. undoubtedly the biden administration has questions to answer themselves about why which facilities were picked and when. they had carizzo springs was not tacken. she was vocally opposed to homestead as a facility for influx of unaccompanied migrant children as a presidential candidate. ke don't know the answers to those questions. but based on the reporting it is not just political officials and transition officials but career officials warning as early as december of 2020 some version of what is playing out right now because there are some capacity with experts to care for the children appropriately, they wanted that capacity. but alex azar, the then secretary of health and human services under president trump, didn't transmit or send out a request for assistance to other federal agencies until five days before the inauguration, even though he was asked over a month before the inauguration for help locating influx to help this exact scenario we're seeing right now. is the biden administration partially responsible? they are but here's a big piece of evidence from multiple officials career and political that state something could have been done sooner and in the trump administration. >> doesn't defy expectations to suggest that the trump administration may not have been cooperating in the transition period, does it? >> of course not. this was an administration that one, of course, really slowed down the official transition because the president, the former president trump was not wanting to look at the reality that he had lost the election but then even after that transition is officially started you had the president saying that the election was rigged and trickled down to the transition and of course looking at the departments that were given the most problems immigration at the heart of that, part of the hardline immigration policies or got the president-elected and where he installed people who really saw immigration as a problem for this country, didn't see the asylum seekers as people rightfully using the rights they had under u.s. law but people illegal even doing legal things and not surprising the same people seeing migrants as a burden on this country that they would not be the people then forthcoming or helpful with the biden administration with a different tone, rhetoric and goal as the trump administration. >> robert, i think the biden administration it seems to have very, very much wanted to turn the page on what it saw as ethical lapses as it regards migrant children and i want to call attention to statements that kamala harris made in 2019 with a sense of the deep sort of moral questioning that democrats were kind of asking themselves. what does the treatment of these people at the border say about our country and how do we rectify that problem? let's listen to that. >> don't discount that. don't discount these hundreds and thousands of children treated this way by us. and what will that mean for them in terms of what is our country and who is our country and what are the values of our country? what are we telling our children away that this is happening to other children? i strongly believe that you should judge a society based on how it treats its children. they are children and we are not treating them well at all but like prisoners and it's just -- it's a awful display of the -- >> robert, i think this administration looks at the migrant crisis as a test for whether our moral compass is pointed true north. >> and the person holding that compass and directing the country's response to it is who you saw in the video and the cross between campaigning and governing and it is coming quickly. objects may appear in the mirror closer than they are. and i think -- are closer than they appear i should say. this is going to come at the vice president fast. it already is. coming at the administration quickly. and it will be a test to see whether the ret russell westbrook of what democrats talked about as gut wrenching a few years ago, how do they handle it differently? what do they show the american people and members of congress and the communities on the border? it will highlight very interesting choices that this administration is going to have to make very quickly. you often inherit at the beginning of an administration so challenging that the previous administration didn't handle them. so the idea that they didn't help isn't terribly surprising. they know what this means for republican voters and it is a really big genuine test, another one, for the administration. >> jacob, how this administration is treating those at the border we today in a matter of moments will get a view inside one of those facilities run by dhs. tell us about the difference between a customs and border patrol facility where they're held and a dhs facility which we'll see in a matter of moments. >> very critical. where press was invited after lots of badgering from us all in the media, about a lack of transparency, is one of the places that children are taken once they leave the overflowing facilities and this is a place most advocates i think would tell you they want to end up when they cross the border and in the care and custody of competent individuals said. that's not what the administration said they want to change when they say a more fair, safe, orderly process. that's the border facilities. the trump administration let me in at the height of family separations without cameras and the purpose to show the cruelty of the policy because they were proud of it. the larger conversation i think we should have is that we have a much bigger issue here which is what is this administration going to do with the immigration system in the united states? as i've said before, the trump administration separated kids like this because there was a 30-year deterrent system based on punishment where immigrants were treated as criminals and not under humanitarian pretenses or as human beings and this administration has signaled they will make a departure from that and create a new system. but what exactly does it look like? and the answer is as a reporter who covers this closely i don't know yet. it's incumbent upon the administration to lay that out with an urgent crisis at the border. >> the facilities are run by hhs not dhs. and that's sort of where the bottleneck is happening, right? these migrants are supposed to be processed, get out there within 72 hours and what's happening is you have many more people in the customs and border patrol issues than should be. jacob, you speak to the tension of empathy and deterrence and the fact that this ultimately goes back to immigration policy in the united states. it also goes back to foreign policy, right? the root cause of this is what's happening in the triangle countries and a combination of semi-failed states and not sexy to talk about but climate change, hurricanes decimating parts of the world and these are climate refugees in a lot of respect. >> i've seen it with my own eyes. i've been to guatemala where when i was there there's people and villages children dying of starvation by crop failure exacerbated by climate change and the right likes to poke fun at that but that's the fact of the matter on the ground there and when you talk to people and why they're leaving, nobody wants to leave but what do you do when five children in the village died before we got because of malnutrition? there is no other option and mitigation of those things which the trump administration defunded despite evidence from the dhs that it helped and worked. that is how you start to solve the problem on the ground and can't just in the northern triangle countries. you have to look at policy here and what exactly it means and deterrence is a failed policy. no stern language from president obama nor president trump. nor president biden is going to stop people from coming because they have no other option. >> it feels like today is the moment where the biden administration is back on the the front foot with address this situation. do you agree with that? >> it's a tough -- a good question but a tough question to answer. you have the vice president saying i will be the point person, the person talking to mexico and honduras and el salvador and the new images coming out but as jacob said so many weeks of people asking tough questions. why aren't we able to see the facilities? a good part of this being on the front foot is why don't we let reporters let people into the facilities which are as you said those cpb facilities where kids are sleeping on the ground? and then also what is the actual policy going to be? i've been talking to white house officials saying when is the vice president going to go to the countries? what is her policy changes? is there a policy change in terms of unaccompanied minors? they're still getting the things in alignment, ducks in a row here. there's a pivot but not sure that the decades old complex problem that the white house has a real solution or even a good grasp of the things that happened. i have been talking to imgrants who look at president biden and no matter the policy they see him and say that's somebody who's more moral, acting as a father, a consoler in chief. if i send my 3-year-old scared child away from disasters or gangs this is the president to send them to. this is the government to trust him with. that calculation is going to be bigger than anything that the biden mrs says in terms of people's decisions to flee where they're coming from to come to the united states. >> it is not by accident many people around the world think joe biden is more moral and more emphathetic than his predecessor. thank you so much for starting us off. jacob and robert are sticking around. when we come back, how president biden is managing the ambitious agenda and juggling the hits that keep coming compared to the defiance and disinformation of the trump administration. and there's a fight on capitol hill today about voting rights but democratic senators say it's much more than that. the future of american democracy is at stake. a first look at a facility housing children and teens on the border in texas as theist seeks to manage the surge of migrant families coming here. all those stories and more when "deadline white house" continues after this. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile, we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g to bring speeds as fast as wi-fi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed, who says you can't have it all? 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>> i say this as an american citizen. it is high. i have to admit. the several of deliberation, consequence, appreciating consequence, not trying to push it down the road or blow it up but actually trying to deal wit, it is the challenge of governing. what you are seeing is 43 years of leadership in the united states senate, 8 years as vice president of the united states culminating in how the president is responding at this hour. what yamiche said is so important. that you have people not just in the triangle nations but around the globe looking at america and this president and going, i trust this guy. i believe he's going to try his best to get it right and a value added for any president, not just a democratic president but any president. i think joe biden found a way -- not dismissing the difficulties but i think we need to not overreact as if oh my god, what are you going to do and get it done? he had no runway coming into office. he had no transition as you just reported so the reality for him is very different than it would have been for any other president including donald trump so the confidence level of the american people is high. he's gotten covid out the door and the people are behind him on it. laying tracks for the crisis at the border. showing compassion for families affected by gun violence in georgia. so full plate. but he's walking us through it with him and makes a difference. >> robert, it sounds from reporting today that indeed the administration may not actually be spiritually crushed by this but in fact emboldened, that all of these crises might be proof positive that huge structural need is necessary and they are the ones to do it. >> absolutely. the big problems present to presidents big chances to make a big difference. look. the study in contrast as you said couldn't be clearer. trump seemed to thrive in an atmosphere of chaos and disorder. in the way he ran the white house. and in how he reacted to events. i'm struck by when you watch joe biden come out in atlanta and talk about the violence in the -- against asian-american, or on stops yesterday empathizing around gun violence, i think that empathy that we so desire from our presidents to speak not as political parties but as one person leading one country, i think that will serve him well. i also think there's a process inside of this white house, governed by people who have the experience in understanding how to deal with tough challenges. again, putting something into place that allows you to think through what do we have to do? when do we have to do it? getting it ultimately done. we're still waiting on infrastructure week in the trump administration. you know? again, it gives you a sense like it was never going to happen. there's a cusp on the order of a $3 trillion infrastructure investment. >> everyone wants it to be infrastructure week soon, right? even this biden administration. >> was it ever not infrastructure? >> michael, axios is reporting people close to biden tell us he's feeling bullish on what he can accomplish. biden loves the growing narrative that he is bolder and bigger thinking than president obama. he compared it this week to nuclear winter. i sort of feel like if you're inside the white house you are like, bring the nuclear winter on. >> yeah. republicans, go big with the president. if he wants to go big, go big with him. what's to stop you from putting up a big, bold plan on the table to deal with the situation at the border or infrastructure or covid? deal with health care. education. pick a subject. govern. put out the plan. so go big with the president. i don't know why you see that as a threat. why is that a threat? and i think that's where a lot of our politics is gotten in the gutter where when a president or any government official says we'll try to do a bold thing everybody's like, uh-huh, good luck with that. what -- what is the problem? go big with him. and that's where we have the conversation about how we get the big things done. as robert was saying. this is a big moment. go big. okay. democrats want to go big. republicans, what you got? >> robert, i do want to talk about obama in this because it's mentioned in the quote we just read and so many of the people in the biden administration are former obama hands. lessons clearly have been learned from the american relief act onwards and i wonder how much you think that is an animating force driving big, big change. >> certainly lessons learned but understand, too, the underlying situation is fundamentally different. i have seen and read stories about this. nobody would be happier and more proud of what president biden is doing on going big to meet structural change than president obama would be. right? but let's be clear. there was nobody, nobody in the senate, many of the people that are currently in the senate that would like to do it through reconciliation, nobody saying in february of 2009, let's put $2 trillion in the economy. the times are very different and they demand different things. president obama made strides on climate change and got the united states into the paris agreement. trump paused it. we are now almost ten years beyond that. to catch up to make progress on climate change will require an even greater investment in clean energy than president obama put in through the recovery act so the times dictate challenges that are larger because political problems and policy problems in washington are not like wine. they don't get better with age. they get worse with age which requires a bigger solution for progress. >> you get the sense that this administration understands it is not about today or tomorrow or next month. this is about the big picture for the american economy, for the american legacy, for american democracy. and don't worry about right now. think about the future. >> yeah. i think there's a lot of that animating the president's rhetoric and his actions right now. i think he is trying to re-establish hope for a lot of americans out there. yes, that includes trump supporters, too. you know? it is not a man trying to govern for one half of the country, to do things for just a small cabal of folks in the corner of the room. i think of the immigration piece if i could, i want to echo something that francesco desanto said. look at a marshal plan for this region. look at a marshal plan that sort of takes -- makes a big, bold statement not just in terms of dealing with the border but we are going do look at the region, look at the southern hemisphere collectively and engage those nation states differently than we have up to this president sy. that's what president biden i think is trying to position his administration to do, not just in that space but others. >> owe won't get the problem solved without that. >> exactly. >> look at what's happening back home. republicans across the country are mobilizing around voter suppression and how that fight is spilling out to capitol hill. that and more coming up next. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa ♪ ♪ locating your parked car with the touch of a button might seem... excessive. unless... getting lost is the whole point. ♪ ♪ psst! psst! allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! you're good. if you smell gas, you're too close. leave the structure, call 911, keep people away, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. as we continue to return to classrooms... parents like me want to make sure we're doing it safely. especially in the underserved communities hardest hit by covid. trust me, no one wants to get back to classroom learning more than teachers like me. using common sense safety measures like masks, physical distancing, and proper ventilation. safety is why we're prioritizing vaccinations for educators. because together, we all have a responsibility to do our part. and together, we will get through this, safely. if you see wires down, treat them all as if they're hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. this is infuriating. i would like to ask my republican colleagues, why are you so afraid of democracy? why instead of trying to win voters over that you lost in the last election are you trying to prevent them from voting? some of these voter suppression laws in georgia and other republican states smack of jim crow rearing its ugly hid once again. >> today an unusually fiery debate in the senate rules commit tee with voter rules with an appearance by the majority and minority leaders. republican are nearly unanimous in the opposition of a bill that democrats are pushing. calling it a democratic power grab and arguing for individual state control. but it is that control democrats say that is already allowed widespread republican voter suppression efforts to succeed across the country. joining us is erin haynes at the 19th and a nbc news contributor and michael steele. democrats see this as an epic battle over the future of american democracy. there seems to be a deep chasm that separates the two parties and it is really just a question of who's going to win. where do you see the winds blowing on this issue? >> alex, you are exactly right. i think the 2020 election basically came down to a battle between voter suppression versus voter turnout, even as you had black organizers in states like georgia working like crazy to get people on the rolls to work to expand the electorate to attempt to overcome the voter suppression tactics in the midst of a pandemic. you see people trying to fight this as the local level but now the senate having a first hearing on the voting rights legislation here today. and what's interesting, we have a q&a with amy klobuchar, co-chair of the senate rules committee, who talks about the reality that she sees the need for filibuster reform if republicans intend to obstruct this voter rights legislation but what we are seeing in state houses across the country with republicans really kind of digging into this issue of election integrity despite the election was the most safe and secure as deemed by our own federal government because that is something that they're committed to i think that's something to see echoed on capitol hill so i know that democratic voters certainly addressing voting rights is manager that they told me they voted for in 2020 so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. >> the democrats are united in the opposition to the efforts and willing to put the nuclear option on the table, get rid of the filibuster but don't underestimate the several of unity on the issue. family research council, they are pouring in resources to help move this issue across states and today reporting from "the new york times" that the heritage action for america foundation which is a wing of the heritage foundation is coordinating the writing of the legislation to disenfranchise people across the country. i'll read an excerpt from that. of the 68 bills pertaining to voting at least 23 had similar language or firmly rooted in the principles in the heritage group's letter and an extensive report two days later. ushering in a raft of restrictions they're prodded by party leaders and outside groups working to establish principles to the efforts to claw back access to voting. it is stunning the level of coordination and funding going into preventing americans from voting. >> it is. it is a sad testament to this once proud party that this is how low that they have sunk, so afraid of the black vote to shut it out and shut it down. they're not doing this in white neighborhoods. white communities may feel the residual effect of the state laws passed. see how they react and respond then. but we know what the frontal attack is. so let's be honest about what it is and about the fact that if you can't win an election on your ideas and the presentation of good candidates this is what your go-to is. how do you defend it? the federal government's already said, this is a clean election. given the crap to go through to get here to this election with covid and the economy and the tension on the nation's streets, we did damn well in pulling this off. we did it cleanly. there were hiccups but we did it cleanly and that's coming from the justice department, coming from all the appropriate agencies that look at this and what the voters need to understand is let the state legislators pass, take note of every name and then use that at the next opportunity you have to vote to show up, turn out and turn them out. because that's the only way to nip this in the bud because they have success going into 2022 with this, wait until you get to 2024, baby. because then it is a whole other ball game. >> errin, there is a concerted gaslighting around this issue, right? the rnc said this is about election integrities and transparency and the officials that opinion late these transparency and integrity initiatives are many of the same people pushing the stop the steal narrative. that's also reported in "the new york times". this cannot be ignored. >> you're exactly right, alex. this is a solution that continues to be in search of a problem and this is an old fight that is perhaps happening in a new day but definitely an old fight. just to the previous question to michael, now today is the heritage foundation but a decade ago covering the georgia legislature and pushing voter i.d. bills, pioneering that legislation, it was the american legislative executive council with model legislation in state houses across the country to curtail voting rights through voter i.d. laws and we see the big lie, of course, is getting attention now because you it being championed by former president trump and this is something that the republican party lou espoused especially at the state house level and saying there's a need to address election integrity and at the ballot box but the truth is that there's frankly no widespread evidence of voter fraud happening in our democracy. we know that this is meant to have a chilling effect, specifically for communities of color who tend to vote democratic in an attempt to shrink the electorate and i guess the assumption is that would give republicans an edge at the ballot box but this is certainly not about election integrity because that is not an issue in the democracy. >> it is -- it is a distinctly calculated effort let's just say on the part of republicans to make sure the numbers go their way. there's no data around it and thinking about how best to weaponize the brake light box in terms of this legislation and the proposals. next, that first look notice the hhs facility housing migrant teens and kids. join us on the other side of this break. 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>> reporter: we just came out of this hhs facilities in carrizo springs, texas. it's important to know it's an hhs facility. the video and images we have seen in the overcrowding of the border and protection facilities, that's where migrant children first go. they're supposed to go from there to these facilities within 72 hours. we know from our reporting it's taking much longer. i want to tell you what i saw inside. i went with this delegation. we were not allowed to speak to the children, but i saw plenty of migrant children here in the facility. they waved to us. we saw them playing soccer. it's a hot day here in texas, about 80 degrees, yet we saw plenty of them outside, some of them wearing knit hats that the officials here in the compound tell me, they actually any of themselves. it was quite interesting to see. a facility of 13 to 17-year-old children all males. in this facility there are 766 migrant children right now. there's a capacity of 952 in this facility. the highest they have reached is 800, so in context we were here back in 2019 during the trump administration, that opened the facility back then. they had a capacity higher, about 1700 or so, but they only got several hundred back this and the facility closed within several weeks. we first went into an intake center -- first i should tell you a bit of background. we went in, took covid tests, me and my crew, when we came in. when you what you can into the facility there's an american flag at the top of that facility. there is a sign painted on the main structure. so they are welcoming the children. they are given a duffel bag with clothes and a hygiene kit and they undergo a covid test. i told you that number an 700 or so children in here right now, 766. you have that number, 108 had tested positive for covid-19 during the intake process. 108 of them. what happens when they do test positive? they are then taken to the dormitories. they have i believe about 190-some-odd dormitory beds with negative pressure. they are isolated for a number of days. we then went from the intakes facilities to a dining hall as well. they weren't dining at the time, but there was also a physical education class, a massive tent where there was a physician education class under way. they were looking at an instructor, who was kind of teaching them a class virtually, doing pushups inside this tent. again all the while there were multiple groups, about a dozen kids each, playing soccer outside. we noticed there were several trailers inside this facility that were set aside for legal representation. the minors are taken there, often meeting with nonprofits or lawyers virtually we're told. we also saw dormitories where four children are in one berm each. a typical day starts with breakfast at 7:00, then six hours of construction, a midday snack, lunch, also, you know, they play soccer undulate in the day. we did press the white house here. access by journalists has been a touchy issue. we've been here along the border for weeks. we've been asking for access to the facilities. it should be noted that customs and border protection has not provided access. it released a handout of a video of two facilities. this is, again an hhs facility, which is the next step after they come from cbp custody. these facilities, even historically back in the trump administration, were generally not crowded. the question and the huge question on whether this situation escalates at the southern border, is whether the biden administration can get a hold on this. the congressional delegation, including henry quear, who released photos, he criticized the biden administration at the time for not moving fast enough. the question is, can they be processed from this facilities quickly enough to be placed with sponsors inside the country? we have spoken with rank-and-file border patrol agents who say hhs is really holding up the process. they say they can process the migrant children quick enough, but there's not enough bed space. we pressed the biden administration about this, know that the number had risen several months before they took office. they say two main reasons. one, covid, according to them, has reduced bed capacity by 40%. they say the previous policies by a hiring freeze on hhs, has slowed this whole process down and they're moving as quickly as they can. nicolle, again, we've been to these facilities before and during the trump administration. they did allow reporters in, sometimes with, sometimes without camera. and alex, we have also been to these facilities before, so there's certainly many questions about why it took so long for the biden administration to actually allow reporters in. but we did see this facility. the tour itself took about two hours or so. again, it was great to see finally up close this facility, finally after we've been waiting for several weeks, asking for this access. still many unanswered questions about where the biden administration goes from here and whether hhs can ramp up quick enough in order to get these migrant children to sponsors here in the country. there'sle other policy discussions, is it sustainable to allow unaccompanied minors to stay in this country, where -- what type of message does that send to central america? some of the border patrol agents and law enforcement officials we have spoken with say that essentially gives the green light to either drug smugglers or migrants in some of these countries in southern mexico, that there's a perception that the border has more lenient policies. according to the biden administration officials we spoke with, they're saying these seasonal, that the migrants come here every year. yes, we are seeing more unaccompanied minors this time, but they're going to ramp up the bed capacity in order to handle this. >> gabe, i know you're in the field so you don't have access to the studio field. you know it's me, nicolle is off right now. >> reporter: sorry about that. >> all good. you're attending to much more important feeds. we're getting a live field. you were the reporter on the ground here. we haven't yet seen the conditions inside. we haven't seen the picture from inside this hhs facility. can you give us sort of a mosh robust picture of what it's like inside? also the ages of the children who you saw in are they older? younger? a few looked like they were teenagers? do we know how long they will be held in this facility? >> reporter: again i can't see the footage. this was raw footage. we do have video from inside the facility the ages range from 13 to 17 years old. they are all males here at this particular facility. older children, teenagers, and that differs, though, from what i saw back in 2018, where there were also young girls in this facility. >> did they give us a sense of how long these children will be held there? there are certain categories of children to be put in place with sponsors in the country. one of the categories is they have a family member, a parent, a close relative that they can identify. they need to verify that these family members, before they could be placed in their custody, those children are able to leave this facility much quicker. it make take only a few dates. then extending all way into a child doesn't know anyone, that they can't establish a contact, that could take over 100 days. there was an official from a nonprofit that runs this that told me processing time here, the holding time here is up to 30 days or so, the average time, but that greatly depends on each individual child. again, i want to stress, this is different, alex, than the cbp, the customs and border protection facilities, where they're originally picked up. those are the images we have been seeing over the past couple days of overcrowding at those facilities. here, we did not see that overcrowding. the kids seem calm. but as several members of congress have pointed out, several critics of the admission have pointed out they don't want these children here longer than necessary. these facilities were not meant to hold kids for an extended period of time. the question is, are we moving fast enough to conduct the background tests? should they not have seen this coming? given the increase of migrants at the end of the trump administration? should they have done a better job of ramping up this bed space? where does it go from here? are they going fast enough? there's another facility that should house several hundred children here in carrizo springs that's set to open in the future. gabe making a distinction between customs and hhs, which are longer-term facilities, they're more amenable to children. you've been at the border, and know the situation better than anybody else here. what are your thoughts as you see this unfold? >> first of all, great reporting by gabe, as always. i agree, we still need access -- not just us, but local journalists, people on the ground who have covered these issues, to get inside the facilities. if you don't mind, i have a couple questions for gabe myself, alex. gabe, you mentioned -- number one, you couldn't talk to the kids. that's not unusual. we've all been in that situation before, but just based on your judgment, how are the kids doing in the facilities after leaving a facility that was so overcrowded even the homeland security secretary himself said it was no place for children. the other thing i found was interesting, you had there was about 766 kids there now, but the capacity is 952. if the issue in the border patrol stations is, they have no room, why is it there's almost 200 additional beds it would seem inside this facility as you tour it, while there's still a backup at the border patrol stations? >> reporter: that's an extremely good question, jacob. again about 180, off the top of my head, of the beds are in isolation, negative pressure, so they set those aside that test positive for covid. you're exactly right. while it isn't at capacity, given what we have seen in the cbp facilities, it would seen be at capacity. so why weren't more of these facilities ramped up before this surge? again, the biden administration, they're saying that part of that was due to covid, part of that was due to the policies of the previous administration, the transition, perhaps things didn't get done as quickly as they could have. they've only been in office for a short time, but jacob, you know this as well as anyone, this is something that critics say the administration should have seen coming. there are many questions on whether to deal with this crisis quickly enough. the crisis they say is more of a humanitarian crisis in central america, one, it's a crisis that the administration's critics say is happening right here on the southern border. yesterday we rode along with law enforcement officials along the rio grande. they are not border patrol, who has been denying ride-alongs, but state and local officials have been telling us this is a much busier stretch than they have seen in the last few weeks. the rio grande alone 9,000 migrants they have run across in just the last two weeks. those 9,000 migrants, many of them are children. we saw it during our area tour yesterday. where do they go? they're going to end up in facilities like this one. if there's only, say, 100 or so beds open here, they'd have to open new ones. hhs is asking the pentagon to help house migrants in it can it can military facilities. they may have to open other facilities in california, perhaps in florida. there are other hhs shelters spread throughout the country, but this is a question of capacity at this point. this is why we're seeing those overcrowded situation at those cbp facilities. >> gabe, i want to follow up on jacob's question. in this facility you're touring, if it's not at capacity, even with the limitations imposed by covid, was an explanation offered? we're hearing capacity, capacity, capacity is a problem, that's why there's a bottleneck, but here is where people are supposed to end up, but there's empty beds. >> reporter: it's a snapshot, right? at one point they reach 800 beds here, the capacity is over 900, one of the reasons for this particular facility is a certain number of these beds are for people who test positive for covid. so they need to set aside a few of those bets in case they get an influx of children who test positive for covid, so they always have a bit of a reserve. so that's why we were giving the reason for why this one isn't at or above capacities. >> jacob, i know you have a follow-up. >> gabe, one other thing, on this tour, you were there with not only members of congress, but with an hhs official and i think the chief of staff to the first lady jill biden was also with you. while you were inside, we reported that hhs officials, both career and political, have asked for additional capacity at the end of the trump administration and they didn't get it. were you able to glean from the officials you were with how we ended up in this place? why is this happening now? why are there not enough influx facilities at the beginning of the biden administration? did they offer any fingerpointing or blame or admission why they weren't ready when you were out there with them? >> the hhs official we spoke with, and we did enter view her, she said she's only been here since early february, since the beginning of the biden administration. she didn't choose to comment on the record about that, but we can say that there is, among the officials we spoke with that were here from the biden administration, they do place blame on the trump administration for not moving fast enough towards the end of its administration and during the transition. i'm sure thatecho d with your comments. gabe, we will be looking more to more of that reporting through the evening, and jacob soboroff, thank you both. when we return, shocking developments into the investigation of the white house riot. 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a lot of this is odd. one of the things that's extremely odd is the thing you talked about, the fact that all of these ties are staffording to come together. we know that roger stone reportedly had used members of the oath keepers for security, and at least one person has been scooped up in these very slow, you know, arrests for being involved in the capitol siege. we know that the oathkeepers have military and police ties. that's part of what gets people in. it's police, meaning they know how to use force and have used it as part of their careers. we know the proud boys have these ties as well. the leader also used to bed head of latinos for trump. it was not officially tied to the trump campaign, but that was his connection. he bragged about being in the white house, not with trump there, allegedly, but having a tour. there are all these connections, one thing you can't escape is they all have a deep allegiance to donald trump personally. they have ties to wanting to keep him in office at all costs, and they had the tactical means and the human resources to know how to try to do that by force. it's a pretty scary set of facts starting to play out. >> luke, when you look at sort of the financial evidence on hand that nbc news is reporting, that these donations increased after the election, as trump is making this concerted public effort to undermine or tear up the results of the november elections, what are the implications there as far as president trump? >> well, we did see a concerted effort by the trump campaign to fundraise off the false statements and the lie that the election had been stolen. remember back to those days, there was constant text messages and e-mails blasted out to supporters, and many people believed at the time that these false statements was just about raising money for his p.a.c., and tricking his -- not well-informed supporters into believing the election had been stolen as a way to raise money for whatever he wanted to do next. as we saw, those lies had damaging consequences, that people became radicalized, and extremist groups from across the country -- the proud boys in florida, the 3 percenters from colorado, the oath keepers from different parts of the country, qanon supporters, these people would never have met under other circumstances, but they were united by the stop the steal movement, this idea that really emanated from the president himself that the election had been stolen, and every single claim was debumped and shot down by court after court, but it grabbed hold in social media, and became a rallying cry. we see now with the case playing out in federal court, and of course the tragic death of officer sicknick. >> frank, the coordination or at least the coordinated messaging between the trump campaign and supporters, and then the coordination between the groups themselves, the fact that oath keepers, 3 percenters, and proud boys, how meaningful is it that they were in communication? >> this is the first, at least, court document that points a conspiracy between extreme groups. it begs the question, how did they get to know each other? who put them in touch with each other? what were they planning? i think we're headed towards sedition charges. i wrote a column on this topic. a couple phrases jump out at me. one of them you mentioned, we're going to shut this bleep down. shut what down? the electoral college vote is what it sounds like. there's another quote in there that says, this isn't going to be a rally. so a defense that we were showing up for a trump rally is not going to cut it with what these communications tell us. prosecutors only file in these motions what they have to, a minimum to what they have to file for a judge to get their motion passed. this is more coming, is what i'm saying. there's more encrypted communication or social media communications that may show further -- what does the sedition statute say? preventing or hindering a delay in the execution of a law. the old investigative adage following the money will apply here. all of that fund-raising after the election will be tracked and monitored to see exactly whether or not it was used to fund this very insurrection. >> frank, you bring up a good point. i want to make sure everybody is well aware of what you are saying. this idea that has been argued over, did the insurrectionists specifically want to stop the election certification. was it their explicit intention to storm the capitol? you're saying based on this communication, let's shut this bleep down, that could be the smoking gun, if you will. >> the defendants already hard-pressed to show it's not. the purpose is on the -- burden of proof is on the prosecution. they're certainly looking at conspiracy. there's talk they're looking at rico, racketeering charges. it could be sending a message moving forward, these groups are inimical to what the u.s. stands for. if you join it, we're going to attack you as a violent organization. >> luke, you have reported on the connection between groups and members of congress, we're talking about tracking the money back to trump. one would imagine there's going to be the same financial examination in terms of where members of congress have gotten their money and the direct ties they may have financially to some of these supporters who later stormed the capitol. >> yes, certainly. there's internal investigations going on in congress right now to see if there are any of these direction ties beyond simply sending out messages on social media, and in fact there have been meetings between some of the extremist groups and some of the members of congress. what hasn't been found yet is there were direct ties in terms of coordination for the events of january 6th. we have social media posts for members of congress encouraging, obviously, using revolutionary rhetoric about january 6th, saying this is the 1776 moment, things like that, that would encourage this type of behavior, but we have not established that there were tours of the capitol or direct coordination like that, which has been alleged but not proven. so that's something that still remains to be seen. in terms of financial ties, that is another thing that's being probed at the moment, but we have not seen yet any direct evidence that members of congress provided financial support to the mob. >> joy, the reality is that i think a lot of members of congress, at least ones i have spoken to in the course of my reporting, democrats, are really very concerned about how compromised rep members of congress are in this investigation. there's new security protocols, but we have news there's a new sergeant-at-arms, a general, a woman who has battlefield experience? when i hear that, i applaud the choice of a woman leading the law enforcement presence there, but i'm also aware of the fact we're picking someone who is battle tested. the signals that sends the american public and members of congress, who may be worried about their own safety inside the has of congress, that we need someone who has witnessed battle to be keeping members of congress safe. >> i think we both talked to members of congress, alex, who have said they're not sure they can trust every other member of congress. they are people on the republican side, who got the sense they were on the side of the sea of people sieging the capitol. ron johnson essentially declared those people to be his people, saying they were good people. he said he wasn't afraid of them, even though he ran with everyone else. again, i take it back to the roger stone angle. first of all, for one thing, where is ali alexander, who was the original organizer of stopple steal. he named names. where is he? has he been, you know, brought into custody? he seemed to have a lot of information about members of congress. back to roger stone again, let's not forget, 20 years ago roger stone tried the same thing with the intent of flipping an election in florida, where he cooked up a fake riot in miami-dade where election officials were trying to count ballot. his intent was not to have the a show, but stop the election counting he's been at this all these times. he keeps showing up all the time, not just to trump, but to these other groups. look, coincidences take a lot of planning as malcolm nance like to saying. if they all have some sort of connection to donald trump and who all wanted the same thing, which was the count for joe biden to stop, for the election process to stop, so that donald trump could remain in office, if you're going to plan a coup in the united states, this is what you do. you find people like the proud boys, you get people like the oath keepers and three percenters, make-different militias who have ties to one man and operate exactly like they did on jan 6th. the leaks coming out of department of justice, michael sherwin speaks to "60 minutes" a district judge saying i may issue a gag order. what does that tell you about the difficulty merrick garland, as head of the justice department, may have in getting this case across the finish line? >> i think we're seeing unfortunately the partisanship and polarization bleed into the department of justice. even lingering officials from the trump administration. don't forget that interview on "60 minutes" on cbs, that's an official that was serving as an interim u.s. attorney. he felt the need to have his 15 minutes of fame and talk about how he thinking sedition charges are coming. whether it was an attempt to resurrect himself and his reputation because of being tainted with association with trump, i don't know, but it was wholly inappropriate. >> never seen a doj officials speak in that detail about the most significant case facing doj. it's inappropriate, i'll be surprised if he does not lose his job over it, and merrick garland has to send a message -- i'm going to deal severely with people who interrupt and actually undermine pending investigations at doj. michael sherwin an appointee of bill barr. thank you all. when we return, the biden white house on defense over asian-american representation in the top levels of government. the standoff with two democratic senators may be over, but for many the battle continues. the red stayed vaccine skepticses who are making it harder for the rest of us to end the pandemic. 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is that where this battle ends? >> well, i think, alex, it comes down to what that actually means. will the liaison have a direct line to the president? will it have a portfolio far bequlond ample api issues and being a liaison to the community? true progress on this front, to us, i think, means having people at the seat of the table not just when asian-american issues are front and center. we want to have a say in those all issues are decided, we want to have someone at the table as the administration, the president and the white house decide how to pursue policy agenda. it's not enough to have someone there that's a token representative, that doesn't have any real authority, real influence, real access. the person has to actually be someone who is relevant within the administration whose advice and counsel is sought after and listened to by the president and his advisers, so ultimately, whether this is enough, it will be determined by what that role really looks like and what the details are and who will be serving in that capacity. >> your sense that the biden administration has learned from this, i mean, it's obviously hard to tell from the outside, but i guess i wonder, if you get, you know, being a creature of politics, whether you get a sense of whether this is a hat tip or a corner turning. >> i'd like to think it's corner turning. i'd like to thin when you have someone with pbs pbs, a team that has assembled a very diverse cabinet, administration, that they take this very seriously, that we can trust them at face value. they have certainly not done anything right now that makes me want to doubt them. part of why this election was so important is because we felt the last for you years we didn't have a seat at the table and the people in power were hostile against us, raising the instruments of government to oppress us and hold us down. with all the issues recently, president biden has been there. he's been vocal. he didn't need to be prompted. he didn't delay or wait. he has stepped up and said the right things at the right times, so i'd like to believe after what we saw from senators hirono and duckworth sounding the alarm, they are taking this seriously and this isn't a fly by the seat of their pants moment. >> donna it this also seems to be a faxal -- it seemed for a minute there were cracks. you have two democratic senators saying we're going to stop your nominees from getting confirmed unless you take our concerns seriously. as we know, the balance of power in the senate, democrats cannot afford to lose any democratic senators on anything. what is the lesson here about democratic party unity? >> well, look, i'm a fan of hardball. i actually applaud the efforts of the senators in raising these concerns. they were raising they issues from the beginning as this administration was being put together, and so it wasn't new. the fact that they now, especially in the wake of what happened, the tragedy in atlanta, continued to raise these issues and say, look, it is not enough for you to say that you have a diverse cabinet in there. we can point to, you know, catherine, the trade envoy and others, but that's not at the highest levels. so i think it was appropriate to raise a concern. look, you can't take any vote for granted when it comes to senators, because the margins are so thing, but i think it also means that the administration and white house are going to have to pay particular attention to concerns that could easily and predictably fracture the democratic caucus. this was one of the them that they had a bit of forewarning on and it bubbled over. fortunately they have been able to hold that dike in place right now, but for any of us who come from communities that have not always been at the table, we want a voice. our issues span the spectrum. it's not just about having the one seat at the table, but it's also having a voice on the range of issues that impact our communities. i can certainly feel that for the aapi community. you know what? it's no different for me as a black woman. >> lessons are being learned, intersectionality are real, and communities of color are working together to push for changes. kirk, thank you for your time, donna is staying with us. we have a real problem that could hurt our chances of beating covid-19. that's next. f beating covid-19 that's next. hmmm... where to go today? la? vegas? no, the desert. let's listen to this. louder. take these guys? i mean, there's room. maybe next time, fellas. now we're talking. alright. let's. go. an alarming trend, the growing number of white republicans who say they will avoid getting the vaccine. according to a poll last month from the keizer family foundation's poll said 28% would not be getting the vaccines. let's bring in ron hill-yard in perrineville, missouri, and donna edwards is back with us. vaughn, you're at the heart of the issue here. why are people saying they won't get vaccinated. >> mcdonald county, missouri, donald trump won it with 85% of the vote in november here. this is overwhelmingly white, conservative, rural. yet what you hear from folks is this consistent distrust in the government. you could say it's more than just a vaccine. you heard it in the election, you're now hearing it with taking the vaccine. you said the number was 28%. well, if you take into accounts, they also saying they're going to wait and see, that number is about half of self-identified rpgs. what dr. fauci said 70% to 90% of the population getting vaccinated, well, you can see how far off the numbers are. just here in mcdonald county, just 5% only is fully vaccinated. i want you to hear from chris thacker. >> i'm not going to get it. i don't feel feel like -- i take vitamins. i think after a while i might take it, but right now i think i might just wait. >> reporter: alex, i've been in more liberal communities, particularly black and brown communities, where vaccination rates are also low, about you in those communities, consistently hearing it's a matter of needs, assets, ability to get the appointments. but here that's not the case. they just need to call up. there's literally tomorrow a vaccine clinics just down the road and there are vaccines available. it's a matter of folks calling up and getting them. here, again, just 5% are fully vaccinated, 8% have received their first dose. >> donna, to the question of skepticism, there's been a targeted campaign of -- information campaign directed at those communities. again, while numbers among communities of color are not where we want to be, they are climbing. the more time goes on, and the more information campaigns and ps psa's ps a's, the importance of trust the messengers in the communities, and i think what's happening in black and brown communities, neighborhood and community doctors stepping forward, pastors of churches, community leaders, those people taking the vaccine, demonstrating it. i think you can see, you know, by comparison climbing rates of vaccinations in those communities. i think the same thing has to take place with these skeptical white republicans, who oddly enough donald trump developed the vaccine -- i mean, helped develop it through his operation warp speed. you would think that alone would be enough to drive their interests, but he didn't do enough to spur their interest in taking the vaccine. there are going to need to be trusted messages in their communities, demonstrating the evocation. i think the cdc could do a lot in terms of helping with the messages to make that happen as well. >> vaughn, did you get a sense where trump not getting a vaccination in public affected the way they think about this? did you get a sense of who adequate ambassadors might be to convince them to get the vaccination? >> reporter: we asked within gentleman who set outright he won't get it, and president trump just acknowledged getting it, and he said, quote, i have not heard that. we should note the president only acknowledged he got it, but he got the vaccine when he was in the white has been no video published of that at all. there was that advertisement that came out last week that every former president john to jimmy carter were in that ad, along with george w. bush. yet, you didn't see president trump there. we should note, look at the u.s. capital. the house of representatives, there are still 100 members of congress, leaders of communities like this here in southern missouri who have not gotten their vaccine. when there is 100 members of congress, leaders of their communities that have yet to get the vaccine, that trickles down to communities like this. >> i know there was a video made by former presidents all talks about getting their vaccinations, except for president trump. i wonder if there was any reverse about whether he should have been included about that given where members of his own party are in preventing potentially the greater country from the largest country from reaching herd immunity. >> i don't know what was behind him not being included in that video. but i will say is that i think that the former president just made a huge mistake in turning his signature effort of operation warp speed into a downer for his own supporters and people who follow him. and, so, whether it's done, you know, with the former presidents or in some other capacity, it might be that would help. but i tend to think it is your neighbors, friends and trusted leaders in your communities who have more of an impact on your decision to get a vaccine than even the former presidents, as good as that might be. >> so no special dispensation and allow him to get on twitter to tweet about it? 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