i never thought of before. how do we get out of here? if we have to get out somewhere other than where we came in, and i don't think we thought about our grocery stores that way before. >> you know, i was thinking along the same lines when i was reading the initial eyewitness accounts yesterday, before we really knew the full scale of what had happened. people talked about finding the ways to the staff areas of the floor, off the floor, people running through the stock areas and jumps off the loading docks. to try to get away yesterday, and reading those eyewitness accounts yesterday, i realized, i worked stocking shelves. i have been in those sorts of places in stores. but in a panic, would you know to do that? would i have my wits about me? we shouldn't have to think about these things in civilian life. that is how we have to live as americans. the political system is broken. >> yeah, we have to think about all the different things wherever we go, and the list of places we have to worry about expands. it constantly expands. >> yeah. indeed. thanks. >> thank you, rachel. thank you. >> well, american mass murderer came to the grocery store yesterday. and now we know, when we enter stores in america, we have to be alert of every route of escape. we have to go to a grocery store the way kids go to school in this country. after they have been trained on what to do when mass murder comes to the elementary school or to their high school. colorado taught us to worry about our schools 20 years when 13 people were killed in littleton, colorado. colorado taught us how to worry about escape routes in movie theaters when 12 people were murdered eight years ago, and now grocery stores. we have also of course in the meantime learned about churches. our first guest tonight, knows what it's like. he knows what the families and the loved ones of the people murdered in colorado yesterday are going through what they went through last night. he knows what the day after is like. he knows what the year after is like and what eight years after is like. his son was murdered in that movie theater in aurora, colorado, and he faces a political party that does everything it possibly can to make sure that american mass murderers are the very best equipped mass murderers in the world. he was nice. that is how karina keo members denny stong. on facebook, he wrote, i am a grocery store worker. he was a kind soul. he was the youngest person murdered in the king sooper store yesterday. neven stanisic was in the store yesterday to repair a starbucks machine. he was just finished with the job, and sitting in the driver's seat when he was shot dead. friends think he might have been the first victim. rikki olds was a 35-year-old manager at king soopers. her uncle described the agony last night. we had to wait and agonize over her fate for several hours after calls to the police department and every local hospital and the coroner's office, we finally received a call back from the coroner's office. rikki olds, on facebook, the lord got a beautiful angel yesterday at the hands of a monsser. tralono bartkowiak went to king soopers to pick up a prescription. friends say she was the kindest and sweetest lady. her brother says his sister was just a beam of light. teri leiker worked at the job for 30 years and on facebook, she said her job was her favorite thing to do. her friend wrote, teri was the most selfless person i ever had the pleasure to meeting. the fact that a man decided to take away so much from so many in a matter of seconds angers. if you don't think we need gun reform, you're wrong. we don't to movie theaters without fear. we can't go to school without fear. now add going to the grocery store to that list. teri leiker was 50 years old. suzanne fountain helped people deal with medicare. she was an accomplished actor with credits in a number of regional theaters. and they found her utterly compelling in the role of laura in the glass menagerie. she was paid the ultimate compliment. she was very, very talented, and very smart, a pro, the real deal. she had the combination of smart -- talented. a person you can be locked in a rehearsal hall with for 30 days. kevin mahoney was 61 years old. his daughter said she was, quote, my hero. on twitter, erica said, my dad represents all things love. i'm so thankful he could walk me down the aisle last summer. i am now pregnant. i know he wants me to be strong for his granddaughter. lynn murray was a former photo director for magazines including cosmopolitan and glamour. she moved to boulder with her husband in 2002. her husband wants her to be remembered as a comet spending 62 years flying across the ji. jody waters was the person everyone knew. a friend said she was super engaging, dynamic, and beautiful. eric talley was 40 years old and working in information technology when he decided to join the boulder police force 11 years ago. he was the first boulder police officer to arrive at the scene of the shooting yesterday. >> i feel numb. and it's heart breaking. it's heart breaking to talk to victims. their families. you know, it's tragic. this officer had seven children. ages 5 to 18. i just had that officer's whole family in my office two weeks ago to give him an award. i can tell you he is a very kind man and he didn't have to go in policing. he had a profession before this. but he felt a higher calling. and he loved this community. and he's everything that policing deserves and needs. he carried about this community. he cared about boulder police department. he cared about his family. and he was willing to die to protect others. >> today, the president of the united states said this about the heroism of eric talley. >> he thought he would be coming home to his family and seven children. but in the moment the act came, he did not hesitate in misduty, making the sacrifice in an effort to save lives. that is a definition of an american hero. >> joining us now, colorado state representative tom sullivan whose son was killed in the aurora movie theater in 2012. thank you very much for joining us. you are now a representative in the colorado legislature, so i will be calling you representative sullivan. tell us what the families are going through tonight. the day after, the night after. >> well, you're starting to make the arrangements. family -- now that the names are gone out, you don't have to announce what happened to anybody. everybody else is going to know. you're going to find out who wants to come to town. you're starting to look for -- what kind of service you're going to have. you're figuring out funeral arrangements. you have to get time off work. you have to let others know. and you've got to come up with capsulized two minute quotes about what the last 27 years of your son's life has meant to you. because that's what you're going to get asked a lot about. >> i heard you say today that you don't know when you get that call, when you get that word, that your son has been killed, your family member has been murdered this way, you don't know that the news media is going to be asking, others will ask to you, what is the last thing you said to him? you don't know you have to memorize that? >> that's right. especially with your children. you expect them to be around all the time. so you don't -- you don't think that you have to remember the last time that you saw him and the last time they wore something. you don't have -- you don't think you have to remember to keep that extra -- that text message they sent you or to keep that phone message that they left on your phone, to say they can't make it over tonight or something. because, you know, you might not ever get another one. >> also, joining the discussion tonight, diana dejet of colorado, the prime sponsor in the last congress to ban the sale of high magazines. you represent the district that includes columbine high school. you have been through all the mass murders in colorado in the last 20 years. >> it's degette, lawrence, and i'm happy to be with mr. sullivan, my hero. columbine was my district, and i was in congress when it happened. and every time it happened -- and colorado has had a disproportionate amount of it. every time it happens, tom sullivan and others in colorado are retraumatized. it happens over and over. >> and representative sullivan, the killing of your son is what moved you in politics, isn't it? >> yeah, i had no aspirations to do this. but when that happened, and i went to washington, i testified, i tried to talk to people. they weren't taking my calls. they weren't doing things that i thought needed to happen. it became very apparent to me that i needed to get on the inside. i needed to be a part of that, that was actually writing the legislation and fighting for the victims of gun violence. >> congresswoman degette, you have signed on to the job where you must never give up and you must never entertain thoughts of giving up. people watching over the last 20 years, do not know how you keep trying to advance this cause. >> we have to. we have to for tom's son, for the ten people who perished yesterday. we have to keep it up. and the american public is with us. the two bills the u.s. house pass the last week, just on background checks, the two bills are in the senate now. maybe we can pass the bills but as the president said today, we have to be bold. we have to do much more. we have to ban assault weapons like the one that was used yesterday. like the one that was used in the aurora shooting, and we have to ban high capacity magazines. i believe the nra is losing power in washington but not quickly enough. ten more people were killed yesterday, and eight more in atlanta last week. >> representative sullivan, the city of boulder had banned the kind of assault weapon that was brought in the supermarket yesterday, and large capacity magazines. but a judge had blocked that -- that ban, there by allowing in the last week, at least one of the weapons to be purchased by the person who went in the supermarket yesterday. >> yeah, that's right. that is why we were incumbent on getting help from a federal level. we have already passed background checks in the state of colorado. we already passed high capacity magazine limits. we need help from the federal government to help banning assault rifles and other types of things. 90% of the american public is behind background checks but the last time it was brought to a vote, we could only get 56% of the sitting senators to be able to vote for it. and that's wrong. they're not listening to the public. >> congresswoman degette, it's not going to get through the united states senate if the filibuster rules remain in place. >> i think it's becoming more and more clear about many of the issues. and certainly the founders did not intend for 60 to be the new 50. every single bill, the republicans are blocking. so i think it's a growing understanding we're going to have to have some kind of filibuster reform in washington. but even then, the families in colorado and other states have to keep up the wonderful work they have done. the sandy hook families, to let everyone know it's so important. it can't just stop with background checks. we have to reform the system. and even if we banned assault rifles in the state of colorado, someone can just go over the state lines and buy one and bring it here and shoot people in a grocery store in boulder. so that is why you really to have a national law. we had laws like this before and they worked. >> congresswoman diana degette, thank you, and tom sullivan, thank you very much for joining us tonight, and representative sullivan, we are very, very sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. and coming up, it's as if america's mass murderers have the very best lobbyists in government. because the federal government continues to make sure that america's mass murderers get whatever 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joining us now, claire mccaskill from missouri, and eugene washington from the washington post. both msnbc political analysts. senator mccaskill, tell us what it's like in the senate, the day after one of those mass murders, when you have one of the parties in the senate seemingly determined to make sure that american mass murders continue to always be the best equipped mass hurd murderers in the world. >> there is always, after one of the tragedies, a sinking sensation that somehow we are missing the fact we are the only country in the world where this is happening. the idea is, if all have guns, we're going to be safer. no, we're not. especially high capacity magazines and magazines that are designed to kill many, many people in the flash of an eye. so it is -- and by the way, we came very close to meaningful gun safety legislation with a bipat san bill. we came within a few votes after sandy hook and we didn't get there. the nra was at its apex of power, and i think diana's right. the nra is on the ropes right now, and we have the ability to forcing the republicans to vote against bills that 90% of americans want. that is what we should be doing, and to drive the message home, the republicans are carrying water for the gun lobby and not for americans who want to shop in a grocery store without fear. >> gene robinson, this is a country where it is easier to get a gun than it is to register to vote or vote. you have to wait longer in a voting line in georgia than you do to buy a gun in georgia. this is the country where it is easier to get a driver's license than to -- to get a gun. and so, those comparisons seem to mean nothing to republicans. >> they mean absolutely nothing to republicans. it is absurd. so people -- they will divert and distract, and they don't actually want to talk about mental health. but let's talk about other things. this is other than the guns. it does not happen all the time. in germany or italy, or any where in the world. the insane number of guns and kinds of guns that are circulating, and in private hands in the united states. a wash in guns and nobody even tries to keep track of them, and we sell them like candy. it is -- it is obscene, yet, you and i had the conversation before. we had the conversation several times before. and that's what is so frustrating. because, you know, i think in deep in her hearts, we know keep in our hearts, we know how it's going to come out. those who are there now -- it's worse than it was a few years ago when we almost got reasonable legislation. the republican senate is worse now, and more beholden to single issue republican primary voters whom they are afraid of, afraid to rile. and so, i think they will potentially move less now than they would have a few years ago. it's really depressing. >> i want to turn to the big roadblock in the senate. the senate filibuster rules. but let's squeeze in a break right here. we will pick it up with the filibuster rules after this break. 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and was it helpful for people to learn what the new benefits are in the affordable care act? >> well, first of all, lawrence, thank you. it was great to have the president here today. because as you know, we are in the pandemic with covid-19. so to be able to say that shem here, and to say what he is doing not only in the nation, but here in ohio in my district to make sure some 20,000 people understood they can get their insurance for zero cost. and it opened the doors for some, almost 100,000 people, to be able to be insured. it takes us back to the 11 years ago, and the ohio state university, where i was, and where he was today, witnessing 26-year-olds being told they can stay on their parents' insurance and to have health care insurance, and those who have pre-existing conditions. so it was a great thing then, a big deal then, and today it was equally as much a big deal. >> what are the other elements of the american rescue plan that you believe are important to your constituents in ohio? >> i think it's very important when we talk about the vaccine, that it mitigates the coronavirus that we are making sure that people get a shot in their arm to stay healthy. 529,000 people had died. we know that people need dollars in their pockets. to be able to give the $1400 makes a difference to those individuals. dollars for small businesses. 41% of african-american businesses had closed because of the coronavirus. so it was important. when we think about housing, having a roof over your head. we were so pleased we were able to put billions of billions of dollars in there for homeless individuals, rental, to make sure that people are not evicted, and also for mortgages, so people can stay in their homes. and then the child -- tax child credit. the earned income tax credit. it was just so much to make sure we can get to the other side of the pandemic, and still be able to have quality of life. >> there's more than $11 billion in benefits, and the republican party chair says it's about democratic -- it's about saving democratic cities and bailing out blue states. ohio is not yet a blue state for democrats. >> well, i think that's ridiculous. when you look at the dollars that went to state and local government, what happens? it takes care of individuals. when you give individuals money, they put it back in the economy. think about it. 60% of the american people wanted those dollars. and they believed it in, and i am sure when you talk to constituents who are republican representatives, they will say it helped them. it benefited them. we can't deny we're in the middle of a crisis. this pandemic not only affected us from the tk. it aspected us economically, and when we look at the social justices, whether that is environmental or housing. so it was very important for us to do what we did. it was right for all people. >> congresswoman joyce beatty, thank you for joining us. a pleasure to be with you. >> thank you so much. enjoyed being here. >> the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. and good evening once again, day 63 of the biden administration. in less than a week, a mass shooting has left another community in the nation grieving and struggling to confront the reality of a staggering loss. ten people killed in boulder, colorado, and a gunman armed with a handgun, walked in a grocery store. the gunman is charged with ten counts of first degree murder. his profile is familiar by now, a young man with mental illness

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