cherokee county about 30 miles north of atlanta and opened fire, killing four people and injuring another. police say he then drove south to atlanta and shot and killed three people inside the gold spa. he then crossed the street, according to police to the aroma therapy spa and killed another woman there. investigators say surveillance video shows the suspect and his car at all three crime scenes. he was arrested driving south about 150 miles from atlanta. officials say six of the eight victims appear to be asian. this comes amid an increase in attacks on the asian community since the coronavirus pandemic. the new york police department says it will deploy counterterrorism officers to asian communities in the city out of abundance of the caution. a lot going on with this concern about hate crimes, willie. >> yeah. let's go down to atlanta where we find blane alexander. good morning. are the police saying yet what the motive may be here? obviously people drawing a lot of conclusions based on who these victims are. what happened and what do police know about why it happened? >> reporter: good morning to you, willie. police are not quite yet saying what a motive is or releasing a motive. but they're saying they're not ruling anything out. so they are investigating a number of things. among the things they are looking at is the possibility of whether this was a hate crime, whether this was racially motivated. we do know that police are continuing their investigation and actually unfolded, willie, two different counties, two different jurisdictions. you have atlanta police and the cherokee county sheriff's office and all of this unfolded over the span of about an hour or so. so right now i'm standing at the gold spa. this is where one of the two shootings happened. the other of course just right across the street. but it actually all started 45 minutes north of near woodstock where the first shooting took place and then just about an hour later or so police got calls for one incident and then while they were responding to that they got additional calls for shots fired across the street. now, as far as motive, we do know in the initial calls over scanner traffic when we listened to some of the scanner traffic, officers in the area were implored to check on asian spas. that was something they said. hey, it started up in cherokee county. anybody who can check on asian spas in the area implored to do so according to atlanta police scanner traffic. of course we heard from a number of organizations and heard from the korean consulate here who said four of the women -- four women killed here in atlanta are of korean desend and heard from the group stop aapi hate which has come out and said that this is essentially something that only increases the fear, increases the anxiety that so many people in the asian american community are feeling this morning. so, of course, we're going to hear from atlanta police at about 10:30 a.m. we expect them to hold a news conference here. those are a number of questions that we're going to be asking if they're any closer to determining what the motive is here, willie. >> blayne, as you said, the first shooting took place northwest of downtown and allege shooter moved in the city and caught a couple hours south. the georgia state police spun him out on i-75. what more do we know about this shooter? have they talked to him? do we know anything about his background? >> we know he's 21 years old from georgia. 21-year-old actually from cherokee county where the first shooting originated according to officials. yeah, he was apprehended about two and a half hours south of the initial shooting location. think about the plot points, you know, the first shooting happened. officials believe he is connected to all three shootings. they're placing his car in both of the locations. and the same car that he was apprehended in later. so when you kind of think about that, that timeline, goes from cherokee county, down to this area, down to crisp county where he was apprehended about two hours south of here. so, again, not a lot of information known about him right now. he is in custody and has been apprehended. >> we're looking at the surveillance photos of him at his car at all three of the shooting locations. blayne alexander, thanks so much. joe? >> of course, willie, just last week, we talked about the rise in hate crimes, talking about the real concern especially since the start of this pandemic. i know it's early. the police are going to want to investigate the alleged murderer. they're going to want to investigate everything else. but my gosh, obviously asian americans have had a growing concern throughout this year. since the pandemic began, since many believe they were scapegoated by politicians and public figures. this obviously has to make so many americans uneasy this morning because -- >> absolutely. >> it certainly at this point looks very targeted. >> you know, we don't know the connection, obviously, but it is very, very concerning. and we'll be talking to curt next hour about those concerns. now, to the intelligence assessment on foreign interference into the 2020 election that was declassified yesterday. leading up to the election, senior trump administration officials claimed that china was looking to hurt trump's re-election chances but the newly-released assessment said china stayed out of it but russia and iran did not. according to the report, russian president vladimir putin authorized, quote, influence operations, aimed at denigrating president biden's candidacy and the democratic party. supporting former president trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the u.s. china, on the other hand, quote, considered but did not deploy influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the u.s. presidential election. and iran intended to undercut former president trump's re-election prospects, though without directly promoting his rivals. according to the intelligence assessment, a key figure in the russian arm of election interference was andre dercoc with ties to russian intelligence who regularly spoke with president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani. he worked alongside konstantin kilimnik a former associate with 2016 campaign manager paul manafort and made contacts with established u.s. media figures to help produce a documentary that aired in january of 2020 on an american news network which appears to be a reference to the one america news network documentary entitled "the ewe crane hoax." let's bring in nbc news correspondent covering national security and intelligence ken delanian. ken f you can take this conversation a little further in terms of what this assessment, this declassified assessment, tells us about what we've seen happen over the past six months. >> mika, you just did a terrific job of laying out the two biggest take aways from this report. one is, of course, that china did not interfere and that's despite donald trump and many people close to him, many senior officials in the government saying that china was the biggest threat to the election. that was the thing we didn't know. remember, the director of national intelligence john radcliffe, attorney general william barr, national security adviser robert o'brien all told us and so did donald trump last fall that china was the biggest threat to the election. and this report says that china, as you said, took a look at whether they could mount an influence campaign, but decided in the end it wasn't worth it to them. the blow back wasn't worth it and concluded that whoever won the election, there was a bipartisan consensus to get tougher on china, and we're seeing that now. there's legislation pending in congress that would take a number of steps against china. the biden administration has hued a hard line towards china. and so, now, to be clear, china has a massive influence campaign trying to influence u.s. politics in beijing's direction. and that gave those officials a fig leaf, but it's very clear from this report high confidence consensus across the intelligence community with one small dissent that china did not interfere and things the officials were telling us were false, mika. the second biggest take away is that russian interference effort made pawns of people in right wing media, people close to donald trump and trump himself who were repeating russian lies about alleged corruption in ukraine by joe biden. it's very clear. and this was directed by vladimir putin, according to this high confidence intelligence assessment. and the man the parliamentarian that we mentioned we knew was meeting with rudy giuliani, feeding information to republican members of congress, this report says he was op right under the direct purview of putin himself. and so, that documentary you mentioned on one america news network was produced by a guy named michael caputo a spokesman for the department of health and human services for a time before he left amid some inflammatory comments. so people close to trump were coopted by a russian influence campaign. that is one of the two big take aways from this report. mika and joe. >> so, ken, can you give us a comparison looking into this report, any idea yet whether russia's involvement in the 2020 election was more -- a bit more involved than in 2016. what was the level involvement in those two campaigns? was it on the rise or was it less than 2016? >> joe, i think this report suggests that on the influence side it was as great or greater than 2016. but, of course, on the in terms of hacking into election infrastructure, they didn't do that this time. nobody did. that's the good news from this report. no foreign actor got into voting machines or voter registration systems or tried to manipulate the count or mess with results websites. the u.s. government did a good job of thwarting that. and you know, we didn't see a high profile leak and dump campaign by the russians the way we did in 2016. they tried, according to this report. but they didn't necessarily succeed. but their influence operation to propagate this myth about joe biden and corruption and his son in ukraine was very successful, according to this report, because it infected, you know, major media networks in the united states and major politicians and members of congress and people close to trump and the president himself. and it was their version of the big lie that was repeated over and over again. and it came right from vladimir putin. that's what's so striking about this intelligence assessments. >> you know, willie, what's also striking is the fact that senators got an intel briefing and were asked by the intel community not to swallow vladimir putin's propaganda whole, not to swallow the propaganda of an ex-kgb agent whole and yet they did it and one after another senator came out repeating the big lie. >> that's right. you look at the clip or still image of that documentary even you see devin nunes sitting in there. ken you said the right word when you said pawns. they talk about this russia finding people that they could use to, quote, launder influence narratives. so to create a story and find some people who were willing to go along with it and push it inside the united states of america. you mentioned rudy giuliani. who else are we talking about here? what were some of the other narratives? obviously the hunter biden narrative comes to mind first. >> for me, willie? >> yeah. >> absolutely. the whole idea that biden was doing business in ukraine or his son hunter biden was taking corrupt money from ukrainian politicians, that was entirely a concoction, according to this report, of these russian narratives. and a guy named konstantin kilimnik, a starring role in the mueller investigation, and was active in 2016 and is essentially has been deemed by the united states government a russian agent was involved behind the scenes according to this report in propagating these narratives. look, ron johnson and chuck grassley running that investigation in senate homeland security committee, they were -- it was based entirely, it appears on narratives propagated by russian intelligence, led by vladimir putin. sort of spread by these men and some other people unnamed. you know, look, the report doesn't name all these american officials who they say were co-opted but we know who they are. we watch this all unfold during the campaign. and the report makes it clear that it came straight from russian intelligence. >> all right. nbc's ken delanian, thank you very much for that reporting this morning. now to president biden yesterday. for the first time saying he supports reforming the senate filibuster. >> i know you've been reluctant to doing away with the filibuster. aren't you going to have to choose between doing away with the filibuster and advancing your agenda? >> yes. a filibuster you had to stand up and command the floor. and you had to keep talking alone. you couldn't call for -- no one could say quorum call. once you stopped talking you lost that and someone can say i move the question of. so you have to work for the filibuster. >> so you're for that reform? you're for bringing back the talking filibuster? >> i am. that's what it was supposed to be. >> meanwhile, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell issued a stark warning against any changes to the filibuster. >> nobody serving in this chamber can even begin, can even begin, to imagine what a completely scorched earth senate would look like. this is an institution that requires unanimous consent to turn the lights on before noon. everything that democrat senates did, the presidents bush and trump, everything the republican senate did to president obama, would be child's play compared to the disaster that democrats would create for their own priorities if, if they break the senate. >> senator mcconnell is always looking for a diversion. he knows how popular arp is and how he and his whole caucus opposed it. 55% of the republicans are for the arp now that it's passed. he's always looking for a diversion. as for the issue, we democrats, all of us, believe we need big, bold change. as i've said before, we hope our republican colleagues will work with us to produce that change. we will try to get them to work with us. but if not, we will put our heads together and figure out how to go and everything is on the table. >> let's bring in co-founder of punchbowl news, jake sherman. so jake, i'm just wondering, with mitch mcconnell, is he taking a page out of the art of war when you're weak, appear strong? he's talking about burning the entire place down to the ground if democrats do what they have the power to do? or do you really think that this is going to be some sort of legislative armageddon if democrats go ahead and make some exceptions to the filibuster? >> can i say both might be true? i think that mitch mcconnell will make life hell for democrats if they end the filibuster, well within their rights and abilities to do. i think there's no question about that. i do want to say that joe biden is slightly misremembering his history with the filibuster because when he came into the senate, the big reform frankly was that there was the talking filibuster was not in place, it was taken away so the senate could conduct its business at the same time as the filibuster. so with the talking filibuster actually less gets done depending on how it's structured. but mitch mcconnell also said frankly if the filibuster is taken out of place, if the 50 vote threshold is in place for legislation, the republicans would pass all sorts of conservative legislation when they get the majority back. so, listen, i do think these threats are quite real for mcconnell just because, as you know, joe, there's so much that operates in the senate on these consent agreements, and he could force quorum calls for pretty much everything and i have no doubt in my mind, zero doubt, that's exactly what he would do if democrats change the rules. >> so, just explain to our viewers, though, that may not be aware of it how the filibuster has been getting pushed to the side on some of the biggest items over the past decade or two. harry reed and the democrats get rid of the filibuster for federal judges for their nominations and mitch mcconnell and the republicans did away with the filibuster for supreme court judges, something that i never really thought we would see happen, but republicans did it. and so, because they wanted it. they had justices they wanted to put on the supreme court and that was the only way to do it. this does not seem as much of a lurch as mitch mcconnell is making it seem. we've been moving in this direction for over a decade, haven't we? >> we have been. there's two different kinds of filibusters. there's the filibuster on the executive calendar, which you just described, executive appointments, appointments made by the president. and then there's the filibuster on the legislative calendar, which is every bill besides nominations frankly. and right now what happens if you're not for, if you're in the minority and not for a piece of legislation, you inform your leadership and the leadership insists on the 60-vote threshold. that happens basically all the time. you need 60 votes to basically do anything. yes, the senate has been moving in this direction. mitch mcconnell made the argument yesterday at a press conference i was at that it would be a massive change because it would strip away any semblance of bipartisanship. but he does have one point. the covid relief bills that were passed last congress were done on a bipartisan basis frankically because of that 60-vote threshold. but, yes, the senate has been moving in this direction for a long time. i would say, joe, i'm skeptical -- i think chuck schumer does have something right here, which is this is slightly a diversion. we were all in the capitol caught off guard yesterday when mcconnell went to the floor to say this because there was really no impetus for this. i don't really understand why he had to do this now. he told us he just wanted to draw attention to the issue, but joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are not for what mcconnell are is talking about. they don't have votes to do this. >> they have assurances from manchin and sinema they wouldn't vote for this. we gave them a shot with this $1.9 trillion relief package that's 75% of the country liked. couldn't get a single vote out of them. why would we stop and wait for votes from them on things that are even more contentious than that. >> you hit the nail on the head, willie. the democrats only have one more reconciliation package. that is the fast track 51-vote mechanism to pass big legislation that impacts the budget. very strict rules as we have seen the last time around when the $15 minimum wage was stripped out of this legislation. but yes, if they are to proceed to an infrastructure bill, a big public works spending bill, they would have to use the reconciliation process to get it through just because they won't have the support otherwise. but after that good luck. those are the reconciliation bills they have at their disposal right now. we're in march. they have one more for the year. and then they'll have to work with the other side on spending bills, legislation to raise the debt ceiling. so you can't use it all the time, but you can use it here and they plan to use it here if they proceed as we expect they will on a public works package. >> all right, jake sherman, thank you so much. let's bring in adam sirwer. his latest piece is entitled "biden chooses prosperity over vengeance" rewrites about the different goals of the biden and trump's administration. passage of the $1.9 trillion american rescue plan act of 2021, symbolizes more than an ideological divergence on public policy and reflects a radically different theory of governance. the democrats are no saints, but they've come to believe that both the viability of their party and sustainability of american democracy depend on their capacity to broaden their appeal to right-leaning voters. trump wanted to punish his enemies. biden must convince trump supporters that he's not their enemy. defeating trump was but a battle. defeating trumpism is the war. >> adam, brilliant piece. >> yeah. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> so the question is that democrats will ask and former republicans ask of even their friends and family. how do you convince people that have been programmed for over two years on facebook with misinformation that joe biden is not the devil? >> well, i think it's actually quite difficult. america is very polarized in our political identities for people who are politically active, have become a part of very important part of who they are. i think the biden administration has a particular opportunity here because the predictions of what would happen if he won were so apocalyptic and bleak that if the reality die verges from that that there might be people who say that isn't true. biden is not what trump said he was or what the republicans said he was. he's not this dangerous person who is going to destroy everything that i hold dear. but the truth is that there's a small number of people i think that are persuadable in that way precisely because the country is so polarized and people's political identities have taken on such importance. >> it's so interesting, i have had some former trump supporters they're glad they're not talking about him everyday. they're glad they're not talking about politics every second of every day, even some trump supporters seem to be exhaling. we had david shore on last week who said politically that donald trump may have been good for the republican party. in your article you say that donald trump was bad for the republican party. and also that he was focussed almost primarily on punishing his political opponents. and because of that, he got very little done. explain, if you will. >> well, i actually wouldn't necessarily disagree with mr. shore's analysis. his point is that donald trump broadened his coalition in a way that allowed the republican party to hold power as a result of the ideal geographic distribution of their coalition, you know, within our electoral system, with the senate and with the electoral college, the donald trump coalition is ideally positioned to win power without winning a majority of the vote. i think mr. shore is quite right there. the question of whether or not donald trump got anything accomplished as president i think is a separate question. i think he got very little accomplished. his main legislative success was cutting the taxes of people in his high income bracket. he did very little for the people he promised to help, people struggling with the open yoed epidemic, low wage workers, the working class he spoke about so often, he did very little to help them because he was mostly focussing on punishing democrats and people perceived to be associated with democrats. you recall during the coronavirus pandemic when he was president, not that i should speak about it in the past tense, but he discussed people's deaths even as happening in blue states or blue cities as though he is not -- he was not also the president of those blue states and blue cities. i think it's very clear that president biden, whatever you think of him on policy or idealogically does not consider himself the president of blue america at war with red america, which is very much how donald trump saw it. >> adam, you write in the piece that democrats believe that the viability of their own party going forward and the growth of their own party is contingent on expanding their base and reaching out to center right voters. obviously they start with this $1.9 trillion package, poverty, covid, those things don't know a party. that's what they're going for there. what does it look like beyond that? what does joe biden do, democrats do, and looks to a lot of people from the outside they have more progressive inside the congress. >> well, i think it's true that the democratic party has moved left not quite as far as the democratic -- as the republican party has moved right. i think, you know, the question here is there are popular policies on the left and i think the biden administration's approach is to pursue those popular policies and not pursue some of the more unpopular ones except where they see them as necessary. so something like, you know, hr 1 deals with votering rights is very important because republican state legislatures are working very hard to disenfranchise or to attempt to disenfranchise democratic constituencies in a way that's going to make it very hard for democrats to win power. and in my view is just personally morally abhorrent because it interferes with the ability of the public to choose their own leaders. but with things like that, it may seem partisan but it's not -- to some extent it's a question -- it's a basic question of democracy. so, there will be some things i think that they pursue that are unpopular and more partisan, but their general approach is going to try to do things like the minimum wage which are not popular in the senate but are popular in the country at large, including with some republican voters. >> adam, republicans began winning nationally obviously when they not only were able to start getting blue collar voters voting for them regularly. but also when they started dominating the suburbs. they're starting to lose their grip on the suburbs. and i wonder where do those voters go? where do those republicans go? where do those moderates go? when their choice is going to be a democratic party that may not agree with all the time or a republican party that if you just judge the party in 2020 and also 1/6 on the vote and the riot it's turned into an anti-democracy party, ill-liberal party. is there a chance that the democratic party expands and you see more of an fdr coalition, more of a big tent as the republican party retracts? >> well, look, you know, i wouldn't want to make predictions. i think the post trump, post coronavirus pandemic politics in the united states are probably more volatile than people want to acknowledge. but the reality is that typically, you know, there is a backlash, a political backlash against the party that is in the white house. there was a big one against donald trump not just because he was president but also because he was an unpopular leader who never tried to win over people who didn't like him. biden is obviously trying harder to win over people who aren't necessarily in his corner, but typically, you know, there is a backlash against the party in power. the party moves right when the party -- when the president is a democrat and the party moves -- the country moves left when the president is a republican. so i wouldn't want to predict because of the pandemic and donald trump were such -- had such large political effects on the country, what might happen in the future, but typically that's what happens. i wouldn't assume that the democrat's fortunes -- that things are going to get better for them from here on for the next couple years. that's not necessarily true. >> staff writer at the atlantic, adam serwer. thank you so much. his latest piece is now online, so check it out. still ahead on "morning joe," amid a record surge of unaccompanied migrant children at the southern border the biden administration limits what border control agents can share with the media. nbc's julia ansly joins us with her new reporting on that. plus, house speaker nancy pelosi will be our guest this morning. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪♪ how great is it that we get to tell everybody how liberty 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why are they backed up, because health and human services is not able to bring on new beds fast enough to get them out of those conditions. but they're working hard and finding new facilities as we speak. >> yamiche, what we heard from the white house as you know is they inherited a terrible situation from donald trump. that may be true in part, but it doesn't get at the problem today. so what is the white house doing? how much attention are they giving this crisis? >> well, the white house says they're essentially scrambling to get this under control. they're trying to look for new facilities, looking for new places to house these children. but as you just noted, while this is a problem that the trump administration they would say really gave them and handed to them, this is also an issue that is now happening on their watch. these children and according to reports and lawyers i talked to and others have talked to, these children are crying, they're terrified, they're saying they're not let out for sunlight for days at a time. so what you have here is a very, very tough situation. the biden administration now needs to contend with and we have not still been allowed in a lot of these facilities, a lot of the media requests to do ride along, to be inside these facilities to try to interact with these children to really get a first-hand account from the media's perspective, to really report on this have been denied. i think that situation is in some ways really untenable. so i think what we see here is a white house saying give us a little time. let us wrap our arms around the problem, but this is an urgent problem with young children at the center. so this is something that i think the white house is just really scrambling to understand and to do something about. >> and julia, your reporting on that access to the media to what exactly is going on there. what is the biden administration doing and how are they gag according to some sources border patrol? >> that's right. i mean, yamiche lays it out. there's a lot of frustration about access during this critical time. i started digging around and talking to border patrol officials who say they now have to run everything, even local requests, through washington. it's part of a more centralized media strategy similar to what we would have seen under the obama administration, but they're frustrated with it now especially coming from a previous administration where they were emboldened to talk about the really tough law enforcement stance all the time. that has changed. but just a couple things that we're not getting now that we used to, willie. we understand that all ride alongs along the border have now come to a halt as of january 20th. while there was some decrease because of covid, the trump administration at least did allow some of that. there's been no access inside these facilities where the children are being held. we also understand that people who crunch those numbers that i just gave you, they have been given recent orders not to leak because they don't want more of this information out there before they can control it and control the message on it. and we also understand that when it comes to getting local interviews, that would be with border sector chiefs, that oftentimes those are denied. and these are stories that a lot of these border officials want to get out there. >> and julia, how unusual is that? i mean, if it had been the trump administration, we would be rightly outraged that they were blacking out information on a very important story. so does this suggest that they have something to hide at the border? >> well, you know, i spoke to someone who has worked through the past three administrations, who said really they're going back to more of an obama-era approach where everything is run through washington. but really what we're watching play out here is more of a culture war where you have a lot of border agents, the union was very pro-trump, who are now starting to leak out videos, anonymously, which can be dangerous we don't know where things are coming from. right now it's very frustrating from a journalist perspective we want access. we need to know this vulnerable population of children. i have toured facilities in the past where children are being held and now we aren't able to get any of that access. >> julia ainsley, we'll read your full reporting on nbc news.com. thank you so much. yamiche stay with us if you can. coming up, next, president biden will have a meeting with ireland's prime minister. before the meeting, the prime minister is our guest next on "morning joe" ♪♪ "morning j" oe♪ & doug ♪ . your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. thank you! hey, hey, no, no limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it all starts with an invitation... ...to experience lexus. the invitation to lexus sales event. lease the 2021 is 300 for $359 a month for 36 month's, and we'll make you're first month's payment. experience amazing. age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. 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for the general good and for the global good. i know that's something that the president is committed to and that's something we'll obviously discuss and share our respective experiences. finally, obviously the undocumented and the irish been in america for quite a long time and the aspects of that we would clearly discuss because i will be meeting with the irish friends who have been so helpful to us with the president and the vice president and speaker pelosi. >> mike barnicle has the next question. mike? >> mr. prime minister, happy st. patrick's day first of all. and as you know, and as you live each and everyday, the united kingdom has left the european union due to brexit, which means that northern ireland has also left the european union. could you give us a status report on any difficulties, commercial difficulties at the border with the south and the north in ireland and in a perverse way, perhaps a good way, does this brexit break northern ireland and the -- leaving the european union, would this provide any more hope for united ireland becoming more easily attainable? >> well, first of all, mike, many happy returns in terms of st. patrick's day and have a good one. first of all, there's no hard border around the island of ireland. the unique circumstances of the island of ireland have been reflected in the nature of the agreement arrived at between the european union and the united kingdom in terms of a withdrawal agreement which includes a protocol. and the protocol facilitates access for northern ireland to the european union and also of course to the united kingdom market. there have been some teething problems in respect of that but there are mechanisms within the agreement that facilitate the ironing out or the resolution of those issues over time. in terms of brexit more generally, it has created some issues exports and imports the united kingdom bureaucracy. the key part of the agreement it is a good trade and cooperation agreement wean the european union and united kingdom something we sought and something we secured. and in the context of northern island the good friday agreement, the support of president biden, the friends on the hill, speaker pelosi, has been very influential in securing our key objectives and preserving that piece. and in terms of the broader evolution of the good friday agreement, i have developed an initiative called the shared island initiative, which is really about working all traditions ireland working out how we share the island of ireland into the future irrespective of constitutional agreements and we have those, trying to build true reconciliation between traditions and people, to work on that, to develop on significant number of north/south conscience and to build that understanding, build on the genius of the good friday agreement. the good friday agreement would not have happened without the interest and support of successive american administrations. and in many ways president biden personifies that american commitment to and interest in ireland and above all interest in peace in ireland. and that's the approach that we are taking. and brexit has changed the dynamics somewhat, but it's incumbent on all of us to work to ensure that we can develop that reconciliation and understanding i spoke about earlier and also making sure that there's a constructive relationship between the united kingdom and the european union going into the future. >> mr. prime minister, it's willie geist. welcome to the show. great to have you with us. let me ask you specifically about what some of the threats are to the good friday agreement. it's been in place for 23 years since it brought an end to the troubles in 1998. why do you need president biden's re-enforcement of that agreement right now? what threat do you see? >> well, i think fundamentally the great news is since the good friday agreement an entire generation of young people have grown up in ireland, particularly in northern ireland without any violence, any man fescation of that. that's a very good win and good dividend. we need to move beyond that in terms of, as i said, developing stronger reconciliation and mutual rale understanding but brexit created some tensions in terms of the movement of goods and services and sometimes particularly goods. and sometimes that can be manifest itself in ratcheting up political tensions. i think to be fair to all of politicians from -- with different perspectives on brexit, we have all worked hard to make sure that doesn't ratchet up too much. so the american commitment and involvement in terms of ensuring that the essentials of the good friday agreement are maintained and that we don't have a hard border around the island of ireland that is important and influence and constructive engagement. has been important in that respect in terms of its engagement with the united kingdom, ireland and indeed with the european union. and that interest has been well received in 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same car. the suspect, 21-year-old robert aaron long of cherokee county north of atlanta. arrested in south georgia last night in crisp county, spotted driving on i-75. investigators say late yesterday afternoon long walked into young's asian massage in cherokee county and opened fire, killing three women and one man. two people witnessed it, according to captain jay baker. and baker says again there is video surveillance here and also with the crime scenes in atlanta. >> well, we had really good information about his vehicle and of course cameras are everywhere now, so from what i understand they were comparing the images of the suspect and his vehicle and tag information and all that with what they have down there and that's how we came to the conclusion that he was also a suspect in atlanta. >> reporter: it's a drive of about 30 miles south to atlanta and detectives believe robert aaron long then drove to about the and went into two massage spas across the street from each other. the gold spa and aroma therapy spa. they say long shot and killed three women at gold spa and one woman at aroma therapy. interim atlanta police chief rodney bryant was at the scene monitoring the investigation. >> since 12, a few hours ago, we just heard numerous gunshots coming from across the street. they wouldn't let us out. of course i want to know what's going on. my car is out here. i want to make sure everyone is safe. they weren't letting us out. >> since we have do confirmed three people shot and killed at one location, one person shot across the street and killed at that location. right now it appears that all the female -- it appears that all victims are female. >> reporter: detectives are not discussing any possible motive. they say nothing appears to have been stolen but say two of the four people killed here in their key county were asian women and atlanta police say all four of the women killed in atlanta were asian. so investigators confirm they are investigating the possibility that these crimes might have been racially motivated. but that's just one aspect of an investigation that is just getting under way. >> our thanks to john shirek for that report. again, we don't know the motive of these attacks yet, but they do come amid an increase in attacks on the asian community since the coronavirus pandemic began. the new york police department says it will deploy counterterrorism officers out of an abundance of the caution. >> let's bring in columnist for "usa today" and l.a. times curt bar dell la. last week we had you on talking about an increase of crime and violence against asian americans. i must say that it was one of the more remarked upon segments that we've had in quite some time on social media and also with emails that i got. this was a widespread problem last week and while we can't jump -- police officers won't want us jumping to any quick conclusions now, it certainly looks like some of your greatest fears in that column last week were recognized in atlanta last night. >> yeah, joe. even setting aside the tragedy in atlanta, we know that this week there was someone walking the streets of new york city who was verbally assaulted by a white woman getting in a cab yelling go back to china at them. we know that there is in california someone being prosecuted as a hate crime for spitting on asian americans who were just dining at a restaurant. i mean, this is a systemic problem right now that's reached crisis point. and it really is a sickening feeling to start your day and go through the motions of your day knowing that going through everyday activities could result in violence being portrayed on me because of the way i look. and i go back to why is this happening? why have we seen, according to new data, this huge uptick in violence against asian americans? why are we seeing 150% hate crimes against the aaip community all coincides of the rhetoric of the republican party using terms like china virus and kung-flu. i think about last fall when 164 republicans voted against a resolution put forward by congresswoman grace ming to condemn violence against asian americans. like how do you vote against something like that how do you tell people who look like me with a recorded vote that our lives mean less than other people's? how do you condone rhetoric that has been proven to show in sites of violence and hate and makes the world more dangerous for people like me, how do you condone that behavior? how do you clap when someone says china virus and look the other way time and again when the leader of your party continues to use this type of inflammatory rhetoric? we know just after watching the events of january 6th that the supporters of trump movement will take their words literally and perpetrate violence against the targets of them. and i'm so tired of going through life with this bullseye put on my back by one of the two major political parties in america. it makes me sick. >> kurt, i hear you. it's powerful. you know, it's another case where president trump, former president trump, never understood the power of his words. it was a throw away line. he thought maybe it was funny or stirred up hi his base, but a lot of people who tune into everything he says take it more literally. the case in atlanta, authorities have not drawn a link to the hate crime and you can look at the pattern of the three shootings. kurt, what do we do to get at the root of this? we're talking about it after the fact and responding to attacks on the street we're seeing in new york city of people walking down the street getting sucker punched, stuff like that, how do we get at the root of this problem? >> well, i think it starts with leadership at the top. you know, we went the better part of a year with the most powerful person, with the biggest microphone in the land enflaming racial tensions in this country and now we finally have a president who is willing to give a voice to these type of situations, president biden talked about this the other night in the statement he delivered to the country abhorring the violence against asian americans. i think we need to look at the type of tools that law enforcement public safety have to actually investigate and prosecute these type of incidents as hate crimes. oftentimes hate crimes go underreported and aren't investigated as hate crimes and that's a real problem in this country. you know, again, i think that ultimately, though, one of the most important things and i can't stress this enough is having just representation and visibility for our community. for too long the plight against asian americans has gone not talked about, unrecognized, given kind of backseat status. and it's so important to have shows and platforms like "morning joe" that reaches such an influential and impactful audience to deliver the message that this is a crisis. and this is something that we need everybody to come together and to lend a voice to. when there's a hate crime against one of us, it really affects all of us. and i think that the beginning of the solution to this starts with representation and visibility for the asian american community. >> kurt bardella, thank you so much. we appreciate your thoughts this morning. again, we still don't know the motive in yesterday's attacks in the atlanta area, but we certainly will continue to follow this story and the investigation. now to the fight against the pandemic. the white house is aiming to distribute more than 22 million doses of covid-19 vaccines in the next week. a new record in the u.s. fight to contain the coronavirus. states are expected to receive more than 16 million doses of the three approved vaccines, slightly higher than last week. federally administered programs, such as mass vaccination sites and community health centers will receive most of the dose. the increase in supply more states lift their eligibility criteria to receive the vaccines. meanwhile n an interview with fox news last night, former president trump encouraged his supporters to get a coronavirus vaccine. but added a caveat. >> i would recommend it and i would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me frankly. but you know, again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that. and i agree with that also. but it's a great vaccine. it's a safe vaccine. and it's something that works. >> there you go. let's bring in chief white house correspondent for the new york times peter baker editor at large for the 19th and msnbc contributor, erin haines and abc news chief washington correspondent jonathan carl joins us, his book front row at the trump show is out this week in paperback. mike barnicle and yamiche alcindor are with us as well. >> jonathan karl, he -- the president, former president, almost went all the way there, telling his supporters to get out and get a shot and he stated the obvious. we have -- we're a free country. you can do what you want, but he did actually do what a lot of people were asking him to do, that is tell his supporters to get out and get the vaccine. >> look, that's important because what he said is correct. a lot of people who voted for him, who support him, do believe that -- are part of this anti-vaxxer movement and don't want to take the vaccine. but trump has been conflicted on this from the start. you know, on one hand he's wanted to take credit for the vaccine, this incredible scientific achievement of developing this vaccine on such a short time frame, which did happen while he was president. there was a time, joe, you probably remember, kayleigh mcenany calling it the trump vaccine. on one hand he wanted to take credit for it, on the other hand, he's known many of the people that are vaccine skeptics, afraid of the vaccine are his supporters. that's why he himself got the vaccine, he didn't tell anybody about it. what a great opportunity to go out and show people you believe in this thing and you believe it's important to take then doing it in front of the cameras, getting the shot, you know, letting the whole world see and donald trump who is not afraid of cameras did it behind the scenes, behind closed doors. >> i think it was surprising to a lot of people perhaps even the former president how many of his supporters were refusing to even consider to get the vaccine. peter baker, mike barnicle is with us and has a question for you. mike? >> yeah. peter, you know, hearing the voice of the former president reminded me personally, just me, of the damage that he did to this country during the course of his four years in office. and i'm wondering now with joe biden sitting in the oval office, do you think there's a conscious decision to approach each day with the restoration of normalcy, calmness, to bring that to the country, even in the wake of the crises at the border and the distribution of the vaccine, which has been enormously enhanced already in the biden administration, but do you think there's a conscious decision to show the country government works and it can work with this person, this president, because large part because of his calmness and his normalcy in approaching the job? >> yeah. i think no question that president biden came in with not only a promise to restore -- to lower the temperature. he's still going to go have fights obviously with republicans over important legislation that's part of the system. he's not saying that there's going to be kumbaya all the time, but he wanted to sort of restore kind of more of a civil and respectful conversation to sort of avoid the daily dramas that we saw over the last four years. he wasn't going to be attacking people left and right on twitter. i think he did want to restore certain degree of normalcy. i think they understood that the public was exhausted to some extent by the last four years including republicans who support president trump's goals. so, no question about that. and he's been baited by reporters and others to lash out at people who stood in his way, republicans in particular who voted against his legislative priorities and basically resisted the urge to do so for the most part. one of the interesting things was last night to weigh in on the governor cuomo situation, which is the kind of thing that president trump wouldn't avoided on weighing in earlier had he been in office. he was asked about an interview with george stephanopoulos and said things that made news about how governor cuomo could face prosecution and would have to resign presumably if the investigation that's under way right now verified the claims. but again, i think general president biden is, in fact, trying to restore a sense of calm in a country that had been anything but in the last four years. >> let's listen to that clip since you brought it up, peter. this is president biden speaking last night to george stephanopoulos about the sexual harassment allegation into governor cuomo. >> let me ask you about governor cuomo of new york. i know you said you want the investigation to continue. if the investigation confirms the claims of the women, should reresign? >> yes. a woman should be presumed to telling the truth and should not be scapegoated and become victimized by her coming forward. number one. but there should be an investigation to determine whether what she says is true. that's what's going on now. >> and you've been very clear if the investigation confirms the claims, he's gone. >> that's what i think happens. by the way, it may very well be there could be a criminal prosecution that's attached to it. >> yamiche, the president not going as far as the new york congressional delegation including both senators from the state of new york suggesting that governor cuomo needs to resign, saying if the investigation finds that these allegations are true, he should not only go but should be prosecuted. a step much further for the president than we have seen out of the white house so far. >> that's right. and these comments coming from president biden really underscore what his message is and what his message has been at this white house which is that he really wants to signal that he has no tolerance for people who victimize others, who take advantage of other people, whether you're the governor of new york or someone who is working in his administration. so i think it was in some ways a surprising but also possibly not really out of the box to hear him talk about prosecution against andrew cuomo. let's remember that he's taking over from his predecessor who had all sorts of sexual assault allegations against him and he was very forceful when it was former president trump and others who are being accused. i think it makes sense that you see a consistent message saying that he is not going to back andrew cuomo if an investigation finds that he abused women and abused his office. i also think that it ups the pressure on the governor of new york here because andrew cuomo is saying he's not going to resign. he's dug in. you have the president of the united states saying if an investigation finds that these women are accurate that they should be believed, then you have to go. so i think in some ways what this does is just really add pressure to already really, really tense situation. >> so, erin haines, i'm just curious what your thoughts are. >> yeah, mika. what's really interesting here, president biden the consistent message he had since taking office and really for a lot of his career focussing on gender-based violence, something that's coming into focus this week, is the reauthorization of the violence against women act, something we have been watching and covering here at the 19th, that's set for a vote today in the house. and that was legislation that president biden championed. as a senator, you know, and so him saying in this interview with george stephanopoulos that women's stories need to be heard i think goes to a larger theme that he's been saying since he took office. executive orders around gender-based violence, other areas of his administration saying that they're going to be focussed on gender-based violence. and so to really have a president re-enforcing this message and being consistent in his response to that message, i think that was last night was kind of the latest version of that. >> jonathan karl, it's been a while since you first released front row at the trump show, and you say you keep going back to conversation you had with president trump in 2019 where you were saying that people take your words to heart. and that could have dangerous ramifications. since january 6th, you say you keep going back, your thoughts keep going back to that conversation you had with donald trump. >> i was haunted by those remarks as i watched what was taking place on january 6th at the capitol. this was a conversation i had in the oval office with the president. it was right after the shootings in 2019 in el paso and in dayton, the mass shootings. and i talked to him about the rhetoric he was using, particularly about journalists talking about journalists as the enemies of the people, as disgusting horrible people who make things up. and i said, aren't you worried, you should be worried, that some sick person could take your words to heart. and his response, just as you said, he said i hope people take my words to heart. it was as if he didn't compute the notion. i don't think he literally wanted people to act on that. i mean, if you were talking about a class of people as enemies of the people, you know, you take those words to heart, you're going to do horrible things, just as when you say the election is being stolen. if people really take those words to heart, our country is going to end if this happens, if joe biden is certified. those were the things he was saying. and people very much did take his words to heart. and i thought those words he told me, i hope they do. >> of course the proud boys heard the president the final debate telling them to stand back and stand by. i'm curious whether you could have ever fathomed when you were writing that book when you were offering that warning what ultimately happened on january 6th, that you would have a group of rioters go into the united states capitol, try to stop the counting of electoral votes that would end up being against joe biden, vote to throw out tens of millions of votes of primarily black voters and then of course have donald trump gleefully looking at the television wondering why others inside his office weren't excited by the riots that were going on at the capitol. could you have ever imagined that moment would actually come to pass? >> i thought a lot, joe. i know you have over time of what donald trump would do if he lost that election and if he would really concede and essentially hand over the keys to the white house to whoever beat him. in fact, i had a conversation with his former chief of staff, john kelly, as i was finishing up the book. and i asked him, what will happen if donald trump refuses to concede, refuses to acknowledge the results of this election? this is far in advance of the election. and he said to me, look, don't worry. we have people who will escort him out of the building and the transition will go forward at noon on january 20th. and then he added this he said, he could change himself to the resolute, chain himself to the resolute desk and people will calmly go over and clip the chains and walk him out. but what that conversation didn't anticipate is that he would have inspire an entire movement to literally try to stop the certification of the election results by storming the capitol. and ultimately there were a lot of good people that failed to go along with it. you know, a lot of people that supported him who wouldn't let it happen. i mean, at the top of the list, on that day, on january 6th any way, of course mike pence going through and doing basically what he had to do. what he had to do. this is his constitutional duty. he had no other option. but he could have provoked a crisis if he had done what the president was demanding of him and urging his supporters to demand of him. >> and diedra baker, as we look back on that time, talking about jonathan's book, i can't help but think back to the moment when dick cheney found it necessary to get other secretary of defenses together and send a warning to the pentagon leadership that they were to stay out of politics. i think at that moment that's when it became very clear that people like dick cheney and other secretaries of defense in both the republican and the democratic party knew that something significant was going on. >> well, i think that's exactly right. to jonathan's point, i talked to republican senators yesterday whose remembering just how frightening the situation was after january 6th, the fear that in fact, even then he might not physically leave office. there might even at that late day-to-day be an effort on his part to refuse to give up power, whether that was justified or not, that was the atmosphere. i think it's amazing how quickly we have forgotten that how quickly the tumult of that time has faded with our memories and gotten back to normalcy as mike barnicle talked about without remembering how extraordinary these events really were. to hear the former president say on television that the supreme court didn't have the courage to overturn a democratic election is remarkable. right? to overturn an election, that's somehow an ordinary thing we talk about. the idea that a judge would reverse free and fair election of a presidency and that somehow they should be blamed for not doing it still is a mind blowing scenario and here we are less than two months later and we moved into a different era. but we're not that far removed from it. >> mika, that a president would be so either ignorant of the constitution or so corrupt that he actually believed that if he appointed somebody, nominated somebody of the united states supreme court and they got on that court, they were his property. that they had to vote to support him above the constitution of the united states of america. that was never going to happen. that was never going to happen. >> but it's how he thinks. >> and he never got it. >> jonathan karl, thank you so much. jonathan's book "front row at the trump show" is now out in paperback. peter baker, yamiche alcindor, thank you for your reporting this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," house speaker nancy pelosi will be our guest just a few moments from now. but first, congresswoman and foreign affairs committee member abigail spamburger joins the conversation on the heels of a new intel report that details exactly how russia tried to interfere in the 2020 election. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪♪ the john deere z365r ztrak mower, cuts the hassle out of 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>> he will pay a price. we had a long talk, he and i. i know him relatively well. and the conversation started off i said, i know you and you know me. if i establish this occurred, then be prepared. >> you said you know he doesn't have a soul. >> i did say that to him, yes. and his response with us we understand one another. i wasn't being a wise guy. i was alone with him in his office when president bush looked into his eyes and saw a soul. i said i looked into your eyes and i don't think you have a soul. he looked back at me and said we understand each other. most important thing dealing with foreign leaders in my experience and i dealt with an awful lot over my career is know the other guy. >> so you know vladimir putin. you think he's a killer? >> uh-huh. i do. >> president biden in a new abc interview talking about the intelligence assessment on foreign interference into the 2020 election that was declassified yesterday. leading up to the election, senior trump administration officials claimed china was looking to hurt president trump's re-election chances, but the newly-released assessment says china stayed out of the election but russia and iran did. vladimir putin authorized, quote, influence operations aimed at denigrating president biden's candidacy and the democratic party. supporting former president trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the united states. meanwhile, china, quote, considered but did not deploy influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the u.s. presidential election. iran intended to undercut former president trump's re-election prospects, according to the report, though, without directly promoting joe biden. according to the intelligence assessment, a key figure in the russian arm of election interference was andre derkoc, ties to russian intelligence who regularly spoke with president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani he worked alongside konstantin kilimnik, a former associate of paul manafort and made contact with established u.s. media figures to help produce a documentary that aired in january, 2020, on an american news network which appears to be a reference to the one america news network documentary titled "ukraine hoax." the assessment found no foreign actor tried to hack voting software or machines. joining us now, abigail spanberger of virginia. she served as a case officer with the cia before running for office. congress woman, good to see this morning. a lot in this comprehensive report. what jumps out to you? >> a couple things jump out me as i read this as a former intelligence officer now as a member of congress in reading this report i think every american and certainly every elected official should be angered and horrified at the clear attempt by the russians at the direction of vladimir putin to influence our elections, to influence the american people and to sew division in our society and in our country and to create distrust in the very foundation of our democracy, which is our electoral system. >> are you surprised, congresswoman, how easy it was again for the russian government to find stooges, forgive the term. i'm sure you have a more artful or specific term to work with the russian government to undermine people like rudy giuliani and members of the united states senate. >> i'm not surprised at all. and what we see in this unclassified report is that a key finding, i believe it's key judgment number 2, is that the russians endeavored to find individuals who would carry this message, who would give it validity and give it purpose, who would give it strength. and those individuals are members of the united states government, members of the united states media, people with a voice and position of power when they convey these russian propaganda ideas, people listen. and this is dangerous. and i think that we are all now clearly on notice that this is happening. it has happened for years. right? we knew it after the 2016 election. and arguably people kept carrying the water for russian propaganda, but this report makes plain that anyone who is continuing to push these russian-backed information is doing the bidding of vladimir putin. and my hope and expectation is that everyone will be very, very careful to not do that into the future. it's un-american and frankly dangerous. >> congresswoman, as you point out after 2016, the country was up in arms about what russia was able to do in terms of influencing the election. we had hearings about it. congress took up this effort to make our elections safer. they were from a technical standpoint. but how does russia get its nose back into our election despite all the alarm we had after 2016? >> talking about hacking of elections, in talking about attacking our voting systems, that's a pretty straight forward element for people to understand. and so i think that we did take significant measures or at least people understood that threat. but the idea that there would be messages ceded into society, divisions preyed upon, that there would be this effort to just bit by bit degrade the trust that people have in our electoral system, which we saw the result of what happens. on january 6th, people believe that something is wrong in the electoral system, we see something as outrageous and horrifying as a violent insurrection at the united states capitol. so now moving forward, i hope that this report gives people a better understanding of what influence operations are and we should find them just as angering as attempts to actually hack the basic infrastructure of our elections because it is an attempt to change our efforts, our engagement as americans and we need to be on guard against it. >> congress woman, i have two questions then what do we do about it, let alone guard against it? and also, curious what your thoughts are about president biden's language towards vladimir putin. you know, such a departure from president trump who seemed to be afraid of him. biden saying that he tells him straight to his face i don't think you have a soul and answering point blank, yes, i think he's a killer. what do you think the impact of that is? >> i think he's calling a spade a spade. we're dealing with vladimir putin, former kgb officer. we, the united states government, certainly anyone who spent time in the intelligence field, has a pretty strong understanding of who vladimir putin is, what motivates him and it's i think heartening to see a president who will stand up to an authoritarian dictator, or authoritarian government leader who is attempting to undermine the faith that the american people have in our system of governance who is utilizing influence campaigns to undermine a political party, our political process. and so i'm heartened to see that we have a president who will stand up to the likes of vladimir putin, who will assert the strength of the united states and stand up for the very sanktty of our elections and the right to make decisions based on facts and true information. >> mike barnicle? >> so, congresswoman, following up on mika's line of questioning, we have known or been told for several years now that vladimir putin seethes with resentment over the collapse of soviet union and the perceived lack of respect that he and his country and the people around him have received from the global countries in the world. but now we have a man, maybe the wealthiest man in the world, putin, running a country that is skilled at cyber warfare, what do we do to cope with this, to combat this? i mean, we don't want to go back and forth with shutting off people's water supplies and shutting down electricity grids, do we? what do we do to cope with this huge menace on the world stage? >> i think the first step is recognizing the scope of what the menace actually is. i think this report is valuable in outlining russian intentions, russian efforts, and clearly stating that the russian government utiliing foreign actors has brought ideas and division and preyed on sociopolitical challenges that we as a nation face and should endeavor to address, that they have preyed on those divisions in an effort to divide. the report clearly lays out that russia sees a weakened united states of america as a benefit to russia, right? they're seeking to weaken us by sewing this division, by creating this lack of belief in our system of government. and the first thing we need to do to counter it is to have every elected official from the local level on up recognizing the threat of these propaganda efforts and ensuring that we are doing everything we can to speak clearly and truthfully about this incoming threat of disinformation and propaganda. and that we are taking real steps to ensure that the american people know that our system of government is good, that our elections are free and fair and safe and we need to make clear that we understand the threat that comes from russia. and follow the president's lead frankly in being strong in denouncing it. >> all right, democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. and coming up, new polling on women in the workplace, particularly when it comes to healthcare and the pandemic. erin haines breaks down those new numbers when "morning joe" comes right back. not everybody wants the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 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u.s. healthcare and workplaces must change post pandemic. what do they mean? what do they want? tell us about it. >> well, thank you so much for highlighting this story, mika, and highlighting this poll because you know what i wrote on election day of 2020 was that women were really going to be the deciders of this election. and what i learned last year in talking to women voters was that the pandemic was absolutely political for them. and so, to have this poll really kind of quantifying the ways in which that played out and continues to play out as women are looking at how policy might shape their lives post pandemic has been really interesting to kind of unpack and just to give you a little bit of the highlights of this amazing polling, which, you know, it's clear that the pandemic has brought the role of government to the front doorstep of many women. and you know, nearly 8 and 10 women agreed that the pandemic has exposed flaws in the american healthcare system in terms of the 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area last night. errin haines, you and i have bonded over our affection for atlanta. i lived in this neighborhood right around the corner from two of the establishments we're talking about here what are your thoughts this morning and what do you believe we'll hear from president biden and vice president harris as they travel to atlanta on friday. they're push to push the covid relief package, but now have this to address as well. >> reporter: listen, you and i both know how much of the -- how much the asian-american community in atlanta -- metro atlanta specifically, has been part of the business fabric of that area for years. but they only recently have started to become a major player politically. they were a factor in the coalition that elected president biden and vice president harris, both of whom have condemned violence against asian-americans. obviously, much like you, i'm refreshing my hometown newspaper's home page to try to find out more information about this. we don't know necessarily the motivations of this. but what we do know is this has been a very rough year in terms of violence against this community. i've talked to so many sources who have been, in addition to trying to keep themselves safe from a public health standpoint in this pandemic, just terrified about letting their parents, their loved ones out into the world because of the violence that has been directed at this community. so even as we don't know what is happening yet, this is surely having a chilling effect on them with president biden and vice president harris traveling to atlanta on friday. i don't see how they don't address this on the ground. you had press secretary jen psaki saying this morning that the president has been briefed on these shootings which she said were horrific overnight and is already in touch with local law enforcement and the atlanta mayor on this. so this is something that he certainly has been paying attention to and that i wouldn't be surprised if he spoke to because both he and the vice president have continued to condemn any violence against the asian-american community, particularly in this climate. >> police in atlanta have not given a motive yet for the shooter. the man is in custody. they have not established the motive yet. you can bet they'll have one here, if they don't already, to make public. i'm thinking back to last thursday night, six nights ago, when president biden took a moment in his speech to lean forward and look into the camera and said this violence against asian-americans must stop in this country. >> willie, obviously the biggest issue in this country and globally, obviously, is the pandemic. it's the virus. hopefully with the vaccines available, more people will get vaccinated and it will curtail as a threat to us, an everyday threat. but the virus of hate, the virus of violence combined with hate is so combustible in this country of ours, and has been as long as i've been alive. hopefully it will begin to curtail 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covid relief bill. first, i want to ask you about the investigation and security surrounding the january 6th attack on the capitol. where do we stand with a 9/11 commission to look into a tick tock of what went wrong that day? >> first, let me say happy st. patrick's day to you. i was excited to see the tea shot on earlier. later today we'll have our annual lunch virtually, started by tip o'neill and president ronald reagan, i believe it was. the following year the two of them invited the t shock. we're very excited to see the tea shock and the brexit talks complicated the good friday -- the assurances that we needed to have. i had the privilege of speaking to the dial -- that's not how they pronounce it, the parliament of ireland joining president reagan andment clinton. today is an exciting day. we're welcoming the tea shock and the irish american president of the united states to celebrate that in the capital virtually. as the t shock said this morning, he'll be here and have it in the capitol. in the capitol is where that horrible thing happened on january 6th. the disagreements we're having about having a bipartisan commission and it must be bipartisan is on the scope. on the other side, they don't want any findings included in how we go. they don't want -- they want to treat something like black lives matter peaceful demonstrations in a similar matt manner as they would do january 6th. the main problem is the scope of the investigation. we can pass a bill. but that's not the point. you want it to be bipartisan. it cannot be bipartisan if the scope of it is to not draw any conclusion about what happened that day as the premise for how we would go forward and investigate it. we must investigate it and we must get the truth for the american people. >> are you concerned that -- were you at all asked whether or not the national guard should be deployed previous to that day? >> no. >> were you involved in any planning with the security prep? >> no. >> who was? >> there are two different questions. we were assured by the security for the capitol that they were prepared. i was not asked anything about the national guard until after 1:00, some time after 1:00 when the president's incitement of an insurrection had already taken place, and i was pulled from the podium, and at that point i said yes and they asked senator mcconnell and he said yes for that request. there was a delay in terms of responding to that. we have later learned that the district of columbia asked for the deployment of its own national guard, and you probably have seen the response from the secretary of defense which is just devastating in terms of how it was suppressing any real deterrence on the part of the national guard. that's all part of what an investigation will be. what we have been proposing, some of the proposals that general honore, and he assembled a group of experts who are national security and law enforcement experts and civil liberties experts to make recommendations to them. one is we would have a permanent, designated national guard unit always at the ready in case there is a threat of something happening. it would be much smaller but ready, but without having to have any question as to what we went through that day. all of us on the phone, mr. hoyer, mr. clyburn, mr. mcconnell, even at some point the vice president, trying to see why the national guard was not being released to weigh in. when they were, it made a big difference. >> madam speaker, it's willie geist. good to see you. >> hi, willie. happy saint bat trick's day. >> down at the border right now there's a surge of migrants including huge numbers of unaccompanied minors being held at detention facilities until their cases can be sussed out. if you listen to the people coming into the country and they say quite plainly, we think it's going to be easier to come to america and to stay in america than it was under president trump because of moratoriums on deportations, a potential pathway to sit senator hillary clinton for people who have come here illegally. what should the biden administration do, i understand they're pointing the finger back at president trump, but what they should be doing to ease this crisis. >> thank you, willie, for that question. many of us have spent a good deal of time on the border or in the country of origin. the president, i understand, is reported to have spoken out and said stay home, don't come now, a. b, he sent fema to help facilitate meeting the needs of these people. this is complicated by covid. there are 13,000 beds that could receive many of these incoming immigrants. however, because of covid, you can't use 13,000 beds because you have to space them. they are again preparing for what they do next. one of the things that it's important to watch is some of these people, when they say it's easier, if they have a real founded fear of persecution, which is to seek asylum here, that hopefully will be easier because the trump administration had no respect for the responsibility we have as a country and other countries have as well to give shelter to those with a well-founded fear of persecution in their country. many of these people are in grave, grave danger at home, and that's why they risk coming here. now, i always take pride in quoting our evangelical friends, the representative from the evangelicals said in a mock hearing, he said this, the united states refugee resettlement program is the crown jewel of american humanitarianism, crown jewel of american humanitarianism. we have to make some distinctions about those who have a well-founded fear, and we have to have the capacity at the border to do that or to have that adjudicated in the country of origin but recognize that we have that responsibility as we pass judgment on other countries for not receiving refugees into their country. so that's one piece of it. as far as the children are concerned, we can just imagine, me as a mother of five, grandmother of nine, every minute a child is separated from a parent to me is a crisis. so we want this to move along expeditiously. but we have to have a real plan, and what they inherited was terrible. now, the president has been in off first not quite two months and they are addressing it and it will improve. again, we're all impatient for any time a child is separate friday arnt pa. let's get on with it. however, i do take issue with some of what our friends on the other side of the aisle are saying, that they're terrorists coming into the country, terrorists coming into the country. what we want to do is honor our responsibilities as a nation in terms of the crown jewel of our humanitarianism, what we do in terms of asylum seekers, but also meet the needs of the children coming in. i have 3-year-olds that have to be before a judge without access to counsel. we'll have that resolution on the floor when we come back after passover and easter. congresswoman powells'. >> do you believe that -- we looked at what president trump and his administration did at the border and said it's not worth the long trip up, but now it is because joe biden will let us in. >> it's not a question of agree with. what i said is if they have a well-founded fear of persecution, if they're asylum seekers, yes, it is agreeable. apart from that, if they're just coming, the message from joe biden is stay home for now. we have to address the causes of this migration. i brought a group before covid to the northern triangle, el salvador, guatemala and honduras, because that's where a lot of the immigrants were coming from. right before we went on the trip, the administration cut off the funding that congress had provided to address the needs in those countries. for example, usaid was helping with some places of shelter for young people there, and the rest it was the absolutely wrong thing to do. whether it's corruption or violence or just actually, in fact, what we found, even the climate crisis causing such a drought that people couldn't farm, make a living, and that was one of their motivations to come. that's not a well-founded fear of persecution, but the violence that springs from the corruption would be. so, again, if we can help them there in our hemisphere, that would be a good thing, so that they don't -- people generally like to stay home. >> all right. nbc's capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt joins us and she's got the next question. >> madam speaker, good to see you morning. >> nice to see you. >> president biden told abc news that governor cuomo should resign if the investigation shows the allegations against him are substansubstantiated? >> i repeat what i said -- what i have said. at the beginning i said these are credible and serious allegations, charges and that the women must be respected as they go forward and called for the investigation which is taking place. taking place under the leadership of a respected attorney general in new york. and let's 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jump in. >> apologies for those technical difficulties there. i was wanting to underscore here because we heard president biden now say that after that investigation that you talked about was complete, if the allegations are shown to be substantiated, governor cuomo should step down. you have other democratic leader like chuck schumer of new york saying he should step down. if that investigation shows those allegations are substantiated, should governor cuomo resign? >> we have zero tolerance for the behavior alleged against the governor. again, i think he is a supporter of zero tolerance in terms of sexual harassment. it would follow if you have zero tolerance, that would be a decision that we hope the governor would make. it's heartbreaking. it's heartbreaking. again, today on the floor of the house, although we're celebrating st. patrick's day, we're having the violence against women act on the floor and the equal rights amendment, separate legislation on the floor of the house. people have to unlearn some bad behavior in order to learn how we should go forward. again, if these allegations are proven to be true, then zero tolerance would follow, that the governor should not continue. >> speaker pelosi, i want to ask you about the covid relief bill. a landmark in many ways. how do you plan to sell it to the american public? >> i think the president and the vice president are doing a "help is on the way" tour right now. our members individually are taking the package home. it has so many spectacular provisions in it, first, to do what -- our purpose is to crush the virus. this bill is similar to what we passed in may in terms of the heroes act. but it is better in that president biden being president has injected so much more in terms of prevention and respect for the disparities among communities of color and the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, with the funding to make sure that it's available to everyone as they are eligible to receive it. i'm excited about the 18 and over from may 1st. so crush the virus, put money in the pockets of the american people, get our children safely back in school, again, and get people back to work. that's the package they are selling. within that, we have so many things about children who are starving and hungry in america. $12 billion for funding to address food insecurity, money for rental insecurity, so that people can get through this. so take every category, and i think you see that, they're talking about small business, what does this do for small businesses? very positive. taking one piece at a time so that people understand how they can avail themselves of the benefits. the response our members have been getting so far has been overwhelmingly positive. from the standpoint of our economy, this injection of money to those who need it the most, and they will spend it, injects demand into the economy, creates good paying jobs, serves as a stimulus, although it is a survival rescue package. so we're very, very proud of it, and it is, again, to meet the needs of the american people. that is what president biden has talked about, a package that would meet the needs of the american people. we're very proud of it, and our members are excited about exchanging ideas with people at home as to how they can avail themselves of it. >> speaker nancy pelosi, thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> it's bipartisan across the country, bipartisan across the country. >> it is. the support is there. we're about to talk about that. happy st. patrick's day. thank you so much for being on. joining us, white house editor for politico sam stein with new numbers on the stimulus. sam? >> hey, guys. it's the same old story, basically. this bill is incredibly popular across the board, and the specific components of it are immensely popular as well. our new politico numbers, first off, heard the news about it, 94% said they heard about it, 87% of republicans, they all heard about the bill. when you look at the specifics, direct money payments, 91% of democrats support it, 74% of independents, 67% of republicans support it. those are just -- you don't get numbers like that for many things. you go down to unemployment assistance, 85% of democrats, 67% of independents, 51% of republicans for that. unfortunately not on the screen right now. you can trust my numbers. they are accurate. i would add one other component here which is, if and when democrats and joe biden moved to their next package which is why they expected to be infrastructure, this won't be in a situation like in 2009 that the party moves on to something divisive, when they moved on to health care reform. if they move to infrastructure, there's broad bipartisan support for doing that as well. we polled that 89% of supportive, 82% of independence, 82% of republicans. the phrasing of that question is a little bit broad and vague. when you get down to the specifics, those numbers will indoubtly dip. you can't ask for a better issue to jump on as your second one if those are the numbers greeting you. things looking pretty well for the biden administration right now. they're still going out and selling the bill. we'll see if they can keep those numbers high. >> sam, it's kasie. one of the things we're starting to learn about infrastructure is that the biden team is proposing possibly a series of tax increases, and this is something that republicans are already seizing on and focusing on, and it is something relatively easy to put into an ad. do you think additions to that plan might be something that would give republicans leverage in midterm elections, it would actually change -- those numbers are striking and incredible really in terms of support. we know republicans are going to spend the next two years trying to change them. >> obviously, the devil is in the details to borrow a cliche. if you look at some polling data, it's actually not -- there's broad support for taxing the rich, putting taxes on wall street. if you can phrase the taxes and present them as that, then they're politically tenable. if you get caught in a debate over whether the middle class is getting taxed for this stuff, it's more problematic. it comes down to what kind of tax increases, if any, do they want? what we're seeing from the hill is they are likely or increasingly, i should say, to try to do this through reconciliation again. they have another vehicle that comes up in another couple months, which means they don't necessarily need to get republican support for this thing. we could have a situation again where democrats go forward on a party line basis with an immensely popular piece of legislation and republicans are left with a question about whether to put their names and signatures on it and try to reap some political benefit from it or whether to oppose it en masse. that's a really difficult question for republicans. we had a piece up on politico where top republican operatives basically can see they bungled the covid relief bill fight. they basically didn't mount a sustained or succinct pushback to the bill. they knew it was going to pass, and now they're left watching joe biden take the victory lap on a piece of legislation with 75% support. they didn't want to get into that situation again. it could very well be kasie, that finding specific provisions on tax hikes is the vehicle by which they need to attack it. >> thank you very much, sam. appreciate that. up next, the head of the anti-defamation league on what needs to be done to combat the alarming rise of white supremacist propaganda in the united states. keep it right here on "morning joe." we look up to our heroes. idolizing them. mimicking their every move. and if she counts on the advanced hydration of pedialyte when it matters most... so do we. hydrate like our heroes. ♪♪ so you want to make the best burger ever? hydrate like our heroes. then make it! that means cooking day and night until you get... 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voted for president trump that also are suspect of domestic terrorists, a false narrative. i wasn't surprised, but still pretty shocking it would take what i consider to be completely innocuous comment and use the race card on me. >> i get no one likes to be called racist, but sometimes there's just no other way to describe the use of bigoted tropes that for generations have threatened black lives by stoking white fears of african-americans. i don't think the senator is ignorant of the fact that for centuries in this country white supremacy has used fear to justify oppression, intimidation and violence against people of color. i do, however, think my colleague may be ignorant of the pain of his comments and how they compound the trauma so many still feel in the wake of the events of january 6th. one of our colleagues, to cast those as attacked the capitol as harmless patriots while stroking fear of black americans is rubbing salt in an open wound. >> democratic senator bob menendez calling senator ron johnson racist of his remarks on the january 6th capitol attack. a new report finds white supremacist propaganda has nearly doubled since 2019. joining us, the ceo of the anti-defamation league and sophia nelson, a "usa today" columnist and contributing editor to the agree oh.com. sam stein and kasie hunt are still with us as well. i guess what i'd like to ask you, sir, jonathan, is whether or not you see a direct link between the events of the past four years and the leadership we had and the rise in hate that we are witnessing here today in america. >> mika, thank you for having me. the adl is the oldest anti hate organization in the world. we've never quite seen four years like this. there is no question that there is a relationship to people in positions of authority, elected officials at the highest level demonizing their opponents, denigrating minority groups and the explosion of hate we've seen that's targeted jewish people, the latinx community and as we've seen in recent months the a api community. all this is lashed up. what our report reveals is white supremacist propaganda efforts nearly doubled year over year. we lad an average of 14 incidents a day in every state in america other than hawaii. and this is terrifying because what we've seen these groups do is use the language that the president pioneered like america first or reclaim america or this false patriotism to push prejudice, to denigrate immigrants, african-americans, jews and other minorities. we need to recognize that that kind of language has a real cost. so when senator johnson makes the inexplicable comment, truly, that he was not concerned about what happened on january 6th, mika, those weren't protesters. they were militants. it wasn't a riot. it was an attack. those individuals who didn't seek to talk about democracy with senator johnson, they sought to kidnap and kill our legislators, to interrupt the process because they were fueled by the incitement that started literally at the top. >> i see what you see. what is it so hard for everyone to see the same thing here? >> it's rather staggering. there is no narrative, mika, as he said. there are only facts. here are the facts. language can metastasize into harassment, vandalism and violence. there's a throughline, if you will, from charlottesville, pittsburgh, el paso, to the violence we've seen against the asian-american community. you can try to put a political sheen on this and suggest that what, what if there are mobs of other people. there are no mobs of other people. there's no organized armed antifa movement. there's only the reality that extremists over the last decade, right wing extremists have been responsible for 75-plus percent of the hate-caused murders in this country. they speak for themselves. we all do ourselves a disservice, republicans or democratic when we deny the reality that white supremacy is a terror threat that actually threatens us all. >> sophia, we've talked a lot over the last several years about this issue which is that these people that jonathan has talked about pushed to the shadows by a society who didn't want them out in public anymore, were given credence, not just by president trump, but other politicians who say your views are valid, you are effectively the victims in all of this and where our culture is heading right now. we heard that dripping off the lips of senator johnson when he said, first of all, that these people respect law enforcement. really? a cop was murdered. many others were beaten with flags and others. this idea that he was more afraid of the potential for black people coming into the building than he was for the people who actually perpetrated the crime and then finished it off by calling himself the victim, writing a piece for the "wall street journal" where he said he would not be silenced by the left. this is the cycle we've seen from prominent people over the last few years. >> wiley, first of all, we have two americas. i think one of the tragic things is when we have thoughtful discussions, whether on this network or others where we have people like mr. greenblatt come on and talk about the facts, the republican fbi director christopher wray was sounding the alarm for years during the trump administration that we had a serious problem with the rise of domestic terrorism. he didn't cite black lives matter or other groups. he specifically said we have a concern with white domestic terrorism that really uncovered itself in charlottesville. when senator johnson talks the way he does, understand he's speaking to that other america. there are two of us. there's one america where i think the majority of us live, i hope, where we do deal in facts and reality and we acknowledge that we've made progress, but that racism is still a serious problem. in the faux news other reality, they believe in something else, that white people are the victims, white people are being canceled, white people are under attack in this country, white culture, white history. until we can get to a place where we are e pluribus unum and we're one america, not two separate americas, not one white, not one black or brown, we're going to continue to see senators, united states senators talk like this, governors talk like this because we're very polarized. they made a decision, and it's tragic, that they're going to feed that beast and keep feeding it which is what ended us up on january 6th. for johnson to say these are peaceful people. when they wanted to kill black and white legislators, republican and democratic legislators, it tells a lot about where we are. that's the problem. >> sam stein, jump in. first off, it's not the most important point, but when ron johnson said -- you can't first of all say this might get me in trouble and then say what i thought i said was totally benign. those two things don't jive. it goes to show you that he knew what he was saying was not just provocative but politically problematic and culturally and socially problematic, too. my question is for jonathan, it's not backwards looking, it's forward looking. we're here now. everyone recognizes we have a problem that is growing, metastasizing. it's obviously political, but it's lot an element of our news ecosystem, of our society, how do you solve that? how do you put the genie back in the bottle, or are we in a place where there are no short-term solutions, but you have to hope and pray that over time some of this may defuse itself. >> i appreciate the question. it's the right question. we need toing acknowledge first and foremost, hate has been a problem that preceded donald trump and will continue into the future. that being said, there are steps we can take. first and foremost, we need people in positions of authority, whether you're the president of the united states or the president of the local pta to speak out clearly and consistently against hate, particularly when it affects other -- communities other than your own. as a jewish man, i'm deeply concerned about the a api hate, and i'm concerned about anti black racism, et cetera. we need to recognize we're in this together. that's number one. number two, i would suggest that we can recondition, if you will, this environment with things like anti-bias education and commemorations of other marginalized communities and lift them up. thirdly, i think something that's critical here is we need to end the complicity of the social media companies. our own analysis at adl suggests disinformation dropped dramatically when president trump was booted off twitter and youtube and facebook for violating the terms of service. those companies, the services have been a breeding ground for bigotry. if they can clamp down on disinformation and hate on their platforms, they'll make our entire environment much cleaner, healthier, more decent and more humane. >> i could not agree with you more. ceo and national director of the adl, jonathan 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then we've also been so sidetracked during the pandemic? >> well, first of all, let me say thanks for having me on. someone wrote a really great forward, someone named mika brzezinski. so we've gotten a lot of really good feedback on that. we featured the forward excerpts of it on the website. i think that women really need this, mika, and they need your platform and they need all the things you're doing in the world with know your value. covid hit women hard, disproportionately hard. you've been talking about it for the past year. i've been talking about it. women of color devastated financially, dealing with small business losses. women in general dealing with that, trying to be mom, trying to take care of their parents, make sure they get vaccinated, trying to keep the home fires burning, trying to cook, run their own full-time jobs and women have taken a hard hit and so covid has put a spotlight on how we as women do not, i underscore, do not take care of ourselves. so for me this is a tone about self-care. i updated the codes. you wrote the foreword, and i refreshed everything in the book so women can know that when they know their value they take themselves. >> so what's the code to follow for a woman who has been completely sidetracked or is working at home with kids and all of a sudden everything has fallen on top of her, and it feels like a massive setback? >> well, i think, again, when you wrote "know yourvalue "in 2012" and i wrote it in 2014 and i had no idea, and i think that's the code, i can go through it, but if you don't get number one right. if you don't know that you have worth in this world. if you don't know you're first you can't help the kids, you can't help the parents and everything that you say about that external value of know how to negotiate your worth and make sure you get paid with your worth. i'm saying it all starts how i take care of me, how i rest and how i nurture myself and how i give myself time-outs because if you're not doing that nothing else will work in your life and covid has made that really clear over the last week. >> what's the most important takeaway that you hope women will actionable take away for women reading this book? >> i think there, too. first it is that self-care and secondly it's what we're modeling right now. two women in their 50s who are on big platforms working together, collaborating and showing women that we lift as we climb, that we should be building a bench, that we should mentor, that we should take care of each other in a community of sisterhood regardless of our color and religion, whatever it is that we're a sisterhood of women and covid has taken care of each other as nurses, doctors as teachers, family and friends and women stepped up and women got hit hard. >> yes, the woman code, 20 powerful keys to unlock your life out now in paperback. sophia nelson, thank you as always. up next, president biden's new message to vladimir putin. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪♪ 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denigrate you, support president trump, undermine our elections and divide our society. what price must he pay? >> he will pay a price. we had a long talk he and i. i know him relatively well and when the conversation started off i said i know you and you know me if i establish this accord be prepared. >> you said you know he didn't have a soul. >> i did say to him. he said we could each other. i wasn't being a wise guy. we were alone in his office and president biden looked in his eyes and saw a soul. i said i looked in your eyes and i don't think we have a soul and he looked back at me and said we understand each other. the most important thing in dealing with foreign leaders in my experience and i've dealt with an awful lot is know the other guy. >> you know vladimir putin, do you think he's a killer? >> i do. >> speaking with abc news about the newly declassified intelligence assessment on foreign interference in the 2020 election. that said, russian president vladimir putin authorized, quote, influenced operations aimed at denigrating president biden's candacy and the democratic party supporting former president trump and undermining public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the u.s. casey, what you have here in this intel assessment is a look at what iran did and a look at what russia did in the 2020 election and a look at what china did not do and underlining that there were stooges in the u.s., rudy giuliani, among them who were willing to go along with russia's line of questioning about joe biden as you listen -- as you hear from the source there. what is the appetite in congress, kasie to tackle this russia process after the 2016 election. >> willie, i think we may see something of a return what we all have imagined to be normal that members in the republican party in particular were willing to take a pretty hard line stance toward russia and that, of course, changed when president trump came into office and took the attitude that he did and this, of course, turned into a political battle over impeachment eventually in the mueller report. now i think there's willingness on both sides of the aisle for measures against russia. i think that president biden would find support from members of congress for taking stronger steps here and that really is, i think, a reflection of a more standard version of how typically we've handled our politics and our affairs in that regard. so i think if he were to take further steps and he's taken some steps already focused on alexei navalny and we could go further sanctioning additional oligarchs around putin, for example, willie. >> kasie and willie, it is refreshing to hear a president speak very frankly about vladimir putin and he used the words that joe biden, that president biden used was important. he's got to describe him for what he is and who he is and we've seen the presidents in the past seeing into his soul and trump afraid of him and i think we're getting on the right track. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, march 17th, st. patrick's day. lots going on this morning so let's get smarter. within this hour, two big hearings on capitol hill covering two of the toughest challenges facing the president and this country. the covid pandemic and immigration. dr. anthony fauci and cdc director rachelle wolinski will testify on vaccines later this hour. as we speak, nearly 30% of american adults have gotten at least one shot and that number is growing by about 2.4 million americans every day, but we are at a very critical tipping point because even though covid numbers overall are still

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