the election. mitch mcconnell is threatening to scorch the earth if democrats get rid of the filibuster. later i'll be joined by the perfect guest to discuss the intimidation tactics, harry reid. he has a lot to say about mitch. we begin with ron johnson continues to dig a hole for himself. he's doubling down on his experiment in making the quiet part really loud. last week when he said he would be more afraid if the violent insurrection on january 6th was led by black lives matter protesters. >> on january 6th, i never get threatened. i knew those were people that loved this country and truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law, and so i wasn't concerned. now, had the tables been turned, this could mean trouble. had the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been concerned. >> it's no surprise that the remarks provoked justified accusations of rracism. here's senator bob menendez today. >> i get no one likes to be called racist, but sometimes there's just no other way to describe the use of bigoted tropes that for generations have threatened black lives by stoking white fear of african americans and black men in particular. one of our colleagues to cast those who attack the capital as harmless patriots while stroking fear of black americans is like rubbing salt in an open wound. raun johnson says the left is trying to silence him. he's saying so in an op ed. it has 3 million readers. ron johnson wants us to believe the united states senator and a darling of right wing media, a salary of $174,000 a year, he wants us to believe that he is being censored. far from silent, ron johnson is on a media blitz to defend the indefensible. he's done three interviews from yesterday. even though he said his remarks would get him into trouble, he said he's surprised anyone would think of him or his comments as racist. >> i completely did not anticipate that anybody could interpret what i said as racist. it's not. there is nothing racial about my comments. nothing whatsoever. >> it's completely been blown out of proportion. there was nothing racial in my comments whatsoever. >> i think it's pretty obvious and true and even innocuous statement that i made, never anticipated that they would turn that into what they always turn the debate into, racism. and why did you say you knew they would get you in trouble, ron? not only is ron johnson trying to play the victim. he's defending his ridiculous assertion that black lives matter is scarier than the violent mob of armed insurrectionists. the people who love this country and law enforcement. it happened to have a noose with them when they strolled into the capitol to hang mike pence. he's trying to concoct a left wing conspiracy equating black lives matter with the usual right wing boogie man like antifa and the radical left. he writes we should all be disgusted at the way others hide befind the banner of equality. he said it's about riots. they were united by the radical leftism. the column is incoherent, honestly. for example, ron johnson cites the unrest in kenosha as some of his alleged receipts but leaves out kyle riten house, the teenage militia member reportedly with the bugala boys. he was the violent one that is charged with double murder. far from being the aggressors, black lives matters protesters are often the victims of right wing violence including in louisville, kentucky. there's no evidence that others arrested in kenosha even identified with the loosely organized anti-fascists they hate so much. in fact, there's been nothing to confirm that antifa or radical leftists are responsible for anything ron johnson describes. as of october according to the ap, the only mention of antifa in court documents was in a single case. on the contrary, there's ample evidence that right wing -- including one who killed a federal officer in oak lapd and used the peaceful protest as cover. none of that is of interest to senator ron johnson. he would rather portray those of all races who dare to seek racial justice as the villians and not the megamob who tried to overturn the election. i'm joined by two guests. clint, i'm going to start with you. there's a long history of people like ron johnson pretending that civil rights was actually a conspiracy to hurt or kill white people. that's the way that it worked in the 1960s when jay edgar hoover sicked the fbi on people like dr. king, on civil rights activists, claiming that they were conspireing and often there were anti-semitic relations with jewindish communists. how is what ron johnson doing different than that? >> it's fascinating. in september of 2019 i testified to the committee that senator ron johnson was on, and what he was most concerned about was that there was no discussion of the extremism as being right wing. that was his big concern that day. he just saw it as there are extremists out there and let's talk about all sides of it. that was the entire point of his lecture that day. yet, you could point to it and say well, they are wearing donald trump hats. you would think that was logical but that's what it was. it's a two-year campaign essentially trying to create equivalency which is not there. there's no evidence to support it. and at the same time, this is somebody who is providing oversight by the way of the department of justice. providing oversight of something like the department of homeland security. providing oversight of what is a very dangerous phenomenon which is local law enforcement members having dual membership with a lot of these groups. essentially we see white supremacists, government militias. we can't have government law enforcement equal for all people in america. >> another way to look at it is he's trying to undermine the investigation because he like donald trump sees the people as part of his base. you've got all the way back to charlottesville. the only time you saw antifa was when they were in fistfights with nazis. can go through michigan, the same groups that say they're going to kidnap the governor. go all the way through the bugalu boys. this is cut three from my producers. remember this. this was a black lives matter protest. this is in minneapolis. this is during the george floyd protests. the person breaking glass and starting trouble and we saw so much of this, were not black lives matter people who were filming this guy. another right wing guy. he finally gets identified. he's a white supremacist. this kind of libel against black lives matter in your view, angela, what is the point of it? >> wem, it's the traditional boogie man strategy. we know from ages of political strategy that there always has to be a bad guy. in this instance it is the labeling of black lives matter as antifa, communists as dangerous as black. black in and of itself is the boogie man in this country. so you see whether we call them dog whistles or fog horns now, when they say things like well, i know they're patriots and love this country, now that is all of a sudden code for domestic terrorist, maga hat wearers and confederates. you saw the trump 2020 flag interchanged with the confederate flag and substituted for an american flag on the hill that day on january 6th. so for ron johnson to say you know, he wants to talk about riots? well, then let's. let's talk about riots in fact let's talk about how police officers would turn a blind eye to what happened on capitol hill. would turn a blind eye to racial uprising and riots from domestic terrorists who look more like ron johnson than me or you, joy. let's talk about riots and let's talk about the outcome from the riots. most of all, let's talk about what it means to really protect black lives in this country and stop with the dangerous labeling. that's what we really need to talk about. >> you know, and angela, staying with you for a moment. you were talking to people the day of the january 6th insurrection. did any report that ron johnson walked out and met the rioters in he was running with everybody else. as far as i can see, he was running, not standing there and having a little elocution with his friends. >> yeah. no, joy. i think the reality of it is so many of them did not know what was going on. they knew who was there. but you know, there is this convenient misremembering of what actually happened. and now the fact that these folks were patriots and were just upset and i wanted to go out there and say i feel your pain. no, you didn't. you didn't know who was coming in, how they were getting in and there were a lot more eugene goodmans who helped save people like ron johnson and many of his colleagues. it didn't matter your party that day. people were trying to survive and figure out what was going on whether you were on the republican side of the aisle or the democratic side of the aisle. everybody got the same alerts on their cell phones telling them to shelter in place, to stay where they were because they didn't know when these folks or how these folks were going to get in the building. that's the truth. he can have whatever kind of convenient memory he wants. but the truth is racism is as racism does. that's what it did on january 6th. >> clint, let's talk about this investigation. 90 0 search warrants. 15,000 hours of surveillance and body camera footage. 210,000 tips. 80,000 witness interviews. 300 suspects charged. this is like the largest investigation that we have seen in modern u.s. history. in your view, how far does this go? you were doing a long tweet about the lengthy investigation about russian attacks on our election. we got a lot of detail. are we going to get this kind of forensic detail on this, do you think, ultimately? >> i do, joy. one of the funniest things about this scenario is for these perpetrators is they're also the anti-mask perpetrators. there's an overwhelming body of evidence of the acts they committed. i mean, we know who they are. we figure it out all the time. the other thing you're starting to see from the fbi is criminal complaints they're lodging is they are using evidence that is being gathered from other people that are being arrested from other search warrants they're doing and electronic surveillance. you're watching up the threads of evidence now. this is how you build toward a conspiracy case. we also see in several cases particularly the proud boys and oath keepers, two investigations that are scaling. meaning there's communication, resourcing, coordination. you're seeing all the elements that could be a broader conspiracy case. this will go on for months. watching the public reaction, yes, they want justice. for the fbi to do this many arrests in such a short period, to go through that many thousands of hours of footage, to go all around the country and just identify these people where they're at, arrest them, bring them in, i can't imagine a case load that's been larger any time in u.s. history, really, than what they have to manage right now. even after 9/11, and devastaing attack. lots of evidence and recovery, you were looking for 19 hijackers. in this case the fbi and all the state and law enforcement are looking for thousands of americans ultimately to try and bring them to justice. i know america wants this to come to fruition, but this will go on at least the rest of the year i would imagine. >> yeah. let me take chris wray, the fbi director who testified last year about the threat of white nationalist terrorism. this is what he said. >> what i can tell you is that within the domestic terrorism bucket, category as a whole, racially motivated violence extremism is i think the biggest bucket within that larger group, and within the racially motivated violent extremism bucket, people ascribing to some kind of white supremacist type of ideology is certainly the biggest chunk of that. >> a real quick response from both of you. clint, first to you and then angela. how prepared is the federal government, do you think, for this threat going forward from your point of view, clint, and also from your point of view, angela. how prepared are black lives matter and black voters? they're confronting potentially deadly violence. >> across the government, i'm sure they're over capacity. now they have to investigate a crime that happened on january 6th and trying to preempt a scattering anti-government and conspiracy based threat. they could use a lot of support from the senate homeland affairs committee that drags him out there to testify. >> quickly, what i would say to you, joy s the there's a role the government has to play in preparing these groups who are doing the work of the lord. trying to ensure that people can vote, that people can survive and that people can thrive in this country. the folks who built this country. what we really need to see is a response from local, state, and federal law enforcement by info sharing and the same people, right, who are on capitol hill on january 6th, that means some of them can't be a part of law enforcement agencies because they're not sharing information to the good and for the protection of the groups who do the work every day. they're sharing that information to cause harm. you saw that as exhibit a on january 6th. so in addition to information sharing and coordination with all those government entities, they have to get people in there with the right intention. that's the bottom line. >> yeah. indeed. indeed. angela, clint, thank you both very much. appreciate you. up next on the reidout, long overdue relief for struggling families is starting toarrive. we'll talk about what needs to happen next, including the 15 minimum wage. clearly mitch mcconnell is really worried the democrats are going to reform the filibuster. >> nobody serving in this chamber can even begin to imagine what a completely scorched earth senate would look like. yeah, we can. harry reid has thoughts on that and he'll join me live. and republicans pivot from anti-mask to anti-vax. that's just part of their deadly stew of misinformation. even worse the premature push to declare the pandemic over encouraging everyone to get out there and party. 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that doesn't reflect the reality on the ground. 7.3% of pennsylvanians are unemployed as of january. 30% of adults have not enough to eat with 30% reporting difficulty affording household expenses. a background provided, the white house notes 20 % of the state's renters are behind on their rent. joining me now is the lieutenant governor john fete eerman. he's running for the seat held by pat toomey. it is convenient pat toomey is doing the drive by hit on his own state on his way out the door. what do you make of the fact that he's not even getting reelected? i don't know what the political incentives were, but he just said no to this? >> let me say we're going to miss pat. we are. and you said it's a liberal wish list. there is a lot of liberal wish list on that. imagine that. people who can't pay rent are going to be able to stay in their homes and people that haven't had enough food to eat during the pandemic are going to get help and a stimulus check for those that have been unemployed. it is -- if you call a wish list, i call that reality. pennsylvania showed up big for joe biden, and joe biden showed up big for pennsylvania today. this is a game-changing piece of legislation. to quote joe biden, this is a bfd. obviously i can't say it, but when that was said about obama care. this is one of the most monumental pieces of legislation in the 21st century, and i'm grateful pennsylvania had a part in that. and pat toomey on his way out is just one last bitter swing at the fact that there's talk about the senate race like you know who can't get elected in pennsylvania? pat toomey. that's why he's going to retire, not because he wants to spend more time taking up a hobby. pennsylvania wants what joe biden is trying to sell and today joe biden honored his commitment to help the everyday pennsylvanian and he did it in a grand slam fashion. >> and you are because you're running for the senate seat i can ask you political questions. here's the thing. pennsylvania has swung kind of. it was a trump state in 2016 for a lot of different reasons and narrowly. and then went back to joe biden who has roots in pennsylvania et cetera. campaigning statewide, i mean, there is a sense that there is particularly a white working class voter who cares more about cultural issues than money. or than the economy. or is that true? when presented with all of the sort of income that is going to come into 85% of american taxpayers are going to get a check of some level, is that actually powerful politics in a state like pennsylvania still? >> well, certainly. there's going to be republicans and people across pennsylvania that are unreachable. for whatever reason they just don't want to be part of mainstream society or they view people in a way that is just -- they're not reachable. but you know, the billions of dollars that the american rescue plan to going to deliver to pennsylvania is going to benefit red county pennsylvania more than blue county and they're going to understand that. some of the hardest hit counties in all of pennsylvania are deep red it's a disgrace not one single republican in our delegation voted for the american rescue plan but eight out of nine of them voted to say that the election was fraudulent in pennsylvania and in this country. i mean, that tells you all you need to know about the republicans right there. and they'll be the first ones to show up at a ribbon cutting or say to their constituents, well, we have this aid and this government, and all -- and my constituents are going to stay in their homes. not one of them voted for their constituents in this bill, but eight out of nine of them voted to say that pennsylvania was -- the election was rigged even though they were on the same ballot. that's your gop right now. >> if you put the $15 an hour minimum wage on the ballot right now, would that pass in pennsylvania? >> 100% it would pass. and that's one of the things about the bill that left me heart broken. this idea that a body of elected officials that make $174,000 a year, a majority of them say that you don't deserve to make at least $31,000 a year working full-time often in jobs that are really not very glamorous and very difficult, i think that's -- pennsylvania wants a minimum wage increase. we have, again, republican-controlled legislature that says 7.25 right now is okay. and we in pennsylvania know that a $15 an hour minimum wage touches a dignified paycheck to the dignity that all work has. trying to restrict the vote. and make it harder for places like philadelphia to vote because that was, again, you said it, a lot of republicans voted to say no the election was fraudulent except not personal election, just the trump one. do you think that that is going to become law? that it's going to get harder and harder to vote in pennsylvania, particularly for pennsylvanians oh of color? is that coming? >> unfortunately, they certainly tried which is more bizarre. because the vote by mail law was actually very much a republican bill. it was unanimous by republicans. and they had to change their tune on the president, that then president trump came out against it. but the good news is that bill, what they're trying to do is going to die under governor wolf, and there's no chance vote by mail is going to go away thankfully. we have the votes on our side to block that and the governor would veto that. understand the only reason the republicans voted to agree to vote by mail is because they wanted to get rid of the straight party voting option which made voting easier and quicker and predominantly black urban areas like philadelphia and pittsburgh. they thought that was the holy grail where they say we give this up, and then it backfired on them. they had buyer's remorse, and now they're against it before they were for it but fortunately the governor is going to veto that if it ever makes it out of the legislature. >> we will keep an eye on it. lieutenant governor, good of you to come on tonight. appreciate you. thank you. still ahead, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is threatening a scorched earth senator if democrats mess with the filibuster. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, there's more to take advantage of. get a check-up here... and have a wellness visit come to you there. ♪ wow, uh-huh ♪ unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans. take advantage everywhere. ♪ wow. ♪ ♪♪ here's to the duers. to all the people who realize they can du more with less asthma thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathing problems. it can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as 2 weeks and help prevent severe asthma attacks. it's not a steroid but can help reduce or eliminate oral steroids. dupixent can cause serious allergic reactions including anaphylaxis. get help right away if you have rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and don't change or stop your asthma treatments, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. are you ready to du more with less asthma? 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completely reverse the voting rights act. get rid of medicare and social security? they tried it with obama care. i seem to remember in mitch mcconnell's home state, the governor there tried getting rid of obama care and got bounced by the voters. is it a real threat from mcconnell? >> mcconnell is facing reality, and it bothers him a lot. the filibuster is on its way out. it's not a question of if but when. it may not be tomorrow or six months from now, but the filibuster is doomed for failure. you can't have a democracy that requires 60% of the vote on everything. that's what the republicans have done. they have made a mockery of what the senate should be. for example, linden johnson was a leader for six years. he had to overcome two filibusters. i had to overcome more than 100. the car pileup that mcconnell is talking about is already there. they created it. >> well, and the filibusters that linden johnson faced were around -- and now it's the republicans nature is the dixiecrat party. could any republican senator get reelected for getting rid of things like obama care and getting rid of medicare and getting rid of social security and beening abortion? the things they say they want to do if they did them? wouldn't they then be immediately removed by the voters? >> of course. you cannot -- we passed obama care on christmas eve. we got every democratic vote we needed. just barely had it. it was the first time we met on christmas eve in 150 years, but obama care, a affordable care act has been widely popular throughout america. republicans like it. independents like it. and of course, democrats overwhelmingly like it. so mitch mcconnell is crying crocodile tears that nobody cares because what he has done to the senate is a mockery of what the senate used to be. when they were in control of the senate, they didn't allow any amendments. there was certainly no votes on anything other than judges. that's all they did. and we now have a democratic majority. even -- it's a close naejt, but we control it because of kamala harris is vice president, and i'm sure that that is -- we have mitch mcconnell crying oh, it's going to be terrible. to get rid of the filibuster, but the country is better off by having a real democracy, not a fake democracy. 60% is not a democracy. >> let's talk a little bit about the democrats, then. you're right. and not all the democrats agree. there are some democrats and it isn't just joe manchin. we talk about him as the underboss of the party, some ways it seems like he's running the joint, but it's other people, mark warner, jackie rose, jack reid, leahy and others who don't want to get rid of the filibuster. the majority are open to change and there are only who are just like kill it altogether. how do you get them to come on board? the ones who are reluctant, who are afraid that republicans will come in and just vote out the civil rights act if they get the majority? >> all over the world we have parliaments that the majority rules. the majority party wants they get most of the time. there's nothing wrong with that. that's what democracy is all about. and i think that people are not aware of the fact that our country is not working well. we have a lot of things that we need to get done. the american rescue act, we got it done because of a recken silluation. we've got a lot of things we need to get done. we need to get infrastructure, create jobs. we have during those highways, bridges, dams, water systems, sewer systems. we can't do that with a filibusters. republicans said they're going to oppose everything biden wants. >> well, and it's not just to get the numbers correctly, it's 19 who want to kill it, not four. how would you do it? if the filibuster is killed, procedurally, how would you do it? only need a majority vote. i created that. only need a simple majority. >> just a simple majority? okay. and short of that -- >> you only need a simple majority to get rid of the 60 votes. >> and so let's say if they -- you couldn't get the 60 votes. is there -- 51 votes, is there something short of killing it altogether that you think would fix this problem? is there another way to change the filibuster? >> we have a number of people, al franken called me today. he's been talking to joe manchin. they were talking about having a modified filibuster where you have to stand for a certain period of time, and then when they got tired of standing, they would have a majority vote. so people are concerned about it. and know it has to change. i'm glad there's some conversation being conducted right now as we speak. >> well, we shall see. i hope that they listen to you and al franken, because it does absolutely i think need to go. we'll see what happens. senator, always great to see you. thank you very much. still ahead, florida's governor has put some of his city's mayors in a tight spot as spring breakers with little concern for covid flood the state. tonight's absolute worst is next. stay right there. than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz... a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can help relieve joint pain and swelling, stiffness, and helps stop further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra may increase risk of death. tears in the stomach or intestines and serious allergic reactions have happened. don't let another morning go by without asking your doctor about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. xeljanz. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ alright, i brought in ensure max protein... so you can go from saving... to living. ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't (grunting noise) i'll take that. yeeeeeah! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar drink, play, and win big in the powered by protein challenge! psst! psst! allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! you're good. ♪ hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play ♪ ♪ hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ and all that glitters is gold ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. ♪ ♪ with any handcrafted burger. ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. the lincoln family of luxury suvs. there's a reason you're feeling fatigued, stressed and isolated. you have been trying to survive a pandemic for more than a year and doing everything you can to keep your family and yourself alive and safe. and it certainly doesn't help that a segment of the population is acting like the pandemic is over. simply because they're tired of it too. they don't want to wear a mask so no one should. they don't like the lockdown orders or having their lives disrupted or being told what to do as if anybody does. so they're acting like they're special. they're special. they're more special than you or your life or your loved ones and therefore, this entire pandemic and the half a million dead in the country blow that off as no big deal. who cares? 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>> it's very worthisome, as you point out, this is a rerun of what happened last year, where people kept coming to florida at the start of the first pandemic, the first surge of the pandemic and you have to be worried not just because people are coming together, are going to spend a lot of time together, but that these new variants that are much more deadly and worrisome. so spending time could be worse than it was a year ago and that is a big concern and you know, we've warned about it. i think you see the head of the cdc, also warning about it. >> you know, it's ironic that you have people on the right claiming it's president biden trying to prolong the vaccine. that's what's prolonging the pandemic, that's what's prolonging the pandemic, if people would for six weeks, you know, have some discipline, we could be out of it, but they won't. i konder how much you think trump could influence this? trump went on maria bartaromo show this evening. he got his vaccine in secret. he didn't want everybody getting together and psa'ing and doing it. he said out of his own mouth, people should get the vaccine. he recommends people should do it. we were talking in the break. my thought is the minute he says that, all of the fox news and news max and oa empire will turn on a dime. if he says and they switch side, is that the break-through we need? >> i don't know. i think it can help. it certainly can't hurt to have president trump endorse it and get, admit that he got the vaccine and very much wanted the vaccine because, you know he was in bad shape when he got covid. if you look at the focus groups he did over the weekend, i didn't look at that. i also talked extensively to someone who actually watched them. it appears that the key element for these people who seem hesitant or resistant is not so much having a politician saying it. but having someone they know and trust look their local doctor. i think maybe one of the secret weapons we haven't used as excessively as we should have are is having doctors talk directly to their patients. now, maybe with the j&j vaccine, that has the capacity to be refrigerated can go to doctors to administer to their own patients. maybe that will initiate this sort of more traditional route having doctors whose patients trust say, you know, you should come in for this vaccine. because doctors do believe it's the right thing to do. i do think that hyper local getting the message from someone you trust is going to be really important and i think that could be the key element here that breaks this cycle. there are in the end going to be some residual anti-vaccine surge that will throw up things like vaccine cause autism or alzheimer's. i think the vast americans 85% will end up taking this vaccine. >> if you want to get a vaccine, they got it for the measles. there are people out there. let's talk about the pragmatic parts of it. it is sort of frustrating to look at the way this is being rolled out. it's great we are hitting and meeting the target that president biden set forth. but it is so different depending on your state. in some states you can get it if you are a teacher. in florida, teachers are saying, hey, why aren't we in the line. some states you can get it at 16 and up. connecticut dropped the age way down. in some states you have to be 60. it's so varied state by state. do you think that's the good idea or should the cdc put out guidance that says, look if you, are an essential worker, a teacher, you should get it regardless of age. there are all these varying rules just making it harder? >> joy, i think by the tone of your question i agree with you. which is i have always been for a centralized approach. one of the problems is it doesn't make sense. there has to be one that is better. we should be pushing it out. among other things, it creates one message. you are not tailoring the message for different groups. it means we can agree on priority groups. i have long said healthcare workers, people over 65, they need to get it. then we should have essential workers. we should have teachers, grocery store workers, meat pack plaptd plant workers. other agricultural workers. that should be the national standard. i think it makes it much easier. you can then look at states. how many healthcare workers they have. how many over 65. how many front line essential workers and teachers that allocate the vaccine on that basis and not on the basis -- of the situation, which there is nothing to what you actually want to achieve. >> that's right. do you think, there was a moderna vaccine tested on kids. shouldn't we be vaccinated school kids? school kid, teachers, college kid got it. that seems to be the best way, anyone connected with a school all the way up to college? >> well, first of all, it hasn't been proven safe for children any of the vaccines, the moderna and j&j for children under 16. so moderna proposed it is going to run trials with children as young as six months. those trials are absolutely essential. for one thing, they need to figure out what the right dosage is, because we don't know. often we have smaller doses for smaller kids in part because their immune system, i think running those trials is very, very important. i hope people enroll kids in it. >> all right. that is tonight's readout. be sure to join me tomorrow. the guest will be hud marsha fudge in her first interview since she was confirmed. tonight on "all in." the crucial vaccine effort hampered by those stoking fear and skepticism, putting people's lives if danger for profit. >> how necessary is it to take the vaccine? deep dismiss those questions from anti-vacciners. then the president pushes for economic relief while republicans return to old scare tactics on the border. >> there is no other way to claim it than a biden border crisis. >> then bernie sanders on the there are 1,400 checks arriving, the desperate plea from parents as dozens of new

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