serve as a u.s. cabinet secretary. speaking to the president of the navajo nation about the great hope and turmoil for america's indigenous people. welcome to tuesday. it is "mpt daily," and i'm chuck todd. in a lengthy statement, the new dhs secretary said as a nation we're on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in 20 years. think about that. that's quite a statement. he noted border patrol facilities have become crowded with children and hhs does not have the capacity to intake the number of accompanied children they've been encountering and that number of migrant children continues to go up. nbc news learned as of sunday border patrol had 4,300 unaccompanied children in its custody. it's a record number. last week was a record number. this is a 30% spike, by the way, in just a week. nearly 3,000 of the migrant children were being held beyond the current three-day limit. nbc news is also reporting from the associated press that fema plans to convert a dallas convention center to house unaccompanied migrant. and this in "the new york times," how children are sleeping on mats in overcrowded utilities. the criticism has become a lightning rod for republicans, seizing on the issue politically at the moment when the white house is trying to keep the focus on the covid relief law. later this hour president biden will be departing the white house for pennsylvania avenue as he and the vice president continue to hold events all across the country this week touting their response to the covid crisis. meanwhile, republicans are planning more visits to the border. nbc's mike memoli is in washington, d.c. with the latest on the biden administration, julia ainsley is covering the latest at the border for us and has the latest. let me start with mike, we know the president and vice president, their job today is to tout covid relief. but the fact that the white house did have mayorkas put out that memo today, they could be trying to get everybody not to pay attention to that and only focus on this. there appears to be an acknowledgment they have a growing problem. >> yes, that's right, chuck. you talked about the fact the white house is unwilling to call what's happening at the border a crisis, and i think one of the reasons for that is because using the word crisis connotes sort of a lack of control. if there's one thing this biden administration wants the public to believe is that the federal government can manage big, thorny, complicated problems, whether it's the pandemic or whether it's immigration. that i think is what this memo was released today in a very detailed way that homeland security secretary mayorkas explaining what the issues are at the border, what they can do and are doing and explaining sort of the things out of control. for instance, there is pam. there's hurricanes that have exacerbated what he's careful to point out already a trend of increased numbers coming towards the border. but as we heard from the white house press secretary, jen psaki, yesterday, there are a lot of critics but not a lot of solutions. in some ways i think the messaging challenge for the white house on this immigration issue mirrors what the messaging challenge for republicans has been as the president gets ready to tout this rescue plan, that as hard as this white house is going to work over the next two weeks promoting the benefits of this rescue plan, they can ride good data, good trends, good feelings in the general public that the pandemic is increasingly under control, especially as it relates to vaccine, where as on the immigration front, this is a very complicated nuanced problem and republicans can simply point to the very same trend lines. and where republicans are arguing on the pandemic that the president, biden administration should give some credit to the trump administration for what he did to help get us to this point, the biden administration is also careful to say, we are dealing with a very problematic situation that we inherited from our predecessor here. and so in terms of the politics though, this is a biden administration that was a biden campaign that took a lot of its cues in the 2020 election from the 2018 midterm elections. what they would be careful to point out is what were the closing arguments in 2018 for democrats? it was about health care. for republicans and president trump at the time, it was about migrant caravans coming to the border. there's a confidence, i think, at the end of the day that they can stick to their own message and win. and interesting if you look at republicans while kevin mccarthy, leader of the house republicans is at the border talking about immigration, the minority leader of the senate is pushing back on the rosy picture the president is painting on the pandemic, chuck. >> yeah, mike memoli, we do have a republican party that i think doesn't have any interest in wanting to legislate at all on immigration, which means the beds has to go it alone. let me bring in julia here for a minute. julia, let me ask you this question -- so why -- the biden administration took pains to say the border is closed. they said they want to have the asylum process be in country. it's clear that the message has gone out, hey, the united states is not going to send home any unaccompanied minor that comes to the border. has there been any thought of taking these unaccompanied minors that are coming now and flying them back to their home country to do the asylum process? >> that has not been indicated to me, chuck. i think this administration campaigned on a more human border process and that expelling very vulnerable, unaccompanied children would not fit that campaign promise. but on the other hand, they have the message that's getting back to central america that not only can unaccompanied children come, but more immigrants can come. that statement this morning from the homeland security secretary was talking about overall immigration. they've already seen it rise by 30% just from january to february, and usually the peak is around may or june. so if they continue on this trajectory, they're looking at a 20-year high and what often happens, chuck, it will be one policy to deal with one population, take daca, for example. then people who don't even qualify for those protections, here an overall message of a more appeasing, main, more open policy and they take that to mean this is the time to come. often it's because those messages are misconstrued by cartels who tell misinformation to immigrants to try to encourage them to pay money and make this journey. so now the biden administration is facing both of those messages. and we heard that last week when roberta jacobson, ambassador jacobson said from the white house podium that they're trying to give a message of hope but at the same time saying the border is closed and they understand they're trying to walk and chew gum at the same time. she said that herself. >> yes. julia, do they understand though that as long as these folks are placed with families and are kept here, that's the message that ends up getting sent home? hey, you don't get sent back if you're an unaccompanied minor? i have to say it's not a shock to me we keep breaking records for the number of unaccompanied minors that are crossing the border. >> yeah, but let's think about that. we're talking about a 20-year high and that policy where we would have sent the children back really only existed for less than year under the trump administration. it has long been a policy because it's a human one and it's part of the way asylum seekers are treated internationally and that we have special protections for children that we don't just deport children without giving them a chance to claim asylum, that we don't release children to live on the street without having them go through proper care and be placed with a vetted sponsor. i mean, what happened under the obama administration is they tried to expedite children through this process and in a few cases, they were placed with people who caused them harm. so they have to have a careful vetting process to get them into these homes, but you're right, when you see it that way, you change from one thing to another overnight, it can seem like no surprise here but really they're going back to the status quo, the way it had been for a very long time. >> and is there -- obviously, the florez settlement is dictating the law here and how long they have. in order to overcome this, there has to be legislation in congress and there's just no progress on that issue at all, is there? >> yeah, actually, the 72-hour rule that says you can only keep children in border patrol custody for 72 hours, that's from the traffic victiming reauthorization act. this is to try to limit how much time anyone can spend in border patrol custody because they wanted to protect victims of trafficking. so that would need really an overhaul of that particular legislation, which really does a lot to protect people. in fact, i don't think what the biden administration would want is more time in custody right now when it comes to children. sometimes we've seen people like the trump administration push for more time overall in custody, specifically for families, thinking it can be a deterrent, but right now they want to get these children out of custody and with families as quickly as possible. >> right. mike memoli, julia ainsley, getting us started. thank you. i want to dive into politics of this current moment as republicans try to keep focus on a border emergency. in some ways they sabotaged our immigration policy and this is why we're here, as they also don't want to have a focus on the pandemic. democrats, meanwhile, would like nothing more than to talk about what they believe is a popular covid relief bill signed into law last week. the situation at the border complicated things for them significantly. joining us now, maria teresa kumar, founder of voting latino and msnbc contributor. maria teresa, this is a impossible situation in some ways because in many ways the asylum process was essentially destroyed by stephen miller, they sort of blew it up so it's an extra mess. throw in the pandemic and national disasters and there's sort of a normal draw of people fleeing extreme poverty and extreme problems. but they're going to have to go it alone here because it doesn't look like they're going to be able to get anything done in congress. this doesn't seem like an easy -- there's an easy answer here. >> i think you hit the nail on the head when you say the democrats right now seem to be going at it alone but then you also describe something that is not only large but in none of the conversations i have heard so far, chuck, is anyone talk about the root cause. how do we stem the flow of children coming and making that treacherous journey? many americans don't realize that the way -- one of the ways obama dealt with it was actually allowing children to present themselves at the local u.s. embassy asking for asylum instead of making that dangerous trek. and that was one of the first things trump getted. so we saw these children making these trips technically unnecessarily because there were systems in place. and now we are seeing biden doing the same thing but one of the things that we're talking about is the reason people are making this treacherous journey is because of climate change and climate disruption. there's no economic opportunities. so what we are seeing right now of the influx at the border is frankly a band-aid solution and we need the biden administration to come forward and help explain what kind of plan he has for latin america that will help stem these individuals from coming here and trying to stay home. i know when he was on the campaign trail, he had a marshall plan for latin america. well, he needs to dust it off. is now the time after he passed a $1.9 trillion package? that is the difficulty, how do you get people to spend more money? but technically, it's not an expensive plan. we're talking about $20 billion to $100 billion, which sounds big, it's billions, but in the large scheme of things, there are things that can be rectified because these countries want to work with the american government to make sure their people stay as well. >> carlos, it's hard to look at republicans in congress and see that they want to solve this problem. look, i have watched the immigration issue, i have watched both parties at times, daca potential compromise because they think the politics will help them. i think democrats did that in 2010. this is what it looks like now with republicans, they're almost rooting for a problem so they can walk away from it. >> chuck, regrettably, the opposition party in the united states has for a long time not been a loyal opposition and certainly you can expect republicans to make a lot of hay out of this crisis. and you're right, the main reason that we're in this position is because congress has not passed a comprehensive, coherent immigration policy for this country, which, as maria teresa says, should include major investments in central america for economic development and opportunity there so people don't feel like they have to flee. however, it's going to be very difficult for this administration to blame this crisis on the trump administration, and for the biden administration, the squeeze is on. on one hand you have republicans yelling about the border and on the other hand you have liberal activists all throughout the country decrying the reopening of shelters, one of here in south florida, that house children because they consider them to be immoral. i have visited these shelters. i can tell you from my experience, the children there were treated in a compassionate way, were well fed, given opportunities to learn english. but a lot of liberal activists just don't accept this as a solution. so this is a politically complex and potentially perilous situation for the biden administration. as you've said, right when they're trying to sell this major legislative achievement, which is the covid relief package. >> maria teresa, henry coyar, who represents south texas down there, democrat, said he believes the administration is listening too much to immigration activists and not enough to the community down there. what would you say to him? >> i think if there is a child that is left -- i mean, if you have a child there that is not able to be released to a sponsor, even though they've been vetted, we have a problem. and what the biden administration is trying to recognize during the pandemic, they have to open up the shelters but it was only temporarily. under the trump administration, there's no temporarily. we had cases there eight, ten, months and that's where the rubber hits the road. recognize we have a large problem today that was in large part inherited by a system that was designed for dhs to fail. when he said he's not listening enough to the people at the border, those are the reasons mayorkas sent the delegation of himself and white house staff to see for themselves. having a child separated from a loved one at any time, can you clothe them, feed them, provide them education but you're not dealing with the actual trauma of having them separated from their families. and those are things sadly we won't be able to want phi until generations down the line, years down the line, chuck. and that's why it's important to make sure the children are getting, yes, the care they need but also wrap-around services and they're getting unified by people who can take care of them from the very beginning when they get here and that is what they're struggling with because it's an imperfect process. we had someone at the head of the administration that was being whispered by stephen miller it was not human or okay to keep them in cages two, three, four at a time. trying to untangle that is absolutely difficult but it does not make it less urgent to deal with it as soon as possible. >> carlos, we know the word comprehensive immigration is toxic on capitol hill. could you get a working group of republicans to redo our asylum laws that would make this -- that would help give the administration a few more tools to deal with this border issue? >> chuck, i think you can find small groups of republicans that are willing to work with democrats on this issue. it's very difficult. the reason that we had to use a discharge petition process, which is essentially a very aggressive legislative tool to just get an immigration debate on the floor, is because republican leadership in the 115th congress didn't want to touch this issue. and to be fair, i think in some cases democrats have also preferred the politics of immigration over the solutions for immigration. but i'll tell you this, all of the criticisms about the trump administration are fair. at the same time i think we have to understand the current policy is unsustainable. essentially every latin american family under the current policy has an incentive to send their children -- a lot of times alone, minors to the border with coyotes, who are feeding criminal enterprises. i mean, this is a policy that is not sustainable long term. a majority of the american people won't support the status quo in the long term. so it behooves democrats to try to find some republicans to work with and solve it. >> well, and we all have to realize -- >> chuck, the only thing i would say to that is for a parent to leave their child and tell them to make that treachery journey, it's not a calling card. it's not a calling card. it is an incredibly difficult choice of what kind of tragedy they must be witnessing, whether it's hunger or violence. npr did a report of a 10-year-old girl who was blind and she had on her a piece of paper with an address to chicago. these are desperate times and desperate people. by no means is it a calling card of sending my child to the border because it's a nice thing to do. >> chuck, just -- >> and that's what we need to understand, the desperation. go ahead, carlos. >> i want to make it clear, there's no question but the solution is to invest in latin america and make sure that all of these families have an opportunity to thrive there. the solution can't be for every single person who is suffering through these difficult conditions comes to the united states, because it's just not sustainable long term. the american people won't stand for it. and it's very difficult for our country to process so many people, and to place so many children. it just can't -- the status quo isn't going to work long term. that's the point i'm making. >> we're aligned there. >> i hear you -- no, no, i think that everybody needs to realize, imagine how desperate the situation is that some parent is willing to let their kid go alone to a stranger. that is the aspect of this, which shows you the atrophy and, i'm sorry, this is 40 years, my entire lifetime i have been waiting for a presidential administration to give a darn about the western hemisphere and so that has been a multi administration, multi party head in the stand issue. we won't solve it today but it's good we're surfacing some of the issues now. thank you both. coming up -- week two of jury selection in the murder trial of former police officer derek chauvin is now under way. how the city's $27 million settlement to george floyd's family could end up changing the location of the proceedings. we're going to go live to minneapolis in a few minutes plus, the vaccine rollout issues trigger a third coronavirus wave in europe. get the latest from london. but as we go to break, it's a look at life after lockdown here at home. ♪ and a little bit of chicken fried ♪ ♪ cold beer on a friday night ♪ ♪ a pair of jeans that fit just right ♪ ♪ and the radio up ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. 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>> no, exactly right. exactly. and really, it seems like nation states are moving because their populations are panicking, if you like. you mentioned world health organization, european union's medicine authority, both saying this is not proven and that's crucial, because not only does it mean the vaccinations slow even more and they're already slowing europe, which will make the third wave worse, but it's also increasing people's suspicions about vaccinations and there's already high suspicion in europe. chuck, this is really tearing at the politics of europe and of the european union that there's squabbling, eastern european countries have been talking about trying to get vaccines through russia with all of the implications of that. europe said that it could handle this vaccine rollout. instead it's been slow. and politically, there's nothing worse, if you like, than a governing body unable to protect people's health. that's how profoundly challenging it is for europe right now. >> this has been a challenge. the eu's governance has been challenged and this is another one that you got to -- it's going to make a lot of people ask themselves, how is the eu going to look after all this is done? 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>> yeah, they've not really released a public justification for why they've suspended vaccinations. there may be valid reasons but they haven't shown their cards. and, you know, we know covid-19 causes a lot of tlom bottic illness and that's why people observe come to the hospital or icu, is because of thrombotic issues like they are taking about with the vaccine. i don't know if this is due to covid-19 or inadequate protection or other reasons, but it's a lot of concern because it doesn't take much to derail public confidence in a vaccine. it doesn't take much to get even a good vaccine voted off the island. i'm really worried about this eroding confidence, happening at the worst possible time with the b.1.1.7 variant coming at a terrible time. now we are hearing from colleagues in africa and elsewhere about their concerns with the astrazeneca based on what's happening in europe. this could be a domino effect. we don't have a lot of safe and durable vaccines. we all counted on the astrazeneca one to be a workhorse, so i'm really worried about this. >> what do you know about this vaccine, and are you concerned about it? have you looked at it? is this a -- contrast what type of vaccine this is compared to the mrna vaccines of moderna and pfizer. >> it's actually quite a bit similar to the johnson & johnson vaccine. it's an adenovirus investigatored vaccine, a technology that's been around for a while. the group at oxford university, my colleagues there, have been working on it for decades really. and to me the data looked pretty compelling both in terms of efficacy and safety and it works really well against the b.1.1.7 variant that's now in the uk. so i would have pretty low threshold about restarting those vaccinations because europe doesn't have a lot of alternatives right now and the deaths from covid are going to start to accelerate. this b.1.1.7 is a bad actor. much more transmissible than anything we've seen and higher case fatality rates and that's data coming out of denmark and the uk and elsewhere. >> all right, so i want to fast forward here a bit, dr. otez. we have europe now, its vaccination process flowing, they're surging. you have brazil, obviously has its own problems. how are we going to protect ourselves from essentially two continents right now that both appear to be taking a step backwards in their ability to stamp out this virus? >> well, they're taking a step backward for two reasons. one, in the case of europe, you have the b.1.1.7 variant accelerating and in the case of brazil, p. 1.1.1 accelerating, both more transmissible an thag we've seen before and you have this goblization of an anti-science movement that unfortunately more or less started in texas where i am. and i've been going up against this now for a number of years and now it's a full-on global force. we're starting to see this derail confidence of vaccines in europe, in latin america and it's a full-on problem now in the united states, particularly among the republican party, the tea party, which is how it started in 2015 under this banner of health freedom, political action committees formed and now when you look deeper into some of those polls, we did a poll, a new one you just cited, it's primarily the republican party and the far right, which is objecting to vaccines. and this was both predicted and predictable based on what's happened the last six, seven years. >> and very quickly, dr. hotez, i assume this just makes us more vulnerable to variants and makes us more vulnerable to covid not being stamped out? >> absolutely. remember, now that this virus is more transmissible, it raises the bar in terms of the percentage of the american people who need vaccinated in order to stamp it out and the good news is the vaccines are looking really promising not only stopping symptomatic illness but halting a symptomatic transmission based on studies in israel. if we can fully vaccine the u.s. adult population and adolescence, we can halt transmission but that's not going to happen unless somebody finally beyond somebody like myself as a medical school professor takes on the anti-vaccine, anti-science lobby, which is now so powerful here in the u.s. >> dr. peter hotez at baylor, really appreciate having you on and your expertise is much appreciated. thank you. >> thank you very much, chuck. >> stay safe. up next, we're going to head to minneapolis in the latest for the trial of former police officer derek chauvin. network at no extra cost. and plans to mix and match, so you only pay for what you need. the plan is so reasonable, they can stay on for the rest of their lives. aww... and on top of that, nobody gives you more entertainment you love like disney+, hulu and espn+ on select unlimited plans. you even get one of our best 5g phones on us when you buy one. and it all starts at just $35. only from verizon. - [narrator] at southern new hampshire university, we're committed to making college more accessible by making it more affordable, that's why we're keeping our tuition the same through the year 2021. - i knew snhu was the place for me when i saw how affordable it was. i ran to my husband with my computer and i said, "look, we can do this." - [narrator] take advantage of some of the lowest online tuition rates in the nation. find your degree at snhu.edu. if you smell gas, you're too close. leave the structure, call 911, keep people away, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. if you see wires down, treat them all as if they're hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. welcome back. jury selection has continued into its second week in the trial of derek chauvin. he's the former police officer charged in the death of george floyd after he was the officer who kneeled on mr. floyd's neck for about nine minutes. but friday's record $27 million settlement between the city of minneapolis and floyd's family in their civil suit could end up impacting these criminal proceedings. chauvin's defense team is arguing the large settlement implies guilt and has requested a delay in the trial, asking it be moved to a different location. paul butler, actually, if you remember from georgetown university, hinted that this could be something that the defense team could -- could end up pointing to and sure enough they are. just one potential juror, by the way, has been dismissed yesterday after telling the court she thought settlements can imply guilt. shaquille brewster is following this trial for us from minneapolis. shaq, so what is the process for deciding whether there is a change of venue in this trial? >> well, there will be arguments from both sides. one thing to note about both of the motions -- or two of the motions that have been raised by the defense, both the change of venue, the jury sequestration and even the continuance, those have been raised by the defense in the past. the judge has already denied those motions months ago. we've seen a little bit of this before in those arguments and how that takes place but something we should note about this, one reason why the defense continues to raise this is they don't want the jury pool to be tainted. what we've heard before this court went into lunch break was the judge said, okay, i agree with you on us going back and looking at the jurors that have been seated. so the judge said starting tomorrow morning, he will bring back seven of the jurors that have been seated and ask them about how they feel about the settlement and if that changed their ability to be impartial. the judge said in terms of the continuance or change of venue, that's still under advisement and he denied a motion to immediately sequester the jury, saying all the jurors so far, they have expressed that they're familiar with the case but they have also said they're willing to put that aside and avoid news coverage and sit on that jury. so that's kind of where we're at right now. in terms of the jury that has been seated so far, we're still in the same position we were in this time yesterday. nine members of the jury have been seated. we know they've been processing through potential jurors and dismissing a lot. for different reasons. some were dismissals by the defense. others for cause. one was a substitute teacher, for example, and she said it would be a hardship on her students and herself. another has a baby at home and she said that she didn't want to be part of the trial and gave an audible sigh of relief when the judge finally dismissed her. so we're going through this process. it seems like it's slowed down a little bit, but we had four more jurors that we will hear from later today and that could determine whether or not we get more jurors on that jury panel. chuck? >> do they think this will get done this week? will they first finish this jury selection process and then deal with the potential change of proceedings? >> well, in terms of the change of proceedings, the judge said he will, quote, handle it tomorrow. so he will hear those arguments we assume or they will go through that at some point tomorrow. we don't know when that decision will be made. but in terms of when the jury will be seated, this is a process actually moving a little more quickly than we expected. the judge initially scheduled three weeks for this process to take place and we are just officially one full week into jury selection and you have more than half the jury already seated. so it seems like it may be able to wrap up later today but you see just how we don't have -- there have been no jurors seated today. you can see how quickly the pace changes, depending on the circumstances of those individuals jurors. chuck? >> and just -- are we doing two alternates? three more jurors plus two alternates so they need five? >> that's it, yep. it's going to be a panel of 12 jurors and two alternates. so the key number there is 14. right now we're at nine. >> shaquille brewster of nbc news reporting for us from minneapolis. shaq, thank you. up next -- making history. going to speak with the president of the navajo nation, now former congresswoman deb haaland, becomes the first the native american to lead any u.s. cabinet agency. but it's not any agency, it's interior. after the break. -go talk to him. -yeah, no. plus it's not even like he'd be into me or whatever. ♪♪ ♪ this could be ♪ hi. you just moved in, right? i would love to tell you about all the great savings you can get for bundling your renter's and car insurance with progressive. -oh, i was just -- -oh, tammy. i found your retainer in the dryer. new projects means new project managers. -oh, i was just -- -oh, tammy. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a short list of quality candidates from our resume database. claim your seventy five dollar credit, when you post your first job at indeed.com/home. i don't like veggies... what?! ♪ whatever you have at home, knorr sides can turn nutritious veggies into mouthwatering meals. ♪ veggies taste amazing with knorr. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief veggies taste amazing and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews. are you packed yet? 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>> well, i think the concern here with the biden administration is to help the tribes, help the people get the vaccinations they need in indian country, as you said, chuck, we have gotten hit hard. here on the navajo nation, 118 have lost their lives to covid, but 167,000 doses have come to the navajo nation and have been put in the arms of our navajo people. 69,000 right now have received their second dose fully vaccinated, and so with deb being in interior, i am sure a lot of the regulations and policies will be re-evaluated so that we can have economic and infrastructure development. in the most powerful country in the world, chuck, 34% of our navajo people don't have running water and it's because of the lengthy regulations that over see trusts lines, in this case these federal lands, indian lands, and it makes it hard for economic or community development, and i think some of those policies need to be changed and i think deb haaland gives a different perspective there in washington, d.c. using the world view, through the lens of an indigenous person and the difficulties we have had in any type of development. >> you know, i want to talk about the success you've had. your vaccination rate in some ways, you are surpassing many states. >> right. >> i am guessing you are not having -- are you running into vaccine hesitancy, and if you are how are you dealing with it? >> well, right now, chuck, what we are doing is utilizing our way of life teaching. you know, first of all, wearing a mask is not a political statement. wearing a mask is your armour going into battle. we are in a battle with this modern day monster called covid-19, and using our way of life teaching, we have encouraged our native brothers and sisters throughout the country to make sure that we are prepared for the battle and one of those is wearing our mask, and also the armour and the weapons to fight back this virus. i think if when we started to frame it that way many of our navajo people have accepted to take the vaccine, and overall -- over 200,000 doses have come to the navajo nation and 87% of those doses have gone into the arms of our navajo people, so people are still interested. they are looking at the greater good here, not just about themselves but for their family, community and their people. >> navajo nation president, i appreciate you spending a few minutes here with me today. it's nice to get your perspective. thank you, sir. >> thank you, chuck. >> you got it. >> thank you all for being at this hour, and we will be back tomorrow with "meet the press daily," and msnbc coverage will continue with katy tur right after this break. she'll enjoy her dream right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. let me tell you something, she'll enjoy her dream right now. i wouldn't be here if i thought reverse mortgages took advantage of any american senior, or worse, that it was some way to take your home. learn how homeowners are strategically using a reverse mortgage loan to cover expenses, pay for healthcare, preserve your portfolio and so much more. a reverse mortgage loan isn't some kind of trick to take your home. it's a loan, like any other. big difference is how you pay it back. find out how reverse mortgages really work with aag's free, no-obligation reverse mortgage guide. with a reverse mortgage, you can pay whatever you can, when it works for you, or, you can wait, and pay it off in one lump sum when you leave your home. discover the option that's best for you. call today and find out more. i'm proud to be a part of aag, i trust em, i think you can too. here you go, let me help you. hi mr. charles, we made you dinner. ahh, thank you! ready to eat? 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