interesting. and new developments in the insurrection investigation. you'll hear from congresswoman zoe lofgren, who remains steadfast in holding her own colleagues accountable. plus how two people are helping turn arizona into a former covid hotspot as we all hope we're closer to the end of the epidemic. this is "american voices." long awaited relief is officially trickling into bank accounts across america right now. that's not the only benefit from the massive american rescue plan. while the $1,400 checks are huge, there's also a $300 unemployment boost in the bill. and it expands the child tax credit. there's also billions of dollars to pay for vaccines and help schools fund the changes required to ensure student safety. it provides rental assistance and sends funding to local governments. if we stay on track, president biden believes we can return to a sense of normal by the fourth of july. and now, light at the end of the tunnel. the big question turns to what life will look like after the pandemic. will we still wear masks? will we be able to crowd together with our family? what about concerts, what about the kids' soccer games and friday night football and for that matter monday night football? these are questions we're now able to contemplate thanks to a president willing to tackle this crisis. as we move forward, we should remind ourselves to look back at this moment and who did not help this bill become law. in other words, every single republican elected to a seat on capitol hill. it could present the democratic party with the opportunity to brand itself as the party that gets things done. the president and vice president will take that for a test drive next week. by and large americans appear to understand democrats did try to work with their political opponents. pew research find 57% of americans feel the administration is making a good faith effort to work with republicans. 55% say republicans are not making a good faith effort to work with the biden election. a number of republicans are using revisionist history to talk about the relief package which they did not support. gop senator wicker applauded the money set aside for restaurants. but he voted against the bill. it's puzzling why republicans didn't get on board, found that residents of republican-leaning states are more likely to get the biggest stimulus checks. so republicans can frame the bill as a liberal wish list if they want but in the end, will voters know who had their backs when they needed help most? with any now, reverend dr. william barber ii, president of repairs of the breach and the poor people's campaign. sister simone campbell is assistant director for lobby for catholic social justice and the author of "hunger for hope." good to see you both. reverend barber, i'll start with you. the coronavirus crisis has magnified inequalities that have existed for decades. how do we avoid going back to a status quo were poverty was treated as a sidebar issue? >> thank you so much, my dear sister, and my dear sister simone campbell. the pope recently said neo-liberalism and trickle down economics was taking the country back. i know someone who died from how covid hurt the poor and said we need a campaign that 140 million living in poverty before covid, 62 million workers making less than $17 an hour in a country where it takes $20 or more an hour to just have a living wage and 52% or 39% of poor children was wrong, it was caused by an unjust system, and we need policies to change it. this covid relief bill showed that policy creates poverty and policy can change poverty. and what we must do now is make permanent in this bill that's temporary and we must press forward to $15 an hour minimum wage, universal health care, infrastructure development. we can do this. it's not whether or not we have the resources. the issue is not a scarcity of resources. it's a scarcity of will. and we must make sure. now, we're not just celebrating, but we have concentration and commitment on attack the next steps quickly, vastly, and with deep commitment to changing the reality of poverty in this country. >> simone, i want to talk about one of the policies that the reverend just referenced that is temporary but a lot of people want to see made permanent, specifically the expansion of the child tax credit. it was something you advocated for. why was it so important to you personally to see this included in the relief bill? >> well, i'm so grateful for this opportunity to be with reverend barber and to be with you, alicia, to be able to talk about this, because what is urgent in our nation is the struggling of children. children are hungry. we hear a lot about children having to do virtual school. but what guess lost in that process is the fact that low income families have had to struggle to feed their kids at all meals and that there hasn't been school lunches, that the cost, if parents are essential workers, they've had to pay extra costs for childcare. there have been added costs. and the other piece is that the old policies phased in only after the first $2,500 of earnings. and so many low wage workers who work seasonally didn't make it to the $2,500 threshold. what this new law does is historic. it changes the structure so that families receive the money for the child. so it starts $3,600 per year for families that have kids, any child under 6, $3,000 for any child over 6 to 17 this year. it is a structural change that becomes critically important for our children to flourish. and that is the important piece. >> and when you talk about that structural change, i think's important, it can sound very technocratic but even how frequently people are getting these payments, right? it used to be these payments would come annually. reverend, an article in "vanity fair" which talks about republicans adamantly opposing these policies and trying to reframe them to voters is a bad thing? >> they need to get to know jesus. the reality is that is a sad situation this politics. but the republicans we have now are not really the extremists. they've never seen a wage increase they like. they've never seen a tax cut for the wealthy they hate. but what we must do is not so much worry about their rhetoric. we have to push forward. these things need to be made permanent but we also have to say you can't ultimately deal with the children if you don't raise wages for the adults. so we have to have a wage increase. we have to have 15. it was shameful for those eight democrats to block it but now we have to put it back on the table. we have to say that yes, it is good to change the poor children by 50% or at least what they call that level. but there were 39 million poor children before the pandemic. billionaires have made over $1 trillion during the pandemic. structural changes in health care and in education and in wages and in tax credits must all be held together. it's not one solution. it's not one little piece of it. but what we must do is ignore republicans when they say things like that. don't get caught up in that rhetoric, just keep doing the work, just stay committed. we need to celebrate a little bit on the 50-yard line but we need to keep pushing. the mandate is there among the people. but more importantly, it's a moral mandate and it makes economic sense to do this if we lift from the bottom, we lift the entire country. >> sister simone, we can't talk about the economic piece of that without talking about the health crisis that is ongoing in this country. you held a virtual event about how the interfaith community can help overcome what vaccine hesitancy is still out there. what are some of the main things that community faith leaders can do, why is it important for clergy to speak up about this? >> clergies are often the only trusted messengers these days. what we've learned from the university of michigan researchers and yale university school of public health is, they're testing around the country is that if we talk to people about protecting someone they love, about being a protector, and you just had that fabulous piece about the elderly couple, they had been protecting each other by staying away. it's that quality of being a protector, motivates people to both wear a mask and get the vaccine. what people of faith can do, pastors, ministers, any of us of faith, can talk about how important it is to care for our community. and as being a protector, then i know i'll get the vaccine in order to protect you. i'll get the vaccine to protect people i love. and that can make the difference. it's not political. it's the love of community that makes the difference. >> reverend barber, president biden, vice president harris, are kicking off their help is here tour next week to tout the benefits of this relief bill. on the ground level, how do you go about educating people about everything that is in the bill, really connecting the dots for them between the legislation itself and the relief that they can start to expect on the ground? >> one of the things you do is you just tell the truth. we have been having a monday coming up called stand against voter suppression, stand for a moral agenda. i would encourage president biden and vice president harris to do this. tell the truth about the bill but also tell the challenges, there are things that are temporary that end at the end of this year but they need to be made permanent. saying that this bill is motivation for us to do more. it is not really celebrational for us to say, you know, we've done everything. this proves that if you do a little bit, you can change a lot, so what if we do the whole thing? what if we showed this nation there is something deeply wrong for 43% of this country to be living in poverty and low wealth before the pandemic? when i think about where we are in this particular moment, we have such an opportunity. with the narrative shift and then a deep commitment, if we take this bill almost like the 1957 civil rights act and use it to get more, not less, but push more, then what will happen is we will not merely have a temporary train but we will have a transformational change. we can end poverty and low wealth in this country. so i'm saying to tell the truth, celebrate where we can celebrate, but also say to people, we need commitment now, commitment to finish the job, commitment to -- that's what i'm hearing on the ground from poor and low wealth people. and lastly, we must change the poverty measurement. i want to talk about that, maybe come back, because the poverty measure the is 60 years too old and too low. we must make sure when we say we'll move people out of poverty we're not using a measurement that may move people out of official poverty but it does not move them out of desperation, it does not move them out of low wealth. our goal must be poverty and low wealth transformation until everybody has the right to life, liberty, and the very pursuit of happiness. >> all right, reverend barber, you want to come back and talk about that next weekend, it's a date. sister campbell, thank you so much for your time. the man investigating donald trump's taxes is leaving office. what does it mean for the indication he's spent years building against the former president? 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