landmark relief bill. the house gearing up for a vote on the $2 trillion plan. it could get to the president's desk as early as tomorrow morning. that's a big deal. as a matter of calendar, it would beat the sunday deadline for renewing programs for the jobless. biden visited a hardware store that will benefit from this kind of support today, and he contrasted this money and the way he is going to deliver it, the new approach here with discredited trump programs where some of the money went the people who just didn't need it. >> an awful lot of that went to bigger businesses that in fact weren't supposed to qualify. in the last administration fired its inspector general. so a lot of money went to people who shouldn't have gotten help. >> we've got several aspects of this story, but we begin immediately with our experts, former governor of vermont and former presidential candidate and also a doctor howard dean, and "washington post" reporter libby casey. good to see both of you. governor, you understand the intersection of basically governance and health as good as anyone in the country. what do you think of what joe biden's doing here? this bill does obviously more than one thing. he is saying he is confident he's loans will go to the people who need hit the time. >> yeah, there is no institute for honesty and competency in government. and biden has both and his predecessor had neither. so the numbers, the poll numbers are incredible about this. obviously democrats think biden is doing a terrific job. the majority of republicans below a certain income level also think he is doing a really good job. this is a really popular bill, and i think the republicans have made an enormous mistake in attacking it so vigorous will. it's probably going to pass without a single republican vote. and if you don't think that's going to be in every campaign ad in 2022, you've got another thing coming. >> yeah. i mean, that brings us exactly to the other piece of reporting i wanted to share, and libby can weigh in on this. republican members of congress, they lost the votes to stop the bill. they've lost part of the message wars, the governor just reminded us, because their own voters have been backing biden on this issue. now they want to align themselves. >> this is a no holds barred pork barrel spending bill. there is more pork in this than all the barbecue joints in tennessee combined. >> it's pork and it's buying off members of congress just so they can get their liberal wish list using coronavirus pandemic as an excuse. >> this is a liberal wish list of liberal spending, just basically filled with pork. >> now on the size of this plan, it is true that liberals and conservatives and economists all agree that in key measures, this is a big spending bill. the effort to taint it as corrupt pork is something of a new talking point. now fist as fact check, the vast majority of the bill is pandemic spending. that's a nonpartisan fact. the local funding is not the kind of earmarks that are typically associated with pork or wasteful federal spending. but this angle isn't just coming from politicians. here is a media figure with a lot of followers himself from shark tank clashing with a democratic lawmaker on cnbc. >> i want to put up my hand and say i'm a taxpayer. i wish you would have fought harder to take out all the pork, because that's what it is. if enough had done that, you would have represented the american people and the people who are unemployed even better than this. this is so wasteful. >> kevin, that's a false narrative that this is full of a lot of pork. >> libby, debates over the size of government and how much the federal government should be doing are fair game. as noted, some of this language is misleading. your view on what is happening to sort of the message over something that republicans have failed to stop? >> republicans are in a tough spot, ari, because some of the things that are in this bill are things they supported just a couple of months ago under president trump. as we heard, you know, just a few moments ago, from governor dean, there are so many republicans across the country who do support this. and so biden is clearly ahead on the messaging of this bill. some democrats i talked to say this is bipartisan, even though they don't have any votes in the senate, the house, most likely tomorrow because we do see republicans of communities across the country, also one governor in particular that i'm thinking of, the governor of west virginia says he thinks they should go big on this. so they can point to that to say look we do have some republicans on board with this, even if they're not in washington. now there is a key thing here. this is a transformational piece of legislation that hits a lot of things that progressives want. and republicans are going to be upset by that. republicans who are budget hawks, a lot of whom frankly aren't going to run again in the senate after this year have concerns about this philosophically. progressives have been able to get into this things that go hand in hand with what americans are dealing with right now. i covered a small population in a rural state for a long time. and something like energy assistance was important to democrats often. they're getting that in here and saying it's needed because of covid. funding to close the homework gap, making sure that more children have access to the internet, something democrats have been talking about a long time ago, but now americans see how pressing and important that is. so it makes sense in their messaging to put in a covid bill because we all know what it's like trying to work and educate from home, ari. >> yeah, governor dean, it raises the question when we talk about this term "bipartisan" what would you rather have, a couple hundred house members we don't need to pass the ball or by latest polling, over ten million republican voters who say they like what biden is doing right now this week? >> i think we'll get into this later, but trump has really realigned the republican party. trump is essentially an authoritarian. i saw there was an article today that talked about the legislature in idaho, one of the most republican states in the country, is now trying to defund the republican attorney general because they wouldn't sign on to this crackpot suit that the attorney general of texas filed to overturn the election. the republican party is in trouble, because they're only appealing to their extremist base, and all that liberal socialist from all those others you put up there, they got nothing to say. they run up the deficit far, far greater than any democratic president has since franklin roosevelt. so they've got nothing to say. all they can do is wine and moan about liberals and liberals and social irs and socialists and liberals. meanwhile, we're eating their lunch because we're helping their constituency and they're not. >> as noted in the polling, some of their constituency is already noticing, and the checks haven't even in that sense arrived. this brings us to another important but in some ways also rooms story of gop infighting. the republican national committee has some issues with donald trump. now they're throwing some business his way. reports the rnc will move a new retreat to mar-a-lago. but that gesture comes amidst a wider clash over money. trump was so upset the rnc is doing what parties do, fundraising off presidents and the party that he sent a legal demand that the rnc never mention trump in any fundraising with a formal cease and desist request. trump is basically going three three six mafia on his own party, telling them keep my name out your mouth. and that may sound even a touch gangster, but the rnc responded by refusing, telling donald trump they actually have every right to refer to public figures under law. the rnc effectively finishing the same three six mafia line that trump started, telling him you don't know what you're talking about. i bring governor dean back in. everyone knows the passion you have for the great three six mafia group. we don't have to get into all of their lyrics tonight, governor. but i quote them affectionately because trump is trying to talk tough, saying don't ever even mention me for money. they're saying no. and it sort of speaks to the grifterism that's become publicly confessed on his side. he doesn't care about funding the republican party. he doesn't want them to get a dime, governor. >> well, trump is the republican party right now. and a lot of the republicans are incredibly uncomfortable, including whom i strongly suspect four out of the five senators who have announced their retirement. shelby i think would have retired any way. the othes i think would not have. they've got a big problem. the more likely you are to have a primary and lose it. i can't wait to see what happens in ohio which is a conservative leaning right state but not a crackpot state. they're going to have a tremendous primary, and it's going to be incredibly bloody, and i think we got a shot at picking up a senate seat in ohio. you know, trump only cares about himself. and one of the thing the gop has now discovered is he does not care about them, and they do not know what to to be it. >> yeah, libby, this wasn't some far away minor skirmish. it's playing out in public with the cease and desist, and it comes just weeks after donald trump faced the most bipartisan condemnation in an impeachment process ever, and many, many republicans went out of their way to save his bacon there so he at least can run again if he wanted to. and this is the thanks they get politically. >> well, that first speech he gave, he name-checked those republicans who voted to convict him or voted to impeach him. republicans, the rnc have two big problems on their hands beyond branding and marketing and using donald trump's name. it's like donald trump is fundraising on his own and trying to encourage people to send money through him, not to republicans, who, you know, there is intention there about how the money would be used and who controls it. and then of course the question of whether he will run for president again, because that freezes the field. it essentially holds the rnc hostage to his decisions, his timetable, and anyone else who wants to run is beholden to trying to figure out what he is going to try to do next. >> yeah. libby casey, thank you. howard dean returns later in the hour for a special piece we have. right now is our shortest break, 30 seconds. coming up, we are going to speak. we've got a lot of reports, but coming up next, melissa murray, after this. can actually attract pet hair? 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>> well, with the individual who has been charged here, roberto minuta, it's more a passerby or someone you come into contact with at an event. this is someone charged with being part of security detail for roger stone. and roger stone has had very significant ties with the oath keepers, a right-wing militia group that roberto minuto is also associated with. i think again, with minuta within the investigation and the range of prosecutors, you can press him a little more to find out what the links are to roger stone and what stone's involvement might have been on january 6 and from there maybe push even further and go up the chain. >> does it strike you as surprising or brash after everything mr. stone went through facing a major prison sentence, that he only got out of by virtue of his political, personal loyal relationship with the sitting president, that he would be out doing other things that would seem to give him such legal exposure? most people don't get out from under long sentences like he did. >> that's sort of the point of being a fabulist, right? you never know when the gig is up. as you say, roger stone's luck may have worn out at this point. he was very clearly getting a great break when he was pardoned on those seven federal charges of which he was convicted, but that pardon would not go so far as to include whatever might come from an investigation around the events of january 6. he would be completely newly exposed to criminal liability for whatever happened on the 6th. so, again, this just may be the kind of person he thinks he has nine lives, he thinks he can get away with it. but that pardon only goes so far. >> pardon only goes so far. and whatever that treatment he got, it was a lawful pardon, although controversial. he has no expectation of the same kind of sweetheart special loopholes right now with the federal government. so it's really remarkable. professor murray, thank you as always. >> thank you. we have a lot more coming up, including news tonight on what might be the secret to the biden agenda succeeding, and a breakdown on red state democrats. we're going get into why political mass shows something wrong with conventional wisdom about some of the democrats who may stand in biden's way. that's coming up. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious infections and blood clots, sometimes fatal, have occurred... ...as have certain cancers, including lymphoma, and tears in the stomach or intestines, and changes in lab results. your doctor should monitor your bloodwork. tell your doctor about any infections...and if you are or may become pregnant while taking rinvoq. take on ra. talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. rinvoq. make it your mission. if you can't afford your medicine, abbvie may be able to help. dad, it's a video call. if you can't afford your medicine, hold the phone in front of you. how's that? 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emerging as a crucial swing vote for joe biden's agenda in washington. with talk that he could be key not only on this economic relief, like last week's negotiation, but on many issues to come if he keeps holding out his vote from the democratic majority. but some of the conventional wisdom about all of this may be dead wrong. i'm talking here about political math. manchin is from a state, west virginia, that voted against biden by over 30 points. many saw his holdout last week as a political strategy to help him try to hold on to those conservative voters by distinguishing himself from the democratic president. but what if that attack itself is wrong? there are implications for manchin, for the democrats, and a 50-50 senate, perhaps for much of biden's agenda and u.s. policy over the next fewer years. now manchin has been quick to differentiate himself, not just on covid, but on hypotheticals he doesn't even have to answer like not being the 50th democratic vote to fundamentally reform the supreme court, something he got into just days after biden's win. >> i will not be the 50th democrat voting to end that filibuster or to basically stack the court. >> this has become a common manchin move from that covid spending bill to trying to get national attention to show that he is different from biden, from picking what may sound like an obscure clash over blocking new biden infrastructure spending, unless republicans are included. now of course senators can take any position they believe in. that's what they're supposed to do. but if the political idea here is leaning into these contrasts for political gain over the next two-plus years, well, manchin may be on the wrong track politically. recent history shows that one of the keys for a member of congress' reelection is their party president's overall popularity. not just whether they themselves differentiate from the president in their party in their state. and this is something i think everybody remembers. popular presidents, well, they tend to bring their own members on to pretty good rates of reelection. we've seen that in both parties, take midterms from the clinton and bush eras when they did as presidents have ratings above 60%, which boosted their down-ballot party mates. >> the republicans are still in control of congress, but they didn't pick up the kinds of seats that they expected. >> i'm a republican, as you know. this is a good night for democrats. >> the republicans in defying history are going to win the house of representatives with a gain of one to five seats, very much attributed in many people's minds to the tremendous last-minute enthusiasm of president bush as he campaigned around the country. a man with the highest affirmation ratings of any post war president at this point. >> a president who is popular at the time, in that case on the second example bush, maybe all the difference for all those republicans running in the mid interprets if they didn't run away from him. this is a piece of political analysis that may not sound like conventional wisdom today, given what people are betting on with manchin, but it's something that smart, ambitious politicians do get, indeed, someone who back then was just an obscure state senator named barack obama knew exactly how then president bush excelled in the midterms to power. >> my impression was that the president and the white house did an excellent job nationalizing the campaign. and i think you've got to give him credit politically for having done that very effectively. president bush to his credit from a political perspective put his political capital on the line and won. >> obama knew nationalizing the presidents is what matters, if you can nationalize with a high approval rating. obvious, that's key. considered today after this bruising election in the trump era, biden's approval is already upwards of 60%. and that's before the covid bill sends out checks directly to people's mailboxes. so there may be a big lesson here for red state democrats, that breaking with a popular president of your own party can actually hurt you. now there are specific examples that the manchin crowd may want to consider. remember senator ben nelsons also from a red state, a democrat from nebraska. in obama's early years he was manchining before manchin. he was pushing liberal democrats to compromise on aspects of obamacare. he helped spike the public option. he was getting other concessions, and like manchin just last week, nelson was someone who thought making headlines about this would build his luster in his state. at times it dominated coverage in that obamacare right. nelson pushed democrats to make extra concessions for his vote and made himself a central almost mythical player. >> i'm looking at finding solutions that are much more market-based to get rid of the individual mandate. >> i ltz negotiated out in front and was criticized by howard dean and others when i said no public option, no big government-run plan. >> some of your liberal colleagues say you just love this. you love the spotlight. you love the limelight. you love being able to be the guy with the leverage. >> well, i don't think that's accurate at all. >> accurate or not, whatever he was doing did not work politically. nelson's next reelection prospects completely floundered. polls had them in deep trouble ahead of the midterms without reversing the numbers, he dropped out of the race entirely. here is a point from chest komanduri who notes that all politicians might be wanting to think about those examples. it's not about attacking moderate democrats simply for opposing biden, but rather reminding people politically opposing your own president doesn't work in terms of your political prospects. nelson is not the only red state democrat to meet this fate there was arkansas democrat mark pryor. he said obama didn't connect well in arkansas. he went on to lose to tom cotton. a number of red state democrats, including mary landrieu and blanche lincoln have also tried this kind of path, in that case in the obama era. they went on to lose, and they might have lost anyway in tough red terrain, but the lesson for democrats like manchin is repeatedly criticizing and breaking with the president of your own party when it weakens the president may be literally a worst political strategy than trying to have a party and a president so successful that few can argue with the results. now we go into a deep dive on political history. this is a special day here on "the beat." we call it affectionately chai day, with friend of "the beat" who i mentioned, chai komanduri who worked on three presidential campaigns. good to you back, sir. >> yeah, i guess i graduated. i had time and now i have a full day. that's really great. >> that's right. >> odin, thor and chai all have days. >> the only thing is you have to work on this holiday. as i mentioned to viewer, we quote you'd in the piece because this is something you are gesturing at, but that a lot of people around manchin and some of modern washington don't necessarily agree with. what do you think is instructive in the recent history? >> yeah, let me say first at the outset that, you know, if a red state democrat decides to oppose joe biden on principle, that's one thing. but i think we need to dispense with the conventional wisdom that it in any way helps red state democrats to oppose joe biden for political gain. there is absolutely no history that that's the case. one thing i'll say is on what really matters in the midterm or in elections for red state democrats is the overall popularity of their president. it's biden's popularity that matters, not theirs. >> yeah. so you lay it out like that, it sounds straight forward. do you view some of this as strategy or political ego that senators like anyone who has ever used social media start to have the sense that well, more people are paying attention maybe to you, but no, in the big scheme of things, a lot of other stuff is going to matter more. >> yeah, i think that you have to understand that politicians have big egos, and particularly if you're a red state democrat, and you've done an enormous thing, which is to be as a democrat elected in some very rough terrain. your ego is even bigger. and it's very hard sometimes for politicians to realize it's not about me, it's about joe biden. it's about the guy in the white house. and another aspect is for red seat democrats generally to thrive, they need to develop their own brand. you see this all very clearly with ben nelson. he developed a very effective independent brand in new jersey that he maintained for many years. the problem is once barack obama became elected president, all that mattered in nebraska was the obama brand, not the ben nelson brand. so a smarter political tactic generally i would say is to make sure the president of your party is as popular as possible in your state, and that's something that i think would behoove a lot of red state democrats to think about more. >> we mentioned a couple of examples you identify. in recent history, of course, they weren't incumbents, but what is georgia say in playing into your theory here? >> well, georgia is an interesting case. part of what happened there was that donald trump was so unpopular and actually convinced his own people to sit on their hands and stay at home, it actually allowed ossoff and warner -- i'm sorry, yeah, ossoff and warnock to get elected. if you notice what the georgia senators are doing now is they're working behind the scenes. they're not grandstanding. they're not making threats. they're not pointing guns at anybody's head. they're working behind the scenes with the biden administration, with senate democrats, and in some cases even in a bipartisan way to help change legislation. ossoff and warnock understand very clearly that for them to succeed in georgia, joe biden has to succeed in georgia. and you have to do the sorts of things that allow joe biden to succeed in georgia. >> yeah. chai, stay with me, because it is chai day. i want to bring in former vermont governor and dnc chair howard dean, who has a lot of experience on these kind of politics. governor, you may have heard your name. the viewers may have heard it. we're going to play just that little part because, you know, history is interesting. and then senator nelson, take a listen. >> i also negotiated out in front and was criticized by howard dean and others when i said no public option, no big government-run plan, said no to several other things outfront. so i think it's hollow criticism. >> governor dean, what are your thoughts on the lessons of some of these senators who are in obviously tougher states and chai's view of this? >> yes, this is a fascinating discussion, and i think you're both right about this. if the president doesn't succeed, you're not going to succeed. the most interesting case that i think of all the time is sharon brown. how did sharon brown win in a state where we lost by ten points? sharon brown has his own brand, and the brand is not oh, i'm more conservative and i'm one of you. his brand is i'm going to stand up for what i think is right and say what i think. that is the most valuable commodity in politics, and there are not very many senators or congress people that have it because they're afraid. >> i think you guys are right. if biden doesn't do well, the local folks aren't going to do well. but the best insurance policy you can have is to have your own persona and stand up for what you think is right, speak truth to power. and believe me, i had a lot of conservatives who used to vote for me all the time. somebody asked me do you like trump voters? i had so think for a minute and yeah, they all used to vote for me. not because i agreed with them that is so refreshing. i think you guys are absolutely on the money with this. >> yeah, and another politician -- >> go ahead. >> no, another politician i think that we can highlight in addition to sherrod brown is jon tester. jon tester is in a very difficult state, montana. if you notice, you never see him grandstanding or giving speeches or giving ultimatums to joe biden or previously to barack obama. he works behind the scenes, however, very effectively to help make sure that montana stays in favor of jon tester and stays nominally in favor of joe biden and barack obama. that the presidents in the oval office don't do things that actually put him too much in peril. i would call it -- i hate to say it -- go ahead. >> no, please. >> i hate to say it, but i was going to say i don't want to tester shame red state democrats, but i think he is a great model to follow where he understands that, you know, joe biden must succeed future him to succeed. >> well, let me bring in, governor, on a final point. there must be a difference between a politician who says, look, i've always stood for x, and now i've got to still stand for it regardless of my party. and some of what we flagged the manchins doing where he says well, the position i represent is i only support building this bridge if a random republican joins me, which i don't think most voters relate to as a real thing. it sounds bizarre, and also isn't a principle. it's just waiting for them to join whu you've when none of them are joining the covid bill. does that also play into this, governor, if the so-called objections don't feel real? >> that's really what i was talking about. you have to have to be a genuine person who is standing up for his own principles. there is no shame in compromising, but voters pick up real quickly when you say who you not are. >> most politicians in washington underestimate voters enormously. tester gets away with it because montana's believed that he is for them and he is one of them and he doesn't grandstand, and that's why sherrod gets away with it. there are a few other senators that are out of step with their constituencies. if you're out of step, you're going to lose. if you stand up for who you are and represent your people before you represent all your ambition, people value that because it's not common. >> really interesting. howard dean, thank you for joining us in more than one spot tonight. chai dom doorry, thank you for the political history. up ahead, my political political comments tonight about your right to vote and why president carter is now speaking out. a pair of jeans that fit just right ♪ ♪ and the radio up ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. what do we want for dinner? burger... i want a sugar cookie... wait... i want a bucket of chicken... i want... ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 14 day system. with a painless, onesecond scan i can check my glucose 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how you would be able to personally participate secondguessing a decision that a police officer made in the course of their duties when you've expressed that you strongly disagree that one should even do that. >> the defense, meanwhile, honed in using this process again. they're asking questions, but they're also getting their shot at some of the people that will be jurors. and the defense honed in on how much information had been exposed before this all began. >> it's fair to say you formed an opinion of what happened here in this case? you used the word "killed" in it to describe the death of george floyd. do you think that that -- the use of that word is demonstrative of your opinion about this case? what tools would you use to determine which person is telling the more accurate story? >> we're joined now by ben well-regarded, well known civil rights attorney and representing george floyd's family. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me, ari. >> it's very early, but what, if anything, did you glean from the jury selection thus far? >> that the prosecutor and the defense lawyers are going to do a very thorough job at trying to get their jury. we learned in law school, very semple, ari, if you have your jury it really doesn't matter what the facts are. so both sides are trying to get a jury that comes in more favorable to them from the onset. >> what do you say to people who look at this and think, and perhaps in contrast to many other cases the movement that grew around this and the pressure may have created more people who are more sympathetic or more relate to mr. floyd's situation as opposed to typical cases where you and i both know a lot of times you find a jury pool that says, well, they're going to go with the cops until they hear otherwise. do you think this might be a more favorable pool or do other things still cancel that out? >> well, i never, ever take for granted in america that a police officer will be convicted for killing a black person unjustly. history has told us that more often than not that police officers are given the benefit of the doubt and the benefit of consideration against a person of color and so in this situation, ari, my hope is that the jurors will be fair and impartial and they will look at george floyd as a human being, something that derek chauvin did not do on may 25, 2020, because if he had he would not have tortured him to death by keeping his knee on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. >> yeah. yeah. this is also tough because, as you just reminded everyone, this has to be about justice and finding the fact, but everyone also knows it exists within this wider climate and this wider movement and that also did come up, too. i want viewers to see because this is the first windows we're getting into the trial about those issued and so-called related movements were with jurors. let's take a listen. >> i don't love the black lives matter organization. i do support the movement. i support that the message that every life should matter equally. i don't believe that the organization black lives matter necessarily stands for that. i do think that the phrase and the movement stand for that. >> you kind of see blue lives matter as a counter to the black lives matter. can you expand on that? >> in my point is all lives should matter equally and that should include police. >> what did you think of some of those exchanges? because ultimately justice here means not a dissertation on these different political injustice movements, but a determination over whether the force was legal or illegal. did the officer have the right to use that level of force or was it illegal and excessive? >> exactly, ari. where we asked american citizens who do a great service on serving on jury duty is to be fair, impartial and to be honest. if you have certain opinions we need to know to give a best jury to give a fair and impartial decision to both parties. it is very important that they will agree to follow the law and the judge will instruct them based on the evidence that is presented into the court and we have to make certain that they pay attention to the facts and that they don't give weight to the character assassination that defense lawyers are going to try to do on george floyd because that's the playbook, ari, whether it's trayvon martin or michael brown or 12-year-old tamir rice or eric gardner, any number of people killed by the police which is if we can distract them by attacking their character then maybe they won't pay attention to the facts, but 50 million people saw the video of george floyd being killed and we believe that they will focus on the facts. >> ben crump, you have been with the family. you've worked on these issues for a long time including the inception of this incident and then case. i appreciate you coming on the beat. i'm sure we'll be coming back to you, sir, when your time allows. >> thank you so much for having me, ari. >> yes, sir. thank you, ben crump. coming up, there is a friend of the beat that's going to give us an important message. i'm talking about carole king on vaccines. g about carolein kg on vaccines alright, okay. how's that? 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