Transcripts For MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell 20240711

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Surge, as usual, you have held us up as the number tworated show on msnbc, entirely because you say good evening to me every night. Thats it. Thats the whole reason im sitting here at number two. Lawrence, if you want to kill me on television, you could probably come up with a more direct way to do it. If you just want to kill me by blushing, this is going to be a painful thing for all of us. The thing i do have to check, though, is im not sure if below deck was running new episodes during this last ratings period. So, all of cable news, if it includes below deck, really is a miracle. Its an amazing achievement. We all learn to be humble in our own ways, lawrence. Thank you very much. Im about to leave now. Let us never speak of this again. Goodbye. Thank you, rachel. Well, we have good news tonight, and i mean much bigger good news than msnbc ratings. We have great news. We have the best news that we have delivered to you about the covid19 pandemic since we began covering it a year ago. You are going to be vaccinated. Youre going to be vaccinated sooner than you think. If you havent been vaccinated already, you and every adult you know will be vaccinated in the next few months. President biden has arranged for the delivery of enough vaccine by may to vaccinate every adult in america. Your lives are going to change for the better. Youre going to be safer. Your vaccination is on the way. We will cover the details of that good news later in this hour. We begin tonight with fbi director christopher wray, who went to the Senate Judiciary hearing today to kill a republican lie. At a recent hearing, republicans tried to float the lie that the people who attacked the capitol on january 6th, the people who threatened to kill mike pence and did kill a Capitol Police officer, were not trump supporters. The fbi director would have none of that today. Based on your investigation so far, do you have any evidence that the Capitol Attack was organized by, quote, fake trump protesters . We have not seen evidence of that at this stage, certainly. You have said there have been i think 280 arrests so far. Has there so far been any evidence that the january 6th riot here, the insurrection, was organized by people simply posing as supporters of president trumps . We have not seen any evidence of that certainly at this is there any evidence at all it was organized or planned or carried out by groups like antifa or black lives matter . We have not seen any evidence to that effect thus far in the investigation. And is there any doubt that people who stormed the capitol included White Supremacists and other far right extremist organizations . Theres no doubt that it included individuals that we would call militia violent extremists. And then in some instances, individuals that were racially motivated violent extremists who advocate for the superiority of the white race. But the militia violent extremist is probably at the moment trending the biggest bucket, if you will. The recent Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing ron johnson described the attackers of the capitol as peaceloving tourists of government who were provoked by the Capitol Polices use of harsh crowd control tactics. The fbi director squashed that bit of insanity this way. I was appalled, like you, at the violence and destruction that we saw that day. I was appalled that you, our countrys elected leaders, were victimized right here in these very halls. That attack, that siege, was criminal behavior plain and simple and its behavior that we, the fbi, view as domestic terrorism. Its got no place in our democracy, and tolerating it would make a mockery of our nations rule of law. The Senate Judiciary committee is the home of the two senators most responsible for the attack on the capitol on january 6th. Senator hawley was the first member of the senate to say that he would object to the counting of the electoral votes on january 6th. And as soon as senator hawley announced that he would do that, everyone in the senate knew that senator cruz would try to catch up to senator hawley in pandering to the trump vote. Senator cruz not only joined senator hawley, he helped round up other senators to object to the counting of electoral votes. Without Senate Objections to the counting of electoral votes, the process would have moved along at high speed as it usually does, and the electoral votes might have been officially counted before the invasion of the capitol. Senator hawley and senator cruz gave the attackers of the capitol the time they needed to succeed in temporarily stopping the counting of the electoral votes. And on the day when the Biden Administration withdrew Neera Tandens nomination because of mean tweets that were true, senator hawley and senator cruz still have their jobs. Senator hawley spent his Question Time with the director of the fbi in effect working as Defense Counsel for the invaders of the capitol and trying to suppress the governments evidence against them. What about the Cell Tower Data that was reportedly scooped up by the bureau on the day during, in fact, while the riot was under way . Whats happened whats happened to that data . Do you still have it . Has it been retained . Do you have plans to retain it . How are we going to know what you are doing with it, and how are we going to evaluate the bureaus conduct if we dont know what authorities youre invoking, what precisely youre doing, what youre retaining . The fbi director, of course, refused to answer any of those questions about specific evidence gathering in an ongoing federal criminal investigation, which now includes conspiracy charges against some defendants. Other republicans steered as far away from the invasion of the capitol as they possibly could and pretended to time travel back to the first year of the trump presidency. Do you still use methods like gang tattoos to identify who belongs to ms13 . Our first guest tonight, senator Amy Klobuchar, pressed the fbi director on a memo sent from the norfolk, virginia, fbi office saying there could be extreme violence at the trump event on january 6th. We did communicate that information in a timely fashion to the Capitol Police and mpd in not one, not two, but three different ways. Do you think its enough to just send an email . Its more than just an email, right . First off the email itself went to i think there are maybe as many as five Capitol Police Task Force Officers on the joint task force, and the whole point of the joint task force is for the chosen representatives of the Partner Agency to be there in the loop real time so that everybodys got the same information, so that each agency can use that information to do what it needs to do. But in addition to the email so belt and suspenders it was verbally briefed. And i dont its hard sometimes for members of congress to picture what these command post briefings are like. But picture the command post we had stood up at the Washington Field office, representatives of all these agencies in the room, people are coming up to the microphone one at a time saying okay, now were tracking this. Were seeing this. We dont know if its real or not and heres what were seeing. And everybody is taking notes. And the whole idea is theyre supposed to go back and pass it up theit chain of command. And third, in addition to that, it was put into the the Law Enforcement portal. Having said that, i do not consider what happened on january 6th to be an acceptable result. And thats why were looking so hard at figuring out how can the process be improved. Leading off our discussion tonight is democratic senator Amy Klobuchar of minnesota. Shes a member of the Senate Judiciary committee. Senator, are you satisfied with the fbi directors answer to your line of inquiry about the intelligence available to them before the attack on the capitol . I think he was straightforward. My issue and he admitted this. You know, they wish they could have done more. They wish that they could have infiltrated the proud boys in some way and had the information that you know was there given that theyve now arrested 20 members of that group. And so what i appreciated about his testimony today was how clear he was in, as you point out, defeating this crazy theory that somehow antifa was in charge of this invasion or, as ron johnson said, this was a festive event. And all of these things i think he was very good about making clear this was a coordinated attack, which when senator peters and i held our hearing last week with Senator Portman and blunt, that we heard the same thing from those that were running the Capitol Police at the time and the sergeant at arms, coordinated attack run by white supremacist groups, extremists. And i think its really important for people to understand that because these guys in the Senate Hawley and cruz and ron johnson are still spewing misinformation. And that is not what we need right now. We want to fix this and make sure we do the right thing by getting the police chief and everyone on board here so that this never happens again. We cant have a bunch of lies out there. And i thought the fbi director was very good about disposing of those very clearly. Senator, what is it like to have senator hawley across the room from you on a day like today, in a hearing like this when he is the senator who created the opportunity . And he created the opportunity by declaring that he was going to challenge the count of the electoral votes days before the count. It gave people it gave the people who attacked the capitol plenty of time to calculate how much time the process would be slowed down by senator hawleys objections and how much time they would have to pull off what ultimately became clearly, for some of them at least, a plot to attack the capitol. I just keep thinking of those words, have you no shame . Have you no humbleness about this when you think about the fact that so many of them were spouting these theories . We were taking them on in the senate chamber, and then literally minutes after i took on senator cruz and used those words, its a republic if we can have it, and pointed out that his misinformation and what he was saying and the lies that he was saying were actually contributing to people believing this, the capitol was breached. So thats what i keep thinking. On the other hand, i think something else, lawrence. And that is that there are people, and were going to have a hearing again tomorrow, who want to get to bottom of this. Why in the world were there not plans made from the Capitol Police to have the chief, to have the National Guard there ready to go when given the intelligence that they knew by friday and additional intelligence the day before . When that call was made and this is key when we were going to have the head of the washington, d. C. , National Guard at this hearing tomorrow, when he was on the Phone Pleading to get the help and to get the authority to be able to go over and help out at the capitol at 2 30, why did they wait until two hours later to give them the authority from the Defense Department while we were all we were in the middle of it, but Everyone Else was watching it on tv as these people were breaking through glass, carrying spears and poles, handcuffs, weapons, and pinning Police Officers who were shrieking between doors. Why why was that authorization not given right away . So, those are just a flavor of some of the questions were going to ask. Thats going to be tomorrow. One more question about todays hearing. When senator hawley, in the manner of a Criminal Defense Attorney was questioning the fbi director about evidence collection and questioning him in a way that seemed to be objecting to certain forms of evidence collection in this case, some people had to wonder, is senator Hawley Afraid of just how efficient the evidence collection might be and what it might find out about him . I dont know why you would pick this particular hearing to do that when, in fact, everyone is at least mouthing the words that they want to have the people prosecuted. And the fbi has made over hundreds of arrests. Theyve got hundreds of thousands of tips. These are major investigations. The first one was filed just monday in Washington State against one of the leaders of the proud boys in which they actually said in the multiple Page Indictment that, in fact, this was a coordinated effort. So theres more to come, and i would be much more interested in pushing them to keep gathering evidence while we dont even have an Attorney General in place yet. They are doing this. So i think you certainly dont want to pull them back when were trying to solve crimes that resulted, by the way, in deaths. Senator Amy Klobuchar, thank you very much for leading us off tonight. Really appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And joining our discussion, chuck rosenberg, former u. S. Attorney for the Eastern District of virginia, host of the podcast the oath. Chuck, with your experience serving with the fbi as you did, what did you make of the directors answer to senator klobuchar about the handling of that intelligence before january 6th . You know, i wasnt surprised by it, lawrence. He talked about the intelligence in three ways. One, you collect stuff. Two, you analyze stuff. And three, you disseminate stuff. And the problem is in that middle piece. How good a job are you doing of analyzing the stuff . I mean, we share almost everything in a post9 11 world. Nobody wants to get caught standing when the music stops. So the sharing isnt the problem. And chris wray, smart guy, honorable guy, good fbi director, talked about the fact that the report was shared. But heres the problem, when you receive Something Like that, how do you know that thats the thing that you have to focus on . How do you know that thats the thing that really, really matters . I mean, in retrospect, in hindsight its blindingly obvious. But if youre sharing everything, and as chris said today, this was an unverified report. How do you know at that time that thats the thing that really matters . The way i would do it, i would add a fourth thing. And lawrence, im sure you do this too. If youre sending an email to somebody and its really important and you dont want it to get lost, might you not call them and say, hey, im going to email you later today. I really need you to focus on this thing, read it, and call me when youre done. If youre really concerned about information youre sending and you dont want it to get lost, i think you have to go a step further. Merely posting it on a Law Enforcement portal or sending an email doesnt quite get the mail. Theyre inundated with stuff and thats the difficulty. And chuck, to this evidence collecting question, series of questions that senator hawley was asking, in my experience watching congressional hearings, i have never seen questions of either the Attorney General or fbi director or anyone involved in federal Law Enforcement about how theyre collecting evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation that includes charges of conspiracy. Ive never seen questions like that until the trump era when republicans started to ask them about investigations of donald trump. And now, as we saw today, investigations of trump supporters. Thats right. And by the way senator hawley made it sound as if the fbi was doing something sinister, using a word like geolocating. Gosh, thats got to be bad, right, lawrence, if youre geolocating. Lets set the record straight here. If the fbi is collecting information, theyre doing it in lots of different ways, all of which are lawful. It might be through a search warrant. Authorized by a judge based upon a showing of probable cause. It could be open source information, something that you or i or anybody else including an fbi agent could find in a Social Media Platform or on the web. It could be through an administrative subpoena or a National Security letter. There are so many different ways to get information, including information from cell towers, what senator hawley referred to as geolocating. As long as theyre doing it lawfully, by god, dont we want them to do that in a case this serious, in an investigation this widespread . So i share your curiosity as to why this became a topic of interest for these senators, but i can assure you, having worked there and my assurance isnt enough, but i can assure you that when theyre gathering stuff, theyre doing it lawfully. And thats what we ought to care about as citizens. Chuck, once again your experience working with the fbi has been invaluable to us. Thank you for joining us tonight. My pleasure. Thank you. Coming up, today a republican lawyer admitted on the record in the United States Supreme Court that Republicans Cannot win elections if we count every vote cast by every legally registered voter. Neal katyal will join us next. G hey limu [ squawks ] how great is it that we get to tell everybody how Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . I mean it. Oh, sorry. [ laughter ] woops [ laughter ] good evening meow nope. Oh. What . Im an emu ah ha ha. No, buddy buddy, its a filter only pay for what you need. 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A judge in a lower court that heard the case said minority voters were almost twice as likely to vote in the wrong precinct than white voters because of, vote, frequent changes in Polling Locations, confusing placement of Polling Locations and high rates of mobility. Justice Amy Coney Barrett asked the lawyer why they would want to throw out legitimate ballots just because they were cast in the wrong precinct. He all but said we have to throw out ballots on technicalities in order to win. Whats the interest of the arizona rnc here in keeping, say, the out of Precinct Voter ballot disqualification rules on the books . Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats. Politics in a zero sum game. Joining us now, neal katyal, former acting u. S. Solicitor general and a msnbc legal contributor. Neal, there you have it. You could listen to Supreme Court arguments for a very, very long time and not have someone admit guilt so clearly. Yeah, lawrence. I mean, the fundamental question that has to be asked about the Republican Party which this lawyer represents is, why is this party so afraid of voters . Even 15 years ago republicans werent this scared. The Voting Rights act passed in 2006 unanimously in the senate. 980. Now you have a party when theyre not pushing gerrymandering and the big lie theyre pushing bill after bill to try and restrict people from voting. More than 100 bills, lawrence, have been introduced just since november. I just really wish republicans brought the same energy to fighting the coronavirus as they do to depriving people the right to vote. Lets listen to what Justice Sonia sotomayor said today about denial of the right to vote. If you just cant vote for those reasons and your vote is not being counted, youve been denied the right to vote, havent you . I dont think anyone would say youve been denied a due process right to a hearing. This is not a due process this is not a due process claim. Im trying to get a distinction between denial well, no, youre denied something if youre not given the right to vote because or results in your denial from circumstances that the state could remedy easily. Neal, denial of the right to vote to people who are legally registered to vote is what these laws are all about. 100 , lawrence. And congress in 1965 passed the Voting Rights act to deal with this in two different ways. One was to say any bill that passes into law in one of the states that discriminated in the past couldnt get through, couldnt take effect, unless the Justice Department or a court said it didnt discriminate. That piece of the law was struck down in 2013 by the Supreme Court in a 54 decision. That was a thing that really protected us. Then there was another part, section 2, which allows you to sue after the election, basically, for deprivation of the right to vote. And thats what the issue was in todays hearing. I think youve just heard the lawyer for the republicans basically say, you know, this law should basically have no teeth to it. And that ran into hot water from even the conservatives on the court. I think everyone acknowledged that what the republicans were saying was contrary to the plain text of the law. He had a better argument when it comes to these specific arizona laws. So, you know, he may win the individual case at hand, but what he was doing was really going for broke and trying to nullify the Voting Rights act, and that didnt go over so well with the court. We see in our time Stacey Abrams today carrying on the work of vernon jordan, of medgar evers. And we had reason to believe back when the Voting Rights act was first passed that so much of the work had this was an achievement. This was done. The concept of reversal from that was inconceivable at the time. And you know, lawrence, theres one name you didnt mention and im sure it was in the front of your mind as well. Thats john lewis. Right now pending in congress is the john lewis Voting Rights act which would create a new preclearance regime, the regime i was telling you about that the Supreme Court got rid of in 2013. And, darn it, we need it. This was something that republicans and democrats united hand in hand i mean james sensenbrenner, very republican member from wisconsin, was the leader of this. And, you know, we have to get back to that and to understand that theres nothing more important to an american than the right to vote. And right now its being deprived. And that law has to be passed regardless of what happens in the Supreme Court case. Neal katyal, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, another day of complete silence from the governor of new york, who will now be the subject of a Sexual Harassment investigation by new yorks Attorney General. Thats next. 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The new accusation last night was from a third woman who met the governor at a wedding in 2019. Anna ruch said the governor touched her back and held her face without permission and asked if he could kiss her. He said, can i kiss you . She said, i felt so uncomfortable and embarrassed when really he is the one who should have been embarrassed. A friend captured the exchange. A serious of photographs were taken on ms. Ruchs cell phone. Shaken, ms. Ruch said she later had to ask a friend if mr. Cuomos lips had made contact with her face. The governor had kissed her cheek, she was told. While the governor remained silent again today, prominent members of new yorks Congressional Delegation Cannot escape questions about the governor. Last night a member of your caucus called on Governor Cuomo allegations of Sexual Harassment, what do you agree should happen . I issued a statement on this issue and made clear these allegations are very serious against Governor Cuomo, made by serious individuals and deserve a serious and independent investigation. Now that the Attorney General has taken over the investigation, it will be fully independent and thorough. And i await the results of that investigation. I associate myself with the gentleman. If Governor Cuomo steps aside during the Attorney Generals investigation, then Lieutenant Governor kathy hochul would be the acting governor. Over the weekend, kathy hochul issued this statement. Everyone deserves to have their voice heard and taken seriously. I support an independent review. Joining us now is matt flegenheimer, politics reporter for the New York Times who was the coauthor of last nights Breaking News report by the New York Times on the governors situation. Matt, the new york state democratic legislature, both bodies of the legislature controlled by the democrats, increasing calls for the governor to resign from the democrats in the legislature, more democrats actually than republicans, asking the governor to resign. Yeah, youre seeing from the progressive wing of that legislature folks who have had issues with Governor Cuomo in the past, in recent weeks over his handling of the nursing home during covid, but escalating calls as the accusations have come in. Weve heard some from republicans as well, but the Progressive Side of the left. But theres also we should say many, many folks both in the congressional delegation, the two senators from new york, u. S. Senators, and some members of the legislature who have not said that, sort of echoed the line that weve heard from the Governors Office that lets see how this investigation plays out. Some allies have pushed this as well, lets let the facts come out as they will and not move in the direction of a sort of immediate resignation that some people are calling for already. And matt, i want to be fair to the governor in what his response to this has been. And just sequentially Lindsey Boylan was the first public complainant against the governor. She wrote a piece online describing what happened to her, saying that the governor kissed her against her will. The governor denied that and he denied everything in lindsey boylens report in its entirety, i believe. But then Charlotte Bennett was the next story to emerge in reporting in the New York Times. The governor did not deny any of that and he has not denied any of what you reported about what anna ruch has said. Is that correct, he just denied the first report. Thats correct. Then after the second report he issued a general kind of apology but not a denial and no denial or apology after anna ruchs report. Thats right. The office has gone through a number of statements since Saturday Night which was the report from Charlotte Bennett, her account of being sexually harassed, a former executive assistant to him in the Governors Office. And she has not had her account contested at all really by the governor. You did mention the statement he put out on sunday which was sort of a general apology if, as he put it, any sort of unwanted flirtation i should say was misinterpreted as unwanted flirtation. Thats something that a lot of people on the Progressive Side of the legislature and others state saw as wholly insufficient from Governor Cuomo and not the sort of apology they wanted to hear. Is there any indication from the Governors Office when you will hear from him again and when the public will hear from him again . As you mentioned, its you know, this is not the Governor Cuomo that new yorkers are accustomed to seeing. He is somebody who has had a commanding presence, a ubiquity, being out particularly if there was an expectation with the anniversary of covid, the oneyear anniversary, that given his stature in that crisis and the democratic stardom from handling that crisis, there would be a lot of Public Events marking the year and sort of having him out front. The contrast to, you know, public statements being issued by his office about this policy or that over the last couple of days but no public appearances by him in person has been notable and quite staggering. Matt, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And coming up, President Biden delivered the best news that we have heard since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. You are going to get vaccinated within a few months. You are going to get your life back. Thats next. If you need the key to fresh laundry try gain flings. 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This was a president ial promise to deliver the hundred doses of vaccine in the first 100 days, the Biden Harris Administration is overdelivering on that. And now they are delivering vaccine faster in total for the full Adult Population of the country faster than planned. Thats right. Underpromise, and overdeliver. Thats what the Biden Administration has been doing. And weve now reached the point finally where just anecdotally, but i think the data bears it out, vaccines are just getting out. Theyre coming out more smoothly, the process is running more smoothly. The 65 and overs most places either have had their full twoshot vaccination, or oneshot, or have appointments. Some states are starting to move to lower categories on the priority list. It is happening. And it is, you know, its got to be politically good for President Biden. On the other hand, i think the governors of texas and mississippi think what theyre doing, which is irresponsible, and could set us back, is politically advantageous to them. Because they think what is popular with republicans right now, aside from donald trump, is being irresponsible on covid, and opening things up. And dissing the scientists. And thats what theyre doing. So, dr. Davidson, we all now know that were going to get the vaccine. We, the Adult Population of the United States. Theyre continuing testing on the younger than adult age kids, teenagers and children. Theyre still testing for pregnant women, for example. But given that we are going to get all teachers vaccinated, thats no longer a controversial question, were going to get the entire Adult Population vaccinated, where do you think well be this summer in dealing with covid19 . I think the possibilities are amazing. I think a lot of it depends on what we do as were ramping up getting these vaccines produced. We still have to get them into arms. We need the American Rescue plan to be passed, we need money for states. The Michigan Legislature holding up 5 billion in funds, and states like texas and mississippi need to not relax the restrictions. The more cases, the more variants, the more chances one of them can evade or sidestep the vaccine. Its tough for all of us, but if we all Work Together, this is enormous. Its huge. And you can feel it, people coming in the e. R. Saying that they got their shot. I was running through my neighborhood, and a neighbor yelled out and said, im getting my shot tomorrow. We just have to hold tight for a few more months, we can get there. Gene, i think we all see a lot of Exclamation Points when we get texts from people who just got an appointment for a vaccine. And gene, the doctor makes a good point. The Biden Administration has done everything they can to get the vaccine itself produced. And ready. But the biden covid relief bill contains necessary provisions for getting these vaccines injected, getting them delivered into peoples arms. Theres all sorts of funding in there to get that done. Youre right. There is, lawrence. And also all sorts of funding for a lot of other necessary things. So just pass it. Democrats just need to pass it. And it would be great if some republicans could be brought onboard. But it needs to pass. And what is in that bill is not only, not only necessary, but popular. And i think its, you know, a political plus for democrats just to do it through reconciliation, only with democratic votes plus Kamala Harris in the senate if you need to. But get it done. Thats the most important thing. And i think theyre determined to do that. It sounds like that is the way its going to go. Lets listen to what the Vice President had to say to House Democrats today. We continue to remind the American People of how important it is to mask up, yes, real leaders agree, people still need to mask up. And stay distanced. And i guess the point that im making on that, given the news that we heard today, you as National Leaders represent your constituents in your district, but you also represent the country. Doctor, theres such a striking difference between democrats and republicans on this. Democrats like the Vice President , who is part of delivering the vaccine to people that is going to save their lives, is still telling them to mask up. And republican governors, they seem to believe that the political profit for them, the First Political profit they can get is by being the first person to tell people to take their masks off. Yeah. We just need to get the politics out of this. We have played this game before, all last year. And half a Million People are now dead from this. So, you know, weve got to get these folks away from these shortterm political wins, where they think that will make their constituents happy. And they have to listen to the science. If a Cancer Patient is told their scans look good, they dont rip the iv out and run out of the hospital, they stay for the treatment and get it done. This is what we have to do. I just hope the governors come around, and maybe theyll get some calls from the other governors or the president and urge them to do what is right. Doctor go ahead, gene. Go ahead. Lawrence, i just wanted to point out. Texas is the second most populous state in the nation. What happens in texas does not stay in texas. Cannot possibly stay in texas. So it does affect the rest of us who are trying to do the right thing. Very good point. Im glad you got that in there. Thank you both for joining us tonight. That is tonights last word. And i want to join rachel to say thank you for making msnbc the most watched network in all of cable tv, and the mostwatched 11 00 p. M. Cable news show, The 11th Hour with Brian Williams starts right now. Good evening once again. Day 42 of the Biden Administration. It brought the announcement of a big advance, having to do with the largest and most urgent issue facing this president and our country. Earlier tonight, the president announced that vaccines would be available for all americans even earlier than he had first promised. Something that could save countless american lives. Were now on track to have enough Vaccine Supply for every adult in america by the end of may. The Prior Administration had contracted for not nearly enough vaccine to cover adults in america. We rectified that. About three weeks ago, we were

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