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Adult will have access. We may not have a vaccinator to put in our arms, but the supply will exist by the end of may for every american to be vaccinated. And just to start to think of not being scared all the time. And i think as its gone on, im sure you feel that way. Its not just scared of getting sick, and ive done plenty of obituaries for moms younger than me, much younger than me. Its the scare of having it and passing to someone vulnerable. A big weight comes off hen my parents were vaccinated and their friends. To think we could all have vaccine by the end of may, its an american moment. It defies politics. Yeah, its bigger than politics. Its about governance in the best sense, which is government being able to work, and as you say, people who thought this through, and weve all been dealing with it in different ways, the collective responsibility we have, which we take seriously. But having that lifted a little bit is also huge. What are you going to do . What do row think youre going to do in the post vaccinated times . Whats the first thing youre going to do . What do you miss most . Concerts. I cant wait to be out at big, big concerts. I remember when jazz fest in new orleans got obviously suspended last goaround. And so those kind of things, the festival things, just outside all day hearing different bands. Thats what i want. What about you . I want to go to an nba game. Im a Big Warriors Fan and ill go to an nba game. The season might not pan out that way, but ill go to a crowded Baseball Game instead. Okay. This is nice. Nicolle, always good to see you. Im sorry. Thinking. Welcome to the beat. I am ari melber. We are covering several stories. We have a Biden White House Covid Adviser on this progress they have on the vaccine. So were going get to that tonight. But we begin with the top story. The first Public Comments from the fbi chief on the insurrection, the invasion by maga crowd that was bent on trying to overthrow the election. Director wray condemning the attack and calling the riot domestic terrorism. That attack, that siege was criminal behavior plain and simple. And its behavior that we, the fbi view as domestic terrorism. Weve identified hundreds of suspects and opened hundreds of investigations in all but one of our 56 Field Offices. Weve already more than 270 individuals to date, a large and growing number of the people that we have arrested so far in connection with the 6th are what we call militia extremism. A number of the social Media Companies in connection with the 6th. A top Law Enforcement there saying the fbi formally views those maga rioters, those Trump Supporters who breached the capitol who wanted to kill officials, the fbi views them as terrorists. Wray went on the say that parts of the riot were planned and coordinated and debunked a range of right wing claims that were trying to deflect or minimize blame for the riot. We have several other important pieces of. This i want to bring in our experts immediately. Malcolm nance, Juanita Tolliver and Jason Johnson, host of the Podcast A Word with jays johnson. That was the most significant thing said today, because it changed the entire dynamic of what people in my field in counterterrorism were thinking. We were thinking this is insurrection. That is not terrorism. Its a form of Civil Disobedience designed to overthrow a government. They have determined that there is an element of conspiracy in there that rises this to an organized act against the united states, or terrorism. Very significant. Very important when you lay it out like that. And as well, there can be interlocking issue, right . There can be people who showed up to the mall because they wanted to hear someone talk. Thats some of them. There could be people who wanted to do political terror violence, people who want to do white hate supremacy violence, people who wanted to do insurrection, people who wanted to do the full bore conspiracy terrorism. I want to show, as i mentioned, some of the key parts. Ray was discussing this hearing about how extremists coordinate online and it can be hard to figure out what the biggest threats are and what may not be. It used to be that if some angry, commented guy living in moms basement not that there is anything wrong with that in one part of the country is now able to communicate with a similarly angry guy in grandmas attic in another part of the country and they get each other spun up now, the amount of angry, hateful, unspeakable, combative violent rhetoric even on social media exceeds what anybody in their worst imagination is out there. Juanita, your thoughts on that malcolm is our intel expert, but this is the intersection of intel and the real world. Nothing new about hate in america, but obviously networked hate is a larger challenge, according to the fbi director, juanita. Thats exactly right. Nothing new about hate in america, but this social media approach that, lets be real, perpetuated by former president trump, every racist comment he made that was full of hatred targeting different segments of our population laid the foundation to act as they acted when they strolled into the capitol that day with all of their privilege. I think the other thing that wray really pointed out is when they talk about the norfolk threat assessment and whether or not that should have warranted additional flags raised up the ladder, he kept saying that it was unverified, yet we know that members of congress were getting Warning Texts and messages and talking across their offices about the threats and violence that they were anticipating on january 6. So it felt a little bit of friction at this moment that i dont think any of the senators really pushed on as hard as i wish they would have, because yes, while social media might have been harder to fairify, we know that their Field Offices flagged it and that it should have been brought to the attention of all of the local enforcement officers, the Capitol Police as an active threat that they could protect against. I want to get jason on something, but malcolm, as our expert here, any thoughts on that . Yeah. You know, the information about the Norfolk Field Office and his discussion of what they knew and when they knew it still runs a little dry. And the question that was asked was well, how come the Bureau Headquarters didnt know about this . If your field Office Warning this . Everyone knew this was coming. Every analyst out there from me, mia bloom, others monitoring the field, you could see it. You could buy tshirts for it on etsy. So this thing shouldnt have been a bit surprise and i think thats a little shuffling on the directors part. Yeah. Jason, we turn to you for a brief or portfolio that we think you are fit to handle. This is some of the crass, hypocritical politics of the day as we were preparing some different pieces of the highlights and low lights, we thought, you know, Jason Johnson might be able to go in on this. Let me show it so everyone is caught up. You have republican senator josh hawley. He was the first senator to join the trump plot to get the senate in on overthrowing the election. Then what you see here will live in infamy as he held up his fist this way in solidarity with the maga crowd that the fbi director identifies now as full of terrorists and white supremacists. He led that charge, as i mentioned. And today at the hearing with all of this context, hawley tried to go at the fbi director with his argument, his attempt to present himself as someone questioning how this whole thing went down, how did this riot occur. He asked you about the geo location and metadata aspects of gathering related to gathering of metadata that is, related to your investigation of the january 6 riot. You said you werent familiar with the specifics. Can i just clarify your responses to him . Jason, i put the side by side up here so everyone can understand that the ostensible inquiry whether its about metadata or anything else, i dont have an issue with the question. That may be something to look at. Maybe malcolm can educate us. I have an issue with the Questioner Acting like there is a mystery with what he did out there that day. Your thoughts, jason . You know, its funny, ari. When i saw josh hawley asking that question, it was the biggest asking for a friend senator thing ive ever seen. Are you nervous, josh . Are you nervous that maybe some of your Text Messages or sol of your staff people are out there . Because lets be clear. Have i been saying from the very beginning its funny. I interviewed Malcolm For My First Post the word and we had this conversation. Ive been saying all along, couldnt the fbi just be tracking everybodys cell phone . Its not just that josh hawley is trying to gas light the entire country. There are senators and members of congress right now who are probably nervous that theyve already been discovered, and theyre trying to put as much distance between them im not saying he has. Im saying that given what we saw with the coordination of people coming in that building, it is highly unlikely that the fbi hasnt already started to target thieves who were in the temple that day. So thats what i saw with josh hawley. It was a very it was an interesting line of questioning for somebody who was smackdab in the middle of this from the very beginning, and now he is concerned that suddenly our information is out there like our Credit Card Information got stolen. Malcolm . Yeah, its like the gambinos interviewing the director of the fbi and saying so exactly how do you do a wiretap and what kind of trucks would you use and where exactly would you locate them and how loud do we have to be talking for you get good copy . Right . I thought that question was insane, and i thought hes worried about geo fencing, which is the technical term for the electronic fence that determines where all of these signals are. And i think he has something to worry about. Well, there you have it. That is concerning. Again, mr. Hawley, senator hawleys conduct that day is wellknown and documented. People can factor that in, evidence. Malcolm, thank you for giving us context to all of this. Juanita and jason stay for another big story tonight. A lot is going on, but this is one weve been staying on Voting Rights. The Supreme Court arguments today, this is about two controversial Voting Restrictions out of arizona. Democrats have been appealing them, among other groups arguing they simply violate the Voting Rights act which defends civil rights. Flow is a concerned majority on the Supreme Court, and the Washington Post is reporting justices did seem poised on tuesday to uphold these restrictions. Thats their interpretation of the question. That would mean striking down the Lower Court Ruling that actually said these were racially discriminatory. Conservative justices had called them, however, sensible and commonplace. The hearing comes amidst these wider arguments that republicans have responded to their losses in 2020 by trying to suppress more votes. And that is interesting. At the Supreme Court hearing today, again, brandnew, a republican lawyer acknowledged he was defending these new Voting Restrictions in order to hurt voters who back democrats. Whats the interest of the arizona rnc here in keeping, saying the out of Precinct Voter ballot disqualification rules on the books . Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats. Politics is a zero sum game. Jason, thats a republican lawyer saying the thing that the opponents were trying to prove, that this is not about, for example, authenticating ballots, which is okay when done right, this was and is about stopping votes either because theyre for your opponent, democrats, or stopping black and brown votes. Jason . And what this Supreme Court is going to do is theyre going to say that is fine strategically, and they will assiduously put across as much effort as they can to say that stopping democratic votes doesnt necessarily mean youre trying to stop black votes. Everybody has to understand this. Streets is watching, right . Every single Republican Party throughout the country is watching what is going on right now, because if theyre able to get away with what theyre doing in arizona, weve already seen this wave of Voter Suppression going on across the country. And everybody last fall, or really, earlier this year was oh, no, the courts are going to protect it. They stopped this 60 crazy cases. Remember, even conservative judges have always had a problem with throwing out votes that have already been cast. But our Supreme Court and all of these justices and all of these judges for life that trump put in, they have no problem with stopping you before you even get to the vote. And thats whats dangerous about whats happening with the arizona suit right now and also what they have in the legislature where theyre trying to pass another law that says the State Legislature can overrule the secretary of certification in that state in case arizona goes blue again. Juanita . The thing about this statement, he said it with his whole, chest, ari. He meant it and he said it on the record to the full panel of Supreme Court justices with no shame. As jason said, Glp State Parties across the country are watching this and theyre taking their cues from this. You can expect them to use this playbook not only in arizona. We already see it in play in georgia. Were going to see it in texas. Were going to see it in florida. Were going see it in any state that democrats have been gaining ground in for the past 10, 15 years, and theyre unabashed about it. While in my mind, jason, im man, these Supreme Court justices better not side with the gop lawyers here, its highly likely they will. Yeah, and we mentioned the post because i always say you can never predict everything based on the question, but you get the outlines. And our two experts are agreeing with what the post thought and what some experts thought, legal Court Watchers that it did seem to be shaping up to be that kind of voting bloc. We will see when the action comes out. Disconcerting case to say the least. I want to thank juanita and Jason For Kicks Us off tonight on more than one topic. We now have our shortest break of the hour. A special guest tonight on the Policing Debate of black lives matter. Im excited than later tonight. But first, this good news from the president that i was discussing with nicolle. Enough vaccines for every adult in america two months ahead of schedule. We have a Top White House adviser when were back in 30 seconds. 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Andy slavitt is Senior Adviser to President Biden on covid. He an expert On Medicare And Medicaid issues. He is a fixture at these White House Task force meetings. You see him there. I know what a busy time this is, andy. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, ari. What does the announcement mean . What has gone into the work to make him so confident to tell america its going to be a vaccines for all by may . Well, first of all, i think great collaboration. The president s call is for this to be an all of country effort, for everyone to come together. And i think what merck did today by providing their factories and their expertise to Johnson Johnson, what Johnson Johnson did by seeking help, and what we did by enforcing the Defense Production Act is really important. When we got here, you know, i think its not a secret that Johnson Johnson was well behind and still a little bit behind where they hoped to be. But theyre willing to accept help. Everyone knows this is wartime and we need to do everything possible. Theyre going run their factories now 24 7. Theyre going to have fulltime dod team onsite to help with operations. And all that means we could move the date in which we could vaccinate all of americans fully by the end of may. How did the Defense Production Act work in the Government Role in this . Well, so in order to make a vaccine, youve got a whole bunch of processes. You need supplies. You need factory lines. So going and using a factory of another company, retrofitting it so that it can be used for this purpose, making sure that all the supplies are there, the Defense Production is incredibly useful in allowing us to do those things. And of course, you know, people know that were taking the american Publics Health and safety as the First Priority and were serious. So when you talk to a company about pitching in, knowing that we have this tool is a really big help. Andy, at these briefings youve given a lot of different information along with your colleagues and other government scientists. Weve covered so many grim parts of this, the death rate, of course. You highlighted, though, another piece of good news that the most vulnerable population, the vaccine rate for seniors, which was as recently as a couple months ago around 8 . Now when we look at this chart of people who have at least gotten one dose or more over the age of 65, its up to half of all seniors. Can you just walk us through this chart . Because i know you were highlighting it in some of the briefings. Yes. I think one of the things thats so important to us is the people that in the last wave of our cases tragically were filling up hospitals, and we were losing were 80 were people over 65, and large numbers of those were people over 75. So its a huge priority, particularly if we believe variants are out there, maybe on the horizon to make sure we protect folks. Look, i know its been difficult for americans to have to wait to get their vaccine. And its painful for all of us, but i hope people feel great about this, that while they have been waiting, we have been vaccinating people over 65, people at risk, in many, many cases front line worker, health care worker, people in nursing homes. And thats important progress. Its just a start. Weve got a whole bunch more work to do to vaccinate everybody else, but it should feel good that were making at least a start. The federal government in different states have approached this a number of different ways. I think its clear weve all learned there is no single monopoly on how to do it, and there are tradeoffs. But as the president made news late today with that announcement, in texas, as you know, theyre going a pretty different way. Lifting a mask mandate, going back to basically 100 business operations. Does the Biden Administration agree with that approach today . Well, look, we appreciate the challenges governors face in making all the decisions they make, and we recognize that a lot of these are theirs to make, but the president s been very clear that we will save a lot of lives if in the first 100 days, 50,000 lives is the estimate, if everybody wears a mask. So we think its critical, particularly now as were starting to see an increase in cases in texas, which weve seen over the last week, and particularly as we have plans now to vaccinate the country that now is not the time to do this. If youre living in texas, you should ask yourself what is the cost really of just putting on a mask for several months to get through this period of time . And so we are we think its a mistake for us to take our foot off the gas on Wearing Masks right now. Interesting and appreciate getting a clear answer on that as people have to make these decisions, health and otherwise themselves. Its obvious to viewers that you are working evenings, andy. We would have known that anyway, but we know it seeing you work out at the white house tonight. Again, i know youre busy. Thanks for coming on the beat. Appreciate the insights. I hope you come back. I will, any time. Thank you, andy. Good to see you. I want to thank you and i want to tell everyone what we have coming up. New yorks Attorney General with a new probe. An important conversation later tonight on black lives matter, racial justice, and a special guest who is talking about how america celebrates different people and a double standard in black life in america. Its important. Were going get to that. Coming up, Big Political News and legal news for donald trump as Fulton County District Attorney investigates potential crimes, and its going to a grand jury. Melissa murray next. Research shows that people remember commercials with exciting stunts. So to help you remember that Liberty Mutual customizes your Home Insurance, heres something you shouldnt try at home. 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A criminal probe of donald trump now heading to a grand jury in georgia this week. Here are the facts. The Fulton County d. A. Seeking subpoenas for witnesses and documents in the investigation. This is all about whether as President Donald Trump committed election fraud. A major focus is on the infamous call with georgias secretary of state. So, look, all i want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. The people of the country are angry, and there is nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that youve recalculated. The d. A. Is actually investigating whether there is something wrong with saying youve recalculated, particularly if its part of a criminal election plot. The investigation looks at potential state crimes, which includes the most straight forward, soliciting election fraud, also potentially making false statements or conspiracy, racketeering, violating the Oath Of Office and involvement in violence or threats related to an elections administration. Heres what the d. A. Just told rachel. You look at facts to see did they really have intent, like asking for a specific number and then going back to investigate and understand that that number is just one more than the number that is needed and lets you know that someone had a clear mind. They understood what they were doing. And so when you are pursuing the investigation, facts like that that may not seem so important become very important. We turn now to melissa murray, nyu professor of law. Your thoughts on this case and what it means, this news that its going to the grand jury. Well, again, the grand jury is just a precursor to what may be an indictment. Its been said that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, but obviously there is a little more required here. They are to be able to show from the subpoenaed evidence that comes up in the grand jury investigation that there is probable cause to go further, to issue those indictments, and again, to bring criminal charges against the president and anyone else who was involved in all of this. So this is still early days yet, but the fact that they are moving so quickly i think says a lot about how purposeful theyre being about this particular investigation. Yeah, and i dont mean to repeat something we all got fatigued from during the last four years, but the fact that this is in the middle of our news hour tonight is a reminder of just how much is going on, from Pandemic News to other important things because we dont usually end president ial elections, have an inauguration, and then within two months have d. A. s actively looking at whether or not to indict the expresident because they were caught on tape blatantly trying to overturn the election and steal it in the state of georgia, wholly apart from what else happened on january 6. I say all that throw mind people this is not normal okay regardless of whether or not the Legal Standard is ultimately met, which is a process we dont prejudge. But do you think that that wider context, trumpism and the insurrection play any role in this, or should they . Well certainly i think the last four years has really deepened our threshold for what is or isnt possible in the news cycle. I think we have become a little an ncessary niced how much news can ournd one figure. It seems unlike how much the d. A. Is going to think about this. There is a larger systemic issue of which this is a part. The larger issue here is these are potentially criminal charges related to trying to prevent the certification of georgias votes, but they are part of this broader campaign, this alleged campaign to disrupt the Election Counts in numerous states and finally culminating in the disruption of the certification of the Electoral College entirely on january 6. So its going to be very hard to divorce this particular instance from that broader context. In the spirit of the whole case, as im sure you always teach your students, you got to look at both sides, what do you make of the potential Trump Defense here that however scandalous the call was, because everybody clearly knows donald trump, and he is clearly asking for election fraud. Thats what he is saying. Find me these votes because my people are mad. Cheat for me. What do you say to the Legal Defense that that is tough talk in the middle of a contested outcome of the campaign, his argument, that they didnt actually go, start moving ballots around or what not. What about that defense . I think were going see a number of the defenses that we saw in the Impeachment Trial being recycled here, this idea that when the former president spoke, he was not being literal, it was just sort of tough talk he was doing. Didnt actually mean for anyone to steal anything. It may also be the case that theyre going to have to show the state will have to show that the president in order to meet the charges, the president actually knew that what he was doing was fraudulent and that he continued to do so willfully and with the knowledge that it was illegal to do. Thats a pretty High Standard to meet, so again, there will likely be a lot of defenses that go to that question of intent and showing that this was not his full intent when he made the statement. 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Some of the things youve been saying and hiphop have been saying have become main line now. Things that were literally considered controversial even among democrats 20 years ago are now requirements for a lot of democratic candidates. Thats interesting with culture. I just want to read from the people. You say scuffle for notes, the rougher i wrote, times was harder, went from rocky starter to the voice of a martyr. White folks focus on dogs and yoga while people on the low end try to ball and get over. Lyrics are like liquor for the Fallen Soldiers from the bounce to the ounce, its all our culture. What does that mean to you now . I was basically saying, you know, a lot of america is sitting around going to do their thing, and everything is okay. And i was speaking to a portion of White America that had that privilege. I was saying the struggle is still going on. There is people struggling and going through difficult times. And i was really thinking about my community, the black community, our communities. And i was really speaking to that saying its no angst or anger toward you got that privilege, but its like hey, notice there is other things going on in the world besides just your dogs and yoga. And this is the thing about bars. You can say that at a very high level, but when you see yoga, we see people Walking Around with the mats. Its fine. But youre talking about lifestyle. Thats a very difficult potentially bubbled life when youre doing your own stuff versus whats going on. What did it mean for you to get that specifically . Its what i was seeing. I have the opportunity to be in different places where im seeing people with yoga mats. Youre not seeing that in black communities in the hood as much and really not at all. But we want that to be. In our truth, what im saying there is what weve seen happen in 2020, like where because of george floyd, because of George Floyds death and breonna taylor, a lot of people were able to say hold on, this aint right. Before its like you could hear about something. You hear about the death of a Philando Castile or a Trayvon Martin or sandra bland, you hear their names and you might read an article about them, but it didnt really stop you. And now i think, you know, what weve seen happen this year has stopped us. Were already still so, it just stopped us, and we had to pay attention. And that verse, i was really kind of saying hey, there is a lot going on over here. And we really struggling to get. My people on the low end trying to ball and get over. Lyrics are like liquor for the fallen soldier. There is people dying. My people, i was really addressing those things and bringing that attention. I think hiphop is so powerful because we need to hear the truths, and we need to hear them in a raw, in an unapologetic, in a way that can actually hit your heart and your soul. Yeah. So thats what hiphop has provided us, what i was striving to do. And youre doing that then. And then in beautiful revolution, your new work, youre hitting a new altitude. You just name names that people should or do know. Right. Then here in fallen, youre at a different altitude. Once upon a time there was a black man. They loved him when he shot ball. They loved him when he ran. They loved him hen rapped. They loved him when he danced, but really didnt love him when he was out with his fam. Couldnt love him in the hood or selling cds. Couldnt love her when she was in her house asleep. Im wondering if this love is really love at all. Right. Because in that type of love, we fall. You know, in that verse, i was really addressing the same time you see, like a lot of people celebrating like the athletes, the musicians, the actors and love them. Oh, we love you, we love you, lebron. But, you know, george floyd is the same human being, of the same flesh of the same make, of the same skin. He has to be loved just like we love lebron. And what is that in, if you will, White America that is obsessed with a certain type of vision of black performance or talent and then is afraid of or detests actual other black people . Lets face it. Human nature is to stay in a safe place. We try to stay safe. And that word is like something that we always, you know, you hear president s say it to try to get votes, safe. Youre not always unsafe just because youre around something that is unfamiliar. Its parts of White America who havent integrated and been in touch with those people who represent also a part of Black America and they feel the unfamiliarity breeds the unsafety or fear. I think thats the aspect of White America that has to go. They have to stretch further to go to those uncomfortable places, just to see what these human beings are like. And, you know, that same compassion that you hold for your own, we got to hold it for those who dont live like us. And ill say that to everybody. We recently recorded this as part of a longer mavericks interview with common using covid protocols, including tests for both of us. Now beyond the civil rights discussion, common recounted his work with artists like john legend and kanye west, his view of rising artists like no name and megan the stallion. Here are just a few more high points. My mother came to me and was like man, there are some good rappers out there this guy name naz. Even if youre not in hiphop, these guys translate it to being something really great for a generation that didnt even know them. Hiphop is so powerful in a way that can actually hit your heart and your soul. Do you remember those lines to this day . Well let me tell you about a trip a time ago, i was going there to run a coldblooded show. Things got even blingier. Things did get blingier. We were leaving behind some young Brilliant Minds and we had to feed them the right thing. I love collaborating with kanye. He always challenges you to be better. It was like tribes speaking to each other. Any culture has to be willing to look at itself and has to humble itself, just like we do as people. Our thanks to common. These are excerpts airing for the first time. The entire longer interview is out now tonight. You can watch it at nbc. Com mavericks. You can go there nor that conversation. Plus, a recent discussion with david burn, jon bon jovi. The exclusive mavericks series at nbc. Com mavericks. I did. Until i realized something was missing. Me. My symptoms were keeping me from being there for him. So, i talked to my doctor and learned. 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And thats cause personalized ads find good ideas for everyone news breaking out of the white house moments ago. Neera tanden will not move forward op heranted her to be director of the office of management and budget. There were some complaints about comments she made on twitter about politicians and other matters. President biden has now released a statement that accepts tandens request to pull out, to withdraw out of this nomination process. The president adding that he actually looks forward to having her serve in another role in the administration. Nbcs Shannon Pettypiece has been following this story and joins us now. Shannon, your view of this and the significance of people who may remember ms. Tanden from other administrations and being on television. But what else does this show about the nature of this divided senates control over some nominees . Reporter well, it shows the control of senator joe manchin, who was really the, you know, first democratic to come out against her nomination. The white house thought they could get some republican support, all this talk of bipartisanship, though, did not pan out on this one. They were holding out hope that senator Lisa Murkowski might come on and say that she would vote for tanden. So without joe manchin, that could have given them enough votes to get this nomination through. But no republican support. They lost the support of this sort of swing vote moderate democrat in joe manchin, who has a long history of disagreement with neera tanden. And so that has left them in the position of having to pull one of their nominations here and a really significant nomination in the office of Budget Management given the state that the country is in right now. Now, you saw in the statement and you noted they indicated there may be a place for her in the administration going forward, and thats something that ive been hearing from people close to this process, that if not now, there could be another job for her in the administration that doesnt require senate confirmation. So another thing to continue to watch for. We probably have not seen the last of neera tanden. But this does leave them in a sense going back to the Drawing Board on omb. We have heard a number of names speculated out there, but the white house has really not indicated who they might actually be putting forward for this nomination, as least as of this point. Yeah. And politics not always known for consistency, but some of the republican senators who say they were outraged by this had famously and repeatedly insisted they wont look at twitter, which is why they couldnt comment on the former president s tweets. Reporter right, yes. I would say this really came down to senator joe manchin, who is very concerned about budgets. That is one of his priorities. He has disagreed with tanden and her organization on a number of issues going back a number of years. I talked to someone familiar with joe manchin who said this isnt about him playing games or politics in any way. This is about him having fundamental disagreements with tanden on a lot of issues. But without his support and without being able to pick up any republicans, that essentially killed this nomination. Now, there are a couple other nominees still out there that, you know, have some sort of a lot of republican opposition. Javier ra becerra for hhs. Deb haaland for interior secretary. So far, those, democrats are lockstep on them. Theyre holding the line. So despite republican opposition, if democrats hold, those nominations should be going forward. Shannon reporting for us outside the white house tonight, thank you. Appreciate it. A breaking story there. Thank you as always for watching the beat with ari melber. And the reidout with joy reid starts now. Good evening, everyone. We begin the reidout with breaking news. President Biden Tonight has accepted the request from neera tanden to withdraw her name for nomination for the director of office and management of budget tonight. Were going to get to that breaking story in just a moment. But we actually begin with the very real, present, and growing threat of rightwing extremism in america. In ominous testimony delivered to the Senate Judiciary committee today, fbi director Christopher Wray soundedhe

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