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Would do what she did . Who would think that . It was a steamy story of sex. Wed hang out, wed have sex. Lies. Shes able to tell a lie. She believes the lie. And murder. He attacked me. I defended myself. After one of the most sensational and bizarre trials ever, hear the chilling details from her friends. Did you see any cuts on her . Tiny. Little cuts. And his. He was very afraid of her. But every time he tried to break things off with jodi shed threaten to kill herself. Inside the jodi arias trial. This isnt a ride at disneyland. This is somebody who was tragically murdered. Mr. Alexander was stabbed. You would acknowledge that, right . Yes. It would be you that did it, correct . Yes. The jodi arias trial never played as a murder mystery. Jodi, after all, had admitted to 12 jurors in open court and a few Million Viewers on tv that she was the one who shot, stabbed, and then stabbed some more her former boyfriend and secret sex partner. As to count one, first degree murder, guilty. Why, then, did so many millions of Trial Followers stick around for the final act . [ cheers ] and why did so many leave home and work to gather on the Courthouse Steps to await the final verdict . [ Crowd Chanting Justice For Travis ] well take an indepth look at the case, into why jodi arias became so obsessed with Travis Alexander, and so many of you became obsessed with this trial. Hello. We start with this home video, played for the jury. It shows travis Holding Court amid a circle of friends. Look a little closer and youll see a blond tenderly nestled in his lap. Thats jodi, in much happier times, when she and travis first started dating. No hint then of what was coming. We were excited for Travis Finding Somebody that he was interested in. Chris hughes was traviss mentor at work. Thats him on the couch with travis and jodi. Chris and his wife, skye, were there when the two met. When we met her that first night, we liked her. Yeah. She was great, firm handshake, looked you in the eye, socially appropriate. Good conversationalist. She was a little eccentric. We cant quite put a finger on it. But she talked about she was an artist and we thought hey, some artists are eccentric. You liked her and you could tell travis liked her. Oh, yeah, travis liked her. Travis liked her. Right off the bat i thought she was someone that would be a good match for travis. Aaron dewey was a roommate of traviss. Jodis a beautiful girl. She seemed like she had a lot of drive, some goals. They shared a lot of similar interests and passions. And it seemed like they were really, really good fit. And so aside from the physical chemistry that was already there there seemed to be a lot of emotional chemistry right off the bat as well. Jodi arias has been described as seductive, sexy, sultry, and Travis Alexander when they first met probably felt he was every bit her counterpart. He was a successful insurance salesman, handsome, charismatic. Dave hall worked with travis and was close to him. Good friend . Close friend . Very good friend. Best friend . You know, its funny because ive seen recently numerous people come forward and say hey, he was my best friend. And thats just the type of guy travis was. He made everybody feel like you were his best friend. According to his friends, travis was more than a bit of a ladies man. But this time travis was out of his league. Jodi became traviss drug. He was able to get something from her that he couldnt get anywhere else with the good Wholesome Mormon Girls that he typically dated here in arizona. Which was what . Not just sex but crazy sex or yeah. Sex that over the top. Overthetop stuff. Jodi used sex to control travis. At first she tried to be like this good girl with morals and values, and then that didnt work, and so then she turned on the sex. And that had travis, a devout mormon, tied up in knots, breaking the churchs law of chastity, that is, having sex before marriage, is serious stuff. Mormons believe the sinner risks an fails to repent before death. The result seems to have been that travis kept his relationship with jodi in the closet. He wanted people to believe, especially the girls that he was dating, that he was still a virgin, that he was still worthy to have a healthy longterm marriage with a good mormon girl. So this was a guy leading a double life. Yeah. Jodi tried to resolve that conflict by converting to mormonism, only to find it wasnt good enough for travis. He summoned his will and broke it off with her. The moral equation may have been cruel, but to travis it was undeniable. Jodis lust, her willingness to have sex in all sorts of ways before marriage, might have made her the perfect secret girlfriend. But it simultaneously disqualified her as a wife. She was not going to be the one he was going to spend the rest of his life with. And he communicated that to her. That would make anybody feel pretty bad and pretty hurt. Yeah. I think the way he put it was were going to be friends but we bothhatravis kept secret from his friends was he and jodi were still having sex. What he didnt keep secret were his concerns that jodi was stalking him. Travis confided in us she snoops through my emails, she snoops through my house, she checks up on me constantly. Im going out on a date with a different girl and shes following me. All of a sudden his tires were slashed in the middle of the night. He thinks jodi did it. We didnt have any evidence that jodi was doing it. But you 3w4r50e6bd that she did. My gut feeling was absolutely. He was very disturbed by her behavior. But every time he tried to break things off with jodi she would threaten to kill herself. Clearly jodi wasnt serious about suicide. We know that now because at the time she was making those threats she was Prowling Sales Conventions and on the phone at night, flirting with a guy named ryan burns. She seemed like a cool girl. We exchanged numbers. About two or three weeks after that we started talking on the phone. Four or five times a week. Reporter during one of those calls jodi promised to visit ryan in utah. And one morning in june 2008 she came knocking at his door. He had no idea what had just happened at traviss house in arizona. And he didnt know jodi had been there just one day before. How did she look . She looked fine. She just looked normal. Did you see any cuts on her . Tiny. Little cuts. She had a couple little bandages on one of her hands. Ment where thought, you know, are you okay, is anything wrong . We were laughing about simple Little Things. She seemed totally into the moment. Reporter back in arizona traviss friends found him dead, his home a bloody crime scene. 911, emergency. Whats going on . A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. By the state of traviss body police knew hed been killed days before. In the washing Machine Police found a watt yearlogged camera that would come to mean everything in this case. Some of traviss friends like chris and skye hughes suspected jodi from the start. I knew in that very moment that jodi arias did it. He turned to me and said, jodi did this. Ryan burns thought he knew jodi and the girl he knew was no killer. I honestly and genuinely didnt believe that she could have had anything to do with it. I just thought theres no way. I mean, this girl wouldnt even let me kill a spider on the wall because she didnt want to hurt gods creature. But then you started hearing from other friends of yours and people who were Friends Of Travis that they suspected her. Right. People told me not to take her calls. People told me not to talk to her. But at that point she had become either a very good friend that this is a horrible time to turn your back on her, or it was just this situation where am i really talking to a murderer. Aaron dewey wasnt sure what to believe. Jodi, he said, played the role of the innocent perfectly. 13 days after traviss murder she volunteered to talk to the mesa police, asking dewey for a ride to the station. Tell me what happened in the car that day. Ironically, nothing out of the ordinary. She was acting like nothing was going on. And she came out and said what . Everythings fine . Were good. Lets go home. What else did she say about traviss murder . She claimed to know nothing about it. You know. She was saying that she wasnt there, that she hadnt seen him in months. Thats the story jodi told police as well, and the one she stuck with for weeks. Up until the day police took her away in handcuffs. And thats when jodis story started changing. Coming up jodi heads to trial. Her bizarre encounter with detectives captivates the courtroom. And so does her last encounter with Travis Alexander. Love and death, caught on camera for all the world to see. Was there something that involved mr. Alexander in the shower . Yes. When Along Came Jodi continues. For drug free relief that works fast. Vicks sinex. Instantly clear everday congestion. man im a verizon engineer, part of the team that built 5g right, the only one from americas most reliable network. We designed our 5g to make the things you do every day better. With 5g nationwide, millions of people can now work, listen, and stream in verizon 5g quality. And in parts of many cities where people can use massive capacity, we have ultra wideband, the fastest 5g in the world. This is the 5g thats built for you. This is 5g built right. Only from verizon. With relapsing forms of ms, theres a lot to deal with. Not just unpredictable relapses. All these other things too. Who needs that kind of drama . 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Martinez had that part of the wall brought in to court. What is it . This is the piece of wall that was cut out and collected as item number 77 lb. And this is what were looking at in this photograph . While its still in the wall, yes. Perhaps the most damning evidence came from this sony camera, discovered in traviss washing machine. After weeks of Work Technicians restored photos that were once deleted. And with regard to the items that were deleted, were there some that involved mr. Alexander in the shower . Yes. What made these pictures key to the case had to do with a feature built into the camera. These images when you take them with this camera, it embeds the date and time that the camera has set on it to the file itself. Meaning for the prosecution those photos along with the other evidence told a story. That jodi showed up at traviss home around 4 00 a. M. On june 4th, 2008. They had steamy sex until about 5 00 p. M. , photographing each other as they did so. Between 5 22 and 5 29 jodi took these timestamped photos of travis in his shower. About one minute after this picture was taken the repeated stabbing of Travis Alexander began. Maricopa county medical examiner kevin horn testified that cuts on traviss hands help explain what happened, as he was stabbed 27 times, nearly decapitated, and shot in the head. I believe the wounds to the hands must have occurred before the fatal injuries either of the head or of the throat. At 5 31 the camera snaps what seems to be an accidental photo of the bathroom ceiling. The next photo, taken at 5 32, shows travis on the floor, bleeding profusely around the neck. In the foreground is what looks like a womans pant leg. According to the prosecutor, it could only be jodis. Ryan burns testified, telling the court the same story he told us about how jodi visited him in utah one day after killing travis. She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing. Martinez then played for the jury powerful video of jodi lying outright to Mesa Police Detective Esteban Flores just before her arrest. Why wont you admit to it . I didnt kill travis. You killed him. No. Jodi, you did. I did not. An accusation that would make many people crumble. But jodi persistently stuck to her story. Were you at traviss house on wednesday . Absolutely not. I was nowhere near mesa. Whats so remarkable looking back at this Police Interview tape is even in the face of immutable evidence jodi can lie, seamlessly and deftly and very creatively. Because the next day, after being booked and charged with traviss murder, jodi had a completely different story to tell the police, admitting she was there that night. Travis was screaming. But that masked intruders had burst in and killed travis and that shed been too afraid to say anything. And i turned around and two people there. One was a guy and one was a girl. Jodi said the killers debated about whether or not to kill her too. They didnt discuss much. They just argued. About what . About whether or not to kill me. For what reason . Because im a witness. And then, possibly in an effort to provoke the jury, martinez played a clip from an interview jodi gave to inside edition. No jury is going to convict me. Why not . Because im innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. And it was through these videotapes the jury heard in jodis own words how her story had evolved. But its the outtakes from these recordings, the parts the jury didnt see, that may also give insight into how jodi operates. Lets go back to the exchange between jodi and detective flores. Just before he confronted her with the photos from traviss camera. I was like, no. Typical. If jodi was nervous, she didnt show it. Maybe because a giggle and a head toss had worked on so many guys so many times before. Im christian. I just live my life by the 10 commandments and those are my rules. Da, da, da, da, da. You know, thou shall not this or that. But it doesnt say thou shall not fornicate. I always used to joke about that. Then after her flirtatious routine fell flat and she was about to be arrested, jodi still seemed completely unworried. She laughed. And sang. Apparently to herself. I cant breathe until youre resting here with me facing murder charges many of us would see our world turned upside down. But for jodi arias it was a chance to get into headstand. In yoga its called salamba sirsasana, a cure for whatevers ailing you. Then finally before being led away she made one last request. This is a really trivial question and its going to reveal how shallow i am. But before they book me can i clean myself up a little bit . She wanted to look good apparently. For this cheerful mug shot. In control and out to win over an audience, no matter how big or small. 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Your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. Upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. Tell your doctor about your medicines and if youre pregnant or planning to be. Otezla. Show more of you. Like the color of her hair, jodi ariass account of the death of her boyfriend changed over time. First she told police she wasnt there. Were you at traviss house on wednesday . Absolutely not. Next, that masked Home Invaders had killed travis. Then in court came Version Number three. Do you solemnly swear this time she swore she was telling the whole truth. Did you kill Travis Alexander on june 4th, 2008 . Yes, i did. Why . The simple answer is that he attacked me and i defended myself. Having a client thats lied in the past makes it very difficult for a Defense Attorney. Youre trying to play catchup the entire time, trying to prove that your clients credible. Ulysses farragut is a Phoenix Defense attorney whos tried Death Penalty cases but wasnt part of the arias trial. He said jodis defense team was right to put jodi on the stand, risky as it was, to try to connect with the jury. They do need to have the jury feel some sense of sympathy, some sorrow for her. It was very important to humanize jodi. The defense started with the claim that jodi had suffered longterm physical and emotional abuse. First around the age of 7 from her parents. I think thats the first year my dad started using a belt. My mom began to carry a wooden spoon in her purse. Her family heard it all and told dateline they couldnt comment. Jodi outlined for the jury the slaps, whippings and beatings. They would just push me really hard and i would go flying into that. One time i hit a door post. At this time that you were getting these beatings from your dad, did you love him as well . Yes. Of course. The Defense Theme of jodi as a victim candidate with her accusations that she felt used and debased by Travis Alexander. What do you mean, though, that you felt used . He gets a hotel room, i show up, we hang out, we have sex. Im getting a lot of attention but only while were engaging in sexual activity. I kind of felt like like a prostitute sort of. The graphic Sexual Testimony really goes to the heart of the question as to whether travis was physically and emotionally abusing her through the sexual relationship they had. The jury heard a recording jodi made, she said, at traviss request of a steamy phone call. Youre bad. You make me feel so dirty. You are dirty, baby. Did you and travis ever videotape yourself while having sex . Yes. And whose desire was for that to take place . His. Defense expert Alyce Laviolette, who coauthored a book about battered women, suggested emails from traviss Friends To Jodi Show Travis took advantage of women. They advised her to move on from the relationship, that mr. Alexander has been abusive to women that testimony, heard by millions and the jury, was stricken by the judge. Jodis Defense Lawyers never called to the stand the authors of those emails, chris and skye hughes, who say their words were twisted by the defense. It doesnt exist. The abuse does not exist. Whats it like to see your words used as a Murder Defense when the victim was your friend . Its gutwrenching. Theyre using our words to make travis look like somebody he absolutely was not. He called me a bitch and he kicked me in the ribs. During her marathon 18 days on the stand, 11 coming under friendly defense questioning, jodi said travis had once become enraged after theyd argued over money. He went to kick me again and i put my hand out. What happened after that second kick . I screamed really loud. I think i yelled out my finger or my hand or something to that effect. Jodi showed the jury the misshapen finger she claimed was the result of traviss outburst. But whatever concern she may have had about violence, she and travis didnt stop seeing each other. He seemed very happy to see me. Jodi came to traviss house early one morning in june 2008. That day, the day he died, there was sex. Lots of it, she acknowledged. After all, there was no denying all the photos they took. We were trying out different poses jodi herself described a happy, playful erotic day until traviss brand new camera slipped out of her hands. He was screaming that i was a stupid idiot, and he bodyslammed me again on the tile. Jodi testified that she remembered travis kept a gun in his closet and ran to get it. I grabbed the gun. I ran out of the closet. He was chasing me. She described Travis Lunging at her, the gun going off without her even knowing it. She said travis then kept coming, even with a bullet in his head. And we fell and i got up. And hes just screaming angry. And after i broke away from him he said [ bleep ] you, bitch. Do you remember stabbing Travis Alexander . I have no memory of stabbing him. Do you remember dragging him across the floor . No. Do you remember placing him in the shower . She claimed she didnt remember stabbing travis 27 times or cutting his throat. But she did remember one thing. She was afraid she would die. It was like mortal terror. It was like he i pissed him off the worst id ever seen him pissed off. A lifelong victim who suddenly snapped. A moment of rage she couldnt even remember. A desperate act of selfdefense. Or a regrettable mistake. All of that was jodis story, the latest version. Jodi had lied so many times before that she must have hoped shed get away with it one last time with the 12 people who mattered the most, the jury. But so many people watching, on tv and the internet, had by now heard enough of jodis stories that theyd already reached their own verdict. 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Please refrain from laughing in the courtroom. One earlyrising regular even sold her spot in line to a latecomer for 200 bucks. Ladies and gentlemen the judge, unhappy to hear tickets to her trial were being scalped, ordered the money refunded. And this juror, dismissed for reasons unknown, returned to court the following day. Apparently, she was hooked on the action. I knew that my life was pretty much over. As were millions of people who just couldnt get enough of a story of boy meets girl, girl kills boy. It wasnt just televised but streamed live, raw, unfiltered, across the internet. People arent content to just watch. They want to participate. Theyre doing research on the players. Arizona republic reporter Michael Kiefer covered the trial and said many were ready with their verdicts long before the testimony was over. Anyone who takes less than an approach of she deserves the Death Penalty and she deserves it now is considered biased. And any perception of bias for the defense, even by defense witnesses, could bring a hostile reaction from jodi haters. This all became dangerously interactive. When psychotherapist Alyce Laviolette testified for the defense, supporting jodis claim shed been sexually used by travis. And what does he do after he gives her the Book Of Mormon . He tells her that hes horny and they have oral sex. She performs oral sex on him. While laviolettes testimony was calm and measured, the vitriol thrown at her on the internet was anything but. She was personally and professionally attacked. A petition was started to stop her from speaking at conferences. And her book, about why battered women stay with their accusers, was hit with hundreds of online mudslinging reviews. She got Hundreds And Thousands of those kinds of remarks over the internet. People calling her office, threatening her. They had to call the police. If i were to walk up to her in the hallway of the courtroom and say you know, i dont like your testimony and i may hurt you and im going to try to ruin your career, thats a felony. And she wasnt the only target. Michael kiefer reported jodis lawyer, jennifer willmont, also received threats. Jodi herself also took to social media with a twitter account that drew more than 51,000 followers. She did it through a friend she met in jail. Donovan baron became jodis unofficial spokeswoman and twitter administrator. You actually operate the twitter account. Yes. But those are jodis words . Everything thats on there comes from jodi. Those are her thoughts. Those are her opinions. Jodi used twitter to sell her own original artwork and to make points she couldnt make on the Witness Stand. In one she needled Prosecutor Martinez. Hmm, anger management problems, anyone . Another tweet was more snarky. Intimating that martinez was afflicted with little man syndrome. That comment has since been deleted. But all of this attention helped elevate the public persona of ron martinez. A once anonymous bulldog of a prosecutor. Now a prominent costar in the jodi show. Just ask some of the trial tourists, the mostly women who traveled from around the country to witness the trial firsthand. Ron martinez, you never know what hes going to pull out of his hat. Hes traviss voice and we admire him for that. Oh, yeah. Sisters amy markham and dawn johnson both took the week off from their jobs in st. Louis in hopes of getting a Ringside Seat here and maybe meeting some cable tv celebrities. Once you go into the courtroom, its so surreal. Like youve been seeing all these people on tv and and here they are in person. Yeah. This is like hollywood. One of the stars the sisters were hoping to spot was katie wick. Oh, dr. Drew, what a crazy day. Every night katie gave her take on the trial. During hlns dr. Drew show. I have a lot of respect and admiration for ron martinez. She wasnt an anchor, reporter, or an attorney. Just a regular spectator who caught the eye of a cable news booker. And voila. People want to take a picture with you. They do. I mean, to the audience that is fixated on the jodi arias trial youre a celeb. What i have people tell me is katie, i love that youre just i dont want to say average person but in essence that im not going in there as a lawyer or doctor, im going in there as just a person. Just a regular person in the jodi arias show. This is not like jersey shore. This is not like did you see it last night when jwoww popped mike the situation in the eye. This is life and death. This is a Death Penalty case. And americas reacting to it like its a reality show. Like its a reality show. This reality show was about to get real. Along came jodi returns after the break. Rns after the break. Lt 5g right, the only one from americas most reliable network. 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Looking back, the fourmonth trial really came down to this, a showdown between the Bulldog Prosecutor and the woman whose image changed at trial from sexy wannabe photographer to plain jane admitted killer. Prosecutor martinez set the tone from the beginning of his crossexamination. He found a crack in jodis trademark composure when jodi appeared to have a perfect memory of her sexual escapades but not of stabbing travis 27 times. I have no memory of stabbing him. At first jodi gave as good as she got in sparring with the prosecutor. What factors influenced your having a Memory Problem . Usually when men like you are screaming at me or grilling me or someone like travis doing the same. So that affects your Memory Problems, right . It does. It makes my brain scramble. And then there was the matter of the gun jodi used to shoot travis. She testified she found it at his house. Because now hes in the closet mar was stolen from the home of jodis grandparents in yreka, california just before the killing, while jodi was living there. You brought the gun from yreka, didnt you . No. The implication . This was premeditated murder. After all the lies and the tweeting by jodi arias, finally after days of crossexamination Prosecutor Martinez seemed to break her down. You would acknowledge that that stabbing was after the shooting according to you, right . I dont yes. I dont remember. Im not asking you if you remember, maam. Im asking if you acknowledge that it would be you that did it, correct . Yes. So if he is being stabbed in the back, would you acknowledge at that point that hes no threat to you, right . I dont know. Well, if hes already been shot according to you and hes facing away from you, how could he have possibly been any threat to you . I could only guess. I dont know what youre asking me. Jodis claim of selfdefense was being whittled away. Would you agree that youre the person who actually slit mr. Alexanders throat from ear to ear . Yes. Would you also agree that youre the individual that stabbed him in the upper torso . Yes. And youre doing all of this according to your version of events, youre doing this to this individual after you have already shot him, right . Yes. Jodi initially tried to lie her way out of this jam. But was she now trying to cry her way out of it on the Witness Stand . Shes manipulative. Shes cunning. And i suspect she can be extremely seductive. Forensic psychiatrist steve pitt, who was familiar with the case but did not examine jodi arias, sees a woman good at manipulating others but not so good with being rejected. I saw her diagnosed by the prosecutions Expert Witness as having borderline personality disorder. What does that mean . What could be the understatement of this particular case. They do not do real well with rejection or abandonment. Jodi arias is essentially the 21st century version of the character that glenn close played in fatal attraction. If there was any time during the trial when jurors tipped their hand about how they felt about jodi arias, it came over the course of two days when they questioned her directly. Arizona is one state where jurors can actually ask questions of the defendant. The judge reads them. Did police ever find your grandfathers gun while the tone was not as biting as that of the prosecutor, those Jury Questions were overwhelmingly full of skepticism and disbelief. Why did you place traviss body back in the shower . Why not just tell the police the truth from the start . After all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now . This case are can be tied directly back to either protecting traviss reputation or my involvement in his death in any way. Because i was very ashamed. And thats what this would all boil down to. All of jodis lies. She was a chameleon. She read people really well. Really well. And she would adapt to whatever situation she was in. Jodis old friend aaron dewey. She would reflect back to you whatever it was you that wanted to hear. Whatever whoever it was that you wanted her to be. Jodi arias spent 18 days on the stand, an almost unheard of stint for a defendant in any murder trial. But was that part of the defenses Grand Strategy . Keep arias on the stand so long that jurors would never vote to execute someone theyd gotten to know so well, in such intimate detail . Phoenix criminal Defense Attorney Ulysses Farragut followed the arias case. I think that was the defense strategy, the longer we keep her on the stand, the more we hear from her, they will hopefully ingratiate themselves with her to a certain extent and hopefully spare her life. Jurors had four months to think about all the questions. Now it was time for answers and a verdict. Along came jodi returns after the break. Long came jodi retur the break. The calming scent of lavender by downy infusions calm. Laundry isnt done until its done with downy. Tonight, ill be eating the al pastor burrito from Boca Burritos right here in aurora. doorbell rings excellent as a local access show, we want everyone to support local restaurants. Right cardi b . Yeah eat local trill sound with relapsing forms of ms, theres a lot to deal with. Not just unpredictable relapses. All these other things too. Who needs that kind of drama . Kesimpta is a oncemonthly athome injection that may help you put this rms drama in its place. Kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions and slowing disability progression versus aubagio. Dont take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. Kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. While no cases of pml were recorded in rms clinical trials, it could happen. Tell your doctor if you had or plan to have vaccines, or if you are or plan to become pregnant. Kesimpta may cause a decrease in some types of antibodies. The most common side effects are upper respiratory tract infection, headache and injection reactions. Dealing with this rms drama . Its time to ask your doctor about kesimpta. Dramatic results. Less rms drama. As the end neared, the spectacle that was the jodi arias trial spilled out of the courtroom and off at screens and onto the street. Did you kill Travis Alexander . This trial started with jodi arias admitting she killed Travis Alexander. And yet she testified in her own defense for weeks. As if she still thought she could talk her way out of trouble. We saw her crying on the Witness Stand. The reason she was crying is because she cries for herself. There was one point ron martinez wanted to drive home in his Closing Arguments to the jury. Shes such an ornate liar. It was that jodi arias had spent the last four months running a con on them. Are you going to buy the lies . Are you going to believe what she tells you . In his summation defense lawyer kirk nomee didnt ask for an acquittal. Even he seemed to acknowledge that jurors were likely to convict jodi of something. If miss arias is guilty of any crime at all, it is the crime of manslaughter and nothing more. And he pointedly reminded the jury that this wasnt a reality show, that their decision shouldnt be whether they approve of the woman whose sexual escapades had brt of their daily routine for four months. Nine days out of ten i dont like jodi arias. It was a phrase that resonated. If not with the jury then certainly with his client, who responded via twitter, nine days out of ten . That sounds about right. If you think its strange that a Murder Defendant would laugh it up via social media, even while a jury deliberates her fate, then you dont know jodi arias. But of course that was kind of the issue throughout this trial. Who was she . I dont know. Look closely at jodi arias during crossexamination. No matter how much she sobs while strategically perhaps covering her face, there seem to be no teardrops falling from her eyes. Forensic psychiatrist steven pitt was struck by her ability to lie with confidence. Its a Terrific Sociopathic skill. Shes able to tell a lie. She believes the lie. And shes narcissistic enough and entitled enough to believe that shes so good that shes going to pull the wool over someone else. If thats true, this jury didnt fall for it. In their assessment of jodis state of mind. Ladies and gentlemen, i understand you have reached a verdict. Their judgment . That it was premeditated. We the jury do find the defendant as to count one, firstdegree murder, guilty. [ cheers ] outside, the crowd erupted in cheers. Justice for travis inside, a much different mood. Jodi arias sat in silence as each juror was individually polled. This time her tears were definitely real. And while traviss family quietly cried and hugged, his old friend dave hall took to the Courthouse Steps. Im just glad that the jury realized jodi is a pathological liar and gave her what she deserves. While traviss friends were relieved jodi would be held accountable, they also held fast to their mormon faith. Im required to forgive her. Its going to take me some time. And just after her conviction the rarely silent jodi made clear what kind of punishment shed like to receive. In an interview with phoenix tv station ksaz. I believe death is the ultimate freedom. So id rather just have my freedom as soon as i can get it. After those words the Sheriffs Department announced it was placing arias on suicide watch. Her Family Members left the jail that night in stunned silence. In the next phase of her murder trieshlgs determine if the level of bruteality met arizonas Death Penalty standards, was unexpectedly postponed. No explanation. Although the maricopa Sheriffs Office confirmed shed been transferred to a jailhouse psych ward. Turns out two juries deadlocked on whether arias should be executed. Leaving the decision to a judge. In april 2015 jodi arias was sentenced to life without parole. A former boyfriend of hers as for the man who prosecuted her, in march 2019 ron martinez was hit with a Misconduct Complaint failed by the state bar of arizona. It alleged in part that he leaked information to a blogger during the Penalty Phase of the arias trial. And that he had Inappropriate Communications with a dismissed juror. In February 2020 martinez was dismissed from the county attorneys office. In july he agreed to give up his license to practice law in the state of arizona, ending the Misconduct Complaint. Martinezs attorney said that although he agreed to be disbarred he was not admitting misconduct. Meanwhile, jodi arias remains behind bars. After being the center of attention for so long, shes serving her sentence and living her own reality. Im craig melvin. And im natalie morales. And this is dateline. No. It cant be. It cant be. He was so big in my life, the thought that anything bad could have happened to him didnt make sense to me. Glamorous, goodlooking, golden, the dashing hollywood movie executive. He was more like a movie star in real life. Just so charismatic. Perfect Southern California family. He completely dropped off the face of the earth

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