Simone sanders, the spokesperson for the Vice President , joining us. People who didnt catch it, you havent missed a thing. Weve got it all for you. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, rachel. The First Political trip of the biden presidency was to a state that joe biden and Kamala Harris won by. 6 of a vote. He is only more popular there now if wisconsin is following the National Polling trend that is showing a surge in support for joe biden, 62 of americans now approve of the job joe biden is doing as president. That number is so high that it has to include some trump voters who have been converted to approval of the job joe biden is now doing as president. President biden went to wisconsin to convince voters that theyre to support his 1. 9 Trillion Covid relief package and he used a cnn town hall to deliver that message to the country. Its estimated that by most economists including Wall Street Firms as well as, you know, think tanks of political think tanks left, right and center, it is estimated that if we pass this bill alone, well create Seven Million jobs this year, Seven Million jobs this year. [ applause ] and so leading off our discussion tonight is simone sanders, Senior Advisor and Chief Spokesperson for Vice President Kamala Harris. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Good to be here, lawrence. Good to be here. The first 1520 minutes of this discussion tonight with voters in wisconsin was all about covid19, it was all about the vaccine, it was how do we get teachers safely back into schools. That was about the vaccine. Really every turn of that opening conversation about covid seemed to be all about vaccine delivery. What can you tell us about the speed of the vaccine delivery coupled with the ease of actually getting it . Right now theres such a complex maze of Computer Hurdles to get through to even get an appointment, to find where you can get an appointment and the president did not get into a lot of detail about what might change in the ability to actually obtain the appointment if the vaccine exists. So this is a really important question, lawrence. I want to take a step back, because tonight the president went to wisconsin. He was in milwaukee not to speak to just democrats or republicans about the issues of covid and vaccine and passing the American Rescue plan and to answer their questions. He spoke to americans. As the president and Vice President have said repeatedly over the last couple of weeks since and before theyve taken office, it is going to take americans coming together to get this done, to provide relief to the American People, which the president believes and the Vice President believes will happen via the American Rescue plan and has broad support across the board. Thats what they were there to talk about, the folks in wisconsin and the president tonight. On the question of Vaccine Distribution, i think its really important to talk about the progress we have made over the last four weeks. I know it seems like a very long time, but joe biden has only be president and Kamala Harris has only been Vice President for four weeks. In that four weeks Vaccine Distribution doses to states and territories across the country have increased by more than 50 than when they first came into office. In four weeks we have made progress on a Pharmacy Program to get vaccines into pharmacies, like the walgreens and your cvss. There have been federally funded Mass Vaccination Sites in places like texas and los angeles and oakland and new york and more opening up across the country. Just last week the administration has partnered for chc program, which are Community Health centers, and sending 1 million doses to 250 Community Health Centers Across the country so folks can have access to the vaccine in their community. Its a long way of answering your question, but i think its important to note this is a big mess that the president and Vice President walked into and it is going to take a lot of work, a big solution, if you will, to clean this up. And the administration is well on its way to doing just that. The discussion about schools and Reopening Schools turns around the adults mostly, it turns around the teachers, the custodial staff, administrative staff working in schools, school bus drivers. The president talked about all of those people tonight and how he wants to protect them in going back to schools. There was a little girl there who expressed fear about children actually getting infected in a way that could then cause real harm, health harm within their families. Lets listen to how the president dealt with that question from that child. When will kids be able to get the vaccine . First of all, honey, whats your first name . Laila. Beautiful name. First of all, kids dont get covid very often. Its unusual for that to happen. The evidence so far is children arent the people most likely to get covid, number one. Number two, we havent even done tests yet on children as to whether or not the certain vaccines would work or not work or what is needed. So youre the safest group of people in the whole world. Used to be you could go outside and play with your friends and get in the school bus and go to school and everything was normal. And now when things change, people get really worried and scared, but dont be scared, honey. Dont be scared. Youre going to be fine and were going to make sure mommy is fine too. Simone, the president has a message for everyone out there about what is vaccine is going to mean in their lives and that point that we havent even tested it yet on children, does the administration have an estimate of when would vaccine would actually be able to be moved out to childrens use once the Adult Population is vaccinated . Its an important question, lawrence. I dont have a Timeline Update on that for you here. I think its important to really dig in on what the president said to that little girl tonight, because like so many children across the country, theyre wondering, you know, am i going to be safe. Theyre wondering when are we going to get back to school, when are we going to see my friends . I think about the children in my life who a year ago were in school and all of a sudden were told one day theyre going home and theyre not coming back for a while. Im thinking about the parents, im thinking about the teachers. When we talk about opening schools, when we talk about vaccines being available to folks across the country, especially to teachers, you heard the president say tonight he believes that teachers should be prioritized for vaccination. Its so complicated and touches a lot of folks. Again, the reason why the president thought it was important to go to wisconsin tonight was to speak directly to the American People and americans not as partisans to answer their questions. The Vice President will be doing the same tomorrow morning on the today show. Rachel maddow just spent the last hour considering the possible future life of donald trump as a defendant, both in civil lawsuits and potentially in criminal cases. President biden was asked tonight about the Justice Department investigating donald trump in criminal investigations. Lets listen to what he said about the way he expected the biden Justice Department to operate. One of the most serious pieces of damage done by the last administration was the politicizing of the Justice Department. Any of you who are lawyers know, whether youre a democrat, republican, conservative or liberal, it has been more politicized than any Justice Department in american history. I made a commitment, i will not ever tell my Justice Department and its not mine, its the peoples Justice Department who they should and should not prosecute. They prosecutorial decisions will be left to the Justice Department, not me. [ applause ] symone, is there any political consideration begin to the implications of that in the white house, meaning, if there is a biden Justice Department criminal investigation of donald trump and possible prosecution of donald trump, is there any concern about how that could be interpreted politically in the country . So lets be really clear, lawrence. The president said tonight, he is not going to politicize the Justice Department. Frankly, he is going to allow them to do their job and the Justice Department will make prosecutorial decisions. And thats that. There are no other considerations to go into that. It might be a hard concept for folks across the country to accept, that the president of the United States isnt going to tell the Justice Department what to do. The reality is, as President Biden said tonight and Vice President harris as reiterated over the last couple of months, the Justice Department is not the president s personal Justice Department. It is the department for the people of the United States of america. Theres another point that the president got into that you could see his reluctance to get into it and it almost sounded like hed been advised not to. It was that question that everybody has, when are we going to get back to normal under this pandemic. Basically he aimed toward september of the academic year. Having said, though, that hes been advised by people involved in the science that you cant really make these protections, so he didnt make it as a scientific certainty, but he suggested that the way he sees things, this is the way it will probably work out. Lets listen to the way he said it. We dont know for certain, but it is highly unlikely that by the beginning of next years Traditional School year in september, we are not significantly better off than we are today. But it matters, it matters whether you continue to wear that mask, it matters whether you continue to socially distance, it matters whether you wash your hands with hot water. Those things matter. They matter. Symone, is the september, in Many School Districts late august, opening of schools, the target for the Biden Administration on the first stage of success of getting back to normal . Well, as the president said, that was not a scientific assertion. It is what we would hope to happen and that we are working towards. This is what folks should know, lawrence. The reality is that we all want to get back to normal. I know folks want to be able to see their loved ones, they want to take their masks off, we want businesses back open, schools reopening and operating safely. The way that we do that is by banding together, by wearing our masks, as the president said, by social distancing. From the administrations perspective, the president has been extremely clear that we have to make progress, and that is what has happened in just four weeks since President Biden and Vice President harris have taken office. We have made progress on Vaccine Distribution. We have made progress on mask wearing. We have made progress on schools reopening. More schools are open right now than any other time in the Previous Administration during the pandemic. So while there is still much work to do, as the president often says, we can do this if we come together. We are the United States of america. There is nothing we cannot do. This will be hard, this will be tough, but we can get through this if we do our part. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We appreciate it. My pleasure, lawrence. Have a good night. Thank you very much. When we come back, well have more on the Biden Town Hall tonight with Claire Mccaskill and jennifer palmieri. Youll here much more of what the president had to say tonight. Ere much more of what the president had to say tonight. Im an emu no, buddy only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. The lasting cologne scent of old spice dynasty helps get you off your couch. And into the drivers seat. For decades, most Bladder Leak Pads were similar. Until always discreet changed that. By inventing a pad you never thought possible. Its incredibly thin. Because it protects differently. With two rapiddry layers that overlap, where you need it most. For strong protection, thats always discreet. Its time to question your protection. 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He has made a decision that he is not going to get into the mano a mano combat around what donald trump did do on january 6th and the death and destruction that resulted, that he is going to stay above and away from all of that. He once again led with incredible empathy toward the people he was visiting with. You sensed his humanity. I think we can go into some of the details about what he covered in the town hall, but he gave a nod to the progressive wing of the party a number of times, but he also held his ground as someone who is firmly committed to not calling republicans names. Yeah. To that point, jennifer, he got questions from trump voters, that they were identified as voters who voted for trump in 2020, one a Business Operator talking about the minimum wage and his concerns about an increase in the minimum wage. What struck me about that was you could not tell anything in joe bidens answer being different tonally or in any way when he was talking to a trump voter than when he was talking to someone who was identified as a democrat. Right. The next question came from a Small Business owner who identified himself as a democrat. I had that same reaction too in that he was empathetic with the problems that Small Business owners face, but he did not back down on the 15 minimum wage. He said people are going to argue about the details, i think in the end this is the right thing to do and nobody who works 40 hours a week should live in poverty. I had the same reaction as Senator Mccaskill did, that when you look at the composite picture of what emerges tonight, it wasnt necessarily one moment that you see a President Acting with empathy. Thats a welcome change. And then i feel that in the four weeks theyve been in office have used their time well while, i think, people thought that impeachment might be a distraction for the democrats. It was a distraction for the republicans, right . They spent a week on impeachment. They spent a week fighting about Marjorie Taylor greene. They spent a week with their circular firing squad dealing with the Impeachment Trial. Meanwhile, biden has been laying down with the American Public we really need a big covid relief package, theres going to be a lot of pieces to it. You see the support. When he talks about theyre not that divided, i think part of the political divisions arefrom dysfunctional government. You may see some of the political divides fall away. Thats what hes demonstraing is his hope. The president was asked about Racial Disparities in the distribution of the covid vaccine. He was asked about why supremacists and the problems with that and how the government should be dealing with that. He was very forceful on that. Then he reached for an example of why he has hope for our future, and he found that example in television advertising. Lets listen to the way he said this. Think about it. If you want to know where the American Public is, look at the money being spent on advertising. Did you ever five years ago think every second or third ad out of five or six youd turn on would be biracial couples . The reason im so hopeful is this new generation, theyre not like us. Theyre thinking differently. Theyre more open. And weve got to take advantage of it [ applause ] Senator Mccaskill, thats a Joe Biden Vision of our future. Well, you know, even when joe biden is above the fray and being very president ial, he still exposes who he is, he still owns the fact that, i mean, i think a couple different times he owned the fact that hes older or old, but he does it in a way that makes you kind of like him. I think his Approval Rating, i mean, think about his Approval Rating, lawrence. It is at a place that donald trump dreamt of. Donald trump never got above 50, much less scratching 60 as the president is now consistently. I thought the other question that was really telling about joe biden was the way he was able to thread the needle on the defunding the police in a place where there was a lot of conflict around Police Violence and the heavy hand of the police in communities and a lot of angst about it. He basically said we cant defund the police. On the other hand, we must decriminalize the use of drugs and weve got to do this a different way. Well, that is absolutely pitch perfect, because a whole bunch of people in this country want to hear about decriminalizing the use of drugs, and a whole bunch of other people want to hear him reassure them that hes not going to defund the police. Listen, i thought he did a really good job tonight. His Approval Rating is not going to suffer from his performance tonight. Yeah. Jennifer, when he was asked about defunding the police, that was from a trump voter who was concerned about that term. Joe biden began his answer by saying, fall, dont defund the police. Then he went onto an extended critique of police recruitment, who were getting in police departments, why we have to be more careful about that and how we police the police and, of course, getting in there that his son was a prosecutor and he has strong sympathies for the Law Enforcement side of these discussions. So when he does it, it doesnt even seem like hes carefully threading a needle. It seems like hes just presenting to you everything that he sees when he looks at this subject. Yeah. This is the benefit of having somebody with a lot of experience and a very experienced team behind them. Im sure there will be times where they will have tough times dealing with congress. They have extraordinary problems they are facing. But i think both from the way that biden has performed these last four weeks and the way that the white house staff has handled showing the American Public how theyre trying to tackle each of the many crises we have before us from covid to race to climate to the economy. Theyve just been really smart about understanding what the public really actually needs, needs to hear from the president and communicating that effectively, whether its Cabinet Secretaries or Jennifer Psaki being out talking to the press every day or the president himself tonight. I think if theres a moment that people remember from tonight, its probably President Biden comforting the young girl who was worried about whether or not she needed to be vaccinated and whether or not her mom was going to be able to get vaccinated and him telling both of them that he was going to take care of them and they did not have to worry. Thats the kind of leadership, i think, is a real relief for people to see from him and what were likely to remember from tonight. Jennifer palmieri and senator Claire Mccaskill, thank you both for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. When we come back, Pennsylvania Republican senator pat toomey said his vote of guilty at Donald Trumps Impeachment Trial was the right thing to do, but it turns out the Republican Party in pennsylvania does not want a senator who does the right thing and they actually say that out loud. And they actually say that out loud this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. Pour a cap of downy unstopables into your Washing Machine before each load and enjoy fresher Smelling Laundry for up to 12weeks. Tonight ill be eating a calzone from doughballs in aurora. doorbell rock on. Tonight ill be eating lobster thermidor au gratin. Really . Shyeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. 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Putting safety first. Heres republican senator Patrick Toomey of pennsylvania on a Conference Call with reporters on saturday, right after he voted guilty in the senate trial of donald trump. I approached this based on the evidence that was in front of us, some of which i witnessed personally, all of which was discussed in the trial. I did what i thought was right, and i would certainly like to think that regardless of my political circumstances or whether i was running for office again or not, i would do the same thing. Now, you might want your senator to do the right thing, but Pennsylvania Republican Party Officials certainly do not. We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do the right thing or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us. Philadelphia enquirer reports that the Pennsylvania Republican Party Chairman intends to schedule a meeting to, quote, address and consider actions related to the impeachment vote. One Pennsylvania Republican committee voted to condemn Senator Toomey on saturday before the senate even voted on the case against donald trump. Senator toomey announced last year that he will not be running for reelection in 2022. Donald trump didnt just lose pennsylvania, he lost all of his legal challenges of the Election Results in Pennsylvania Courts. Pennsylvania republicans want to change that. The New York Times reports that gop legislators, dozens of whom supported overturning the states Election Results to aid former president donald j. Trump are moving to change the entire way that judges are selected in pennsylvania in a gambit that could tip the scales of the judiciary to favor their party or at least elect judges more inclined to embrace republican election challenges. And joining us now is Pennsylvania State representative malcolm kenyata. Thank you very much for joining us again tonight. What are the republicans in the legislature up to with the Pennsylvania Courts now . You know, its the same tactics different day. As many people remember, you know, i and grassroots activists on the ground and many of my colleagues fought back against their attempts to try to mess with the election prior to it with their socalled integrity committee. And then we had to fight dozens of frivolous lawsuits after they lost. And now theyre doing what all sore losers do. Instead of getting better, instead of trying to convince pennsylvanians that theyre actually going to stand up for them and center working people, which they will not do, they want to make it more difficult for people to vote and they want to make sure that our courts are gerrymandered in the same way theyve gerrymandered our legislative maps. What this bill would do, lawrence, is take away the ability for all pennsylvanians to have a say in who sits on the highest court in the commonwealth and replace it with gerrymandered districts. And were not going to stand for it. I just want to say the why courts matter, which is a coalition of grassroots activists here in pennsylvania, i did a town hall with them and many others and my colleagues are educating pennsylvanians about this latest assault on our democracy. So right now all of those judges are elected statewide on the Supreme Court, and this would change it to basically gives them like congressional districts. But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled unanimously against donald trump. Would changing this to District Elections change that kind of vote, that you wouldnt get a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court . I dont think so and heres why. You know, theres no lancaster way to interpret the law. Theres no erie way or scranton way or philadelphia way or berks county way to read the law. What the justices did was look at the laws written by the legislature and interpret the law and they did so fairly, ensuring that every single vote was counted. The problem here is that republicans dont want every vote to count. We know and people understand how bad its been having gerrymandered maps, maps that i used to say these maps could have been drawn by a kid, but i dont want to be disrespectful to young kids who are a lot of artistic talent, none of which we see in these goofylooking maps theyve drawn. So the same people we cant trust to law these legislative maps, now they expect us to trust them as it relates to drawing maps for the higest courts in the commonwealth. Our appellate level courts are the final jurisdiction for disputes that arise in the commonwealth. Every single pennsylvanian ought to have a vote on who sits on that highest court. Right now if your look at where our justices are from, we have justices that reflect the Regional Diversity of the commonwealth. And so this is really a solution in search of a problem, and the only problem republicans seem to have is they have a problem with democracy, they have a problem with every Vote Counting and they have a problem when judges and justices do what theyre supposed to do and uphold the rule of law. What was your reaction to your republican senator from pennsylvania voting guilty in the trial of donald trump . My reaction is for the first time in a very long time, pat toomey has voted in the right way. But i dont have a lot of tears for pat toomey, because what he has done for years is what the republican elected have been doing as well. They have been feeding their supporters lies, disinformation, grievance, and now theyve created a monster that they can no longer control. So all of what pat toomey is dealing with, this is of his own creation, and i know that the chairman of the Washington County republicans said that he doesnt want a senator thats going to do the right thing, but ill tell you if i have anything to say about it, we will have a senator in a couple of years thats going to do the right thing and not just when hes on the way out the door, but somebody whos going to the right thing for working people every single day hes in office. Unfortunately thats not something pat toomey has done. Hes doing what a lot of people are doing in the Republican Party. They are on a Rehabilitation Tour for their legacies. He wants to make sure hes invited back into Polite Society by taking a couple of votes and standing up to a man that he should have been standing up to for many, many years while he was in office. You know, i wish pat toomey had shown this same level of spine when donald trump was impeached the first time. I guess he got it out of storage and its better late than never, but i am looking forward to us having a different senator who doesnt just vote correctly when hes trying to get a Consulting Gig or whatever hes going to do next, but somebody who centers Working Pennsylvanians every day and the rule of law. Is that senator going to be senator kenyatta . Toomey is not running for reelection in two years. There will probably be a wide open field in the republican primary and a few candidates in the democratic primary. Are you thinking about it . Im always thinking. The wheels in my head are always churning. My first gig was 12 years old Washing Dishes to help my mom pay the bills. I know exactly what its like to be a Working Person and not have Government Work. We need somebody in office whos going to make Government Work for working people, so its certainly something im thinking about. State representative malcolm kenyatta, who maybe be changing titles in a couple of years. 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Defendant trump acting solely in his personal capacity conspired with others with the purpose of preventing by force, intimidation and threats the plaintiff and other members of congress from discharging their duty to approve the results of the Electoral College vote and certify the results of the president ial election held in november 2020. Defendant trump is sued in his personal capacity. Rudolph giuliani is also named as a defendant in this lawsuit filed by congress benny thompson. Congressman thompson is represented in the case by naacp lawyers. Donald trump could be facing hundreds of civil lawsuits from the insurrection at the capitol, including a possible wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of the Capitol Police officer who was killed in the rioting. Donald trump could be weeks or months away from becoming a criminal defendant in fulton county, georgia, where the District Attorney is actively investigating Donald Trumps interference with the Georgia Election result. He also faces possible criminal prosecutions in new york city on federal and state charges. Joining us now is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general. The life of Defendant Trump through this lawsuit today just became even wider ranging than i thought, because this was not a lawsuit that i anticipated. This wasnt on my list of possibilities. I think there are, as ive said, possibly hundreds of lawsuits coming out of the capitol insurrection, but this one shows me a whole new range of whats possible for donald trump to be facing in court. Yeah, lawrence. Dont ever underestimate Donald Trumps range when it comes to being a criminal defendant or target. Hes individual number one in the Southern District of new york. Hes the subject of a georgia criminal investigation. And now today in this lawsuit hes a conspirator defendant. This lawsuits very powerful. It follows the model of Something Congress passed in 1871 to prevent groups of people from conspireing to deprive others of their civil rights or to prevent officials from going their jobs. Actually my very first article was about the statute. Its called the Ku Klux Klan Act. It is really telling that donald trump is not only the only president to be impeached twice, hes also the only president to have been sued twice under the Ku Klux Klan Act and sued by, of course, the naacp. Those are the folks who brought the lawsuit today. Its good because this is going to now teach donald trump what the naacp actually is. You know, i think these lawsuits do a lot to really paint a picture of what Donald Trumps ultimate legacy will be. I mean, if we were to describe trump using only the laws that have been invoked against him, you have the klan act, you have State Statutes about intimidating witnesses, you have other statutes about incitement of violence. If you just said those statues applied to somebody, youd think about david duke or something. You wouldnt think thats about the president of the United States. The most important point of the lawsuit today is it will allow discovery and witnesses being deposed, possibly including donald trump himself. Every lawsuit against donald trump involves the right of the plaintiff to subpoena donald trump for a deposition. I think we know that donald trump is going to fight every single subpoena that the plaintiff makes in this case or any other lawsuits against him. And these are, of course, routine matters that in normal litigation people dont fight pause they know they cant win. But Donald Trumps game has always been to delay as long as possible. If he can spend a year fighting a subpoena, hell do that and then hell spend another year fighting your next subpoena. Totally. I mean, he is so scared of testifying under oath, hell do anything possible. But hes not president anymore, lawrence, so a lot of those tools that he had available to him to fight in the courts and say, you know, im president , you cant subpoena this or that, theyre not going to work here. Here all that the plaintiff, the people bringing the suit need to prove is that there is a Material Issue of genuine fact. I think just the senate trial alone last week and the fact that an overwhelming majority of senators, including those who voted to acquit him like mitch mcconnell, said youre factually guilty, makes it really hard to not go to discovery. So i think this is going to go to discovery and were going to get access to maybe not trumps deposition right away, but access to all sorts of records, text messages, emails and the like. For him, discovery is what he wants to avoid. He wants to knock these things out with motions to dismiss at a very early stage so he doesnt have to get into subpoena fights, but you believe this case will cross that threshold . This one and many others as well. This is just the first of a wave of things. Donald trump was an unconstitutional monster and did tremendous harm. In some of that harm he did, hes not going to be immunized from, because hell claim he was acting as president or Something Like that. Its not going to happen. Neal katyal, thank you very much for joining us again. Always appreciate it. Coming up, george takai is here to discuss an alarming increase in violence against Asian Americans since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. Ans since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic tonight, ill be eating the al pastor burrito from Boca Burritos right here in aurora. doorbell rings excellent as a local access show, we want everyone to support local restaurants. Right cardi b . Yeah eat local trill sound the secret to amazing hair . Dove believes you get amazing results when you get the details right. 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Thats why our administration has taken actions to address these xenophobic attacks. We must continue to commit ourselves to combatting racism and discrimination. And joining us now, george takei, actor and civil rights activist. He and his family were held in a japanese american internment camp. He is the author of they called us enemy. George, thank you very much for joining us. Im very spoir this is the subject were discussing. This shocking increase in violence. When did you know something was happening like this . That were now seeing in the statistics . Well, throughout american history, there has been a steady undercurrent of asian hate crimes throughout. When there are reports of dean is folkic hysteria, then it swells up and we are going through that right now. Particularly because former president trump, or as Defendant Trump, as you referred to him, started using the words china virus, or wuhan virus, or kung flu. That just galvanized xenophobes. There was a swell against particularly elderly asianamericans. There is that case that has been quite well publicized now of an 84yearold thai man who was pushed down, who was pushed down by a young man and he died from those injuries. So this is just becoming a problem throughout the country, particularly where there are large asianamerican populations like here in california, on the west coast generally, and on the east coast, boston, new york, there abouts. And of course, Vice President harris being, having been San Francisco District Attorney, knows this phenomenon well. She certainly prosecuted cases involving this horrible problem. The New York Times is reporting a Community Leader in oakland saying, quote, our seniors are afraid to walk their own streets. And i imagine when you were hearing donald trump say china virus, and you were seeing him especially eager to throw that term at asian reporters in the white house briefings, that of course, there was an incitement in his use of that term. Yes, there was a mean nefarious intent behind donald trump. But you referred to President Bidens Executive Order during the first week of his administration, and in congress, Congresswoman Grace Ming was introduced, she introduced an asian hate bill. And in the state assemblies in california. David shu and another person have introduced bills. But most importantly, on the community level, Community Organizations have been putting together young volunteers to walk, to accompany elderly asianamericans on their walks. They go on walks for their exercise, and so they are protected. And these volunteers are not just asianamericans. It is multiracial. Whites, blacks, latinos, as well as asianamericans, joining in on this program. So the community is reacting to that. And the Law Enforcement against hate crimes is becoming particularly vigorously enforced. George, what is it like for you having been in one of our disgraceful internment car. S during world war ii as a child, and now coming this far in this country . Surely at some point you had to think we would leave these kinds of things behind. Well, i grew up, i was 5 years old when i was incarcerated with my family. And i remember the anxiety, the weeping, and the fear that i felt. I remember the Barbed Wire Fence Sentry towers but i didnt really understand it. After we were released, after the war, i started to understand that there is something about that that was wrong about me and i felt guilty being japanese, and when the School Teacher took roll. I beg your pardon . Im hearing things. Oh. I mispronounced my name, rather than correcting the pronunciation of my name, i assumed that mispronunciation, hoping that makes me less japanese. And so ive been always conscious of that. And so ive been active in each one of the cases when there was a surge of antiasian hate. So its been a part of my life. And thats why ive published books. Im working on another one right now. And we put together a Broadway Musical on t