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President biden will actually sign three Executive Orders to undo President Trumps harsh Immigration Policies including those separated from their families at the border. Well talk to a Biden Administration official about that. And House Republican leader Kevin Mccarthy just finished speaking in texas. He didnt get any questions about what he will do with congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene and her inflammatory statements as Pressure Mounts for Mitch Mcconnell. Well get reaction. We have a lot to unpack. Joining to us start off our coverage, cara lee is covering the white house for us. And Jonathan Swan is here as well. Great to have both of you. So lets get right to it. Run us through the key arguments made by the House Impeachment Managers and the president s legal team. Sure. Well, on the house Impeachment Manager Side of this, you have them making the argument that the president has singular responsibility for inciting this riot on january 6th in the capitol. They say he has the unique ability to provoke and quell violence saying he is uniquely suited to do that and could have tamped it down if he wanted to. And they noticed that both parties urged the president to intervene privately and publicly. Now for the Trump Legal Team side of things, they are answering this charge from the house that he reiterated false claims of Election Fraud. That that was part of what drove this. And theyre saying that is actually not factually correct. So there is a little holding on to that argument that the former President Trump had been making for all those weeks since the election. That this election was stolen from him which wasnt. They also go on to make an argument that he had freedom of speech privileges, and that what he was saying, what he was exercising his freedom of speech rights, and also that the senate lacks jurisdiction over this because he is no longer holding elected office. So making that constitutional argument that weve heard so many former president s allies make. Lets go back, they arent saying that it was stolen from him by widespread fraud but more that he believed he won. And in your extraordinary reporting, on what you call the craziest meeting of the trump presidency, reading it, thats truth in advertising. I mean, that is a key takeaway. That trump seemed to truly believe the election was stolen. But also, jonathan, he was desperate to find a way out of the loss, right . Yes. He was absolutely desperate. And he pushed his advisers so far that, what weve recorded, it almost resulted in a fist fight in the oval office with general flynn on his feet yelling at trumps lawyers. There was a lot of yelling and screaming. And it was four hours long . A couple different locations . Yes, yeah. The attempted Military Coup migrated its way to the president s personal residence, his living room, where the former ceo of overstock. Com was Wolfing Down Pigs in a blanket and little meatballs on tooth picks while he was trying to tell the president how to subvert democracy. It was quite a collection of characters. But to what carol was talking about before, there is been a really tense fight behind the scenes with trumps legal team over the language here. Trump still hasnt let this go. He was insist tent upon them arguing that there was Election Fraud. And his initial team. Lawyers did not want to do that. Their view was, this is crazy. We should make a procedural argument. And do you really want to be in court actually, sorry, not in court but you know, putting evidence forward having to prove the baseless claims of fraud . I dont think that has gone so well so far. They havent got a particularly good track record with these cases so far. So that actually was part of the reason that they quit, his first team. They have this quick Replacement Team of lawyers to do the impeachment. When you know what you know, and again, if people havent read this in axios, it goes down to who sat where in what color chair. This is a deeply reported story. What is your key takeaway as you look at the arguments on both sides with the upcoming Impeachment Trial, jonathan . I think both sides know very well that the arguments almost dont matter at this point. The sense i have from my reporting is that almost without, unless trump wheels in rudy giuliani, i dont know what else he could really do. One thing i picked up from some people who were involved in the first impeachment of trump, while theyre not happy hes been shut down on twitter, from the legal vantage point, thats quite helpful. One of the big things they were worried about in the first Impeachment Trial was trump live tweeting which was providing new exhibits of evidence in realtime. That is obviously not going to happen this time. I dont think anyone believes there are 17 republican senators willing to convict. So it becomes from the Trump Defense point of view, thats why you see these selfindulgence arguments about Election Fraud. Theyre not designed as anything to do with the case. Theyre really just appeasing Donald Trumps ego. Well, there is been a lot of appeasement going on for four years now. These come as politico reports on an election post mortem produced by Donald Trumps main pollster. It says the former president suffered from Voter Perception that he wasnt homicide or trust worthy, and that he was crushed by his dishamming of the coronavirus pandemic. The report notes that he was done in by hemorrhaging support from white voters. I mean, it is hard not to look at those cold hard facts and not see some recognition from what were hearing out of Mitch Mcconnell these past 24 hours, right . Yeah, look. The interesting thing about this is that when you look back a year ago, when the coronavirus pandemic first hit and became a big issue, people around the president , his political advisers at the time said that will be the issue on which he is elected. And there were all these efforts, if youre looking at the post mortem effort, all these efforts by people around the president to get him to take it more seriously. To get him to engage in ways that gave assurance to the public that he was on top of this. He kept showing up at the Coronavirus Briefings at the podium and undermining his own argument, his own stature in terms of his handling of the crisis. That continued to feed. And clearly from this post mortem, it was something in the end that they were right from the beginning that it would wind up doing him in. As the election went on, he started dabbling in this idea that there would be fraud in the election. Putting out all these various theories that left people scratching their heads. And it shows that he lost some of his core base of support, what put him over the top in 2016. Carol lee, with the beautiful snow flakes swirling behind her at the white house. Jonathan swan, go home. Save yourself before you cant get home anymore. Thank you both for being with us. Meantime, we are getting these new and actually terrifying details about the January 6th Capitol Riots from democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez. She told viewers on instagram that she thought they would die and it was made worse by another traumatic experience in her past. We cannot move on without accountability. We cannot heal without accountability. Overnight, new york congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez opening up for the first time about her experiences during the capitol riot. All of a sudden i hear boom, boom, boom, boom, boom on my door. Then i hear these huge violent bangs on my door and then every door. She hid inside a bathroom within her inner office. Like this. Like im here. And the Bathroom Door starts going like this. Like the Bathroom Door is behind me, rather, in front of me. The door hinges right here and i hear, where is she . Where is she . And this was the moment where i thought everything was over. I just i mean, i thought i was going to die. When ocasiocortez came out of bathroom, there was a Capitol Police officer there. She and her legislative director ended up barricading. They in the office. Staff members pushed furniture against the doors. She said im looking for where im going to hide. I said dont worry, im a mom, im calm. I have everything here we need. She said i hope i get to be a mom. I hope i dont die today. Describing the impact of the riots, revealing for the first time that shes been a victim of sexual assault. These are the same tactics of abusers. And im a survivor of sexual assault. And i havent told many people that in my life. But when we go through trauma, trauma compounds on each other. And joining us now, democratic congresswoman jackie spear of california. Thank you for being with us. Its well known that you know about trauma, surviving an Assassination Attempt back in 1978 at jonestown. Your boss did not survive. What are your thoughts when you hear what your colleague had to say, her revelations about the siege and what it triggered in her in. Well, alexandrias description is not unlike, i think, a number of members who were caught in that. I mean, there were 30 of us in the gallery when the pounding started on the doors of the chamber. And then a shot rang out. And i was thrown back in time to 1978 when i was lying on that air strip. And shooters came and shot us at point blank range. Her description is painful and i think it is important for the American People to appreciate how painful it was for her and many others as they had to try and survive what they thought was probably the ends of their lives. When you said you went back tom day, in 1978, was it total fear . And do you agree that there is no healing without accountability . Well, first of all, i was on that Gallery Floor and told to lie down on there. And then i heard the shot ring out. Of course, it took me back in time and i remember lying my cheek on the cold marble floor and thinking, can this be happening . Am i going to die in my own country in this Sacred Temple of democracy when i survived in the jungles of guyana . So i agree that accountability has to be part of this. I cant imagine we would allow those who committed trespass, who came into the capitol, who violated the law, that somehow they should go free because the courts may be overburdened. This was a direct hit on the democracy of this country. This was an attempt to overthrow the government. To render the vote null and void so donald trump could continue as president of the United States. This was no different than the coup that was attempted successfully in myanmar. I think there has to be accountability. And i must tell you im sorry, i was going to say that leads us to impeachment. And i know you just heard this. Trumps lawyers say you cant impeach a former president anyway. And by the way, trump believed he won and therefore, it was his right to express his belief that the Election Results were suspect. Youre a lawyer. What do you make of that argument in. Well, first of all, he was impeached while he was in office. It is the trial which is taking place now. And just because he is no longer in office is irrelevant because the impeachment occurred. The trial must go on. And he must be held accountable. Now, for those who say he was basically expressing his First Amendment rights, you cannot call out fire in a crowded theater. And here he was calling out Tens Of Thousands of people to go to the capitol and to fight and to not be weak and to take back our country. So those were words like fire is prohibited in a theater. He was prohibited from calling on these individuals who are white supremacists, anarchists and antisemites to go to the capitol and overthrow the country. Thats what he was asking them to do. Before you go, i have to ask but the letter you wrote to President Biden asking he issue an Executive Order to ensure u. S. Military screens troops Social Media Lengths for extreme. I groups, any links to extreme. I groups. You point out that these groups like to target members of the military. Help us understand how big a problem this is and what specifically needs to be done about it . So first of all, we dont know how large it is. We have incidents that have taken place, many of them in 2020. Where Service Members shot and killed federal officers and local sheriffs, one of whom was a member of the boogaloo boys. There is a 2017 report that says that 73 of all the lethal Extremist Activity have happened in this country by the far right. So it is time for us to open our eyes and recognize what is going on. The fact that we do not look at social media of potential recruits into the Military Flab Flabber gasts me. That we do not have as part of the intensive review that takes place for security clearances, they do not look at social media but they will ask you questions like, have you ever had a Mental Health episode, have you ever had a financial exposure to a certain problem. I mean, its a very invasive review and yet they dont look at social media. So i believe the president needs to act and i believe the secretary of defense needs to act. They both have the authority. One through Executive Order and one through regulations to make sure that social media becomes part of the review. Private Sector Companies do it all the time. It is a real blind spot within the government. Thank you. So. We appreciate your time today. And there is some good news to tell but on the coronavirus front. Starting next week, some local pharmacies will start getting vaccines. What this means for a Distribution Process that has gone less than smoothly. But first, some sad news to report. This is captain sir tom moore, best known as captain tom. He has died after a bout with pneumonia and testing positive for covid19. The world war ii veteran gained International Attention last year when he walked 100 laps around his garden before his 100th birthday. A fundraiser that brought in 43 million for the u. K. s National Health service. As you can see in this video, he was then knighted by the queen. Captain sir tom moore was 100 years old. Youre watching msnbc. 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