a, quote, cancer to the republican party. question is, will we see action against her in the house? and a key day in the second impeachment of donald trump. today is the deadline for his formal response to the charge against him. question is, what's his defense? it's "way too early" for this. good morning! and welcome to "way too early," the show that has some fond memories of bayside high. we've really missed you, screech. i'm kasie hunt on this tuesday, february 2nd. we'll start with the news. it's looking more and more likely that democrats will push through the biden administration's nearly $2 trillion economic relief package with or without republicans. the president met with a group of senate republicans for about two hours in the oval office yesterday to pitch their much smaller $600 billion package. but the message from the white house is that it doesn't meet the moment. senator susan collins said the meeting was very productive and cordial, but when it comes to striking a compromise, the sides are far apart and the white house says the president is not going to delay the aid to try and win over republican support. meanwhile, democrats on the hill have already started the process that would allow the bill to pass with only democratic votes. yesterday, white house press secretary jen psaki was asked exactly what the president would consider to be bipartisan. >> would you consider a bill bipartisan if it doesn't have any republican support in congress but it has, you know, support among republican voters? >> well, i think you touched on an interesting point, which is that 74% of the public, according to recent polls, supports this package. and the key opponents of this package. >> democrats and republicans -- >> we just saw the republican governor of west virginia come out earlier today and advocate for a big package. so, you know, when the president talks about unifying the country and bringing the country together, he's not suggesting that he is going to make one party out of the democratic and republican parties in congress, but he is meeting with republicans today, ten republicans who have sent this letter, because he feels they made a good-faith effort to put the top lines of a proposal forward and he wants to have that engagement and encourages that sharing of ideas. >> and we're going to get to more on the president's relief plan when top white house economic adviser jared bernstein joins "morning joe" coming up later on this morning. and in the wake of mounting controversy, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is condemning congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's outlandish antics and claims. mcconnell released a statement yesterday on the republican lawmaker from georgia. the statement reads, quote, looney lies and spiros theories are cancer for the republican party and our country. somebody who suggested that perhaps no airplane hit the pentagon on 9/11, that horrifying school shootings were prestaged, and that the clintons crashed jfk jr.'s airplane is not living in reality. this has nothing to do with the challenges facing american families or the robust debates on substance that can strengthen our party. greene later responded via tweet. she wrote, "the real cancer for the republican party is weak republicans who only know how to lose gracefully. this is why we are losing our country." okay. meanwhile, house democrats are mounting an effort to strip congresswoman greene of her committee assignments. if minority leader kevin mccarthy doesn't do it first. a group of democrats introduced a resolution yesterday that would remove greene from the house education and labor committee and the house budget committee. tomorrow, the rules committee is expected to meet to consider the resolution that is the first step in moving this to a vote on the house floor. a source tells nbc news that house majority leader steny hoyer spoke to mccarthy, the minority leader, yesterday, and told him he needs to take action about, do something about congresswoman greene. hoyer released a statement saying, quote, it is my hope and expectation that republicans will do the right thing and hold representative greene accountable, and we will not need to consider this resolution. but we're prepared to do so, if necessary. congressman greene hit back in another tweet yesterday, writing, quote, if democrats remove me from my committees, i can assure them that the precedent they are setting will be used extensively against members on their side once we regain the majority after the 2022 elections. and congresswoman greene is touting support from at least one person. you guessed it, former president donald trump. greene boasted on saturday that she had spoken to trump over the phone and in an interview with one american news yesterday, she went a step further, saying that they would soon be meeting face-to-face. >> i'm excited to go visit him soon and continue to give him a call and talk to him frequently. great news is, he supports me 100%, and i've always supported him. president trump is always here for the people and he's not going anywhere, so i look forward to joining him and what his future plans may be. >> joining us now, co-founder of punch bowl news, jake sherman, an msnbc political contributor as well. jake, good morning. it is always great to have you here. this is, of course, the week that mccarthy's supposed to meet with greene to try and do something about this. i'm curious what your take was on mitch mcconnell's statement, the fact that he put it out at all the way he put it out, what he said. is it intended as a signal to republicans across the capitol to actually do something, or is there something else going on here? >> yeah, you know, kasie, i've been trying to figure this out. i mean, i have gotten -- we note in punch bowl this morning that, was this coordinated with mccarthy? we don't have any idea at this point whether it was coordinated with mccarthy. neither side will answer that question. but this is incredibly rare, to see mcconnell weigh in on this kind of house republican internal politics. he also weighed in on behalf of liz cheney, the house republican conferencewoman who was under -- house republican conference chairwoman who was under criticism for supporting donald trump's impeachment. so, put these two things together, kasie, mitch mcconnell is taking a more active role, so to speak, after four years of donald trump, a more active role in trying to right the republican party in his estimation, it seems. but incredibly rare here. and the real question to me is what will mccarthy do? like, the behavior -- margery taylor green -- marjorie taylor greene's behavior is unacceptable to everybody, making anti-semitic comments, saying jews have a laser in space to start fires is ridiculous. this is not the kind of behavior, the kind of rhetoric you would expect to hear from any sane human being, let alone a member of congress. so, what will mccarthy do here? i mean, that needs to be the question of the week, and that's what we're looking out for early on this week. >> well, and of course, the reality is, he and others didn't do very much to try and stop her from winning this seat back when they had a chance in the primary. they decided that being hands off was the best way to go there. you have to wonder if they're re-evaluating that decision. and of course, jake, all of this splintering in the republican party makes it in some ways harder for them to actually negotiate with democrats on this massive bipartisan bill that's coming down the pike. some of the people that went to the white house yesterday have also denounced greene. they come from a different place entirely. mitt romney, susan collins were at this meeting yesterday at the white house. what is your sense of what the administration wants to do here? and do you think it's the same thing as what chuck schumer and democrats in congress want to do? do you think that the biden administration is more interested in spending time getting these republicans on board than, say, schumer and progressive democrats that he's trying to keep happy? >> i think biden's trying to will the senate, kasie, to a period that you and i know it's not in, right? i mean, these republicans are $1.3 trillion apart from senate democrats. so, unless we believe that democrats are going to writ large, en masse, pair back their demands and decide that they are now for a $1 trillion deal, instead of a $2 trillion deal, i just don't see this happening. i think republicans are looking for a palate cleanser from the administration, and many of them want to try to legislate with biden early on while ground is still fertile, and i think that's what this is about. >> well, we shall see. it seems like they're moving as quickly as they can here, which in washington seems slow to everyone else, but you and i know that doing a bill like this in a month, month and a half is a pretty quick timetable. punch bowl news' jake sherman, thank you, as always, my friend, for being up early with us. we really appreciate it. still ahead, major league baseball looks like it will get under way sooner rather than later after the players association rejected a proposal to delay the start of the season. plus, we're going to have the latest on that powerful winter storm that has covered the northeast in snow and more's on the way in certain areas. meteorologist bill karins is going to have a look at the forecast when we come right back. ome right back wanna build a gaming business that breaks the internet? that means working night and day... ...and delegating to an experienced live bookkeeper for peace of mind. your books are all set. so you can finally give john some attention. trusted experts. guaranteed accurate books. intuit quickbooks live. ♪ the calming scent of lavender by downy infusions calm. laundry isn't done until it's done with downy. if you have... ...moderate to 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league baseball players will report to spring training next month after the players association yesterday rejected the league's proposal to delay the start of the season because of the pandemic. the union did not make a counteroffer to the league's plan, which would have pushed back the start of spring training from february 17th to march 22nd, delayed opening day from april 1st to the 28th, and cut eight games from each team's regular-season schedule. the mlb also proposed expanding the playoffs to include 14 teams, instead of 10, extending the designated hitter to the national league for a second straight season, and keep the experimental rules for seven-inning double-headers and beginning extra innings with a runner on second base. in a statement, the players union said it did not make this decision lightly, adding, quote, we appreciate that significant challenges lie ahead and we look forward to promptly finalizing enhanced health and safety protocols that will help players and clubs meet these challenges. the league issued a statement last night, saying it's instructing teams to report on time, writing in part, quote, our 2020 season taught us that when the nation faces crisis, the national game is as important as ever, and there is nothing better than playing ball. we were able to complete a 2020 season through hurricane lean efforts and sacrifices made by our players, club staff, and mlb staff to protect one another. we will do so again together, as we work towards playing another safe and entertaining season in 2021. and in the first coronavirus-related issue ahead of sunday's super bowl, the defending champion kansas city chiefs have placed wide receiver demarcus robinson and backup center dan kilgore on the reserve covid-19 list due to close contact with an infected person. the players could still be activated for the big game against the tampa bay buccaneers, if they return negative tests on five straight days. we wish them health. let's go now to the nba and last night's matchup between the detroit pistons and denver nuggets, which was postponed minutes before tip-off, because contact tracing left detroit without the league-required eight available players for the game. it marks the 23rd nba contest postponed so far this season. espn reports the pistons were watching pregame film when they learned the game would be postponed because one of their players returned a positive or inconclusive test. sources tell the network that the team remained in denver to retest players before departing for salt lake city where they're expected to face the utah jazz tomorrow. all right, time now for the weather! and there's a lot of it. let's get to meteorologist bill karins for a check on the forecast. bill, looks like you got a lot of snow there, and there are some others up in the northeast who are still getting it this morning. >> yeah, kasie, i'm sour this morning. i just heard the plows go by. i've already done the end of my driveway three times. and you know, then the plow goes by again and just pushes more there. and it's going to be one of those days. yeah, 20 inches in my front yard. but here's the highest totals state by state. mendham, new jersey, with 30 inches, about a half hour from me. lords valley, 28, rye, new york, 22, danbury, connecticut, 19, and maryland, sabillasville, never even heard of them before! 19 inches of snow. top 20 all-time snowstorm for central park, 16.8 inches. hartford almost a foot. philly had about half a foot. we're adding it up still in albany. boston was too warm, mostly rain mixed in right along the coastal areas. interior sections did a lot more. so, we still have temperatures in the 20s and low 30s. we still have areas of blue. that's light snow out there through many regions, even around washington, d.c., this morning and philadelphia. we could see an additional coating to an inch in the areas of white, and when we get to the blue and the pinks, that's the heavier snow. that's mostly going to be confined to northern new england and areas of maine during the day today. so we're almost done with this storm, but we will see a lot of light snow and snow showers during the day today. the rest of the country's looking pretty nice in the middle of the country. look at denver today, almost 60 degrees and sunny skies. beautiful in dallas, too. but that storm in the northwest is going to move across the country in the next couple days. and here we go, kasie. our european computer model over the next seven days pinpointing areas of purple with the potential for heavy snow. that would be in the great lakes on thursday and the possibility of a nor'easter-type storm in new england as we go through super bowl sunday, especially sunday night into monday. we'll have more details on that as we go throughout the week. let's get done with this first one. >> yeah, for real. never a dull moment. bill karins, thank you so much, my friend, and good luck shoveling your driveway yet 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media ally. watch. >> this process is completely unconstitutional, and this is a very, very dangerous road to take with respect to the first amendment, putting at risk any passionate political speaker, which is really against everything we believe in, in this country, the foundation of the first amendment. but i'm going to tell you, i think it's also the most ill-advised legislative action that i've seen in my lifetime. it is tearing the country apart at a time when we don't need anything like that. i think president biden missed a great opportunity to be a statesman and demanded that this thing be called off, frankly. this is the political weaponization of the impeachment process. >> and though trump reportedly wanted a defense based on the claim that the election was stolen from him through fraud, schoen told the "washington post" his client now supports this strategy to argue that the trial, itself, is unconstitutional and that his january 6th remarks were protected by the first 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>> reporter: well, you're right, kasie, no one walked out of this meeting in dramatic fashion, as we so often saw with the trump administration when he would meet with democrats. but you know, no one was really getting into the nuts and bolts of this negotiation in this meeting. you could maybe call this a jumping off point for negotiation, but as one source put it to me, no one was getting out the pen and paper and the calculator and really trying to hammer out the nuts and bolts and logistics to try and get them together. now, that's the type of stuff that could still come, but the white house has been indicating they're not willing to wait that long. we are approaching the second week of biden's time in office, and of course, while that's not a lot of time, there is a great sense of urgency within the white house. now, the white house knows, and officials have said over and over that they are open to compromise. they do not have to get every dollar of the $1.9 trillion. but of course, they are, you know, about $1.3 trillion -- i'm sorry -- yeah, apart right now, so they need to close that gap and they need to close that gap quickly. and i think that is the big question. in the coming days, how much are we going to see each side move? just sort of like negotiations over a house. are we going to see republicans come up $100 billion, or are we going to see them come up $400 billion? are we going to see the white house come down, you know, $300 billion, until we get to some points where maybe we're at a $900 billion package? >> don't worry, shannon. i can't do math at this hour of the morning anyway. honestly, nobody expects us to do subtraction liven on the air. so, what's your sense? democrats have to use this complicated process, if they want to pass a bill here without republican votes. is there any talk of them doing some sort of compromise with the republicans who want to talk about this $600 billion and then also using that budget process to do more to try and get that far, perhaps allowing them to say, yes, we made a bipartisan compromise, but also we went big? >> well, possibly. i mean, white house officials have continued to say that they want to use the reconciliation process for other stuff, potentially a bigger, broader stimulus package. and while republicans think this is a pretty big, broad stimulus package, biden considers this just his phase one. so, they would like to do something with reconciliation, something, if they're going to have to do it with just democrats, they want to do it on their big phase two package. you know, this is biden's coming out of the gate, showing what he can do, this longtime senator who really ran on being able to bring the sides together. so, as much as it is about getting something done, which it certainly is from white house officials about wanting to get something done, it's also symbolic. so, i think we're going to also see continued efforts on this unity, symbolic bipartisanship effort, too. but again, white house officials are saying there is not much time. this is not something that is going to be dragging into march, for example. >> no, it's a very good point. nbc's shannon pettypiece, thank you so much for being here. really appreciate it. go get warm. and still ahead here, for the ladies out there who'd rather quarantine with their besties instead of their boyfriends, don't worry, you're not alone. plus, the honor that could put stacey abrams in a category with four former presidents and even albert einstein. we'll have those stories coming up next in "the cooler." don't go anywhere. 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and if he is trying to step out and take a leadership role, is it going to work or is it too little, too late? >> yeah, there's a pretty well-understood rule that house leaders don't get involved in senate mess and senate leaders don't get involved in house mess, and there's clearly a big mess in the house right now with liz cheney facing calls to step down from her post and marjorie taylor greene obviously under a lot of heat. what mitch mcconnell said in that statement is far more in defense of liz cheney than kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, has ever said. so it's really interesting that mitch mcconnell felt compelled to wade into it in the way that he did. i think mitch mcconnell in the last few weeks has been trying to, in words and actions, make the point to his fellow republicans that we need to move past donald trump, that donald trump is an electoral disaster for the party, and we can't continue to be a party that exists purely in his image. and so, liz cheney, obviously, is facing a lot of heat. he's trying to give her some cover. i think he realizes it would be a terrible image for republicans to boot her for the one person to face any consequences for what happened on january 6th to be liz cheney and not the president. so, i think he's trying to move us along. i hope that it is helpful. i wish that more republicans would be standing up for liz cheney right now. >> so, brendan, you mentioned marjorie taylor greene as well, and there was another statement from mcconnell yesterday night, where he called her conspiracy theories loony lies and labeled her a cancer. i mean, those are incredibly strong words, not words that kevin mccarthy, the house leader, has used. you've been behind the scenes in these rooms with mccarthy. you know him well. i know from my reporting, mcconnell and mccarthy don't necessarily have -- how to put it gently -- mcconnell runs things a little differently than mccarthy runs things. how do you think mccarthy's strength or weakness in dealing with this is going to affect how this plays out? >> yeah, you know, there are factions of the house conference, thinking of the freedom caucus, people like jim jordan, who have more power than ever, and they are able to, i think, unfortunately, push around the leadership in a way that is not constructive. and i think what you're seeing right now is both mccarthy and scalise are really trying to make sure they keep the right flank in line. look, jim jordan was able to round up hundreds -- excuse me, over 100 members questioning whether liz cheney should be there. that tells you there's a lot of anger at her. and i think he is trying to wade into that very very delicately. i think what he has tried to say is that there needs to be unity in the conference. whether or not there's a lot of interesting in having unity in the conference is another thing. it is usually not instructive to go gunning at your own members. you want to let them get in the room, vent, say their piece and move on. he's obviously being very delicate with this and not willing to make comments that mitch mcconnell did, which i find very interesting. it is remarkable to me that in one day the senate leader would put out statements on two different house members really, i think, trying to signal to house members as well as the country what kind of party he thinks we want to be and thinks it would be an awful shame if we demote liz cheney and don't do anything about marjorie taylor greene. >> he obviously, bottom line, wants to win elections and is trying to send the message we're not going to win them if we act this way. very quickly, brendan, the siege of the capitol and what's been unfold anything myanmar, i noticed you tweeted about this. how do you think it affects our standing in the world in terms of being able to support democracies the way we have in the past, that this all unfolded at the capitol. >> yeah. you know, we want to sit here and this that was just donald trump or an anomaly. in the eyes of the world, it's the united states. when we want to tell countries to stick by your democratic principles and they see us with an attempted coup going on, we lose our credibility and it's damaging. there is more to it than the violence we saw that one day. it speaks to us in a broader sense that will last for a long time. >> that's a very important point. thank you for being up early with us. we asked earlier why are you awake? my son lives in a long-term care facility and i'm making valentine's for those who live in the facility. christie said it's ground haug day. couldn't sleep because i'm so excited for phil's prediction. i am up this early because my neighbor was snow-blowing his driveway at 3:30 this morning. who does that? i'm up for two reasons. i'm resired and so i do whatever i want whenever i want. small benefit of being old. also looking forward to watching your show followed by "morning joe". well deserved. well earned. thank you all for watching this morning. coming up next, the "axios" 1 big thing. top white house economic adviser jared bernstein as congress debates the size of the new coronavirus package. don't go anywhere. 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>> as you have been reporting on, former president trump's legal team basically disbanded just days before his senate impeachment trial. and "axios" learned it wasn't just disagreements over legal strategy that led to the implosion of trump's legal team. but there were many tense phone calls with him and butch bowers to discuss financial matters. bowers said his personal fees would be $250,000. trump was delighted by that figure but didn't realize that bowers hadn't yet figured in other factors like additional researchers, lawyers, legal fees. eventually told the former president this would cost him $3 million. trump wasn't okay with that. he went back and negotiated the lawyer down to $1 million. he thought this would be pretty straightforward. there was already enough said, he told the folks, to acquit him. they didn't need to invest that much. that added to the lawyers' existing frustration about the legal strategy. they were uncomfortable with using the former president's unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud as the central argument in the case. and add the fact that the former president didn't want to pay them as much as they felt they earned. that led to this implosion of his legal team at the worst possible time days before he is set to face a second impeachment trial. >> par for the course for the previous administration. to that point, alexi, you have reporting of a pretty wild meeting at the white house in the final days of the trump administration. what happened? >> that's right. my colleague jonathan swan has new reporting showing that in mid-december, sidney powell, the controversial minded lawyer of sorts helping president trump's efforts to overturn the election, she marched into the oval office with a couple others, including michael flynn and the farmer ceo of overstock.com. this meeting with president trump wasn't on his schedule anywhere. so white house lawyers and advisers who saw sidney and others march into the room march 18th were kind of wondering what she was doing there and why she was meeting with the president. and it turns out that she and others were there to really try to convince former president trump that he had the power to invoke emergency powers to overturn the election to convince him to keep up the fight as they said against the election and to overturn the results. but it got so heated and tense over the course of two plus hours in this meeting, kasie, that rudy giuliani who was on the phone who was on speaker phone told everyone to calm down. and a participant in the meeting told my colleague when rudy giuliani is the voice of reason, you know things have gone out of hand. but that small moment just really encapsulates this larger kind of, you know, really confusing and problematic and ill-informed legal strategy that trump tried to bring in to help, not least of which he brought in the lawyers who is not dealing in facts and reality. >> alexi mccammond, thank you very much. it's auto always nice to hear from you. we learned last night from alexandria ocasio-cortez. she was locked in a bathroom saying she thought she was about to die. those are the experiences on trial when this trial gets under way. let's not lose sight what this is about. at this point in this nation we need to go big. we need to quick counting the legs on the cows and count the cows and just move, and move forward and move right now. we need to go big. and if we waste some money now, we waste some moy.

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