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investigative steps that you'd pompeo put cuba, cuba, on the like this and good at covering i'm going to say it tonight. everything he could to support list of state sponsors of want to take, particularly to good evening, lawrence. referring to this last week of donald trump, support a man who figure out what exactly donald terrorism along with iran, it up or if it happened. put kids in cages, who caused >> good evening, rachel. syria, and north korea. i just don't know." your life and your heroism on trump knew about what was going i remember last week, at first the deaths of children on the it sounded like, they might, that's maybe there will be some kind of impeachment movement then it was that day and susan wild was very u.s./mexico border, who to happen when the ralliers went very clear after you interviewed us what security precautions are separated families, who inspired to the capitol. adam schiff on your program that lucky, as she said, to be in the did he know they were going to impeachment was really being taken for the inauguration next week. foxhole with jason crow. a gunman to drive 600 miles and invade the capitol? happening. pompeo's pandering to what he thank you very much for joining sees as the cuban vote in us tonight. or did he think there was going today, joe biden said this.>> sf kill 23 people here in el paso, to be a peaceful protest? here it is, they're going to set florida is a lie. >> thanks, lawrence. texas, a little more than a year a new speed record for ago. there's plenty of information out there that was clear they impeachment this week. cuba is not a state sponsor of ted cruz stood by his side all taking your oath outside? coming up, beto o'rourke were going to try to be violent tweeted, "don't let him change the while hoping to ride that or try to push their way into >> yeah, it will be -- i mean, terrorism, as the world knows, >> no. the subject. the capitol. >> given what happened? when we talk again in two >> hey, guys, thank you. ted cruz is guilty of trying to the open question is how much let's go. overturn a lawfully decided donald trump knew about that. trump tiger of the trumpist core nights, it will either have just but donald trump is a state thank you. election, of helping to incite a all the way to the white house happened or it will be in the process of happening. sponsor of terrorism. violent insurrection that in 2024 and i'm certain that >> daniel goldman, thank you for joining us tonight. it does seem like wednesday's resulted in the deaths of five we really appreciate it. that's what motivated him on the people including a police floor of the senate on wednesday >> thank you. the day and then on to the senator joshua hawley is a state >> obviously, he's gotten -- i'm senate under terms and not afraid of taking the oath to try to overturn this >> thank you. sponsor of terrorism. outside. and we've been getting briefed. election. circumstances that we i think officer, and of pursuing coming up, never forget. are still evolving. sedition for his own political senator rafael edward cruz is a but i am -- i think it's gain. resign." everyone who helped donald trump and we'll all be turning to you beto o'rourke will join us next and he did so cynically, i think for help understanding the critically important that there hoping, perhaps, or knowing that become president is counting on senate rules at that point in state sponsor of terrorism and his effort would be unsuccessful you to forget that they did from texas. that. be a real serious focus on but that he could claim credit everyone who worked for donald terms of how mcconnell and if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back, company will or won't handle it. with the trump crowd to be able trump in the white house will spend the rest of their lives >> yeah. to do that. for that, we become i didn't see any way to get this holding those folks who engaged claiming that they were the ones who prevented donald trump from to break mcconnell's view of the doing much more damage as in sedition and threatened president. unanimous consent necessity, but complicit in these crimes. people's lives, defaced public the people who worked for and now it turns out there is this and this hole that they've blown supported and gave money to the open in our democracy, they'll 2004 new rule in the senate for property, caused great damage, worst, most criminal president walk right through it in a emergency situations that allows that they are held accountable. future election, maybe as soon as 2024. and i think that's viewed by the both the majority leader and the lawrence, it's not enough that in history will be lying about what they did for the rest of minority leader to bring an joe biden's about to be sworn in their lives and counting on you action forward and so chuck vast majority of democrats and on the 20th. to forget. republicans in the congress. as grateful as i am for that which is why we must never schumer may be, according to inflammation in your eye might be to blame. forget. looks like a great day for achy, burning eyes fact, this coup is rolling right that rule, empowered to get this >> joining us now is congressman that's next. trial going in the senate. jason crow of colorado. now in real time, and it is not over. cell phone repair. we're going to know more about he's a member of the armed services committee. over-the-counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and the people of texas are in that every minute. congressman crow, thank you very much for joining us tonight. harm's way when the president of did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance there's more and more study coming out on that. i really appreciate it. and may provide temporary relief. >> yeah. the united states comes here and so you only pay for what you need? yes. i want to work backwards from ha! these drops probably won't touch me. he's sure to rile up his what we just heard joe biden just get a quote at libertymutual.com. and thank you for asking say. xiidra works differently, supporters, to bring danger to laurence tribe my question about really? i'll check that out. what extra precautions that you targeting inflammation that can cause the rio grande valley, a part of how many senators have to -- the our country that's seen so much know of are being taken for the inauguration? dry eye disease. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote. fact that the two-thirds vote to what is that? xiidra, noooo! death due to covid, this president's failure in convict the president is only of >> hi, lawrence. it can provide lasting relief. leadership, the horrors of the number of senators present. good to see you. xiidra is the only not again! it doesn't have to be all 100 fda approved treatment senators there for that vote. so, you know, i was on a family separation, and the briefing earlier this evening. specifically inhumane treatment of immigrants an and so if 20 or 25 republicans i'm not going to go into the of dry eye disease. to add all of that up and then aah, come on rice. do your thing. decided to stay home, the one drop in each eye, twice a day. democrats could actually specifics due to operational this insult to the president in security considerations. don't use if you're allergic to xiidra. only pay for what you need. probably put together a i think it's important that common side effects include eye irritation, conviction of the president with ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ members of congress and the discomfort or blurred vision just their votes. capitol police and those as long as all the republicans involved in the security when applied to the eye, and unusual taste sensation. our power to make sure that his weren't there. visit is as brief as possible when they told me my work wasn't essential >> what'd you think i was going preparations for the next ten don't touch container tip to your eye or any surface. and as safe as possible for the to do? people of the rio grande valley walls enclosed around me days don't disclose the enhancements to the security after using xiidra, who've already gone through way with the words "you can't do this" tattooed to its surface. it was friday night. professor laurence tribe was situation. wait 15 minutes before reinserting contacts. too much here. coming on. you asked me to ask him. >> beto o'rourke, thank you very an unshakable feeling. this procedural question. i will say that i'm in the got any room in your eye? much for joining us tonight. pressure that swelled beyond my capable strength. what'd you think? process of gaining that we really appreciate it. confidence. talk to an eye doctor about twice-daily xiidra. >> thank you. how do i break through...alone? i don't yet have the information i prefer you didn't! you think i was going to ignore that i need to say with xiidra. that? come on. confidence that they're not today, dry eye. coming up, democrats in the come on, rachel. of course. prepared. house of representatives fast i don't... >> no, it wasn't very nice for me to ask you on tv to do it, tracked the impeachment process the strength to break through has always been built together. though. i'm going to conduct my own last time. i'm sorry. assessment and i'm in >> it was very effective, discussions with congressional if you ntry gain flings. to fresh laundry that was a fast process. crafted with the people who stand beside us. though. they have more freshness ingredients but this time, they're going leadership as well as law even faster. compared to bargain liquid detergent. >> yes, it was. they have 3 super powered ingredients that fight stink daniel goldman was special introducing career services for life. any timeou wt counsel to the first impeachment something or feel very enforcement, and military, to oxi boost investigation of donald trump, learn more at phoenix.edu embarrassed about saying no, you get the information that i need to have the confidence that i febreze odor remover just ask me right here and then >> thank you. and concentrated detergent. and he will join us next. try gain flings and smell the difference. ever need that we're prepared for "trump has always been a responding to this domestic terrorist movement. wolf in wolf's clothing." >> take us back to what we saw in that photograph where you're that is the title, headline, of holding susan wild's hand and ezra klein's first essay as a columnist for "the new york you're advising other people times." trapped in the gallery at that ezra klein will join us tonight point. that was in the visitors' at the end of this hour for gallery. tonight's "last word." beto o'rourke will also start you were up there because you don't want the house floor to be our discussion tonight. crowded because of covid and that actually made you more exposed because there are more entrances to that visitors' gallery than the house floor. it's less protected. this is his first public what were you telling susan wild everyone thinks their way is the right way.mes to laundry, appearance, television interview, since the invasion of and others? the capitol. i wash on delicate. i just stuff everything in. with donald trump planning to >> well, what had happened travel to texas tomorrow, beto o'rourke has something to say you have to wash on cold, because it saves energy. about donald trump coming to i feel like we're forglet me check.ing. xfinity home gives you peace of mind from anywhere the secret is, tide pods work no matter how you wash. texas while he's being charged with incitement of insurrection there, they'd evacuated already by the house of representatives. with professionally monitored home security so, everyone is right. daniel goldman was special leadership and the members on the house floor. built around you. it's got to be tide. counsel to the house i believe, most of the members that were with me, about two no, i think we're good. good. dozen of us, believe that they had forgotten that we were up intelligence committee for the there. so when you're away, you don't have to worry. first impeachment investigation that we had been essentially of donald trump. the tent. we forgot... the tent. he will guide us through what to abandoned by the security personnel as they did the evacuation on the floor because they did that evacuation first. expect in this second high-speed we were left up there. version of impeachment of donald trump in the house of representatives this week. by the time they started our except about that. xfinity home. simple. easy. awesome. daniel goldman will join us evacuation, the mob had encircled and trapped us. term contract required. click or call today. later in this hour. that's when we had to lock the our first guest tonight is congressman jason crow. doors and create barricades to he was one of the house managers keep the mob out. where we stayed for about 30 of the prosecution of donald minutes as the mob tried to ram trump in the first senate impeachment trial of donald down the doors and gain access trump. to the chamber. congressman crow is a lawyer. so i was telling kelly and susan he's a veteran, an army ranger, what i think any friend would say, is that i was going to be there for her. i wouldn't allow harm to come to her. former army ranger who achieved the rank of captain while yet at the same time, i was earning decorations and running through a mental commendations including the bronze star for his three tours checklist in my mind as to what of duty in combat in iraq and i had to do to defend ourselves afghanistan. if we had to. so including taking off pins, i was looking for any weapons that i could use. coordinating with capitol police jason crow is who you want in for an emergency force to come your foxhole on wednesday. >> what was going through my and extract us from the chamber head was, frankly, terror. donald trump plans to go to unlike jason, i don't have combat experience. as well as just thinking about texas tomorrow and lie, he will i'm very grateful to have been different ways of getting us out in the foxhole with jason. of the chamber at that point. lie about the border wall that he promised would be built and it's the closest i have ever paid for by mexico and cover come to something like that. >> what could you have used as a weapon in that situation? every inch of the border from the gulf of mexico to the pacific ocean. 1,954 miles. >> the only thing i could find was my pin in my pocket, going -- it's -- it was a scene of total confusion and chaos. lawrence. donald trump has managed to at least for somebody who had so the chairs are actually create 47 miles of new barrier never been in that kind of experience. on the southern border. bolted to the floor. so i had my pin. that's about 2.5% of the border actually, honestly, there was a >> jason crow told his friends that donald trump has managed to couple of minutes where i was cover. who he was protecting in the it is traditional for senators house gallery to take off their thinking about asking one of the to accompany the president when officers for his gun because i'd he comes to their state. been in combat. pins identifying themselves as no word if ted cruz is going to members of the house. i'd used lethal force in combat. join president trump tomorrow in texas. i've led over 100 combat missions and i do know that i'm senator cruz now joins a tiny the privilege to walk onto the capable of using that type of floor of the house of representatives. force if i was necessary to handful, tiny handful, of united states senators in american the president doesn't have that defend my friends and my colleagues. privilege except by invitation. history who have had their home i didn't know whether or not the police were capable or willing state newspapers demand their floor privileges in the house of doing that. resignation. so the thought crossed my mind the "houston chronicle" and the senate chamber extend that at some point i might have editorial board writes, only to members of the house and to ask one of the officers for a "senator, those terrorists senate and a very small number weapon if i had to use it. wouldn't have been at the of staff. capitol if you hadn't staged most of the tens of thousands of >> were you afraid, and how this absurd challenge to the afraid were you judging your 2020 results in the first place. people who work on the staff of colleagues to be?cae we were tr. there is no election to hold you the house of representatives and accountable until 2024 so we call for another consequence, the senate never set foot on the one with growing support across floor of either chamber. texas: resign." not once. and that very strict policy on joining our discussion now is beto o'rourke, former democratic floor privileges has always congressman from el paso, texas. given those of us who have ever had floor privileges the feeling he is the founder of powered by that we were in the safest place people, an organization with the cyber attacks are relentlessly advancing. in the world. goal of helping democratic candidates get elected across the state of texas. to end them, cybereason built a cyber security solution until wednesday afternoon when beto o'rourke, thank you very much for joining us tonight. donald trump sent his supporters so advanced... to the capitol. i want to give you an open mic it can end attacks today -- adam schiff said this week, these are the people who on computers, mobile devices, servers and the cloud. said today, "after that failed apparently believed that every trump lie beginning with the to comment on senator cruz, the insurrection, over 100 republicans in the house went "chronicle" demanding his and deliver future-ready protection, right back to where they left lies about barack obama's birth resignation and donald trump coming to texas tomorrow. in 2011, including the lies keeping you sharp for tomorrow. off, continuing the big lie about mexico paying for the join us, the defenders, in our mission. about the election, continuing >> lawrence, thanks for allowing to try to discredit the electors me to join you tonight, and i'm wall, and the last lie that from various states, and glad that you cited the cybereason. donald trump told those people end cyber attacks. disenfranchise millions." editorial from the "houston chronicle." from endpoints to everywhere. on wednesday. and those republicans are there was also the "san antonio counting on you to forget that. >> after this we're going to express-news" in a strongly worded editorial that also all of donald trump's enablers walk down, and i'll be there and supporters in washington, with you, we're going to walk called for senator cruz's resignation. from the white house to the senate, to the house of down -- we're going to walk and as you have seen from some representatives, are counting on down -- any one you want, but i of his colleagues in the senate, you to forget what they did. think right here -- we're going that's why members of the there's also a growing effort to walk down to the capitol and cabinet are resigning at the there to potentially expel him last minute now. all of which i think is the they are pretending that they just discovered that donald we're going to cheer on our right course for us to take trump is a lawless criminal because if there is not leader of people eager to break brave senators and congressmen the law in his name. and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. accountability, if there are not now, those lawbreakers are a tiny minority of the 74 million trump voters but it is enough to because you'll never take back consequences, bring madness and violence and our country with weakness. democracy on the altar of his murder to the capitol on own political ambition, then even though president trump >> he lied. mark my words, this is going to happen again and a future effort wednesday and, perhaps, somewhere else again. will be successful, an effort to and that, that is the ultimate overturn the legitimately was saying, repeatedly, that there is -- there is no quid pro those people have been with coward's lie. quo, ambassador sondland relayed donald trump from the minute he lawfully democratically decided to you that the facts of the started lying about president the "let's go." election for president or any obama's birth certificate in office in our country. 2011, the racist hatred that matter were that the white house and then he doesn't go. and so not only must donald meeting and the security donald trump unleashed with his assistance were conditioned on lies about president obama's he sent those people up there, trump face consequences, either the announcement of these birth was the jet fuel that made some of them to their deaths, investigations. is that your understanding? his presidential campaign take resign or be impeached, and there must be a vote on >> that's my understanding. flight in 2015. with no intention of going impeachment. himself. and now donald trump will never every democrat, every >> our next guest, daniel in his first presidential campaign, he urged his republican, has to be on the goldman, served as majority record for that. there has to be consequences for supporters to beat up any senator cruz, for senator protesters at trump events and be allowed to set foot in the hawley, and others who counsel for the house capitol again. never. participated in this attempt at told them the lie that he would unless he insists on testifying pay for their criminal defense sedition and insurrection, intelligence committee during the first impeachment investigation of donald trump. lawyers if they were charged with assault. otherwise we will lose our on wednesday the house will once again be considering the in his own defense in his senate second impeachment trial. democracy. impeachment of donald trump for nothing about donald trump one article of impeachment that accuses the president of changed this week. and then following that, we've incitement of insurrection. got to strengthen our democracy. and every person who agreed to what you see jason crow doing in "the new york times" reports "last-minute changes were made work for donald trump after he i certainly hope that the house this photograph is letting his late sunday to cite specific will pass hr-1, that the senate so obviously revealed who he is language from mr. trump's speech during the 2016 presidential will pass it as well and joe biden will sign it into law. last wednesday inciting the around him feel protected campaign is complicit in what because jason crow knows what to do in that situation. this is going to help strengthen happened at the capitol. our democracy, help to ensure that we have greater crowd, quoting him saying, if you don't fight like hell, some of those people, like because jason crow is going to registration, participation, you're not going to have a anthony scaramucci and michael defend them against the invaders. country anymore." cohen, turned against donald joining our discussion now is that's the personal drama daniel goldman, former house trump before the cabinet members impeachment majority counsel. who began resigning this week, captured in that photograph, but there's something else happening ethics in campaign finance, and but the only reason michael in that moment. that we hold accntru so cohen turned against donald that is a picture of jason crow they cannot abuse their oaths of office. trump is because he got caught protecting and defending the >> let's listen to what one constitution of the united committing crimes for donald trump. former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new states because that's the kind york. and the only reason anthony scaramucci turned against donald of person he is. thank you very much for joining us tonight. trump is that he got caught on what do you make of this tape in an insane rant to a impeachment case has described yes, he took an oath to defend in that article of impeachment reporter that even donald trump the constitution, but that's not and how fast can this be done in the house? found insane. why he's defending it. >> well, we know it can be done the truth about anthony by wednesday because there's a vote scheduled for it. an oath doesn't change the it will go to the rules scaramucci and michael cohen is person who takes the oath. 8 senators and 139 republican committee tomorrow, then they'll be president and they did members of the house, including vote on it on wednesday. you know, unlike the ukraine everything they possibly could the republican leader of the house, kevin mccarthy, were impeachment where we really needed to figure out what attacking the constitution in cohen's case committing crimes. happened, we had the call but that building on wednesday and never forget. they continued attacking the there was a lot more surrounding never forget that about them constitution after the invasion. the call, in this case, much of because everything donald trump it was right out in the open, has done in the presidency, the first oath that members of including the horrific scene including incite an congress took in 1789 was insurrection, was completely simply, "i do solemnly swear that we've now seen more video predictable before donald trump that i will support the even announced his campaign for constitution of the united of from last wednesday where president. states." members of the house and the senate were barricaded and that oath wasn't considered donald trump has always been who evacuated and there was an angry he is tonight and anyone who strong enough during the civil mob streaming in that was claims they couldn't see that until now is lying. war years and so it was strengthened to root out directly incited that morning by president trump. possible traitors in the house this is what happened when and the senate. you can put together a very richard nixon was forced out of powerful case as the house has the presidency. done with this article of suddenly, no republican in washington could remember the oath put in place then is still the oath taken by every supporting richard nixon. member of the house and senate impeachment just based on the including the staff. public record. they all agreed that he was a criminal. i took this oath when i joined and if you were to add in some the people who helped donald the senate staff in 1989. trump become president and the people who worked for him and of the online statements by -- supported him and gave him money "i do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies on qanon websites and others sort of fomenting this while he was president are foreign and domestic, that i hoping that you will forget what will bear true faith and rebellion, this insurrection, they did. never forget. allegiance to the same. and declaring their intention of that i take this obligation ezra klein and mara gay will freely without any mental invading the capitol, you have a join us after this break. reservation or purpose of evasion and that i will well and ...best for my family. pretty strong case that -- in only 8 weeks with mavyret... faithfully discharge the duties ...i was cured. of the office on which i am i faced reminders of my hep c every day. inciting this insurrection. about to enter, so help me god." >> republicans accused you and i worried about my hep c. in the 1860s when that oath was the members of the house of but in only 8 weeks with mavyret... going too fast on impeachment. ...i was cured. written, it was inconceivable to mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all types of hep c. last time you took about 90 days from start to finish on before starting mavyret your doctor will test... the men who wrote it that anyone developing that case. would put one hand on a bible ...if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. and raise the other and ask god surely on wednesday we'll be tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, hearing the accusation from the republican side that this is a a liver or kidney transplant,... rush to judgment and it needs to witness a pledge that he did not mean. more time. ...other liver problems, hiv-1, how would you respond to that? or other medical conditions,... to defend the constitution of ...and all medicines you take. the united states against all don't take mavyret with atazanavir... >> well, i'd ask them to look in the mirror. they also were evacuated. ...or rifampin, or if you've had certain liver problems. enemies foreign and domestic and they also were fearful for their if you've had or have serious liver problems to do that with true faith and allegiance. own safety. other than hep c, there's a rare chance they may worsen. these -- this mob was chanting, signs of serious liver problems may include no one, no one, would take that "hang mike pence." yellowing of the skin, abdominal pain or swelling, confusion, oath unfaithfully, they thought. it was -- it was a bipartisan and unexplained bleeding or bruising. they thought they had written an mob, so to speak, or certainly a tell your doctor if you develop symptoms of liver disease. ironclad oath. common side effects include headache and tiredness. that's what defending the nonpartisan mob, going after with hep c behind me, i feel free... constitution of the united anyone and everyone who was not ...fearless... states looked like on wednesday, supporting the unlawful ...because i am cured. january 6th, 2021. if you can't afford your medicine, abbvie may be able to help. overthrow of the -- or delay of that's what true faith and congress' role and certainly allegiance looks like 160 years overturning a lawful election. nicoreyou get 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wolf in wolf's clothing. that is the headline of ezra klein's first essay in his new job as a columnist for the "new york times." president, republican elites helped make the storming of the capitol possible. mara gay, an msnbc contributor. and mara, i watched what happened last week and i just kept thinking, what did you 01 how did you think this was going to end? >> that's right. one of the saddest things for me seeing this as an american, a human being first. concern for everyone's safety. but also as a journalist, a black journalist, is that there are a lot of us, not only black journal but many voices including ezra who have been saying for a very long time that this is the face of the trump movement at its worst. it doesn't mean every trump supporter of course supports what happened at the capitol last week. i'm not saying that. but there is a deep seated strain of anti-democratic extr and in many cases, racist, anti-semitic, a virulent strain that runs through this movement. and unfortunately, a lot of us were not taken seriously, i think. so this is a frustration that i've had which is why i enjoyed seeing ezra's column. i think it is important that you take haters at face value and take them for their word. those of us who have family history with that have learned that firsthand. i just think that donald trump was dismissed for years, oh, well, it's just his tweets. and now it has literally come to our doorstep. what we thought were only external threats from other countries, it turns out one of the greatest threats to this democracy is from within. >> i find it ironic that on the day mike pompeo wants to call cuba a state sponsor of terrorism, we have a president of the united states who is a state sponsor of terrorism. >> there is a story president trump used to tell when he was on the campaign trail in 2016. it's a parable, and there are a bunch of different versions of it. there's the scorpion version but he called it the snake version. in his version, people remember it. somebody picks up a snake and the snake needs to get across the river and the snake says don't worry. i won't bite and you then in the middle of the river, the snake bites him. and he says why did you bite me? the snake says, i was a snake. you knew what i was when you picked me up. and trump always told that story as a story about syrian refugees because he is a bigot. but i always thought, i wrote this at the time. it was a perfect story about donald trump. donald trump is always 100% clear about what he was. what he would do. he always called his shots. the one thing, trump is weird. in he is a liar and yet there is an essential way that he is very, very honest. everything he says is factually untrue but in terms of what he intends to do, he is actually quite clear. when he lost to ted cruz in iowa, back in 2016, he said it had been rigged. when it looked like he might lose to hillary clinton, he said he would say it was rigged. when he lost in 2018, will you commit to a peaceful transition of power, he refused to say yes. everything that happened here was clear well in advance. every time republican leaders signed on board with him, they made it likelier. every time they signed up, knowing what he said he would do, they made it possible for him to do it. that's why one of the really important things in all this is that we do not locate this just to donald trump. the bill is here as much as him and maybe in some ways, more than him. they're the ones who are duplicitous. kevin mccarthys of the world, the ted cruzes of the world. ted cruz, who said every terrible thing you can imagine about donald trump, so many of the others who ran against him and then ended up in his cabinet or backing him in the senate. they could have stopped this again and again and again. donald trump told them what he would do and every single one of them who now resigned saying it was too far. why wasn't it too far when he said it was coming? they're covered in shame. they have brought this upon us. every bit as much as trump himself did. >> mara, during the 2016 campaign when i didn't think donald trump could win the presidency, sometimes in the idle thought moment, i thought, it would be so funny to see him as president because he would discover the speaker of the house is so much more powerful than he is. the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, is so much more powerful than he is. i thought paul ryan and mitch mcconnell would contain this madness in my imagined presidency that i didn't think could happen. they couldn't have been worse. there is nothing mitch mcconnell could have done to more corrupt the ground for donald trump than what he did. >> that's right. there was a lot of hubris among republicans and others who thought they could control this president. when push came to shove, trump supporters are not loyal to the republican party. they are loyal to him. at least the base. and that's a problem that the republican party as well as the country will have to deal with moving forward. what the republican party does in the next two to four years is going to really i think determine in some ways the fate of our democracy. whether they are able to pull themselves together and recommit to democratic values. it's essential. >> ezra, what mara just described is donald trump himself, actually. he wasn't a republican before he decided i will run for president as a republican because that's a donald trump, i don't know what to say about this. the republican party has long been an engine for turning white resentment politics into tax cuts for rich people. and donald trump as a rich guy who is also a resentful white dude figured out in certain ways, in 2016, how to rhetorically unbundle those ideas. he then governed by giving tax cuts to rich people. it is why he ended up being so weak in 2020. the parts of donald trump that were making a break with the more toxic parts of the republican agenda, at least in terms of polling, the paul ryan agenda, didn't show up when he came into governance. but something about donald trump that i thought was important was that he really took the core of the conservative base and he brought it to the forefront of the republican party. that's always where the energy of the republican party was. but it had been channeled into pollulutokratic policies. that's a little bit true. he has begun to break that bargain in a way that makes it very much the face of the republican party's future. >> ezra klein and maura gay get tonight's last word. thank you both for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. thank you. that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. well, good evening once again as we start a new week. day 1,453 of the trump administration. nine days remain now until the inauguration of joe biden as our 46th president. this final full week of the trump administration begins withle

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