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calling an elected official and having them falsify, you know, election results or pretend that they're electors or come up with fake documents -- fake elector documents. so i don't think any of this relates to the outer, outer, outer perimeters of what he is arguing here, so it's unlikely to carry any water. but with some of these judges and the supreme court these days who are flying flags upside down you don't know what they're going to rule. >> what they're going to ask for sentencing. >> they're going to ask for jail time, and with good reason, and it's not politics. it's because the case calls out for jail time, and i don't think that's a political statement. i think it's because -- and you can argue, look, this is someone who's lived a law-abiding life for a long time, it's a low level e-felony, its his first