Refugees and migrants who continue to flee their home countries. Many hundreds of them dying in the attempt to reach europe. What kinds of solutions to germanys politicians have to offer to these crises what role should the country play in the International Arena . Should the next German Government be doing more or less all pursuing different t goals. Well six representatives of the main Political Parties with us tonight in the studio on our audience will be asking them some searching questions. They are my could link from the liberal sdp party is a former junior minister in the German Foreign ministry. Among eighteen years in parliament. Christina anderson from the populist a have de alternative for germany party. Campaigning for the bundestag from the local council in limbo where she heads the nft faction. Stuff on ebay his a member of the left party in the bundestag since its on its Foreign Affairs committee. Im drastic from the governing christian democrats to see do you also a member of the bundestag Foreign Affairs committee. Houses only laura poor farm policy spokesman for the green party. And row staying the from the social democrats spd the junior partner in the Current Coalition he leads the party in schleswig holstein. Netizens element thats a panel. Lets take off us question from the audience its own moves korea and it come. Sandra. Run by. Please go ahead hello. Germany has called for dialogue and diplomacy over the crisis in north korea. If you would stand in front of kim young or and today what exactly would you say to him. Thank you very much what i like to do is kick off with the a couple of quick sentences from each of you. What would you say to king john home . Today and why lets start with the. If you would like michael link can you start us when we go down the line. Okay. Thank for the question well then the question which really unites us all because we are. Born without a matching key for this problem. Because he thinks hes extremely strong. And he hopes of course that he can intimidate all of us. But its improved extreme importance to tell him very clearly. Who have lost old friends i would tell him you have lost on friends and we will make sure . By sanctions and by other means that you will not get any more. Resources for you weapons so think twice before you act and before you continue on your aggressive puff. Christina anderson. Yeah i agree i what i would certainly tell on and he needs to cut it out and he needs to cut it out immediately. The problem were talking about here is that. Nuclear weapons and. It is in next under unacceptable that someone the somebody like that pass said the power over what thats like that. Sally and the name of peace of the world we needs to make sure that he will not and act on that. Definitely. I think when he is provocative then result stay calm and we sort of fire him and at back to the Six Party Talks. With china japan with host south korea with the United States of course and i think he should and his Nuclear Ambitions and on the other side of south korea and the United States. Should freeze their maneuvers. And as nick. I think in the short term priority in the longer term priority the short term priorities to avoid. Escalation of nuclear warfare. Will by military confrontation by accidents and i think that should be. Made clear that this is in the mutual interest of everyone. Involved in the second priority for the medium term should be to find. A framework. Under which we could clarify what his real interest saw it as a question was it mainly. Using Nuclear Weapons as a Life Insurance for his regime. And try to find a diplomatic family with its Six Party Talks with p. Five present on. The with lately we willing to participate in Something Like that like we did. In iran and i think that is one important step. To reduce the risk of escalation to what do you say in action your actual words hes standing before you would you say to him. Dont be a crescent. Make sure that you avoids. Military escalation by accident. And. Lets find. The framework under which we can peacefully discuss how to resolve the differences in the region army durable. I would ask him what he wants i have no idea i would question is what do you wan. And then there of course the question is at what surprise for from coming back to the table of negotiations. And said of course he he has to understand you. Question its you you have to understand that a award communities sticking together. And be be made. To have an alliance with china with japan and south korea on on on that and he can seize it you can see that on. The question of the coal shipments for example being bent and this is path for and so the question is what surprise for. For negotiation than what surprise for. Getting rid of his said Nuclear Arsenal to you want to do a deal said dont the deal is going have a price i would i would for you want to find out exactly what that was races. You know did the problem and thought koreas and we do not have any influence. And we do not have any insights so that we have to talk. Prostate. What part of the question is already the answer talking rather than . Radical tweets or Something Like that and. Asking him. What and has to have a good wellbeing for his people there . A weather we have influence on not is a very difficult question i dont know where the talks will. And answer that question by talking. That is better than anything else a drastic invited come back to you. Why do you think you should listen to this some any from germany once jeremy got to offer . Well indeed we have for limited influence. Almost grew as has almost anybody else with the exception of china. There is a question whether he might be interested over time. In. Relations that may help to improve the livelihood of his people which is in a desperate situation. Will very well saying you might dangle the idea of economic support in front. When the recordings support what hes improvement of the livelihood to affect people we are important trading partner. To many of his neighbors in the region we have a vested interest in stability. And thats what makes us a credible of party to talk to. Stephanie big hes learned the lesson the house indeed which a lot of people learn in politics which is. If you have a big gun and you start firing at people are going to listen to. I think you read as germans has have one thing to off our business experience of the reunification weekend discuss discuss with him. That he managed it and i think that there are people who even in north korea who are interested in our experiences youre not suggesting he wants to unify with the south. There are people on both sides who are discussing reunification we have a new president in south korea and now. Who and he is interested in a different way than the president before was one kills his opponents in the other one . Rights elections with the some difference there is you know it wouldnt would say and i think we have to try to learn how to see how he sees the world. He would say yeah but they are my new us between the United States and south korea so what i would suggest is. We should make le of freezing in this manor house he has to say he will stop has Nuclear Ambitions and then we can go back to talk. And i think this is the best and it is a possible way. Christina anderson can you use you said telling to cut it out. As soon as i can yeah ceiling assuming that he doesnt can you afford to leave him to play with his toys and simply walk away. No of course not cyanide a guy has a right to to prevent to im sorry. America has a right to prevent him from using those toys. And has america our right to do that they dont have a right to do that unless they have a goal from the un. I would say. They cant im sorry how big russia and china blocking that in the Security Council. Does america have a right damn we need to get a mall on the table and we need to talk about that. Thats all going so well these days is it. Well. We should we should at least try it but i just had another idea maybe maybe that word reunification and i just heard here. Maybe he is trying to prevent just that. Maybe the peace with the world is just come to that becomes a peaceful for him. I dodont know how he ticks. But we need to we need to stop them and we can just. Let him go on doing michael lind because as a slightly larger question here do you think germany should play a bigger role in a dangerous world. Bigger role than it has done up till now. I think so i think so because we have a role to play in defending the. Multilateral liberal international order. And that means for north korea yes certainly we should play a role but not as germany alone but its part of the e. You. Look at what in the you could done could do and germany together with the u. S. Strong you member. A in the iran talks iran shows you that takes time we dont have the time so much in north korea i agree with yo. But lets begin where he wants something he meets spare parts finance resources for what he is hes doing we can do more. The latest sanctions are a good step forward we can do more from. Depriving him getting the resources he needs to continue his path. The americans who went to see kim jong un in twenty fourteen came away saying the North Koreans are not going to give up their Nuclear Weapons its a non starter. We try pressuring threatening negotiating trying to Leverage China everybodys tried all that and its not working so what do you left with. Well of course im not defender or he had to to explain whats president from things that i i question myself us myself what he. Really wants their bits. Just been layouts and said just imitating the noise the noisy approach of because of some use from north korea. Is not helpful but again lets begin with north korea need something lets begin where they are in need of resources. And. The technology for the weapons. Here we can indeed to do more. Rumors our ballots the countrys like sometimes. Egypt pakistan still selling something to him well lets try to stop that line. Wrath stagnant if you accept the idea that germany should play a bigger role in. A dangerous world. If you dont deal forcefully with north korea now whats to stop another state. Playing the same games further down the line well if you would only talk to the. Nations that share our values are the only size and in no way so that doesnt help really. I think one of the problems is not owned in are not many have Nuclear Weapons and thats true but. Its them problems not only north korea but also that we dont have an of unity. Among the the other nations so first of all we should come together with the americans and the chinese and see that we. Get more unity and then tell the North Koreans and we wont threaten you if you dont threaten us and the Security Council is deadlocked as you know what happens most important issues about unity is invent that is a true. Bucks. Tanning bed this is difficult doesnt mean that we can afford such. To give it up and i see whats realistic rome whats difficult o or easy w what d you think it was realistic to get out of the confrontation between the big superpowers and it happened. Because the north tried long enough a. We had a cold war then was and then that we will not threatened by nuclear war between. The United States and russia anymore a summit union so things can change but that takes awhile. And theres no reason of the turned have to negotiating to talk and joni can play a big role because where. Economic power and and and and we very much. Benefited from. What happened after World War Two so i think we can play a role in negotiating and . Alluring tensions and peace talks and in those kind of things rather than helping to escalate everything and said. Making arms races and that kind of stuff moment no report the greens would want to play that role with. Yeah absolutetely but not of germanyy but as as as the European Union. Here to smallest on the beaches is d we have a president now with south korea for example proposed the idea of one country two systems. And we never got a not so from north korea baby have to come to an mortal self to a mortal self of talking. So we can at least get some some reaction to that what is what is happening at of of the to the proposals. Which i now dead and and there are a lot of. I dont have any of the audience has heard anything theyd subscribe to or to which they would violently object. Very body who wants to make a comment. Alright okay lets go to our second question again from the audience. Dennis michael could we have your question please. You. Am and the last eight months weve seen some quite eroti. On the us president in your opinion of the United States under President Trump still a reliable ally. Thank you very much. Are staying with. Zytenz the lower loblolly yes they are because americas a strong democracy and they survive it President Trump i think. Although in comparison i mean. Bush was the liberal intellectual in comparison with trump taj has gotten through the worst but. And i guess the american. Americans have a strong democracy and we also have to talk to trump. Yeah and may be. He has to. The experience that some of has crazy ideas wont get support anywhere in the world. So. You want to be able to learn your party the mas insults as being pretty blunt and. Quite transient about. On these views about trump presently and he sent us houston of sowing chaos at home and abroad and. What freedom of speech so and i i would say thats distance how much distance do you want to put between you and . The trump administer what it that it doesnt have really to be polite to somebody who is insulting the whole world and. Danger in the world with his treats and all that and and. And. Going against every minority you would think off a so i think being blunt is a good thing to do and that make you feel better doesnt always in germanys interest to be blunt i think its. Its so that all sorts want to do so because if you. Dont do that if you it. Might have the impression that to get and can get away with that thats le doesnt bet any anybody thats thats doesnt benefit anybody so. Being bronx doesnt mean talking with them and maybe hes able to run i. Im an optimistic person so i would suggest maybe even trump is able to look thank you think a cd you meanwhile has been pondering to. Donald trump by promising that. Theyll meet the two percent of gdp spending on defense but only it nato leaders promise thats twenty four to that is one of the. Big questions and no election thats that the conservatives want to spend thirty million euro a year more form military and we rather want to spend that for education families and future. Yeah you signed up to this in twenty four dollars well no no nono. The was they talked about that it was never a decision of the government neither of the public in june yeah well your majesty memeluk condition and then signed up to it. None none i know that i dont michael said you know you are unreliable on this and whether he may say that bans that was no decisions the government neither decision of the parliament. So therefore i think thats a question of debate in our Election Campaign and for ministers. So its interesting to see that a. That doesnt count anymore to of the social democrats. When its is helped pep apparently helpful in an election. I think two percent is a very academic debates i think what we should agree on. Is that in a world that. Has increasing security challenges when we out required to take more responsibility for security. Will have to take more responsibility for stability no immediate neighborhood in the middle east and north africa. That we should to. A provide our military with the means necessary so that they can do these. Missions a with the best equipment possible. Whether that ultimately ends up to two percent is the statistical issue i would like. To broaden their perspective with talking about a three percent objective including what we need to spent on Development Aids on diplomacy. On other aspects of our integrated Foreign Policy but in this regard. More responsibility in the security environment is an important factor you want a bigger army. And that you think that helps you talk with a loud voice. We need at least to catch up on what we have. Excessively done in savings in the military for the last twenty years we also need to improve. A European Corporation s. As a chance the fed in the in the to doing speech we need to take more responsibility for our own. Destiny but im curious about why dont you need to do that in conjunction also was all European Partners im curious about why you want to spend more on defense because every time theres a crisis the german view is theres. No military solution in ukraine and crimea that was no military solution despite the fact that president putin had ha. Taken my himself in north korea there is no military solution without it has no military solution to these crises twenty one a bigger army for. One important aspect of deterrence is thats a. An army is necessary for not to have to be used in the imitation where youre not going to use it we have not more security challenges we have to support away and lost in this way near in poland. In other countries against the threat. From. From russia we have. Engagements missions of our military and the e. U. N. U. N. Mandates. In a number of countries in africa and i want to make sure thats so to that we have to send into into missions. With our personal vote in the bone the fact equipped in the best possible way. That to keep them out of harms. Plus now you k know. We didt hear you can use. The army and on the night table. So its having your goods the um