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>> we'll have enough for national how longer games. >> dickerson: we'll handicap the odds talk to candidate rick santorum and preview the world cup soccer final. all ahead on fakes the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. overnight u.s. and coalition forces launched intense airstrikes over raqqa. where step militants were killed. cbs news correspondent elizabeth palmer filed this report. >> this was one of the heaviest bombardments if not the heaviest since airstrikes began back in september. there was 16 strikes on various targets but most at least one bridge. all important for isis to move men and equipment around their territory. they're going to have a lot more trouble doing that now. many of the strikes appear to have been to the north of raqqa we know isis has been reinforcing on that front in anticipation some of kind of attack from the considereddish army. we may actually be witnessing a preparation for that. a softening up of that perimeter in order for full scale assault on very heart of isis territory in side raqqa city. some of the isis fighters were live tweeting the bombing as it happened they said that the city of raqqa was shaking. for "face the nation" i'm elizabeth palmer. >> dickerson: back here in the united states, american celebrated the 4th of july yesterday under heavy security. there were 7,000 additional officers on the streets of new york city and washington's national mall was also under tight watch. cbs news senior security contribute or and former number two at the cia michael morell joins us now. we got through the july 4th holiday is the heightened alertness, is that the new normal? >> john, there were three reasons why we were so focused on this weekend. one was large number of americans who have been radicalized by isis, 40 arrests sips the beginning of this year for people who want to conduct an attack here. or want to go fight in syria. the second reason was the call to arms by isis for the month of ramadan which mid june to mid july. then third, the 4th of july being symbol of america put all three together that's why we were so focused on this weekend. two of those remain after this weekend until mid july, one will remain for the foreseeable future. i do think is new normal. >> dickerson: we had two kinds of terrorist threats isis and al qaeda, which worries you more? >> in terms of quantity isis. because they can radical lies people here at home so easesly. but in terms of quality, in terms of size of the attack i think al qaeda is the biggest. al qaeda in yemen could bring down airliner, isis can't do that yet. >> dickerson: of those two which do you think u.s. has better handle on pushing back again? >> we have to push back on both. right now we probably doing better job on pushing back on al qaeda in yemen because we're conducting a series of strikes there against the leadership. with isis, biggest thing we have to do to change the momentum on the battlefield. perception is that isis is winning. that makes their narrative, that makes their call to arms so much more powerful. that is why today's strike is so important. tactical objective make it difficult to move men and weapons out of their capital to the rest of iraq and syria. but strategic objective is to put their leadership under pressure to make it look like they're losing and that will change the dynamic here if we keep it up. >> dickerson: let me jump on that point making it look like they're losing that has public relations benefittish social media where part of this battle is taking place. >> their social media so powerful for three reasons. one is their narrative powerful. we've established islamic america is trying to destroy us, defend us. defend us. second is the way they deliver it with their social media. couple hundred thousand tweets a day. madison avenue style quality. then third is this perception that they're winning, right which draws people to you. so you have to get at all of those but most important one i think to change the view of who is winning and strikes like this today matter. >> dickerson: in the larger effort against isis is your view that it can only be contained or can it be wiped out? >> i think we have to contape it first. then we have to wipe it out. so it can be wiped out. to wipe it out we have to take that territory away from them in both iraq and syria. not just one but both. and then we have to get after their narrative. we have to change that narrative. >> dickerson: so which was a significant attack, do you think it's a new stage? do you see this attack in raqqa as new stage? >> i hope so. i think in order to defeat a terrorist -- one of the big lessons we learned post 9/11 with al qaeda you have to keep pressure on leadership of the terrorist organization. do you that you make it more difficult for them to plot and because they're learning about their insecurity right? and so i think more strikes that you can do on their leadership the better off we're going to be. >> dickerson: mike morell, thank you so much. >> good to be with you, john. dickerson: we turn now to the talks between united states and iran over that country's nuclear program. deadline for deal is tuesday. cbs news foreign affairs correspondent margaret brennan is with the negotiators. >> negotiators here in vienna say progress is slowing. but there has been movement on two of the thorniest issues. first is sanctions. for the past years billions of dollars of iran's dollars have been frozen. they would be unlocked. further sanctions would be lifted over time as iran takes steps to freeze the nuclear program. there's another promising sign. weapons inspectors say that iran has agreed to cooperate with an investigation into charges that they secretly tried to develop weapons in the past. take ran is still stopping short of allowing inspectors into all suspected nuclear sites including military installations american diplomats tell us that this deal could still fail particularly if iran doesn't agree to a nuclear development over the next ten years or more. so secretary of state john kerry may need more than these next few days to hammer all of this out that could be a problem because congress wants a deal in their hands by july 9th. >> dickerson: margaret brennan in vienna, thanks, margaret. more on the iran deal we turn to the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, bob cork who are is in chattanooga, tennessee, this morning. senator corker, what worries you the most about these negotiations? >> we'll we've gone from dismantling the program to managing proliferation. that's the biggest concern that's already done. but right now we have the issues of are we going to have any time anywhere inspections. will we know what their past military dimensions, were. every person who ham come in to testify has talked about the importance of that. will the iaea ever be required to declare that iran over time has a civil program not a military program. there are numbers of issues. it's been going on a negative trend for some time and john, back to what your correspondent mentioned it's not congress that's pushing to have all the documents here by july the 9th. it's these six major countries plus iran that really on behalf of the american people they want congress only to have 30 days to review this deal instead of 60. that has been going on now for almost two years. it's amazing to me as we come to the end of this deal, the biggest issue of concern to these countries right now is that congress would only have 30 days, not 06 days to review the deal. i did talk to secretary kerry yesterday. i urged him to please take their time, try to make sure these last remaining lines that haven't been crossed they have crossed so many do not get crossed. qualitatively they don't make it worse than where it already is. just to be clear for people if they meet first deadline get it done by tuesday then congress will have 30 days to discuss it if they miss that deadline then congress will get 60 days to discuss it. let me ask you this question, senator corker, when you talk to secretary kerry what did you get from your conversation with him. is he too anxious to get a deal? >> well, obvious ly they're very anxious. i think they look at this as a legacy issue. i've had several conversations with him. and meetings to say look you create just as much of a legacy walking away from a bad deal as you do head long rushing into bad deal. look, i know they want to consue mate this. this has been going on the original discussions began back in 2003. i would just hope again that they would take their time and finish this in the best way that they can even though we've already gone down a bad track. one of the thing about this, john, is iran has done excellent job of getting these countries to focus on the ir1 centrifuges almost antique what we're going to end up with, the deal that we know about there's some other things working out right now. you have basically a ten-year pause in enrichment but what you're going to have during that time them continuing their ballistic missile development which is already very sophisticated. they're going to be able to continue their research and development as was mentioned they're going to have their sanctions released. they're going to have a country whose economy is growing rapidly that's going to have all kinds of over $100 billion of money to help create terrorism in the region. so they're going to be growing, they're going to be getting more savvy. after ten years something called the iranian nuclear development program, it's been agreed to. at that point where basically going to be able to industrial lies their program. by the way this is a program that has no practical needs. this was the baseline that concerns so many people. why would they have 19,000 ken trifinals they have no practical needs for. that there are lot of concerns. >> dickerson: are these concerns red lines for you senator or just things you'd like to button up in the deal here? >> well these have been their stated red lines. red lines that i'm talking about have been president obama's red lines. john kerry's red lines. the other country's red lines. yet those have all been crossed. the remaining red lines are anywhere, any time inspections. they're obviously making sure that we have full access to scientists and they declare what their past military dimensions were. you don't know what their capabilities are. there's almost no way to really gauge where they are. the iaea certainly has raise understand issue numbers of times. so those are two remaining red lines that hopefully will not be crossed, that's certainly what we talked about yesterday on the phone. then again to set this up, john, we're basically at a timeframe, after ten years in essence iran off and running again. then have situation where the iaea can declare that this is a civil program not a military program. no military dimensions to, me those are things that hopefully will not be crossed and haven't been crossed yet as they come to the close. again, we don't have the '-- only have 30 days to look at this instead of 60 which in itself should send a signal to americans, what's that about? >> dickerson: do you think iran is capable of complying with the deal? what is your baseline feeling about iran? >> one of the important elements of the iran nuclear review act which we passed through congress i think the president unfortunately had the ability to unilaterally put this in place by going straight to the u.n. security council. he was given sanction wafers through the national security waiver process. he doing to the u.n. security council. what we were able to pass in congress to take back some that have power johns the fact that after -- if the deal is reached the president has to certify every six months that iran is in compliance. look, i think no one trusts iran. i will say on the other hand the type of agreement that has been reached certainly is one that is more to their benefit than it is the rest of the world that does not want to see them proliferate. so we'll see. they're not in agreement right now, john. they're not in agreement that was put in place. >> dickerson: finally we have 30 seconds left i want to get your shots on the strike in syria. do you think it's new stage in administration's war against isis? >> i don't think so. this again is there. we still have not worked out an agreement with turkey on the air exclusion zones along the border which again would bring greater ground troop ability in. we still having issues with the train and equip program. you've read about that. i don't really look at this as new stage the president's strategy is one of containment in syria and in iraq. and i really don't see new developments. i'm not aware of any developments that would cause us to think that this is a new stage in the effort. >> dickerson: all right. thanks so much. we'll be backish one minute with more "face the nation." seven out of ten power outages in the us are caused by weather. but utilities can now predict where the power will go out, within a few city blocks. working with ibm they're combining micro weather forecasts with detailed data from local sensors. to predict where outages are likely to occur. and send crews exactly where they're needed, when they're needed. ibm analytics from the internet of things is making energy smarter every day. >> dickerson: back with minnesota democratic senator amy kolb cure who joins us. this possible deal with iran over nuclear program. is this really possible democrats will buck their president on the international stage and not approve of a deal that comes out of these negotiations? >> well, i think most senators are reserving judgment. we want to see what the deal is. and i want to thank senator corker who worked to come up with this review agreement so we have way to look at the agreement. i think no one knows what is going to happen at this point the president just said last week that he would walk away from a bad deal. simply waiting to see what the agreement is. some of us think that came out of the april preliminary framework are positive in terms of the inspections and other things. but since then we've heard words from the eye toll la how expect somehow congress would agree to just having them sign a piece of paper then all the sang, is that we worked so hard to put okay would go away. i don't think that is going to happen. i think everyone is united in this idea that we simply have to see what the agreement is before we jump in and say where we are on it. the talks are continuing the whole idea of the sanctions john, was to bring iran to the table to have these kind of negotiations. one of our top foreign policy to present iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> dickerson: clearly they are trying to affect the deal being negotiated because they worry once something is agreed to it gains momentum that cannot be stopped. to stop that momentum would require democrats to push back against it. that is a political matter. do you think that democrats would vote against their president? >> again democrats voted against president before, but i do think you see a lot of democrats simply want to see what the deal s. like the republicans we've been pushing for the strongest deal possible. the most detail possible. we know iran has cheated on the agreements and not followed up on them before. there are alarming things of what the eye tola said. that's why we want to see what the agreement is. no one wants to rush to judgment. >> dickerson: now to another country, troublesome in the past in the relationship with the united states, cuba. that week the president announced he's opening embassy. you've been working very hard on bill to increase trade open trade to cuba. but those who are opposed to these normalizing actions point to couple of things. they point to u.s. fugitives being held. one shot new jersey patrolman. violator of human rights. what evidence is there that cuba is changing its behavior in the light of all of these new overtures from the united states? >> first of all the big news this week, john, was that opening ever the embassy and announcements that that is going to happen. i think that is going to help with these negotiations. not only are more americans interested in going to cuba so that they can use an embassy not only need more negotiations on what is happening with the economics there but finally our personnel going to go out into the field, meet with dissidents, meet with exiles where they are and work on these issues and negotiate these human rights concerns. ment pope is coming to cuba. i don't think he's going to be shy about bring up human rights issues. i think 4 years of failed policy when haven't seen change in the government that we'd like means we need change. i am excited about the possibility not only for cuba but for america as well in terms of producing those and ending american goods to country of 11 million people, 09 miles off our shore. >> dickerson: now we're going to turn to politicser that is big weekend for campaigning on july 4th. bernie sanders is getting bigger crowds than anyone else running why do you think that is? >> well, i came into the senate with bernie, john, he is someone who speaks from the heart. he is someone who always had strong grass roots following i'm not surprised by this at all. what i do think we need to look at here is strong support of hillary clinton that -- she's also running a good campaign all the latest polls show ahead of number of her republican opponents. so the fact that he is in this race i think is a good thing for my party. i think it's healthy to have these kind of debates she's said the same thing. >> dickerson: do you think democrats are getting something from bernie sanders that r they're not getting from hillary clinton? >> i think you're hearing many ideas coming from both, very similar about economics in terms of trying to help the middle class, help kids get student loans and help seniors feel comfortable in their retirement. these are things that hearts and minds of americans. what i heard during the five parades i did on 49th of july. very focused on these issues. i saw the kind of operation hillary clinton running down there. it is grass roots. it is strong. i'm looking forward to debates but i think when you look what is happening around america people are focused on the issues of what the democrats are talking about. >> dickerson: thanks for joining us. back in a moment with look at straight talking presidential candidates. stay with us. caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am her best friend. i am her ally. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to her current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition. and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. vo: namenda xr doesn't change how the disease progresses. it shouldn't be taken by anyone allergic to memantine, or who's had a bad reaction to namenda xr or its ingredients. before starting treatment, tell their doctor if they have or ever had, a seizure disorder, difficulty passing urine liver, kidney or bladder problems, and about medications they're taking. certain medications, changes in diet, or medical conditions may affect the amount of namenda xr in the body and may increase side effects. the most common side effects are headache, diarrhea and dizziness. all my life, she's been there for me. now i am giving back. ask their doctor about once-daily namenda xr and learn about a free trial offer at namendaxr.com. >> dickerson: politicians are supposed to tell the truth. on this july 4th weekend we praise our founders for their honesty, enrace employees have said george washington could not tell a ply. but these days we're starving for a little candor which is why chris christie promised to tell it like it is when he announced his candidacy this week. >> i mean what i say and i say what i mean and that's what america needs right now. >> dickerson: new jersey governor is latest in long line of politicians who promised to put the candid in candidate. here is barack owe bama in 2008 campaign. >> >> we need to tell them what they need to hear. tell them the truth. >> dickerson: ran in 2000 again in 2008 john mccape called his bus the straight talk express. in 1976 jimmy carter said -- >> i would not tell a lie. i would not mislead. >> dickerson: running on the truth and honesty ticket implies you're not calculating but made calculated decision to seem that way. it also suggests you're going to do more than just tell the truth, you're going to tell a deep truth. that's a very high bar. these candidates all want to be perceived like harry truman. >> usually someone in the crowd would yell "give 'em hell, harry" truman would reply "that's exactly what i intend to do." >> truman said things no candidate is brave enough to say these days. >> if you stay at home as you did in 1926 keep these reactionaries in power you'll deserve every blow you get. >> he criticized voters he was trying to get to vote for him. >> if they don't do that, they're the most ungrateful people in the world. just what i've said, they are most ungrateful people in the world. >> dickerson: usually we let other people testify to our truthfulness and don't boast about it. like what margaret thatcher used to say about being a lady. if you have to tell people you are, you might not be. back in a moment. se and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come. [whirring drones] just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. ♪ [whirring drones] ♪ no sudden movements. ♪ [screaming panic] ♪ [whirring drones] google search: bodega beach house. ♪ ♪ [drones crashing] ♪ >> dickerson: some of our stations are leaving us now but for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." in cluing former pennsylvania republican senator rick santorum. stay with us. >> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." joining froes charleston, south carolinas republican presidential contender rick santorum. senator, when you were in the senate you spent a lot of time thinking about the iran issue i wanted to start with what we've heard from secretary kerry who said in a press conference just moments ago at this point negotiations could go either way. what is your feeling about these negotiations? >> well, i've been very clear from the beginning. i think this is unwise move by the part of the president. as was mentioned by both senator klobuchar and senator corker. iran is never kept an agreement. there's an agreement where they that have to report on 12 items to the united nations that's bin place now for four years. they partially answered two questions. the agreement that's in place right now they're not living up to that. why do auto think that all of a sudden that we give them billions of dollars looks like right off the top but there's somehow never going to come around after they gotten what they really want which is the money that they're going to come around now pay attention to these restrictions. this is a folly from its foundation. >> dickerson: all right, i'm going to pivot to issue that you talked about this week in the wake of the supreme court's ruling on same-sex marriage some of your competitors in the republican race said the issue has been decided the country needs to move on. you have taken a different position you said, no, there needs to be a conversation and you're trying to lead that conversation, you said that the ruling potentially, quote disrupts the foundation of the world. what does that mean? >> i said three things. number one that there's real real question about the role of our courts in our society justice scalia said it best. when we subordinate the rights of the people to nine unelected jumps we can no longer are called a democracy. the court hears justice roberts said, there's no constitutional basis for what they did. they just acted out of as one said, a whim. that is not how democracy function or republic function, are we going to stand up to the court in doing something that's really outside of the bounds. number two there's assault on religious liberty here. the court basically said churches, you're allowed to teach what you want but didn't say you're allowed to practice what you want. that is again a huge infringement on the foundational right that we have which is first amendment. third, the point you make, that it's -- it's a further erosion of this founding -- down additional building block of society which is the nuclear family. this goes further over the last years we've seen degradation of the nuclear family, no doubt about it. they put the nail in the coffin that we now disconnect the nuclear family from the idea that it's there for the purpose of having and raising children. marriage no longer about kids. simply about adults. i think that -- now that united states still moral leader of the world that we've now disconnected marriage from children, i think that has proceed found consequences not just for america but for the world. >> dickerson: can i talk about those consequences in your remarks you said that children need a mother and father to have a stable, healthy home you said also that they need heterosexual parents will love those children and raise them to be good citizens of america. can same-sex couples not raise children to achieve those same things? >> i think what we have to do as society, orient ourselves to what is best. what we know is best from thousands of years of human history is for children to be raised with mothers and fathers preferably but not always, but preferably biological mothers and fathers certainly adoptive moments are great, too. but if we are going to try to aim for the best, we have to have laws that orient society to what is best. we have laws that say fathers don't have to raise your children, mothers, you know, we're going to provide all sorts of things that make fathers less necessary, if you will. if you have laws that say marriage isn't about children, now for the first time in history of our country a majority of children born out of wedlock, which is about 40-545% of children in america today are born in homes that the father is still living. that's huge increase in this. why? because we have now said marriage isn't -- having children nothing to do with marriage so people aren't getting married. that's not a good situation to maximize the potential for each and everyone of our children. that is really what i'm talking about here is setting policies that orient ourselves toward the best, which is healthy, stable family for children. >> dickerson: quickly, which is better for families, which is more of challenge to families, divorce and adultery and out of wedlock births or same sex marriage, which is worse, if you had to spend your time prioritizing on one of the two. >> as you know, john, i've been oriented on that focused on that for a long time i wrote a book called "it takes a family." didn't talk very much about gay marriage, it wasn't as big of a topic. i talked a lot about the break down of the institution of marriage, roles that fathers play 96% of americans are in those types of tradition familiar homes. that is the bigger problem. so i would agree with you that we need to focus a lot more time and energy on reliving the american family, allowing children to have the best opportunities to suing seed injured like to get your thoughts now on some remarks that one of your competitors donald trump played. let me play this clip from his announcement speech. >> sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs they're bringing crime they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> dickerson: he's talking about mexicans there in that comment. what is your reaction? >> my reaction is i certainly wouldn't have said those things. i don't agree with his comments obviously. the vast majority of people coming legally into this country from mexico and other places are people who want to do the right thing. people who are coming illegally are coming with a bad intent, let's be honest. coming with clear intent of breaking the law. i don't think we should sugar coat that but that doesn't mean everybody who is coming across is a rapist or murderer or anything else. obviously they are break can the law. donald points to very important thing. which is we have serious problem, illegal immigration in this country. that is undermining american workers. we have 1 million illegal immigrants in this country, that are flattening out wages lowering the standard of living for people who are here legally both -- mostly by the way biggest impact ever illegal immigrants is illegal immigrants who played by the rules are coming to this country because we said we want you to come in here and they're the ones being punished by all of this illegal immigration. i don't like verbiage he's used i like the fact that he is focused on very important issue for american workers, particular illegal immigrants. >> dickerson: mitt romney said this is not good for the party it was hurting the party. when i talked to vote smears may think you're not going to make it all the way to the presidency they say i like having rick santorum in the republican party, do you feel that way about donald trump? >> well, donald trump i've gotten to know donald, he's a unique individual, let's just put it that way. he's not someone that as i can say with all the others, who i would like to have as president that's why i'm running for president. we have the best ideas that's going to unite this country and create the best opportunity for people to rise. that's really what i'm focused on. i don't rye to comment too much on whether someone is good for the nomination, if i thought they were that good i wouldn't be running. >> dickerson: thanks so much for joining us, we'll be right back our political panel. stay with us. >> dickerson: we're back to talk politics with molly balance of the atlantic magazine. plus we're joaned by politico's michael learn, peter baker white house correspondent to the "new york times" and fernando espueles is former univision host welcome to all of you that was rick santorum not exactly embracing donald trump another one who is running who distancing from his remarks. but i want to play a clip from jeb bush who took it one step further talked about the party. let's listen to it. >> but politically we're going to win when we're hopeful and big and broad rather than grrr angry all the time. that is an exaggerated form of that. there is no tolerance for it. >> dickerson: wonder how that will look on the transcript. fernando is this a pig problem for republicans or just one of those moments that will pass. >> i think it's a big problem it plays into a larger narrative that the republican party is hostile to hispanics and hispanic voters in particular. and that last comment we just heard from governor bush actually is after his first comment which was it's wrong. and avoided the whole question. i think a lot of the candidates have had a bit of trouble trying to deal with what trump said but had not wanted to cross the line to criticize him. >> dickerson: mike? >> they're afraid of him. reason that senator santorum didn't just say no to your last question is that trump has a very specific constituency. he's second in new brunswick now. it goes beyond the sort of kardashian, car crash appeal, it's this sort of anti-washington, mad at politics remember few years ago they were going to trump trying to get his endorsement because he does have a following they're afraid a of alienating the people who like him. and b go afraid of him going after them. >> dickerson: donald trump has said he's not backed away. he has not sort of gone away from from from these remarks he's jumped in with both feet he's just telling a truth that the rest of the republicans are mealy mouthed. >> obviously about 10-15% of the republican base who believe that very, very passionately. you see the candidates are not just afraid of trump but they're sort of afraid that have segment of the base. and ability to get very passionate to rise up particularly over this issue of illegal immigration. you see jeb bush someone who said that he was going to run in a way that would be willing to lose the primary to win the general election but took him two weeks to respond to these comments by donald trump he seemed to be hiding from it. this is someone who also said that as someone who is married to a mexican woman, whose children are mexican-american he takes this personally but i think a lot of hispanic voters are going to wonder why then did it take him so long to express that. >> dickerson: just to give you sense of the spectrum in the conversation jeb bush who a year ago said that people come to america because they do it for love. the other side of donald trump. pete are the "washington post" said democrats love this, do you think so? >> they had their division on trade, they were at war with their president, of course they rather republicans be talking about things that the republicans don't want to talk about. their own division on immigration or their own divisions or same-sex marriage. call the candidates are against same-sex marriages but there are degrees. they are uncomfortable they know lot of their base still believes this is a wrong decision morally and legally, lot of republicans who feel differently. it's been striking to see not reaction to same-sex marriage but conservative reaction to same sex marriage which number have embraced this as a reasonable thing. others aren't. they don't want to talk about that. >> dickerson: donald trump is likely to be on that first stage on the debate, do you think that matters, that it's a problem for others? >> he soaks up air time that others would like. this week on tuesday march corubio will be in chicago giving a speech '21st century jobs. tech and innovation. next day donald trump we've learned kicking off five-day, five state tour, going to be in california where there is huge attention to these remarks. nevada arizona, louisiana florida. louisiana, virginia. which of those do you think is going to get more attention? on the stage you would think that chris christie would be the big presence about -- need to be on the stage if i'm republican i really want her to be on the stage for the optics. donald trim within name recognition hard to not qualify. >> dickerson: molly the another one, chris christie, mike just mentioned him. where is he in the -- large group of people the president said it was like the hunger games, where does he fit in the play? >> he seems to be near the basement at this point. he's looking to new brunswick as his only chance to redeem himself. he's doing these small events, you have to wonder. the other problem for him is that new hampshire is the window. it's jeb bush's only hope. if john kasich is going to get any lift. it's a crowded field there in new hampshire. i think christie faces the name problem rick perry does where there is just a plausibility hurdle for him with a lot of voters because he's been so damaged, because they're inclined not to trust him. down they're going to wonder if he is the first choice. >> at least not segments of the republican voters are strongly for this candidates are able to be shaken off. you go into these debates, you make a splash, say something interesting, you grab somebody's attention, you suddenly can reshift the field. chris christie as path looks kind of hard to see. but such an open feel right now. never seen it in republican primary in our lifetime. >> i was just going to say yet again most of the candidates have very little support and i think our functional ly invisible to the voters. i think the debates will be critical. i think donald trump's involvement in those debates are very interesting from television standpoint, i think is going to dedo rail that debate. because people have to respond to him in some fashion they can't run away from him like other people have. >> dickerson: should chris christie have jumped at his chance sible to 12 when people were flying from iowa, people were gathering in conference rooms to say please run, is that the lesson in presidential politics these days? >> a lesson long ago. barack owe bama, that's why senator warren will never be hotter. it's surprising that she didn't go this time. chris christie now has a problem. not just on that bridge. but that there are so many other established candidates who are soaking up his money and his votes. lot of jeb bush money the votes, john kasich getting later this month, any support he gets in new hampshire where molly is right, certainly people are banking on it. those are chris christie votes as well. you saw a mash up of the announcements. why people like him. what is appeal in kind of angry country where people don't know who to trust. but it's very tight. >> dickerson: chris christie did something else this week that was a little bit extraordinary he had a slumber party with marco rubio stayed up all night playing air hockey. they didn't do that. what role did mitt romney play, he spoke out against donald trump. all the candidates, jeb bush, what patrol is he playing in this? >> very interesting to look at sort of the long arc of mitt romney since 012 becoming elder statesman of the party. a lot of us expected him to disappear after he lost that election go back to his private life where he certainly is very comfortable. it seemed like he didn't really like the spotlight as a candidate yet he campaigned so aggressively for candidates, earned himself so much goodwill in 2014 in the mid terms. since then he's been a leader for the party in saying the things that the establishment republicans believe that candidates afraid to say he was first one to come out strongly against the confederate flag. it was after that others said, me too. trump came out said, no, we don't like this, this is wrong then a lot of candidates followed him. on the one hand it's indictment much the other candidates and not really showing leadership on some of these issues. these very toxic issues for the party. on the other hand i think it's very interesting and surprising that romney has become such an elder statesman. it was so obvious, such a missed opportunity for these other candidates. they haven't even really said me too. lot of what we said mealy mouths. he's playing king maker with the slumber party now. this week. >> dickerson: switch now to the other party. bernie sanders is big crowds, he's got the excitement right now. democratic party maybe all the parties, what do you make of his campaign? >> i think he's also talking to an angry group of voters who feel disillusioned by the democratic party, the system in general. here you have a very articulate voice of disseptember that he's saying things that perhaps make him unelectable but at the same time have natural appeal. idea of fairness and equality all those things that he's playing very strongly on are going to be critical talking points for any democratic candidate. maybe not the right vessel. >> dickerson: he wins authenticity points. peter baker, hillary clinton was out campaigning, a different image came out of her campaign. a piece of rope that was around her, does that matter? >> enforces our role as a herd. it's unfortunate for her i think provides image that looks scripted and looks controlled it looks keeping her away from any questions that might actually trip her up. she's not out there answering a lot of questions you saw that picture of jeb bush waiting into the crowd. iep the questions are uncomfortable. has not given that impression. the rope doesn't help. that is a small thing but definitely feeds into a narrative. >> dickerson: michael learn, what is the real threat from bernie sanders? >> there's no threat. if something bad happens to senator clinton not going to be any one thing it's the death by a thousand cuts. clinton people will send that you about a third of democrats are willing to talk about somebody else. from owe mall ly to warren to senator sanders, but it's always about a third. eventually as she puts out more progressive policy will get some that have back. but the excitement about him is authentic. his crowds are not just big, they're the biggest of either canned r party. you go on -- you go on peter's website, "new york times," look what people are searching for. the last day last week, last month there's only two candidates who show up on that list. it's donald trump and bernie sanders. people are actually interested in him. >> like donald trump the republicans, the other party sort of loves the idea of bernie sanders being the candidate of the authentic democratic base. they can say see this is what they all want they're all social listss deep down in their heart. shouldn't compare the two bernie sanders is a serious person, a senator but there is that same element of protest vote of candidate saying something the front run serai frayed to say. what hillary clinton so far has been afraid to say is we've got to take down the rich. we've got to take down the crows and billionaires that is would be surprise understand we hear fit hillary. >> dickerson: thanks so much. i want to thank our panel we'll be back in a moment with a preview of tonight's big soccer game. behalf why are we watching this again? 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