Behavior. Cohen told congress mr. Trump remains involved in paying hush money to porn film actress evenafter arriving in the white house and directed him to lie about it. California pla a prominent role in the House Oversight hearing. Te the s has sticks members on the panel and some of the most pointed questions came from ro khanna, and Southern California representative katie hill. Californias Republican Party has picked a new ader, the first woman and first latina to head theop. Joining me to discuss all of this are scott schafer, jason clark, bay area regiona vice chair of the california Republican Party, and t kopin, joining us via scape in the nations c titol. What a ripple effects in washington following the Michael Cohen testimony. Will w be seeing additional investigations of people he implicated including President Trumps son, donald jr. And his cfo, allen wisenberg. The short answer is, yes, were going to see more investigations, in s ways, Michael Cohens testimony was thef kickoffats going to be several long months for the Trump Administration. You know, he was actually up on capitol hil for three days this week testifying only one day was pick that s the one before t Oversight Committee, and that committee has already said want to bring before them every one he mentioned by name in his theyrey and what really going to have jurisdiction over is looking at some of these ethical a issues financial issues, really diving ando the Trump Organization the Trump Foundation was mentioned in his testimony. Tse types of things are really the domain of the Oversight Committee and then we already have the Intelligence Committee whe michael hen also appeared in a classified setting thats investigating a lot of the russia issues and then the Judiciary Committee is alsoes inteed in most of this and has put pieces of both where falls in sort of the criminal legal sphere. So youre going to see all of thosecommittees begin to sort of start diving in and untangling what they see as web leading to President Trump. And what we saw on tv this week, scott, was quite exraraordinary, andtic and going back to the House Oversight committee, the publice ing, there are six californians who are members of that committee. What stood out for you in their line of questioning . We heard from jackie spear, ro khanna, katie hill from Southern California. Harley ruda from orange thing. Raordinary thing ecord the that this hearing ham happened. Democrats didnt have any power. Now they do. I think in some ways, this is a huge sta for two freshmen in particular, but i think, you know, jackie spear is an attorney, ro khanna is an attorney, and i think in some ways they really got to the heart of me things buthe one exchange that i think has really gone viral is when jackie spear asked hcohen, many times has mr. Trump asked you to threaten a person or an institution, 50 times, more, a hundred times, more, and that has now become a meme erats all the internet and i think in some ways its more funny than anything, although it does indicate just what kind of operation michaelh was part of. And jayson, youre watching this and whats going throughd . Your mi what are the key take aways from cohens testimony for you as a member of the Republican Party . Well, i think its a big charade. The demo ats dot like this president and they are trying as much as posible to just take him out. The mueller investigaon hasnt given them really anything credible to directly tie him to any wrong doing, so they have reduced themselves to dragging a disbarred lawyeree who has known to lie to come and tell a big story to thecommittee, and it makes for great television. It makes for a big distraction t the north korea summit that was happeninge same time but as weve seen already, mr. Cohen is being referred to the Justice Department for perjury based on his testimony to congress. Do nt it strike you th none of the republicans came to President Trumps defense, that they were all there to impugn michaelcohen, why didnt they stand up and defend the president . I think its a complete charade. You have somebody whos known to be a liar and whos making things up as he goes. Me lied on behalf of the president. The president directed him to lie. Hes the ypresident s attor and as an attorney myself, i find it very discoaging and disturbing that when the president relied on him for legal advice, he didllegal things. When the president hires a lawyer, when anyone hires a nt lawyer, they he lawyer to follow the law, to keep them out of legal trouble and its clear here that Michael Cohen did not do lat. Let tal get a word in here. I was going to say it speaks to the complicated way tha these hearings play out. You know, some of the members sort of treat it a if its a trial, except theres no jury or judge. Youre sort of appealing to the American People at home, and that sort of seemed to be what republican strategy writ large wa geared around, was this notion of less just, impugn the character of Michael Cohen as waof signaling to the American Public that they shouldnt believe what he said but you also saw member sort of look a this as an opportunity to begin to establish a record. This is sort of the approach as, for example, alexandria ocasio kor t cortez and ro khanna established things that the committee can turn around and subpoena,ki lo like they were more preparing footnotes for an eventual report that the committee might put out. Thats sort of why it feels so thdisjointed sometimes iy are all trying to accomplish different things. And moving beyond the hearing itself in terms of what happens next, what are some of the challenges now for democrats, for example, because you have liberal lawmakers on the one hand saying, hey, lets find a way to start te impeachment process. I think pelosi knows that impeachment is annrently political thing and if you do it in a partisan way, mes going to back and bite you just the way it did to the republicans when they impeached bill clinton. It isnt just the mueller investigation, youve got the Southern District of new york, the u. S. Attorney, Michael Cohen said hes in Constant Contact with. If iere donald trump o republicans i would be concerned about where thats going. Quite apart from the mueller investigation. And what about the republicans, jason who keep on standing by the president throughout this . What are the risks they face . Well,think theres a risk actually that if we break party unity then a lot of e ings, the agenda items that donald trump wants to get done, such as Immigration Reform and like thatly wont actu get done because well be too busy infighting. I want toalso talk about gavin newsome, because the washington this week attending a conference of governors and attended a white house dinner hosteden by pres trump. I know you covered that visit. What is his biggest challenge now as hes trying to build relationships in washington, d. C. , t relationships wie Trump Administration at a time when california has filed at least 45 lawsuits against whi house policies. Yeah, it was sort of funny. I was standing outsides. The senate chamber, and off the elevator walks gavin nsome who s coming around with senator instein, so i actually spoke with him for about three minutes and in three minutes, that due al was on full display. On the one hand, he said he has had many conversations with president trumboth in person d over the phone and hes really making a concerted effort to build an open line of communication and a nonpolitical relationship so that when as dir happens, like the wildfires la year that he knows he can have a relationship with trump and make sure that the state gets thef rel it deserves. In that samtime, conversation, had e sort of he sort of dropped into conversation that his state was leading the lawsuit challenging the National Emergency declaration to move funds to build the southern border so hes really strike thaddling line. It seems to me hes trying to, in direct conversatial with dtrump kind of keep the temperature down and let them both go back to their corners and st offfer the mouthpiece roles that each of them has to play. And i want to focus also on state polits because we had the state Republican Party convention recently and theres a whole new roster of people ini officluding you in your new position, and it made some escredible news because the new chair isca patterson, anrst latina to hold the position, first w to hold the position. Jason, what issues can we expect to see athetop of her agenda as she takes over . Well, i know one of the many things at the top of her agenda is outreach to communities that sometimes republicans have traditionally ignored, latinos, young asian americans, the older generations traditionally voted republican, and youngege rations are not, so i know that shes going to make a real effort to target them forou each and voter registration. I would say jim brulte who hen the chair for six years, that was very much at the top of his agenda as well. He was very effective in a lot of ways. The problem is they have a mountain worth of problems that they have to climb, and no the least of which is having donald trump in the white house, i mean, katherineak a moderate republican in the bay area lost her reelection to the assembly, she said having an r next to her name was toxic for voters. People liked her but they didnt like the party. Ots been 12 years since the republicans have a statewide office. Schwarzenegger was the last along with steve poisner. They have real work to do. Its going to take a lot more than outreach. They have to change their image and come up with candidates that are appealing n just to republicans but to independent voters as well. Do you think the fact that patterson ist o, will that help with latino candidates in california, especially many have been fe ving noty fond of the Republican Party because of their stand on illegal imigration. S helpful always to have a fresh face and someone whos a woman and someone who tina, its a great talking point but as i said the party is so step with what california is on immigration, Climate Change and gun control and other issues, its tough for her, a little bit like rearranginge deck chairs on the titanic. You can seen 18, some latina republican candidates nationally lost their fet under theht of some of the parties moves on immigration. Youll get Carlos Carbello in florida,an a moderate campaign on the forefront of getting moderate reform in congress. It was not enough to save their seats back in the district. To a certain extent sometimes the wins are just so hard nationally, it can be very difficult back home. We will have to leave it there. Tal with the chronicle in wa ington, d. C. , thank yr joining us via skype, and thanks to Scott Shaffer and also jason clark for being here. Nice to havhayou all. You. Thank you. Now to an International Development thatsedeing closely in the bay area. Resident trump and north Korean Leader kim jong un abruptly ended their summit in vietn this week after they failed to reach a deal toi denucle the korean nspeniula. President trump wanted in exchange for closing one nuclear site. North koreas foreignis mer disagreed saying north korea wanted partial sanctions released to end its enrichment of nuclear material. Secretary of state mike pompeo and President Trump stressed progress had been made since the first meeting bween thewo leaders last year in singapore. Joining us now is yan lee Deputy Director of the korea praogram t stanford university. Thank for having me. You wrote an article for the diplomat. One day after the article, the summit ends, how would you characterize their relationship now. I think it did abruptly end, butstheir relationship se to be still in not bad term seems like when trump walked away, he did mentionat heyre still willing to negotiate. One thing that was noticeable is that when north korea presented this result in their own domestic s, they never mentioned that trump walked away, that theyre still working towards making progress, so i think both of them are trying to maintain the close ties, and trying to be hopeful of what might come up next. This was their second summit in eight months. They had much more time thisro timed than they did during the talks in singapore to prepare, to kind of think aouad what the deal might be. So why wasnt progress, more progress made. Yes, it is somewhat unexpected. Even the north korean, when the u. S. Diplomatic teams met together earlier or last week, k to actually ut the details before going into the summit. But this happene there seems to have been an unexpected factor that came up during their talks. What do you think that factor was . I think the North Koreans wantedt something biggen was initially discussed upon, and rightfully so, i think President Trump backed out of that deal. Role do you f a think the politics in this country had in what happened during those talks in vietname beca was overseas, but im sure that the north korean, esp nially kim jong un cou miss the drama that was unfolding here wico the michael en testimony. Did that affect President Trumps standing and leverage in t negotiations . That is a veryercorrect otion. The North Koreans observed u. S. Politics very closely. Ananthey know that there is election cycle here, and i think they followed the recent turn of events with the cohen testimony yesterday, a few days ago. And maybe i think that factored into their decision of okay, maybe trump is willing to strike a bigger deal to divert attention to this, and maybe they put on a bigger package than they had initially agreed upon. And maybe hopefully assuming a trump would actually bite it. What kinds of sanctions are they most focussed on . What do they want lifted . So one thing we learn out of this is that sanctions really do matter for them, right, it was the sanctions that they were really key o and s ive actually done research on sanctions myself. Youre an econist. I am, and i was looking into how sanctions affected the north korea economy. Especially until 2013 or so, the elite tried to shield negative impact of sanctions at the cost of the marginal interland, but the recent round of sanc ons, the so called maximum pressure sanctions that were levied since 2016 target exports, coal, iron ore, minerals, which are the major source of revenue for that coury, and restri ban on imports of oil or luxury goods, and what that does is it targets the elites of pyongyang, and they are the ones who are fuelling the brunt of the pain now as well, and the elites matter to kim jong un, i mean. So the elites are starting to hurt, then you would think that the pressure on kim jong un will be building, right. Thats right. To get these sanctions lifted, so what do you think he will d next . Is there a risk here that he will escalate Nuclear Fuel Production to put pressu t on presideump to lift those sanctions . Well, i think that would be a risky move. And first of all, yesterday the North Koreans actually gave a press release where their foreign minister said that they would notontinue sting. I think thats the right direction. Once they start testing, that would basically move back to ground zero, so i think thats not th way they would want to pursue this, but i think maintaining channels of negotiation and conversation will be the critical point forward for them to try t relax some sanctions and develop the economy. And so what do you think wol needappen now to bring them back to the negotiation tab . It is a difficult situation. But i think they will try to maintain some sort of way to communicate with the u. S. Obviously didnt materialize but currently the past couple of months, i believe the North Koreans and u. S. Diplomatic have been in good relations so if they ntinue this path, there might be hope for them, a better outcome. L quickly, 15 seconds left, President Trump also said ahat he and kim jong un discussed the of otto warmbier, the American College student who died last year after being imprisoned in north korea and said he takes kim ng un at his word that he didnt know about warmbiers medical condition. Is that possible that he know . t that i am also a bit skeptical that he wouldnt know about this. Given how grave the situation was, i would imagi he would have known. All right. Yong lee puty director of stanfords program. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. We turn our attention now police misconduct, a joint investigation by several news i organizationsncluding kqed has brought to light a lengthy previously secret list of Police Officers accusedimof cs. A New California law allows the media and the public to request Certain Police records that were previously inaccessible. The newly released records reveal a disturbing reality. In the last ten years,olearly 12,000e officers have committed crimes ranging from shoplifting to embezzlement to childpornography. Attorney general bacerra is responding forcefully, threatening legal action against reporters who have obtained the documents. Here is one of the reporters, robert lewis of the uc berkeley reporting program as well as thomasee an Investigative Reporter who covered Government Accountability andic records for the east bay times. With k to both of welcome to both of you. Thank you. The records you obtained cover Law Enforcement officers over the past decade, 12,000 in all, and people who were applying to be Police Officers. What were some of theost egregious crimes you uncovered. Everything you can imine. Its everything fro s shoplifting, petty theft to stealing money from the department, domestic violence. Murder. Someone robbed a bank wearing a fake beard. That was covered some in the local media. S, it is a pretty broad range. And how many officers are still on the job . We dont know that. So the agency that gave it to us as well as the Attorney Generals Office refu say who on this list is actually a current or former officer as opposed to say an applicant. Were trying to analyze it. Its one of the things were doing now. We know there are officers who havecommitted crimes, who have been convicted of crimes who are currently working in the state of californiaas peaceofficers, we just dont know how many. And these records were provided by the california commissice on p officer standards and training in response to routine peqlic recordssts and thomas, this takes place amid a larger battle over californias new Police Transparency law which took effect january 1st, known as senate bill 1421. Explain what that does. It opens police disc records. Officers who were found who have committed sexual assault, whh is define broadly in the law, and also edishonestyted offenses, lied in a report, omanted evidence on someone. Those records b public, they also release recor of serious use of force incidents incling officerinvolved shootings. Regardless of what the disciplinary outnvme of the tigation of that incident was. And then how are Law Enforcement groups responding to this new aw . There are Numerous Police unions around the state who have gone to court seeking temporary restraining orders trying to block release of the recor claiming that the law is not retroactive. Five judges have ruled so far on the temporary restraining orders. Four judges have ruled in favor of disclothre. Ande records have stayed secret for so long. The public has never had a chance to look at them, and on a separate issue, the records that you go fell under a different law, but state attorney general Javier Bacerra is threatening legal action against you as well, and other reporters who have obtained details about the roughly 12,000 officers who have been convicted of crimes. He says he has privacy concerns. To give you alile bit of a background, there is, within the state of california and within the Attorney Generals Office, a data base of convictions for everybody, not just peace officers, curr t andformer, and there was a technical change in the law that aowed this accrediting body called post to more easily label people within their data base as being disqualified from being peace officers andof sort to comply with that law,asically they went to the state doj and said give us a list of everyone in our dataase who has been convicted of a crime, and thats at the ags office prepared and gave to this post commission, and my understanding is what they were going to do is go throu it and figure out who in their database they should flag being disqualified from serving in Law Enforcement. Police unions say the whole situatiois unfair, making all of these documents public because they say theyre still mandated broad Public Disclosure of crimes by otherfe pionals like doctors and teachers, are they being singled out . Neif an should be singled out, it should be Government Employees who have the most power against any individual californian. They have the right to take their liberty away. Rt and if cin circumstances where they can take your life away. These are the employee should know the most about, not the least. For 40 years in california, we have known the least about the conduct ofoce officers and what they get disciplined for within their ranks. We also know that incrediblyge high percentf Police Officers are honorable Public Servants who risk theirives every s day e people, to help californians, its kind of mind boggling to think that those who carry themselves at the highest ethical standards wouldnt want the disclosure about those who dont. As weed menti youre both part of a broad reporting project that includes kqed looking at police misconduct. In the end, what is the bigger picture, robert that youre hoping to give the public by gaining access to these misconduct records. Tom alluded to it, its Building Trust in the system. I think the public has an oversight role. We the publicpo eer Law Enforcement and Law Enforcement officers to have these capabilities of taking , liber taking life torks prote, to pro we then have responsibility to provide some measure of oversight, and without the information weant serve that function and i give you just one tiny example thats a local le, one of the officers i mentioned in the story was a San Francisco cop who wasty pleaded gui to accessing confidential information inappropriately. Around the sametime, there was another officer also within the sco Police Department convicted of basically the same crime. Now, both of those were handl by internal affairs, and the ffpd so it seems like they took it seriously but because neither of thosees cere reported, there was no public discussion over the controls of confidential information. We the public lost out on the ability to provide that oversight role. I know theres certainly more to come withhi youre both still continuing to investigate this. Robert lewis with the Uc Berkeley Investigative Reporting Program and thomas peel with the bay area news group. Thank you both. Youre welcome. Thank you. Before we , we would like to mark the passing of san rancisco public defender jeff adochi, he died at the age of 59. The states only elected publicd ender. He was a tireless advocate for criminal Justice Reform including ending cash bail for criminal defendants and defending immigrants facing deportation. He appeared on our program to talk about a bill latsa passed infrancisco to eliminate the hefty fees and fines criminal defendants have to repay when theyre released from jail. We want to encourage people to live productive lives, crime free lives, not fee like they have to break the law in order to support their families, and a lot of people are in this situation, and so if youre going to burden them with fines an fees, its kind of like a payday loan, in a sense, you plead guiltynd a lot of people plead guilty just to get out of jail because they cant afford bail, and then when they get out of jail, they have this huge debt on their back, and whats going to happen, theyre ing to feel more pressure to do something desperate in order to pay these fines and fees. And there will be a Public Memorial Service forjeff adochi on monday at 11 00 a. M. At San Francisco city hal w thl do it for us. As always, you can find more of our coveraget or kqenewsro robert President Trump returns from vietnam with more challenges than when he r left. Obt costa. Welcome to washington week. Im robert costa. Welcome to washington week. President trump follows criticism following a report that he secured a top security clearance for his soninlaw jareder kus overseas they wanted the sanions lifted in their entirety and we couldnt do it. Robert the president walks away from kim jongun. And on capitol hill i own mistakes. I own him. Remarkable testimony from President Trumps former lawyer. The president of the United States wrote a check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal