Transcripts For KQED PBS NewsHour 20180102

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This crowd are chanting death to the dictator, a reference to Supreme Leader of iran, ayatollah ali khamenei, who earlier today met with supporters in what was his first public appearance since the nationwide protests began. He accused what he described as irans enemies of fomenting the disturbances, a clear reference to the united states, israel and saudi arabia, and he said irans courage and faith would overcome such efforts. That warning didnt stop President Trump from taking to twitter, where he said the people of iran were finally acting against what he called a brutal and corrupt Iranian Regime. He said the iran people have little food, big inflation and no human rights, and that the u. S. Is watching. The protests started in the holy city of masshad last thursday, quickly spreading to the capital of tehran, and further east, to some 50 cities, across the country as far south as chabahar and ahwaz. So far, the government has been careful not to respond with a hardline violent crackdown, as it did in the wake of the political riots of 2009, which saw thousands lose their lives. What began as demonstrations born out of economic grievances are now sounding much more like angry condemnations of the leadership of the Islamic Republic itself. The regime will be hoping that large progovernment demonstrations will drown out such sentiments. Woodruff that was rageh omar of independent Television News. In the days other news, south korea extended an olive branch to its rival, north korea. It offered highlevel talks with pyongyang to find ways to cooperate on next months Winter Olympics in the south. That came a day after north Korean Leader kim jongun issued a rare overture to discuss easing military tensions. South korea proposed for the two countries to meet in a border village next tuesday. translated we look forward to candidly discussing mutual interests from both sides facetoface, to improve relationships along with the norths participation in the pyeongchang Winter Olympics. Woodruff back in the u. S. , President Trump weighed in on the possible talks between the koreas, tweeting, perhaps that is good news, perhaps not. We will see. U. N. Ambassador nikki haley said any talks wont matter unless the north drops its nuclear program. The Trump Administration is withholding millions of dollars in aid to pakistan over concerns that it hasnt done enough to fight terrorism. U. N. Ambassador haley made the announcement a day after President Trump used twitter to criticize islamabad for harboring terrorists. Haley also left open the possibility President Trump could eventually halt all funding to pakistan if they dont fully cooperate. She spoke at u. N. Headquarters in new york. The administration is withholding 255 million in assistance to pakistan. There are clear reasons for this. Pakistan has played a double game for years. They work with us at times, and they also harbor the terrorists that attack our troops in afghanistan. That game is not acceptable to this administration. Woodruff in pakistan today, scores of demonstrators took to the streets of karachi. Protesters burned american flags and chanted slogans condemning President Trumps tweet. Pakistans Foreign Office also summoned the u. S. Ambassador to explain the president s comments. Late today President Trump also suggested in a tweet that the u. S. Could cut off aid to the Palestinian Authority over its stalled peace talks with israel. An American Service member has died in combat in eastern afghanistan. Pentagon officials said the fighting took place yesterday in nangarhar province, near the pakistani border. Four other soldiers were wounded. The u. S. Military formally ended its combat mission in afghanistan in 2014. But it still takes part in operations against the taliban and the islamic state, alongside afghan forces. In peru, at least 30 people lost their lives when their bus plummeted over the side of a cliff. The bus was traveling on a treacherous stretch of highway north of lima, when it collided with a tractor trailer. Rescue crews worked to save who they could. Several survivors were transported to a nearby hospital with serious injuries. Back in this country, the longestserving Senate Republican announced he is retiring at the end of this year. 83yearold orrin hatch of utah said he wont seek reelection after being in office more than 40 years. In a video announcement, hatch, who chairs the powerful Senate Finance committee, said its time to move on. Ive always been a fighter. I was an amateur boxer in my youth, and i brought that fighting spirit with me to washington. But every good fighter knows when to hang up the gloves. And for me, that time is soon approaching. I may be leaving the senate, but the next chapter in my Public Service is just beginning. Woodruff the move now opens the door for former republican president ial nominee mitt romney to possibly run for hatchs seat. A bonechilling cold gripped a huge swath of the u. S. For another day. The deep freeze has now been blamed for at least nine deaths in the past week. Subzero temperatures forced schools to close in indianapolis. And farther south in houston, texas, traffic on icecovered highways slowed to a crawl. Freeze warnings were issued there, all the way north to canada, and from montana through new england. The leader of the new York City Ballet is retiring, following an investigation into sexual misconduct. Peter martins had been accused of sexually harassing or abusing members of the company over decades. In a letter to the board of directors, martins maintained his innocence, and acknowledged the scandal had taken a painful toll on his family. And on wall street today, stocks began the new year on a high note, led by gains in the technology and health care sectors. The Dow Jones Industrial average soared 104 points to close at 24,824. The nasdaq hit a record high, rising 103 points, and the s p 500 also notched a record, adding 22. Still to come on the newshour how irans leaders are responding to the unrest in their country. Congress returns with a full plate of budget issues. Can having a dog help you live longer . And, much more. Woodruff we return to the protests in iran, and take a closer look at whether the iranian government is united in how to respond, with abbas milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at stanford university. Mr. Milani, thank you very much for joining us. Before i ask you about the governments response, how do we know whether these protests are organized, whether theyre spontaneous . What do we know about that . I think what we know is theyre spread over a remarkably large expanse of the country. Theyre occurring in some of the places that have never been centers for action against the government, small towns where people cannot hide behind anonymity, where the regime knows everybody. So it to me is an indication of the level of despair in places never before the center of discontent. You are seeing massive demonstrations, either in size or in the voracity of the slogans. Woodruff what does that tell you about what is bringing these people out into the streets . I think what it tells me is that the result of about 30 years of economic mismanagement, of corruption, of cronyism, increased pressure as a result of the sanctions have created a moment i think where people, and new categories of people. This is the regime of the poor, the dispossessed, and it is here, too, these elementings that have come into the streets, sometimes in cities known for their religious piety, from mashad, to najafabad, which has the distinction of having more people in iraq in terms of the number of people killed. These are now the centers of activities, and this gradual grind of doubledigit unemployment, doubledig inflation, no prospects of economic improvement, remarkable cronyism, recent publication of budget figures that show millions of doll verse been given to religious endowments that have done virtually nothing to contribute. All of that i think created a tipping point. Drew so what. Woodruff so what do you make, professor, of the regimes response in today, among other things, the Supreme Leader said that its enemies of the country that are behind this. I think he has a paranoid view of the world. He does not believe that he has made any mistakes. He has yet to accept any mistakes for any of the major policy decisions that he is directly responsible for. I think many in the regime, including rouhani, have long realized that the status quo is not tenable. They know the level of disgruntlement. They know that more serious economic structure challenges that are on the horizon. Iran faces some truly remarkable economic challenges from the falling price of oil to, water shortage, to unemployment, to the failure of investments to come into iran. None of these can be solved unless mr. Rouhani and his conservative allies accept responsibility for the catastrophe that they have created and maybe allow, its not too late yet, maybe allow more mergers. Woodruff do you believe there is a chance he will do that . Everything i know about him, everything i have read about him, everything i have watched about him, unfortunately i do not have room for optimism. My only hope is that people around him and people who have a stake in the regime, people who realize the bloodshed that will come will prevail upon him to change his views. I hear that hes going to give a talk this friday, and if the talk that he gave this morning is any indication, i see very little hope of the much, muchneeded tone of contrition that he needs to have. Woodruff is there room for dissent, for debate within the leadership of the country . I think there is. I think there is considerable room for factual dissent within the regime. They dont like it in public. They all have to be very careful of not causing problems for mr. Rouhani. A number of people have been arrested illegally. Theyre under house arrest. The leader of the green revolution. Most leaders of the country other than khomeini know this is stupid and counterproductive, but they dont challenge him. But behind closed doors, one hears unconfirmed reports that more and more people are beginning to realized that his path is literally a path of a grim future for iran, because i think the level of anger is so rackable. There are forces that are instigating more anger on their side. Woodruff and just quickly, what effect do you see President Trumps tweets having . Hes very critical of the regime, calling him corrupt, saying its time for change. Is that helpful or not . I think in some ways it has been very helpful because i think people need to know, the Iranian Regime needs to know, as mr. Trump said, the world is watching, but mr. Trumps policies of the past have made the effectiveness of the tweets i think less. The fact that there is a ban on iranian, the fact that he sided almost completely with saudi arabia in the region, the fact that he called the persian gulf the arabian gulf, all of these have helped undermine the potentially far more effectiveness of the muchneeded support for the iranian people. And i think europe, too. People are increasingly trying to see where europe stands. Woodruff abbas milani at stanford university, thank you very much. Woodruff over this holiday break, republicans in congress celebrated their tax cut bill and stressed plans to rebuild the military and infrastructure. But they spoke less about a tough tradeoff involved adding to the governments red ink problem. Our Lisa Desjardins looks at how lawmakers are spending, and a potential budget collision ahead. Desjardins thats right, judy. To get our hands around this, we have with us longtime spending watcher, stan collender. He is a professor of Public Policy at georgetown universitys mccourt school, and a contributor to forbes magazine. I want the start breaking down some of the big examples here, stan. Lets look quickly, the tax cuts, thats estimated to be about 1. 5 to 2 trillion it would add to the deficit, disaster aid, three hurricanes and wildfires last year, there are proposals for 100 billion there, and infrastructure, President Trump proposing another 200 billion there. Not clear how this will be paid for. I want to ask you about another big one, budget cuts. This year is unique that acrosstheboard spending cuts called a sequester are to go into place, but now republicans and democrats want the lift those, which would add to the red ink. Can you explain this . Sure. Let me make a lessthanbold prediction. Those spending cuts will never happen. Democrats want more for domestic spending. Republicans want for for the military. These cuts would be so dastardly that congress would do everything to avoid it. They didnt think avoiding it meant raising the caps. They thought it meant consulting other spending. Now well just increase the deficit so to get to your basic point, how are they going to pay for it . Theyre not. Theyre going to borrow to pay for it. Drew what does this mean . We have major shortterm deadline coming up january 19th. Thats when the latest government funding bill runs out. How does this bigger budget cap and spending cuts battle affect that in. Well, in a perfect world, democrats and republicans and the white house, we get together by january 19th and work out a deal. Thats very unlikely given the hyperpartnership thats going on, given the unpredictability of President Trump. So chances are well get another shortterm funding bill, im guessing until the end of this month, that is the end of january to, give them more time to deal with it. Ultimately it means more spending than were expecting spendinghat was on the list yout down. There a much higher deficit. I have been saying to months for my readers. Were looking at deficits of 1 to 1. 2 trillion a year every year during the Trump Administration. Woodruff we have a longer list of these spending items in our weekly politics newsletter. A bigger question, ive been on the halls in capitol hill, ive been talking to republicans. And even some members of the conservative Freedom Caucus are shrugging off or holding their nose about the spending decisions. This was the party of the deficit hawks. For republicans, is this spending a change in philosophy or is this just a change of shortterm priority . Look, im going to say it differently. It wasnt a change, because the republicans never cared that much about the deficit to begin. With they cared about the deficit when it was a way to stop someone else, Barack Obamas proposals from happening. But now that its their proposal, tax cuts, defense increase, the deficit be damned. They want to move ahead and do what they want to do, and if it means that it induces or forces cuts or forces people the look at cuts on things like medicare and medicaid and social security, so be it as far as theyre concerned. Woodruff balanced budgets predate barack obama and go back before that. Oh, sure, but these same people who were big on balanced budget amendments to the constitution and spending deals that would result in a balanced budget in ten years, they just have gone by the wayside. That was in many ways just subterfuge to get through what they wanted to do so they can do what they want to do now. The last question, voters also in polling, they dont seem so concerned about spending and deficits right now. Thats different than six years ago when we saw that spike and people were worried. Playing devils advocate here, maybe do republicans not need to Pay Attention if voters arent paying attention . Undoubtedly the polling for the republicans showed exactly what you just said, which is that give an choice between a tax cut and a deficit increase, no problem, well take the tax cut every time. But when tax cuts dont produce that much for the average person and start spiking up Interest Rates and inflation and it starts people. People start to hurt to feel by it, they will start to worry about the deficit again, and its going to be more difficult. Classic short term long term problem. Stan collender, thank you for joining us. Youre welcome. Woodruff stay with us. Coming up on the newshour changes coming to public and private schools in the new year. And, whats behind the publics distrust of the news media. But first, a new Scientific Study underlines the truth of the old phrase, dogs are a mans best friend. According to researchers in sweden, dog owners live longer. Their figures show that of people who live alone, those who have a dog have a 36 chance of living longer than those who dont have a pet. Malcolm brabant begins his report from uppsala, north of stockholm. Reporter tove fall practices what she preaches. Shes got a dog called vega. An epidemiologist, shes an expert in disease and public health, whos just conducted whats claimed to be the biggestever study of its kind, matching the Health Records of a third of the swedish population with Dog Ownership data. What we see in this really large study, where we look at nearly 3. 4 Million People for 12 years, we see clear evidence that dog owners live longer. Reporter vegas owner has confidence in her findings because of the magnitude of the sample size, using the Identification System that tracks every swedes lifelong interaction with state institutions. Its really accurate in terms of that we know the date of hospitalizations, cardiovascular disease, we know the date of birth of the dog, and so on. Reporter the center for Disease Control says Heart Disease is americas leading cause of death. Falls prescription . There aint nothing like a hound dog. Dog owners do much more physical exercise. When its dark and grey here in sweden, or rainy, the only people you see outside are people with dogs. So, and you know that physical activity is good for a lot of Different Health outcomes. Reporter so can dogs delay your exit . There are doubting voices from across the north sea. Sit, good boy. Sit. According to a new study, called all creatures great and small, just published in the british medical journal, owning a pet does not help you stay young. The study by scientists from university college, london, looked at nearly 9,000 adults with an average age of 67, and found that pet ownership made no difference, in tests on key markers such as walking speed, lung function, grip strength, memory and depression. Good boy. The authors did concede, however, that walking a dog could help weight and cardiovascular problems. The british scientists also said dog owners were more likely to be in Poorer Health and lonely. But tove falls findings for single people with dogs, using a substantially bigger database, were completely different. She says their mortality rates were improved by 36 . This rang true with Homeless People being helped on a december day by volunteers in copenhagen. With winter beginning to bite, an Animal Charity was doing brisk business. We are an animal shelter. We want to care for the dogs, but we also know that these people, a lot of them, its their best friend, its their only companion. So helping the dogs helps the people. And one thing we always find is that these dogs are really well cared for. They are the priority of these people. Reporter and lee believes the dogs are life savers. The dogs are their soul mate. They are the reason they get up in the morning, their way of keeping warm here in the winter time, especially in northern climates like denmark. And i think theyre the reason for them being alive. Reporter Kim Hasselstrom isnt asking for a free hotdog for himself. He wants it for mollie, his canine companion, whom he credits for saving him from suicide during darker periods living rough. I have only mollie. Im living in the street. I lose my family. So mollie is 95 of my life. Every day, im maybe not happy. Look at that dog one time, then youre happy. The dog is always happy. If you dont like such a little dog when it comes to you, then you dont like anything. Reporter the volunteers it a jacket to keep bandit warm during the harsh scandinavian winter. Ive been living on the street for eight years now, and im always never sick. Not even a fever or a cold. Nothing. Reporter klaus hansen is in no doubt what would happen to him if he didnt have bandit to keep him company. Oh, probably lying in a corner drunk or hanging in a tree somewhere. Actually, the dog helps me in many ways. Also my health. And also, i dont go so much crazy in the head. When you are sitting alone all day and thinking, you go in the same rounds every day. So its nice to have a dog to talk with. Reporter 200 miles away, at one of denmarks leading neuro centers, the benefits of dogs in Human Health Care are being assessed and promoted. Blida, an icelandic sheepdog, is about to try to help a brain damaged patient. Project manager galina plesner. The dogs, they can actually provide extra motivation to do the therapy, to do the movements that patients are required to make. Reporter blida lives up to the translation of her icelandic name. It means gentle. Her patient today is 72yearold eric, whos been crippled by a brain hemorrhage. A tracheotomy means he cant speak. Hes bedridden, and hes is receiving therapy to try to regain basic motor skills. The staff hope the dog can enhance his progress. The gentle one is keen to get to work, and it looks like the feeling is mutual. When you go into rehabilitation like this, youve suffered a trauma, and you need to get back on track, back into life. And therapy has to do with training everyday movements. Reporter eric is working to reward the sheepdog by fitting small treats into the game. For some patients, the dogs will motivate them to maybe work a little bit longer, and its a bit more fun than being in a therapeutic kitchen or therapeutic bathroom to train the movements that youre required to do. Reporter tina hogan is erics therapist. Certainly a lot of progress since he was here last time. Eric suffers from muscle atrophy in both his hands. So he has trouble reaching out and grabbing stuff, and thats why we chose the games we chose. Reporter the final test of the session is the toughest, putting dog treats in a ball. Dogs are nonjudgmental. So when you have a patient whos suffered a trauma, for example, or an old person who has dementia. They will know that there are requirements in the environment that they cant live up to. And dogs they dont have those requirements, and its intuitively recognized that you dont have to live up to anything with a dog. Reporter the icelandic sheepdog is clearly happy with her rewards. I think its important not to call it magic, although perhaps something unique is going on that we cant measure. But i think it doesnt have to be magic. It can be very, very powerful and very, both emotional and strong, the effects that you see. Reporter this foundation wants to expand the number of rehabilitation programs involving dogs. Back in sweden, vegas owner is planning new research to determine whether dogs can benefit humans in other ways. This is a time of year when thousands of puppies, given as presents, are discarded by their new owners. This swedish study would suggest they are rejecting the gift of health. For the pbs newshour, im Malcolm Brabant in scandinavia. Woodruff the coming year could be an important one for americas kthrough12 Public Schools, and secretary of Education Betsy Devos will be a key part of that. She has made it clear that she wants to expand School Choice options, and may go further in rolling back some obamaera guidelines. William brangham has our look ahead of what you need to know, part of our weekly education coverage, making the grade. Brangham the Trump Administration will also play a key role deciding what happens to students who are eligible for daca thats the policy that protects immigrant children. But first, lets talk about one of the changes thats happening because of the new tax law. Parents will now be able to use up to 10,000 from their taxfree 529 College Savings accounts to help pay for private or Religious School for any grade, not just college. So here to help walk us through this and other changes is alyson klein of education week; and Anya Kamanetz of npr. Alyson, lets start with you. These w29s were set up to sock away money taxfree for college. Its now changed under the tax law. Whats the implication . Parents will now be able to save money in these funds which were just to use for College Savings for private school tuition. As you said, private schools and Religious Schools. You mentioned before that School Choice is u. S. Secretary of Education Betsy Devoss favorite policy. This is her biggest win so far on School Choice, but its not going to really help the kids that she has said need School Choice the most, poor children from lowincome families, because those families dont tend to pay a lot in taxes or their parents may not have a ton of money to sock away, as you said. So in the future, you know, betsy devos i think is going to push on some other fronts on School Choice. Shes called this a good start, but she knows this isnt going to help the poorest kids in the country. Woodruff anya, there is another impact you mentioned in the tax bill that might have a big impact on public education, and thats the state and local Tax Deduction people can take or the changes to that. Can you explain what happened and what impact that might have . Yes. So Public Schools get the vast majority of their money from state and local taxes. And up until this bill, those taxes could be deducted in full from your federal taxes some that amount is a very large subsidy toward Public Schools from the federal government. Now there is a state and local tax cap of 10,000 for the total deduction, and that is going to especially affect sort of highproperty value areas where they are directing a lot of that money to schools, where schools are often very coveted, very well regarded, and what its also going to do, some Public School advocates fear, is its going to limit the amount of money thats available that states can use to try to level the Playing Field for school funding. And so down the road, when states are trying to raise money to pay for Public Schools among other very important functions of the states, theyre going to have hard time doing that because that cap on the deduction is going to be felt by some of the highest taxpayers in every state. Brangham okay. Another thing i had mentioned in the intro was this issue of daca, which is not something we tend to think of with regards to education. Alyson, can you explain, obviously daca applies, this was sort of a granting of some legal status to immigrant children who were brought here by their parents without documentation. What does daca have to do with public education, though . So right now there are thousands of teachers. The migration policy estimates its 20,000 teachers who are protected by daca. Woodruff teachers themselves . Teachers themselves, sure. So if this initiative is rescinded by congress or by the Trump Administration, then its an open question what happens to those teachers. They could lose their jobs. They could end up being deported. Some School Districts like miamidade and los angeles have said they will do what they can to protected these teachers, but there is a lot of anxiety out there among them. Also, 250,000 schoolchildren have become eligible for daca since president obama put the initiative in place in 2012. So this affects both sides of the education equation, both the educators and their students. Woodruff . Brangham an, yeah there is another issue, the essa, the every Student Succeeds act. Can you explain what that is about and what might happen in 2018 with regards it to . To essa is a big federal education law that governs k12 schools. Its an update to the morefamous no child left behind law, and it has to do with how states evaluate their students and their schools performance. States have been submitting their plans to the Education Department for how theyre going to update how they evaluate both schools and students. And theres been some back and forth about this, about whether betsy devos is rubberstamping these plans or in some cases being too tough, but were going to see more emerging trends around how states might be treating their students. And one of the issues im most interested in is the nonacademic indicators. States are now able to include or actually they are required to include a nonacademic measure of success that can be Something Like attendance or something more broad based like social and emotional skills. So thats very interesting in terps of what schools and states are trying to Pay Attention to now. Woodruff . Brangham alyson, one of the things you mentioned to me, the secretary of educations great source of power is using their department as a bully pulpit. This is something the Obama Administration did. It issued guidance to a lot of schools saying the evidence is clear that you are disfrom portion natalie punishing black and brown kids in schools, an were going to keep an eye on that. Is that something that secretary devos is likely to roll become or continue . What do you know about that . Thats an open question. Shes met with both supporters and detractors of the obama straights guidance, which was intended to make sure School Discipline practices are fair to all students, including minority students. She hasnt tipped her hand yet one way or the other on how shes going to approach that issue. Brangham same thing on title 9. Secretary devos caused a stir with the guidance on Sexual Assault. Can you tell us what happened there . Absolutely. So the obamaera guidance was very clear on the idea that Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment is a violation of title 9 civil rights and the right to equal education for students of both sexes. What devos did was hailed as some people as the reinstate of due process and the rights of the accused. Others said this is sweeping Sexual Harassment under the rug. What i have heard on campus is that no campus, whether k12 or higher ed is necessarily going to walk back these steps theyve made to try the root out Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment, but the change in emphasis is certainly going to be seen when we think of some of those highprofile cases on both sides where sometimes people turn out to be wrongfully accused. Other times there are offenses that really go to an egregious level. Brangham a lot of things to keep an eye on. Alyson klein, Anya Kamanetz, thank you both. Thank you. Thanks. Woodruff in President Trumps first year in office, he tweeted about fake news and fake media 174 times. That is an average of once every two days. Over the weekend, he said that he uses social media because it is the only way to fight a very dishonest and unfair press, now often referred to as fake news media. Phony and nonexistent sources are being used more often than ever. We explore how Many American people view the role of the press, and how the term fake news has been coopted and even weaponized by politicians, with margaret sullivan, media columnist for the washington post; and craig silverman, media editor for buzzfeed news. Welcome to both of you. Margaret, im going the start with you. You set out to get a sense of what people think about the media. You went back to the place where you grew up, western new york state, and you talked to people. Tell us about what you found. Well, judy, the reason i did that is because i had heard such dramatically Different Things from readers at the post and other people, whether it was on social media or in email, some of it very, very critical, some of it very abusive, and a reader actually wrote to me and said, you need to get out of that washington, d. C. , bubble and go out into, you know, sort of regular america or the rust belt or the heartland. I decided that would be a good idea to actually spend some time and talk to people about their level of trust in the media and how theyre informed and whether they believe it, or whether, like one poll has it, that people, some large number of people think that the news media actually makes things up about the president. Woodruff and you found some reassuring responses, but also some pretty disturbing ones. I did. I mean, i found that people in general do think they have access to credible news and credible information, but they have their complaints about the news media, too, particularly the blending of news and opinion and the fact that theres a kind of. They see a kind of a pettiness or a snarkiness or an aboveitall arrogance in the news media that they dont feel speaks to them very well. Woodruff they were commenting i think among other things about cable news commentators and just the reporting that they get on their facebook feed, for example. Exactly. People get their news in all kinds of different ways. Thats one of the problems. When we say the news media or when we poll people about the news media, what are we actually asking them about. Are we asking them about facebook or fox news or the New York Times or Something Else . Woodruff so craig silverman, buzzfeed, youve done a lot of thinking over the last several years, and writing about fake news. You used the term a lot. What have you seen . We quoted President Trump and his. Hes using that term again, and what do you see today compared the what you originally thought when you started using the term a few years ago, fake news, how do you see the meaning of the term and what the distinctions are . Originally for me, it was a term used to describe a very specific type of completely false, deceptive content that was spreading primarily on facebook by people who wanted to earn money from the traffic that went back to their web site that had the fake story. And so this was a specific kind of actor, a malicious actor out there, who was doing it for money. And yet now, here we are, roughly a year past the election or so, and the term has really been i think coopted and its almost like a jiujitsu move that donald trump has done where people were saying fake news was one of the things that got him elected and maybe people had been tricked by these stories, and he fifth amendment like that undermined the legitimacy of his election, so he decided to take the term and make it in his own image. So he uses it today to criticize reporting that he doesnt like to, criticize mostly mainstream outlets that he thinks are too hard on him. And i think frankly at this point the term in some ways has become almost meaningless or at the very least it means whatever your side thinks it does. And so its become very politicized. Drew there is no question that one example of fake news or stories that are deliberately put out there purposely lice, information that people know is not true. We have one example, and i think you referred to this in you writing, it showed up as a tweet last year by man named david clarke, quoting Hillary Clinton, here it is now, its just clearly made up, theres in truth to it, and yet it got an enormous amount of pick up. Yeah, and, you know, theres that quote, which is Hillary Clinton supposedly saying that democratic voters stupid, and there was also a completely fake quote attributed to trump saying republicans are stupid. So you see this coming frankly from all sides, and in the case of clark, you have somebody who is a pretty prominent trump supporter, someone who at one point was expected the maybe get a job in the administration, and hes out there pushing completely fake information. In the context that he shared that completely false quote, he was also complaining and calling real reporting fake news. So hes branding something thats completely fake as real and actual reporting as fake news, and that kind of typifies some of the stuff we see today. Woodruff margaret, i want to come back to the people you talk to in the buffalo area. What did they say, the news media needs to do to begin to regain their trust in this world where fake news, that term is thrown around all the time. Well, they would like to see more substance and less soup fishalty. They would like to see the separation of news and opinion, they would like to see less snarkiness and more of a kind of a respectful attitude, and while they might not put it just this way, theyd like the see more transparency, theyd like to understand what goes on behind the curtain and sort of how the sausage is made, which is something that weve never really wanted to show. But i think these days we have to do that and we have to own up to our mistakes in a much more transparent way so that people can understand how we do our jobs and that were trying to do it as best we can. Woodruff craig silverman, are those the kinds of things that you think could begin to earn and to regain the trust of the American People . I think the last point is one thats particularly important right now. When it comes to the inevitable mistakes that journalists acting in good faith will make, you know, journalism is not a perfect exercise. Its a human endeavor, so we will make mistakes. But if youre not willing to be honest about it and transparent about it, then the people who are trying the brand real journalism as fake news are give an leg up because they can say, see, they made this mistake and they wont say anything about it. I think thats really important. To margarets point about helping people understand the process of journalism, i do think thats important. People consume a lot of journalism, but they dont necessarily have an understanding of how its produced. For a long time we took it for granted that maybe people trusted us and assumed we acted in good faith. I think we have to demonstrate a lot more and be a lot more transparent. And sometimes that means making a hard admission about something where we fell short. Drew do you think this will involve more work on the part of the muse media . I see all the. Generally reporters work pretty hard. But in order to extinguish between information we know we can back up and information that is just out there, that is so easy to write a report or repeat whether we back it up or not. Well, we have to do a. I dont know whether its harder, but we have to do a different kind of work, which now has to do a lot with Fact Checking and with presenting when an interviewer, whether its the president or someone else, says something we know not to be the case. We have to be ready to counter in, in realtime and very clearly with credible and verifiable fact. Woodruff today the president tweeted that this was the safest year ever in american aviation because there were no deaths from commercial aircraft. In fact, this has been the case for the last number of years. Yeah, and he took credit for it. And what is interesting about a tweet like that, where, you know what, hes saying is accurating but the piece that a lot of people seized upon in the media was him sort of taking credit for this thing, ive been really tough on the airlines and i wanted to make this happen. What happens inevitably is given the context of saying nothing has been different in this area under trump, i think a lot of his supporters will look at that and say, youre taking a cheap shot, and so its an important piece of context, but its a piece of context in a highly polarized environment that is going to feed some of the perceptions people already have of media and so theres sometimes where youre doing your job, and youre correct in doing it, but inevitably in this environment its still going to be interpreted in certain ways. I this i journalists have to accept that and think, what are other ways for me to demonstrate my credibility. Woodruff we are in a new time, an we have to keep working hard on this every single day. Margaret sullivan, craig silverman, thank you both. Thank you, judy. Woodruff and finally tonight, we take a look at a poet reaching new audiences in a new way. At just 25, rupi kaur has burst onto the literary scene, surging to the top of nearly every bestseller list. Jeffrey brown reports how shes done it by embracing social media, and building an avid following of young readers. Im going to cry. Oh, my goodness. No, youre not going to cry. Its okay brown its become a strange, new normal for 25yearold rupi kaur fans eager to share how her work has changed their lives. Theres often a photo, and a hug. Sometimes the exchange becomes emotional. Its because you remind me of my mom. I still dont believe it. Like, i have to pinch myself. Its real, but it still doesnt feel real. Brown and how could it . Kaurs debut collection of poems, milk and honey, has sold three million copies worldwide. And her new work, the sun and her flowers, has already sold a million since its release in october. Meanwhile, performances of her poetry, like this one in washington, d. C. Recently, routinely draw hundreds. Brown its heady stuff for a young woman who grew up in the toronto suburb of brampton, in a large southasian community, and used social media to build an ardent fan base of mostly young women. They are my sisters. They are me. Brown we spoke recently at bramptons rose theater, where kaur graduated from high school, and these days performs her poetry. I was 18, 19, 20 when i was writing milk and honey. And so, were always going to be growing together, and i think what i want to say to them is that im with you. Im here. I think people just want to feel understood and feel seen and its what i want growing up, and so thats why i think the poetry works so well. Brown kaurs poems are typically short, even just a few lines, with simple, unadorned language and spare punctuation. Theyre often accompanied by her drawings. In them, she writes of everyday occurrences like starting relationships, or ending them. Brown but she also tackles raw issues of Sexual Violence and trauma, and how to heal. The books are not 100 autobiographical. Theyre the emotions of it, yes, perhaps but theyre also stories that my sisters, my cousins or my mom or my aunt experience every single day. And so ive had the ability and privilege to go and write poems about their experiences. Brown kaur was born in punjab, india, and emigrated to canada at the age of four. Her father is a truck driver, work that takes him as far away as california. Her mother, a stayathome mom. At home, they speak only punjabi. The rule was kind of like, you know, youre going to speak english. 90 of your day, you know, out and about, no matter where you go in the world. This house is, like, where youre going to speak punjabi. Brown in fact, kaur didnt learn to speak english until the fourth grade. And she says, it was through writing and performance that she found her voice. I think i just fell in love with the way the mic picks up my voice and it boomed throughout the entire space. And for someone who felt voiceless for so long, that was so refreshing. For me, poetry is like holding up a mirror and seeing myself, and it gives words to these very complex emotions and these feelings that i had as a child, and not being able to put words to them. Brown she continued to write, posting work online, but it wasnt until 2015 that she captured national attention, after the social media site instagram twice removed a photo for an art project showing her with what looked like menstrual blood on her sweatpants. Kaur responded, i will not apologize for not feeding the ego and pride of Misogynist Society that will have my body in an underwear but not be okay with a small leak. The response generated an outpouring of support online, and that same year a major publisher picked up her first book. Since then, shes cultivated a massive online presence. Nearly two Million People follow her instagram page. A lot of lovers of poetry would think that poetry and social media just dont go together, right . Yeah. Brown social medias this ephemeral, surface thing. So, the gatekeepers of these two worlds are so confused. But in my mind, it also seems so very natural that these two things would come together. Because of technology and because of social media, so many things are changing, and social media has become a platform for so many different industries. Why cant poetry do the same . Brown but social media can also bite back. Kaurs poems have been the subject of frequent parody online. While some have questioned its merits. And the title of instagram poet, she says, comes with baggage. To be completely honest, im not okay with it. A lot of the readers are young women who are experiencing really real things, and theyre not able to talk about it with maybe family or other friends, and so they go to this type of poetry to sort of feel understood and to have these conversations. And so when you use that term, you invalidate this space that they use to heal and to feel closer to one another, and i think thats when it becomes unfair. Brown does it hurt you when youre being, when your poetry is being critiqued as more therapeutic or more emotional rather than poetry . No, not really, and its because i never really intended to get into the literary world. This is actually not for you. This is for that 17yearold brown woman in brampton who is not even thinking about that space, who is just trying to live, survive, get through her day. Brown kaur says social media, the thing that first connected her work to the world, can also be a cause of the pain so many young people feel today. What happens when youre so connected with other people through these things, you become so disconnected with yourself and we find it so difficult to just sit with yourself and just be alone. Brown and the poet whos followed by so many on instagram. Follows no one. I think what it teaches you is to put up your boundaries and really figure out, okay, this tool is so great and its brought me so many great things, but i also need to protect myself if i want to continue to do what im doing. Brown self preservation. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and its like, im here to be around for the long haul. Im not going anywhere. I want to be around till im 80, and so i need to start some practices now so that i can sort of continue on for the next sort of 50 years. Brown kaur just wrapped up a north american tour. Pfor the pbs newshour, imurope. Jeffrey brown in brampton, ontario. Woodruff and on the newshour online, we talk to a poet who says we should use the new year not only to review our work, at www. Pbs. Org newshour. And thats the newshour for tonight. Im judy woodruff. Join us online, and again right here tomorrow evening. For all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, and well see you soon. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by babbel. 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