Nations governors say they need another 500 billion of help for their state, but Senate Republicans are resisting. One in six in the American Workforce are now unemployed. Plus president trumps speculation backfired badly this week as administrations efforts to soften warnings about a second wave of coronavirus in the fall were shot down by their own medical doctors. I think by memorial day weekend, we will largely have this coronavirus epidemic behind us. President trump it is also possible it doesnt come back at all. Doctor there will be coronavirus in the fall. Brennan the f. D. A. Issued a safety warning. A top federal vaccine expert was reassigned after voicing concerns about its use, too. He filed a whistleblower complaint. Then came mr. Trumps shocking suggestion that doctors should try injecting disinfectant into humans to affect the virus, and he later said he was being sarcastic. President trump i see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute. Is there a way we can do Something Like that . By injection inside or almost a cleaning . Brennan across america it is sinking in, there is no end in sight, and if there is, normal is going to look very different. Somebody said to me, i cant do this anymore. I get it. I really do fundamentally get it. This has been a godawful situation on many, many levels. You have to deal with it. And its hard. But on the other hand, it makes us who we are, right . You get shaped by your experiences. 56 days of all of this inconvenience. Think of it this way what youre doing is actually saving lives. Brennan well talk with maryland republican governor larry hogan, and San Francisco mayor london breed, and scott gottlieb. And well tak talk with brian moynihan. Its all just ahead on face the nation. Brennan welcome to face the nation. How can america safely reopen before there is a proven cure for covid19 . First up this morns mark strasman in atlanta. Georgias reopening a couple of days ago got most of the spotlight and most of the criticisms. But it is only one state. Like the virus, the push to get back to business is contagious across the country. What contagion . Covid america is reopening. Weekend warriors in wisconsin, coloring away the gray in atlanta, sipping margaritas in dallas. We have to start looking at the hard facts. And the hard facts support the fact we need to open up the economy. Reporter one hard fact the american economys covid fever runs dangerously high. Square that against another hard fact some epidemiological models predict by late may, the covid death total to date could double, 100,000 americans, and no one wants people dying for a spring break. Were finally relieved, but with everybody out, will they becomear . When careless, things start happening again. Reporter every governor will decide when and how much to ease restrictions. In five states, some businesses have already partially reopened on site to costumers. Over the next 10days, at least five more will phase in reopenings, with a warning about risks. Social distancing works, and it absolutely must continue if were going to reopen our economy safely. Reporter discipline is key to stopping talk of a secondrate depression. Do costumers think it is safe . Do you . Weve got a cleaning log on the door, to make sure people know were cleaning door handling and surfaces. Reporter but white house guidelines expect more. To reopen safely, states must first show a twoweek downward trend of new documented cases. By our read of the data, no state can do that. Georgias movie theaters are allowed to reopen tomorrow, but like many Business People here, the owner of this one thinks it is too soon. He told us he is taking his guidance from health experts, not politicians. Margaret . Brennan mark, thank you. There was a starting warning from the World Health Organization saturday, there is not evidence that a person who has recovered from the coronavirus is immune from a second infection. Several countries in the rest of the world are wrestling with how and when to reopen. We turn to Senior CorrespondentElizabeth Palmer in london. Reporter the w. H. O. Has told the governments not to issue socalled immunity passports to people who have recovered because nobody knows yet how long theyll be protected from covid. As life starts to return to normal, like in spain, where children under 14 were allowed out for the first time in six weeks, the danger is that immunity passports would give people false confidence, when it might turn out they could catch covid again. But the pressure to ease up is huge in countries past the peak, like australia. So this week sydneys beaches reopened, supposedly only for exercise. We will have to close the bay. Reporter and then closed again when people just reverted to precovid fun in the sun. Social distancing will be part of the new normal, and so might gadgets, like the thermal helmet cameras the police in dubai are using to detect high temperatures. And, of course, there are masks. But south africas president had a little trouble putting his on. But, in fact, his government has been hugely successful containing the virus, thanks to a Strict Lockdown and a big network of Public Health nurses. Some countries, though, are at the other end of the deadly covid curve, notably ecuador. Bodies lay in the streets in the largest city, and cemeteries are full. From Oxford University there was hopeful news on a covid vaccine. Human trials began on thursday. And the researchers say if all goes well, theyre aiming to have a million doses ready this fall. Meanwhile, the holiest site in the islamic world, the caba as mecca, would normally be packed full. Instead, just a scattering of employees were allowed in, as millions of muslims around the world began ramadan isolated and under lockdown. Here in the u. K. , were hoping that tomorrow we may get some information about how we get beyond our lockdown when Prime MinisterBoris Johnson returns to work three weeks after he was admited tadmitted to hospital with coronavirus. Brennan we go now to annapolis and the governor, la larry hogan. They that their highest number of deaths in just a single day. Im sorry to hear that, governor. Good morning. Glrng. Thangood morning, thankyou. Brennan this week the president contradicted his three medical advisers when they said the virus may come back in the fall, overlapped with flu season and be even more difficult. And we had the administration remove a top scientist who had been working on vaccines because of what he claims is retaliation for warnings about hydroxychloroquine. And then the president suggested potentially ingesting disinfectant, an idea to try to kill the virus. When you hear thikind of misinformation, how dangerous do you think it is, particularly when it comes from the white house . Well, i think it is always critically important to for a leader to put out the facts and to be as open and honest an transparent as possible. Thats what i tried to do as the governor of my state, particularly in the middle of this crisis. I think it is critical that the president of the united states, when people are really scared and in the middle of this worldwide pandemic, that in these press conferences that we really get the facts out there. Unfortunately, some of the messaging has not been great. I mean, the mixed messaging ive raised concerns multiple times about conflicting messages. We had hundreds of calls in our hotline here in maryland about people asking about injecting or ingesting these disinfectants, which is hard to imagine that people thought that that was serious. But people actually were thinking about this. Was this something you could do to protect yourself . Look, ive been trying to do my very best from the beginning of this crisis. We pulled together a Coronavirus Response team made up of the smartest epidemiologists and Public Health doctors in the world to advice us every step of the way, and weve been trying to base all of our decisions on that information and the facts, and to try to get those facts out to the public so they know exactly what is going on. Brennan as you said, your state had to warn residents not to ingest disinfectants. Should the president stop these briefings . Governor well, i think having briefings to inform the public of what is going on is important. And i think his Coronavirus Team has really been doing a good job. And there are some really smart folks on there that are providing valuable information. I would hate to see that stop. I think you saw a different briefing yesterday, where the president didnt take questions. We didnt have a twohour long press conference that went off into different topics. Perhaps that is indicating a different strategy, and i think maybe some of his advisers are suggesting that maybe a different communication policy might be more helpful. Brennan i want to ask you about this region of the country. Dr. Birx said that the d. C. Metro area is still having a problem with infections. Why . What is trivin driving this . Governor well, so we took some of the earliest and most aggressive actions in america. The very first case that we had here, i declared a state of emergency. We were the first to close the schools. We were one of the first in america to close bars and restaurants, one of the first to close nonessential businesses. So the whole talk weve been hearing about for more than a month now is about trying to flatten and lengthen that curve. So you dont have the big spikes. Thats exactly what weve been really successful in doing here in this region. Thats why were about a couple of weeks behind places like new york and new orleans and other places. We have dramatically flattened and lengthened that curve and lowered the numbers, but, unfortunately, that means were also a little bit behind, and now those numbers are coming up. We cant stop the virus, but weve, at least up until now, stopped the overflow of our health care system, the overburdening of the i. C. U. Beds and ventilators and things like that. Our hospitalizations and i. C. U. Beds are start ten to flatten, but our deaths and infections are, unfortunately, are going up. Brennan you said the number one problem now is testing. Your wife placed a call to south korea and had them send kits. Governor cuomo said he talked to the president about it this week, and on a Global Supply chain he has asked for federal help. Is that what you think the federal government should be doing with testing, the supply chain . Governor so im the chairman of the National Governors association, and Governor Cuomo is my vice chairman. Weve been focusing on a number of things weve been pushing at the federal level, testing being one of the most important. The president said over and over yes, we should have more assistance from the federal government on testing. I think we finally have driven that message home. Just yesterday we had another call with the Vice President and his team, and theyve made some progress on making some more labs available on trying to ramp up production of tests here in america. For quite a while the president has been saying over and over again, testing is a local thing. Governors should get their own tests. We spent about a month, with my wife, getting thousands of tests from south korea. Im not sure it should have been that difficult. Brennan new jerseys governor said today that his state is going to have to gut the living daylights out of educators and first respon responders if congress dont provide a 500 billion of what you say you need . Why not have Strings Attached . Why do you need flexibility . Governor the governors have been pushing for this. We pushed to try to get it in the third stimulus package and the 3. 5 billion package. Nearly every governor in america supports it, both republicans and democrats. Weve had numerous conversations, with the Vice President and pred, president , and muchin. The Vice President has helped. Secretary ma mnuchin. They hope to get it through with the help of the administration. Because were on the front lines. We cant provide services to the people in our states and help us get out of this economic problem without that assistance. Brennan understood, governor. Thank you. Well be back to talk about the economy with entrepreneur barry dillard. Stay with us. Steven mnuchin consider protected Lifetime Income from an annuity as part of your retirement plan. This can help cover your essential monthly expenses. Learn more at protectedincome. Org [under pressure by queen pressure pushing down on me pressing down on you, no man ask for its the terror of knowing what the world is about. Watching some good friends screaming let me out this is ourselves under pressure brennan were back with barry dillard, the chairman of i. B. C. , the Largest Online travel company, and he invests in a wellknown firms you know of, match. Com, and tinder. I want to ask you, mr. Dillard, about your view of the overall economy. The white house says the jobless rate is likely close to 16 . But then they say at the same time, the economy is about to bounce back as soon as this summer. Whats the reality you see . There is no chance. I mean, certainly this summer. I think the summer is kind of going to be a petrie dish of all sorts of things. Petrie is probably a terrible word to use right now. There will be all sorts of experimenting going on, experimenting with what does social distancing mean, when there is no real distancing, certainly in the cities. It will be a period of where it will be a big mess. And by september, probably, i believe, youll see things some things economically return. I think people will be going back to work. In certainly by labor day. And i think that this anyone who thinks that this economy is going to bounce, youd have to have the idea of a rubber ball not in existence to think it is going to bounce high. It cant. The damage is being done and it is catastrophic. Brennan catastrophic, what do you think that means . Are you talking about widespread bankruptcies . Do you have a handle on how much sorry. You have to have widespread bankruptcies because have you no revenue, essentially, for an enormous number of businesses. I think that established businesses expedia, which had basically a 10 billion cost base, went from a day when it would have 250 million in sales to basically zero. What expedia did and many other companies, we tapped the private markets, for close to 4 billion, which can get us through, we think, almost any worstcase scenario. Of course youre going to have a massive amount of businesses that cant return, businesses that go bankrupt. It is inevitable. And hopefully the government will, so to speak, pick up the tab because this is an expedential crisis. It ought to be sloppy to get that money out to everybody who needs it. Brennan you have heard from travel companies, youve heard from United Airlines talk about having flight attendants wear masks and having people sit every other seat, these experiments, which is crazy the idea that you can take the middle seat out of an airplane and have any kind of, quote, social distancing, work, it cant. Social distancing works when it is complete. There are some things you can do when youre not in tight urban areas or in tight capsules, like a plane. That ensure some more safety. What i would like to know, do masks work, giving it or getting it. Because if masks work, then that is at least something. But the idea you can make these small areas or theaters or whatever, or restaurants, tables six feet apart . What about coming in and going out. What about the waiters wh yi tht makes any sense. But, you know, you cant believe that the concept of trying cleaning places better, yes, that would be good anyways. But sore sob social distancing n these kinds of arenas is a myth. Brennan who needs to tell you that . Do you need to hear it from the federal government . Do you think consumers wont get on the planes until the federal government says you have to wear a mask . Absolutely. Were going to have to go through a new kind of lets call it risk calculation. That is going to be based upon levels of what we believe is safe and not safe. And were going to have to be told. Unfortunately, we have a witch doctor as a president and he aint going to tell us. And the science part of it, i think that has to be translated into more practical solutions. So somebody is going to have to say, yes, you must wear masks, period. Or, no, take your chances, but the chances are pretty good. There will be a teething period where well kind of get used to this. I think the next couple of months, as people who arent going to do it anyway because they aint going to stay in their houses or apartments, are going to get out there, and well learn some stuff. I think with the mistakes that will be made, and hopefully some authorities telling us what we can and cant do, well, by labor day, well be out of it. Yes, i do not believe that life has ever changed. At some point i think this is going to be over, and we humans are going to get back to the life that we had made for ourselves. Now, maybe we say in some cases it went too fast, environmental issues, etc. , but basically were all going to get together again. So. Whatever. Brennan well, thank you for your analysis, youre reality check. You see a lot of consumer businesses, so it is an important counterpoint to what we are being told right now. Mr. Dillard, thank you very much for your time. We will be right back. Untry. Stick with it. And what we do here is very important to peoples lives every single day. With the Current Situation that were in, its not going to stop us. We continue to deliver medical supplies and equipment to our hospitals. Well continue to deliver essential goods to our stores. And it takes great teamwork. And i feel very fortunate to have that here. Strength. What we deliver by delivering. Step by step, were going toto figure this out. Were gonna find a way through this. Worrk, our nurses, our techs, all the docs. Its about staggering when people get sick so that the hospitals can cope. Were gonna go through an awful lot of these. All across puget sound, people have been stepping up and donating personal protective equipment. We stay at work. For you. You stay at home for u