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Tillerson . Who reportedly privately referred to the president as a moron. Over the weekend the president suggested tillersons job was safe. We disagree on a couple of things. Types i would like him to be a little bit tougher, but other than that, we have a very good relationship. And in las vegas, investigators are still trying to determine Stephen Paddocks motive for killing 58 people and wounding close to 500. We will preview what they told cbs newss 60 minutes of his meticulous planning. The distance, the elevation he was on, the dropoff of what his bullet was going to be, so he would know where to shoot. Dickerson lawmakers in washington call for a new gun control americans after the attack. We will talk with the National Rifle Association Wayne lapierre and long time advocate for stricter gun laws, senator Dianne Feinstein. And from College Football please join us now in a moment of silence to recognize the 58 souls we have lost. Dickerson to saturday night live. Well, i wont back down. Dickerson the nation honors the victims of the rampage. We will have our own words of tribute. All that and plenty of political analysis ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. We want to begin this morning with Mark Strassmann who is in biloxi, mississippi, mark, nate was a hurricane when it hit the gulf coast but has now been downgraded to a tropical storm. How bad is the initial damage and is the worst over . Good morning, john, well this is the call after the storm was nate, nate came astore with its 85 Miles Per Hour winds in the dead of night as predicted, the major worry was storm surge up to 11 feet was forecast, and flooding into the citys casinos, that was one issue. The good news is that nobody was reported hurt or killed but in four states, 100,000 people have lost power. John, this was such a fastmoving storm that the cleanup here in biloxi has already begun. Dickerson so, mark, where is the is the storm headed next . Alabama, mississippi, georgia, in fact, john, much of the deep south is going to have a very soggy sunday. Dickerson Mark Strassmann for us in biloxi, thanks, mark. We turn now to the deadly mass shooting in las vegas. Senator Dianne Feinstein joins us from san francisco. Senator, you are supporting a bill that would ban these bump fire stocks. Do you have any republican supervisosupport for that bill. We have republican interest. I have nobody lined up. We have 38 cosponsored and all democratic. We had individuals that have indicated an interest and particularly for a hearing. Dickerson the nra put out a statement on thursday suggesting they would support looking into regulations that would keep these bump fire stocks from being sold. What did you make of that position . Well, i thought that is a step forward. And it is appreciated. Regulations respect going to do it. With he need a law. It cant be changed by another president. Right now we are seeing one president change actions of a president that came before him, and that would happen in this area, and i hope that americans will step up and say, enough is enough. Congress do something. What do you make of the increased sales of bump fire stock in the passing of the legislation . I dont 0 know what to make of it. What in event said, this is a welltodo man. He wasnt mentally ill. He wasnt a criminal. He wasnt a juvenile, he wasnt a gang banker and, gang banger and he because 50 wells, bump stocks, breakthrough two windows in his hotel suite and take aim at 10s of thousands, well, i guess, over 1,000 people at a concert. And this was such a crosssection of america that it really struck at every one of us that this could happen to you. And we want to stop it. Dickerson could there have been any law passed that would have stopped him . No. He passed background checks, registering for handguns and other weapons on multiple occasions. Dickerson one of the things that has been a part of this debate is some people right after this massacre called for more gun regulations and said something must be done, blamed the nra and what gun rights advocates heard is they heard that call for something to be done and what they heard in that is people essentially saying we want to ban semiautomatic weapons. Well, that is just plain wrong. This is written in keen english. You can take a look at it. I will send a copy of it. It is a twopage bill. I will send a copy of it to anyone who calls our office. And you can look at it yourself. It does not take anyones gun. Dickerson on the other side those who would like to restrict guns in america who hear a bill targetedas you have described it, nearly that this idea that bump fire stocks and say, the only way to stop this kind of situation in america is to ban these kind of semiautomatic weapons and weapons that can fire with fluidity and what do you say to those people . I agree with them to a great extent. What i dont, a because as you know i did the assault weapons legislation in 1993, which was the law of the land for ten years. So i believe i mean, i have watched this thing from the texas bell tower to today in schools and businesses and workplaces. No one appears to be safe anywhere. Dickerson let me ask, get your thoughts on another piece of legislation, the nra as mentioned in response to this, the shooting they have talked about passing the concealed carry reciprocity which essentially allows someone who has a conceal carry per in it in one state to carry it throughout other states like a drivers license would work, what is your opinion of that bill in the senate . My opinion of that bill is terrible. We want every american to feel comfortable packing a concealed weapon . Around the country . I represent 40 million californians, and i can say without hesitation californians do not want concealed carry. Dickerson if they say, though, this is a right protected be at this Second Amendment of the coons constitution, why is it california who gets to deny people the exercise of that right . Well, i dont believe it is protected by the constitution. To conceal it without a permit. Dickerson well in this case they would say if you had a permit in one state then that permit would be honored by the other states again like the way a license would be for driving. I am saying that the state i represent would not want any part of that, nor should any american. You just make the situation worse. You let somebody with a weapon who may do you harm get chose to you. Why would you want that . Dickerson let me switch here to another topic for you, which is the Senate Intelligence Committee Work you have been doing, chairman burr of that Committee Says the issue of collusion with the russian and the Trump Campaign is an open, is that because there is more disclosures that suggest it is a possibility or just because nothing has been found yet and it is an open question because there is no proof that it has happened . I think the latter. It is an open question, because there is no proof yet that has happened, and i think that proof will likely come with mr. Muellers investigation. He has got the ability to use the grand jury. He has got the ability to use the power of subpoena. Without question and he has got the ability to do a criminal investigation. And that is what is going on and i think that is where the information will come. What happens in a political body, and i am finding this as the Ranking Member on the judiciary committee, everything has to be negotiated. With the party in power. And it is very difficult to do an investigation under those circumstances. Dickerson final question, senator. The president is thinking about decertifying the Iranian Nuclear deal, which means he would essentially kick it over the congress and say, congress, you can sanction iran again or add new sanctions which would break the deal if congress did nothing, the deal would essentially remain intact. What do you think the appetite is in congress for more sanctions on iran . Well, i will tell you this, john. Yesterday or the day before yesterday now, in the Senate Judiciary committee, we had a very complete intelligence briefing on iran. There is no question but that iran has complied with the structures of the, strictures of the deal and when either ieaa found something or anybody else found something it was quickly remedied. If there was a glitch. So they have cooperated. I think 100 percent. The greatest ramification from this would be to really create a crisis for north korea, because it would five north korea, give north korea reason to believe, well, nothing the republicans do can you trust. When you have the united kingdom, france, germany, russia, china, and the United States, all agreeing to support something and then the United States goes through an election, a new president pulls us out, what does that say . Dickerson all right, senator feinstein thanks so much for being with us. Thanks, john. Dickerson joining us now . The executive havent and ceo of the National Rifle association, wayne lapierre, welcome. Thank you, john. Senator feinstein wants legislation to ban bump fire stocks, what is the nra position on that . , you know, can i say first, this has been a tragic week and we had nra members out there in the middle of that tragedy, we had nra families, we had families wounded out there. It just has been horrible. But the people that are trying to politicize this tragedy i would say this. To there are monsters like this monster out there every day. There are menaces out there every day. People want to be able to protect themselves. Thats why they support this freedom. All of the elites that have been speaking out this past week, they all want to protect themselves. If they all protect themselves with armed security. I mean, they criticize the nra, i i dont you want to talk about irresponsible use of firearms . The number one person teaching irresponsible use of firearms is all of these elites employer, the hollywood, Television Gaming industry, we spend millions teaching responsible use of firearms, they make billions every single day, john, teaching irresponsible use of firearms. They are so hypocritical it is unbelievable. Dickerson but is it really an elite position for a person to think if there is evil in the world, perhaps there should be something that is makes a little harder for the evil person to get their hand on something that can fire bulls with stump rapid at this and then bump fire stocks which make it available even faster that is not elite that is somebody trying to figure out how to get less people dead. I do think this if we could have legislated morality we would have done it a long time ago, as we said parks irs would not have happened, they outlawed automatic guns, brussels, san per far to f San Bernadino, california has every gun law under th the sun, but on bump stocks let me say this, the fact is that the Obama Administration a couple of years ago legalized the device, their atf, they fuzzed the line between semiautomatics and fully aunts, and if we are able to fuzz that line all semiautomatics are at risk. I have been arguing with Dianne Feinstein for years and she has been trying to ban semiautos, saying a semiauto, it is not an assault weapon like you say, Dianne Feinstein and it is not a machine gun. If you fuzz the line, they are all at risk and we are not going to let that happen. Dickerson well, lets not news the line. She says this specific piece of legislation just bans bump fire stocks. So does the nra support that or no. It ising to convert a semiautomatic to a fully automatic, atf needs to do its job, they need to look at this and do its job. Dickerson her argument is they cant rule on this, it is out of their purview, it has to be done in legislation, so is the nra position it can be done through legislation or opposing it or what . We think atf ought to do its job, look at this and draw a bright line. Dickerson if i am a republican and i am a fan of the nra do i want to say no or yes to legislation that does this . I think you want to tell atf to do its job, it is an enter preif the issue and they need to get the job done, but not let Dianne Feinstein which is what she wants to do, turn this all into some Christmas Tree on the hill where she brings all of her antigun circus she has been trying to do for years into this. Dickerson well, here is the problem people have with the nra is they hear you say that and basically they say, well, mr. Lapierre is trying to do is tell any gun owner that any measure to regulate guns of any kind is really an effort to take their guns away, therefore they should be fearful, that you are basically trying to scare them. We have. Reporter . We have all kinds of gun laws on the books we dont enforce anyone of them. Enforce federal gun laws in chicago if you want to do something there. A felon touches a gun, five years in prison, criminal members, ten to 20. I mean, Dianne Feinstein universal checks she has been talking about the last week there is not a gang member in chicago that is going, hey, i am going to get you but first i have to go through Dianne Feinsteins background check. It is nonsense. Dickerson stepping back does the nra, is the nra position that you are okay with the current restrictions against fully automatic . We have supported the existing law in fully automatic firearms. And what we dont want is we dont want the line to be fuzzed, because if you fuzz the line, you are putting every semiautomatic firearms for years, and i corrected Diana Feinstein over and over and over when she says assault weapons are fully automatic guns i said they are not but if somebody fuzz it is line you are putting every semiautomatic firearm at risk. Dickerson to be fair to Dianne Feinstein she didnt fuzz the line in the conversation we had, she was actually perhaps because over the years you have come on the winning end of these arguments said this only deals with this one specific bump fire stock. So in this case, the line is not being fuzzed. Well, the fact is, the bump stock does fuzz the line, though, and thats why atf needs to do its job but we really need to get back if we are going to do something, lets do something meaningful, i mean outrage they are trying to stir against the nra they ought to be stirring against the Mental Health system which is completely collapsed all of the Police Officers know it, they are back on the streets, we dump it on the Police Officers, we ought to enforce federal gun laws and do something about our criminal Justice System which is camp and release, places like dc are Second Chance cities, well the Second Chance is taken out against the good guys. Dickerson have you talked to President Trump about any of this . You know, i have not, i think some people have talked to the administration but we have let them know where we stand. But it comes down to at 2 00 a. M. In the middle of the night there is not a Government Authority on the planet that substitutes for your right to own a firearm, people want to be able to protect themselves when they cross a state line. Thats why we are fighting torres process at this. It is about the good guys protecting themselves. Dickerson let me ask you about reciprocity, federalism suggest it is state should make their laws, 32 states have said they dont want reciprocity, why should the federal government come in and tell the states what to do. 42 states now have good carry laws and the fact is, i dont think those states have a problem with their folks protecting them sceferls when they cross a state line. I mean, the honest people, nobody should be forced to face evil with empty hands. And the fact is, we dont want the honest people crossing a state line, somebody who ought to be in jail inflicting evil on them and then the honest person going, oh, no, not me. Thats their life words. Dickerson people from the other side see in and they say, why are garb is it so easy to get very lethal gheps is that just the price of freedom in your view . Criminals could care less. You know, i mean, accessibility is about accessibility for the good guys. Thats what the Second Amendment is all about. And as i said all along the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Dickerson but in this case nobody is a good guy, if they pulled out their weapon they were afraid they would get shot. In las vegas the first thing i heard people say when they sheltered in place is somebody said, hey do you want a gun . I mean, does anybody have a gun . Dickerson would that have helped in las vegas . Finally good guys with guns got there, i mean the guy killed himself first but thank god there were good guys with guns on the way. I mean, Dianne Feinstein wants this utopian World Without guns. She said if i could go door to door and pick them up i would but the fact is, in that utopian world, every time bad happens, evil happens, it is food guys with guns that stop it. Dickerson we are out of town. Thanks so much. Thanks, john. Thanks for having me. Dickerson and we will be back in a minute. On on thes section at this minutes the las vegas Police Officers who stormed stephen Paddocks Hotel rooms speak in depth for first time with correspondent Bill Whitaker and reveal what they found. I have been noticed, a note on the nightstand near his shooting platform, i could see on it had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the dropoff of what his bullet was going to be for those for the crowd, so he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there. What what were the numbers . He had gun calculations or yeah. He had written he must have done the calculations Oregon Online or something to figure it out of what his altitude was going to be, on how high up he was, how far out the crowd was going to be, and what, at that distance, what his drop of this bullet was going to be. Dickerson we are joined now by a former Homeland Security advisor to george w. Bush and cbs News National security analyst, Fran Townsend and former fbi profile easy, profiler, maryellen otoole. You heard about the calculations Stephen Paddock took. What does that have to say to you about his planning and what does it tell you about it . Two things he wanted the note to be found. He is very meticulous in the planning, and to carry that down to recording the exact distances between him and the ground, between him and the targets, i think it really is very telling about how detailed he was. Fran, at the end of last year, dhs and fbi did a threat assessment and they talked about shooters and they talk about the fact they were soft target it is ability to hit civilians and one thing they listed in the catalog here was the ability tgnifict ch weapons that do not require special access or training. They mentioned the shooting in San Bernadino and orlando. How much is this a part of a security problem . This is a tremendous problem and the 0 problem Dianne Feinstein is talking about, it does not go far enough, you need to prohibit the sale and us. We are not talk act tbt single greatest factor that is in reality, which is these high capacity ammunition magazines. That is what allows you to fire many bullets before reloading. And 0 literally the empirical evidence is those are the single greatest factor, when you use that kind of a weapon, it increases lethal at this 300 percent. And so in states where they ban these high capacity magazines, they reduce the likelihood of a mass shooting by 63 percent, and so if we really want to have an impact what you need to do is stop the high the access to these high capacity ammunition magazines. Dickerson we have about 40 seconds left. What does it tell you as a profiler that somebody who purchases a lot of guns over a period of time or buys this much ammunition, what does that tell you . Well, it tells me that there is a real pass nation with weapons, especially if it covers a broad array of weapons. And if you compound that with someone who also has a fascination with violence and who may benefit certain personality types which we saw in the crime scene that is a very lethal combination. Dickerson all right. 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Marine veteran Taylor Winston took a strangers truck, drove victims to the hospital and returned to the shooting to do it again. Jonathan smith led more than two dozen people to safety and was then saved by tom mcgrath an offduty officer who stopped smiths bleeding when smith was shot. Firefighters steve keys was shot in the chest and wounded while performing cpr on another victim. Jack beat on the died shielding his wife of 23 years on their anniversary. Some of these people dedicated their lives to helping others all the time. In the military or as First Responders or as volunteers. Others simply had the human instinct, tragedy called it out but it was there before. We are surrounded by people who cultivate self lessness and generosity every day and we can all honor the sense of common humanity we feel in the wake of this tragedy by kindling a similar spirit ourselves, in our daily lives. After a tragedy we light candles to those who have died but we can also carry a light into the world as well. As a tribute to those who no longer can. Longer can. We will be back in a moment. Can we push the offer online . Brian, i just had a quick question. Brian . Brian. Legacy technology can handcuff any company. But yes is here. Youre saying the new app will go live monday . yeah. With help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. With the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. Dickerson you can keep up with the news of the week by subscribing to the face the nation diary podcast, find us on apple podcasts your favorite podcast platform. We will be right back with a lot more face the nation. Stay with us. Closed captioning provided by cbs Sports Division of the nfl. 210 consecutive starts. Hes had two good ones in a row. The giants looking for their first win of the season. Getting ready for the home opener in miami. Oh, yeah. Theres bills