Gaunzy committee. I am confident that i never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received. I think what youre seeing here is a very typical kind of discussion to some extent disagreement among various parts of the government over what should or should not be publicly released. A much ado about nothing defense from her. Well get a lot more on the clinton email controversy in the show. Right now i want to bring in the independent senator from vermont, Bernie Sanders, who joins me from new orleans. He has been spending the weekend in louisiana. Senator, welcome back to meet the press. Good to be with you, chuck. Youre in louisiana so let me start with the tragic news there. Get into the politics of it a little bit, which is having to do with the issue of gun control. A lot of democrats, president obama has expressed some remorse that he hasnt been able to make more progress on gun control. And you continue to walk a straddle a line here. You talk about youre sort of pro nra votes in vermont, having to do with being about vermont. Chuck, chuck, thats not what i said. I come from a state which has virtually no gun control, and yet i voted to ban certain types of assault weapons. I voted to close the gun show loophole and i voted for background instant background checks. What i said is that a nation as a nation we cant continue screaming at each other or else weve got to find common ground. What is that . What is that because you said it. Common ground for a start, universal instant background checks. Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background whos involved in Domestic Abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people who are unstable. Second of all, i believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of america. We have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated. There may be other things that we have to do. But coming from a rural state, i think i can commute with folks coming from urban states where guns mean Different Things than they do in vermont where its used for hunting. We dont have to argue with each other and yell at each other. We need a common sense solution. You bring up the instant background checks. If you look at the it appears to object situation in louisiana, the situation in charleston, there were background checks made and they didnt work. They didnt catch what was necessary. Instant background checks lead to more speed and more mistakes. Dont you need longer waiting periods . Well, what we need to do is whatever we need is a system that works. Bottom line is i hope that nobody in america disagrees that people, as in the case of the shooting here in louisiana, who have a history of mental instability should not be having guns. People who have criminal backgrounds, people who are abusing wives or girlfriends should not be having guns. That is the issue i think we can bring people together around. I guess going back to that question, we have those laws on the books and its not working. Then weve got to make them stronger and more enforceable. Thats what weve got to do. I want to move to you last night spoke at the southern christian leadership conference. Of course its a major civil rights organization, a lot of history there. But i want to play i want to play a clip that you had, sort of a reaction last week at net roots nation in a confrontation with a black lives matter i didnt have a confrontation. What i had was i was there to speak with Immigration Reform and some people started disrupting the meeting. The issue that they raised was in fact a very important issue about black lives matter about sandra bland, about black people getting yanked out of in this case of sandra bland, getting yanked out of an automobile thrown to the ground and ending up dead three days later because of a minor traffic violation. So this is an issue which is a very important issue, an issue of concern that i strongly share. Well, some people felt you were being too dismissive of the protesters. No im not dismissive. Ive been involved in the Civil Rights Movement all of my life and i believe that we have to deal with this issue of institutional racism. This is what i also believe, and speaking to the ftlc last night, this is what i quoted. Martin luther king, when he died, when he was assassinated understood and was working on a poor peoples march. We have to end institutional racism but we have to deal with the reality that 50 of young black kids are unemployed. We have massive poverty in america, in our country, and we have unsustainable level of income and wealth inequality. The criticism thats come to you is that your answer is always economic injustice. No. And many africanamerican activists believe, no, no no no youve got to deal with institutional racism is a separate problem from economic injustice. They are parallel problems they are absolutely correct. But as Martin Luther king jr. Told us we have to address both. We have to rid this country of racism racism. What we saw in charleston, south carolina, a few weeks ago, a guy motivated by hate groups who goes out and kills black people because theyre black. Sandra bland being yanked out of a car, dying three days later for what for minor traffic violation. But my view is that we have got to deal with the fact that the middle class of this country is disappearing. That we have millions of people working for wages that are much too low, impacts everybody. Impacts the Africanamerican Community even more. Those are issues that do have to be dealt with just at the same time as we deal with institutional racism. Hillary clinton on friday gave a speech in front of a wall street speech showing that she wants to get a little tougher on wall street. Does that tell you your campaign is working . Evening my campaign is working. A whole lot of people are talking about what ive been talking about for decades. And that it is morally unacceptable that the top onetenth of 1 of people in this country own almost as much wealth and the bottom 90 . We have millions of people working for starvation wages. Weve got to raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour. That we have a trade policy which allows corporations to shut down in america and take our jobs to cheap labor countries abroad. So i think that message is resonating. I am in red states, i am in blue states and i think the American People want changes in the way we do economics and politics. This morning new york times, Washington Post lump you and donald trump as touching the same chord in different ways. Do you buy that comparison. No, i dont. I think people around this country are profoundly disgusted with the economics that make the richest people richer and everybody else poorer. They are profoundly angered and disturbed by a Political Campaign system that that allows billionaires to buy elections because of this Disastrous Campaign finance system called Citizens United. What i have said is if elected president , were going to pass a constitutional amendment to get rid of Citizens United so we restore democracy in america. This is a huge huge issue. So you dont buy these comparisons to trump and the chord and populous chord hes touching either . No. We have people saying it is absurd who all new income and wealth is going to the top 1 . They cant afford to send their kids to college, they cant afford child care to their kids theyre working longer hours for low wages. We want an economy that works for all of us not just the billionaire class. We want a Campaign Finance system that ordinary people can run for office on without being dependent on the Koch Brothers and other billionaires. Senator Bernie Sanders, im going to leave it there. I know youve been all over the country campaigning. Stay safe on the trail, sir, thanks for coming on. My pleasure. Let me bring in the panel here. Jose diazbalart sara fagan, amy walter and ron fornier. Amy, let me start with you. You know hes fiery, he touches on these issues but its interesting here he was pretty quickly defensive with me on two areas. The Clinton Campaign is trying to poke at him a little bit here, guns and africanamericans. And on the liberal base. Look for all the talk about Hillary Clintons drop among and her favorables among the broader electorate when you see where she is among the democrat electorate, shes still very popular. The support for Bernie Sanders isnt coming at the expense of because theyre saying i which like Hillary Clinton im going to choose somebody else. They like her but also like his bluntness, they like his refreshing candor. He is the exact opposite of Hillary Clinton in terms of how he presents himself. And i think that is something thats appealing to democrats. But theyre not going to him because they think that Hillary Clinton is not a good enough advocate for them. You know, ron, theres Something Interesting in our polling in iowa and New Hampshire about Bernie Sanders and the rest of the field. We tested on Favorability Ratings about seven or eight candidates all the major candidates and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Theres just one candidate who has a net positive favorable rating Bernie Sanders. What does that tell you . Partly they dont know who he is and dont see him as part of the politics they hate the part of politics thats not getting anything done, the part of politics thats cynical, the part of politics thats broken. The week that donald trump got in i compared the two men. They both are channeling they both reflect the publics anger in politics. What is Hillary Clinton doing . Bless her soul but shes playing right into that disdain. We have a candidate here whos being secretive, unactable, not playing by the rules and not being honest or candid about her emails and thats exactly what the American People dont want. Jose if sanders has hit a ceiling right now, its because he cant convince africanamericans and latinos that hes a better choice than Hillary Clinton. Hes trying to get better on immigration, talk about it more. How did he do there . He wants to go back to economic injustice. He hasnt been perceived in the past as someone who is a standard bearer on the immigration issue. He was trying to do that by addressing the issue of immigration, but chuck, you know what it is i think people see in him . They see someone who probably believes what they say and says what they believe. You never look at him like hes a politician. You never get the sense that what hes telling you is focus group, what are the key terms to use. This is a guy who comes across. In that sense, chuck, i think there is a similarity with the perception there is out there with donald trump. When you see sanders, do you think its dragging Hillary Clinton to the left in a bad way or do you think its making her a better candidate . I think its dragging her to the left in a bad way. The reality is if you look back over the last 20 years, the last of the Democratic Party has moved farther to the right of the Republican Party. On taxes, on spending on social issues. They both moved fartherer to their spaces. They did, but they moved more. And her ability to win a general election is her ability to run as a centrist candidate. Bernie sanders will make that very difficult for her. I dont think george w. Bush was far different on immigration than but social issues spending taxes, they have moved farther to the left. He impercent phiscentimpercentsifies that. Where does sanders go from here and at what point does he get big enough joe biden doesnt get in . Does that have any impact on bidens thinking . I do think this is really the question for Hillary Clinton, which is at what point do voters say i dont know that i can trust her becoming much more of an issue and where Bernie Sanders hits it is exactly that. Theres an authentic authenticity. That she cannot replicate. At what point, chuck, does Hillary Clinton decide that grinding out this election and winning even if people dont trust me but im better than the other guy. Its if the person will do better for them. All the other issues are secondary. 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Naturally beautiful babies. Its no secret donald trump and Bernie Sanders have little in common. You saw bernie doesnt want to go there. Less known there is something there. They are starting more conventional rivals by surging in the polls thanks two two different strains of a classical American Political Movement poll you lichl. You got it. On the right he talks about what needs to be talked about, which is something that most politicians just distance around. On the left. He talks about whats going on in america. Trump and sanders supporters are disenchanted as what they see as a broken system. Fed up with washington dysfunction. Economic anxiety is fueling both campaigns but thats where the similarities end. Sanders supports are likely to be white, liberal and have a college education. Despite his focus on income inequality most of his support comes from voters earning more than 50,000 a year. Trump supporters are also more likely to be white but without a college degree. He performs somewhat better among selfdescribed moderates. We have a tremendous danger on the border with illegals coming in. And trump is taking advantage of a power of wedge, immigration. Were tired of the dishonesty and people that cant do anything. Hes not politically correct. You cant buy it okay . He has some ideas people need to Pay Attention to. Weve seen this attempt to appeal to Republican Voters who feel left behind economically and culturally before. Pat buchanan fueled anxiety inside the gop in 1992 and again in 1996. You want the establishment all the knights and bareons will be riding into the castle pulling up the drawbridge in a moment. All the peasants with pitch forecasts after them. Ross perot tapped a coalition of the disaffected back in 1992, winning 19 of the vote with fears that nafta will send jobs overseas. If trump follows perot trump would be sliding into the perot slot of 92 and would be the surrogate for the same voters and do the same thing. It would be a third clinton might get elected with less than 50 of the vote. Theres Bernie Sanders. A modern day Eugene Mccarthy with a message on economic inequality thats drawing crowds. All of our workers, from coast to coast, need 15 bucks an hour. 7500 in portland maine. 2500 in Council Bluffs iowa. Hes not bought by the billionaires. Hes honest and stands up for what he believes in. You cant buy him. The better sanders does, the more attention Hillary Clinton has to give to the progressives in her own party. Joined by pat buchanan who rode that populous wave in New Hampshire and won New Hampshire in 96. Also john nichols, washington correspondent for the nation, celebrating its 150th anniversary this month. Congratulations. Hes also interviewed Bernie Sanders many times. Welcome to you both. Pat, when you see trump and what he does i know youve hadh your own encounters in the past. Similar to what you rode in 92 . There are similarities. Trumps from the Republican Base hes exposing that and hitting two of the strong populous histories. One is overlap with Bernie Sanders thats the trade issue, export of american jobs and factories and whats happening to the american middle class. The other one trump is hitting which is one of the hottest issues in the whole west as well as the United States, is the massive invasion, if you will and what people feel is the conquest of the west by massive third world immigration from refugees and border jumpers and all the rest. Hes wired into both of th