You can follow some of the people you have heard in this episode on Twitter at @lizcarlile and @KrystynaSwider4. Follow the podcast on @IIED_Voices for all the latest updates. Indigenous knowledge, people and nature – all crucial to Kunming full transcript Host [00:00:01]: You are listening to Make Change Happen, the podcast from the International Institute for Environment and Development, IIED. In this episode, host Liz Carlile talks with colleagues and international partners about the concept of biocultural heritage, what it means and why it will be so important in the major 2021 negotiation conferences for both climate change and the Convention on Biological Diversity.