Morning, 17 year old luke littler hits a nine dart finish as he wins the premier league of dans as he wins the premier league of darts final at the o2 as he wins the premier league of darts final at the 02 west hams. Lucas paqueta is charged by the fa for allegedly getting booked deliberately and affecting the betting market. You know what that means and where is the olympic flame today . I hear you ask. Ask. Where is he . Where is he . Good morning. Its a bit of a cooler day for most of us today, but how are things shaping up for the Bank Holiday Weekend . Find out all the details with me a little later on. Where is the olympic flame today . Well , its today . Well, its funny you should ask that because ill tell you very shortly. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, that worked well. Well, that worked well. Well, that worked well. Rehearsals are full. We should have done one. Im Stephen Dixon. Good morning, good morning, im ellie costello, and this is breakfast on gb news. This mays fallen. Hes fallen over on his way out of the studio. Youre right. Youre right. Are you okay . Yes. Im. Yeah, i just i think i think it was the. It was the unrehearsed tease that i did just now has thrown me. And ive now bumped into a light. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Its going to be one of those days. There you go. Heres the thing for both of you. Oh, yeah. Holidays when we go on holiday. Are you one of these people who walks into the supermarket and goes, oh, look, they do kick cats. Yes. Thats. Yes, thats exactly. Yeah. Well, theres this fella in the in the daily star who, is , the in the daily star who, is, is going on an all inclusive holiday. So hes paid for all his food and most of it, its £1,400. Its cost him and his suitcase is full of food. Snacks. So hes taken , oat snacks. So hes taken, oat burst, whatever that is. Right. Walk. Walkers crisps would he . Biscuits. Where is he going . Biscuits. Where is he going . Every flavour of pot noodle. You could think of, where is he going . Because he does kind of depend where youre going. If hes in the middle of the amazon, then its understandable that he wants to take some crisps. Egypt. Going to egypt . Going to egypt . Yeah, to egypt, taking a bottle of brown sauce to egypt. He says hes got sausages as isuppose he says hes got sausages as i suppose you can take meat into places. Oh, i wouldnt be travelling with sausages, but anyway. Oh, and even shampoo. Well shampoo. Fair enough. Space raiders discos every flavour of pot noodle you can think of. See, i have been known to pack teabags. Id pack teabags because you cant get a good cup of tea abroad. You know, in america if you go. They do not understand. Even go. They do not understand. Even to this day i do not understand. A cup of tea and you go, why do you want milk with that . Id just like. Well, what seems to be the problem . And then its like, have you got tea . But what is it . What is it . Lemon tea drives me crazy, so thats understandable. Its where they bring it. They bring you a tea part with hot water in it, and then a tea bag separate. And you know what . And you know what . You brew the bloomin thing. You cant buy a kettle in america. Did you know that . No they dont. You cannot buy a kettle. I stayed with someone. I want to make some tea. And they go, well, the only kettle they have is when they put it on the hob and then heat up the water. Its crazy. They might. Its a very behind country. Ill have you know, america backwards. Yes, backwards. Well, youre a bit like this fella who says im only interested in the free beer at the all inclusive. The food. Do you mean im a bit like him . Youd be like that. Thats nothing like that. Gin. Then i might peach folk. Yeah, right. Come on. Right. Guess im off. Go. Ill see you later. Ive gotta go and work you. But anyway, its crazy. What a waste of money. Well no, i understand that, actually, not to that extent, but i think. Do you think a few home comforts on the two and the tea bags . I comforts on the two and the tea bags . I think thats a good idea. Digestives, digestives, that sort of thing. You know. Yeah. And i think its nice to have a few snacks in a hotel room. Anyway, if youre like this fella whose name escapes me, john phillips, then gbnews. Com yoursay let us know. Gbnews. Com yoursay let us know. Now, the Prime Minister has launched the opening gambit of this election, accusing his opposite number of lacking the courage to debate him. Rishi sunak wants to debate keir starmer every single week in the run up to voting day , and in the run up to voting day, and this comes as a survey shows reform is really threatening 28 conservative seats across the country. Well, theres lots to get through. Joining us now is gb news Political Correspondent. Olivia utley. Good to see you this morning, olivia. Shall we start on the subject of debates . Because rishi sunak says hes keen to debate sir keir starmer every week for the next six weeks. Is that even feasibly possible . Were trying to run a campaign at the same time. Campaign at the same time. Well, every single week does seem very bold when youve got two people who are running up and down the country , on and down the country, on campaign trails. I think its going to be hard to get them in the same place six different times over the next six weeks. Its a very president ial tactic that the Prime Minister is taking here. He seems to want this election to be about rishi sunak versus keir starmer, rather than the conservatives versus labour. Now thats a tactic that might pay off. Polling shows that keir starmer is actually less popular than the labour Party Overall, but rishi sunak isnt very much more popular than the conservative Party Overall , so its not quite Party Overall, so its not quite clear if its sensible. It sounds as though the Prime Minister wants to turn these six tv debates if they actually happen into conversations about immigration and the economy. Now on the economy, the Prime Minister is on relatively strong ground. Technically of course, the uk is now out of a recession. Growth went up by 0. 6, and were seeing a fall in inflation now at 2. 3. And at some point somewhere down the line, we are expecting Interest Rates to go down. Whats even better for rishi sunak is that gas prices are now beginning to go down, and he can point to that as evidence that his economic changes are making a real world effect on immigration. Im not sure if the Prime Minister is quite as on quite such solid ground as he seems to think. Yes, you can make an argument that labours plan for illegal migration is a bit thin on the bones. If Yvette Cooper slightly dodges and evades when shes asked exactly what will happen to migrants who come over here and have their claims, when their claims are being processed . And then what happens when theyre rejected or accepted . But of course, rishi accepted . But of course, rishi sunak cant exactly claim a clean sweep on migration either. He promised to stop the boats, and actually the number of small boats has risen on last year, although its slightly down still on 2022, the rwanda plan is across the line in parliament, but of course we havent actually seen flights take off and rishi sunak has now said we cant expect them to take off before the next general election. There is an argument that what sunak is trying to do is get the flights all ready to go is get the flights all ready to 9 is get the flights all ready to go , so that he can say on the go, so that he can say on the third, 2nd of july, if you vote for me on the 5th of july, these flights will be taking off. If you vote for keir starmer, then these flights will be grounded and the whole scheme will be scrapped , even though its all scrapped, even though its all up and raring to go. Thats what sunakis up and raring to go. Thats what sunak is going to try and do in these tv debates. But keir starmer is a pretty solid performer at the despatch box and i think we can expect him to be pretty confident in in debating sunak. Yes. And but its interesting isnt it , because yes. And but its interesting isnt it, because theres no yes. And but its interesting isnt it , because theres no way isnt it, because theres no way the six would happen. It would be unprecedented. But im right be unprecedented. But im right in thinking, arent i, that keir starmer has agreed to two which frankly would would probably be enough. So its not like hes shying away from the debates altogether either. Altogether either. No. Absolutely not. I mean, this line from rishi sunak that, keir starmer is too scared to debate him. I mean, that that doesnt play out at all already. Labour have said that keir starmer will take part. Hes keen to take part in debates. Of course hell take part in debates. They say there will be at least two tv debates. Im not sure if theres even an appetite in the country for six tv debates. And of course, keir starmer has this line which i think will probably play quite well with the public, that what he wants is for politics to tread more lightly on peoples lives. I think after sort of 6 or 7 very political years in britain, theres quite a big swathe of the public whos ready for the for politics to tread more lightly on their lives. And of course, six tv debates would not come under that heading. So i think keir starmer, if he wants to do just maybe one, two, three, tv debates with rishi sunak will have a pretty good case, okay, olivier, thanks very much indeed. Well, let us know what you think about that. How many debates would you like to sit down and watch between sir keir starmer and rishi sunak . I think youre right. I think two is probably enough. Yeah, yeah, i was going to say one, but actually you probably, you probably need to sort of have a rematch if you like , but i think, i think like, but i think, i think thats enough. Yeah. Six would be make your mind up. Of course the issue is in my keir starmer will be sort of shying away from them more than the Prime Minister is it . In effect, hes got more to lose. Effect, hes got more to lose. Yeah. Its 21 points ahead. Yeah. Its 21 points ahead. Yeah. Its 21 points ahead. Yeah. Keep your mouth shut. Youll probably just walk into number 10 if the polls are right , so hes got hes got more to lose in that sense , but we shall lose in that sense, but we shall see. Anyway, ed davey hasnt been invited to any of these as yet. I mean, that will be the next big point of contention. Whos invited . Yes, lib dems eamonn. If theyre not invited, and then of course, reform. Should they be on the stage . Should they be on the stage . Yeah. Should should they be there . And then of course. Well then you get the weve seen it in the past and you get the greens and you get the snp and everyone. But of course then it turns into one of these huge things where you dont get any proper answers, or do you just debate between the two men who could be Prime Minister, in effect . Effect . Yeah, well, i just know what you think. Gbnews. Com yoursay were going to be talking to the lib dems local government spokeswoman helen morgan. Thats in the next hour. So were getting all perspectives on this. But in the meantime, lets talk to local government editor from conservative home harry phibbs morning to you, harry. Has this been a strong start for the Prime Minister yes, i think i think it has. I actually think it is quite, bold and gutsy of him to well, obviously to call the election , obviously to call the election, earlier than than most people, certainly earlier than i was expecting , but also i think expecting, but also i think challenging keir starmer saying, you know, he wants lots of debates. He, hes, up for the, up for the fight that although hes, accepts hes the underdog. He hasnt, he hasnt given up. I he hasnt, he hasnt given up. I do think that whether its whether its through , debates or whether its through, debates or otherwise, that that the focus probably on this election will be on labour because people are understandably the media scrutinise the government for years. They. Whats the government doing about this, what the government doing about that. And its only really in a general election that it becomes , not not whether you like the government or not, but but the choice and i think that that therefore when keir starmer is put under, under scrutiny, then then, we could well see the polls narrow an example the times this morning leading with the with a story about energy bills and net zero and, and, and the and the threat of increased energy bills from, from labour with their or their very alarmist, Climate Change, policies of saying, oh, the planets coming to an end and so we need to, push up energy bills, which is very much been the message from, ed miliband, certainly. So, you know, i think certainly. So, you know, i think that i think that thats thats type of issue. Labour will probably find themselves pressed on over the next six weeks. Well, we are going to be talking to Claire Coutinho from the government on exactly that a little bit later on in the program. But, harry, i wanted to ask you about the role of reform in all of this because we are seeing them very quickly become the third Biggest Party in this country. And theres new yougov data out today that suggests that reform could threaten 28 tory seats. Tory seats. Yes, i think there are. There are a lot of people who are conservatives who probably still think of themselves as conservative, who are who are dismayed by various , policies dismayed by various, policies that the governments been putting forward. And in a way, i think it doesnt really matter if they abstain because theyre angry or they make a protest by voting for reform uk. Those voting for reform uk. Those those are votes where theyre not going to go to labour. But of course, if you get if you get millions of conservatives staying at home, then you get a laboun staying at home, then you get a labour, landslide by default. So that that really is the i mean the reform uk will say, oh, the labour conservatives are exactly the same or whatever, i think that i think that the conservatives will probably be saying no, look , there is saying no, look, there is a difference and a Labour Government would, be completely at odds with what reform uk voters would, would like to see. So i think itll be, you know, who who are you voting against will probably be the pitch rather than who youre voting for. If rather than who youre voting for. If youre if youre trying to trying to sort of win over some of these , some of these some of these, some of these disillusioned, conservatives , disillusioned, conservatives, harry, good to see you this morning. Thanks very much indeed. Its worth pointing out we were hoping to speak to someone representing the Labour Party Just then, but we have that lie ins dropped out technology for you. But were getting lots of views from the labour party throughout the course of the programme. Of course, this morning. Well, lets get the thoughts now of reform uk deputy leader ben habib. Good to see you this morning ben , and im sure youre morning ben, and im sure youre very pleased with that new yougov data out this morning. That reform could threaten 28 tory seats. Tory seats. Well, we intend to threaten them right across the country in every seat they hold. And, i mean , harrys right the way the mean, harrys right the way the conservative party will wish to spin this whole election is. Who do you want to vote against . But if you want to change the country for the better, if you want a change in direction in the way the country is governed, youve got to decide who you wish to for , vote not who you wish to for, vote not who you wish to for, vote not who you wish to for, vote not who you wish to vote against. And actually, the only change on offer on on the ticket is from reform uk. If you look at conservative party policy, the way its played out, their high taxation, big borrowing, big state intervention , high state intervention, high immigration, net zero and labour are that plus a bit more all on the same, all on you know all in the same, all on you know all in the same, all on you know all in the same direction. Whereas the same direction. Whereas reform uk stands 180 degrees against virtually every single thing i just said. So you know, if people want a change in the way the country is governed, theyve got to vote for it. And thats the challenge were going to have, is getting people out who would otherwise be disillusioned with politics, disillusioned with politics, disillusioned with politics, disillusioned with small c conservatism because even though they want it, no party is prepared to offer it. We need to prepared to offer it. We need to get them off their sofas into the polling booths on the 4th of july. Voting for reform uk. July. Voting for reform uk. The problem youve got, though, in trying to youve got people who are supporting you, right, who are frustrated and thats understandable. But youve got to win people over. Youve got to win people over. And the problem youve got is apart from being a sort of protest party, if you like, people are going to say, well, well, what are reform going to do about the nhs . What are reform going to do about education . What are reform going to do about social care . All these issues . What do reform going to do about, you know, maintaining our roads and our highways and its all these issues until we see a manifesto. Issues until we see a manifesto. And unless youve actually laid all that out in fine detail and again, people arent going to really know what theyre voting for. For. Well, actually, we have laid it out in fine detail. If you go to our website, weve got a contract with the people, which sets all of this out. And its all funded, by the way, by two very significant changes , is very significant changes, is that we would make in government policy, both of which the labour party and conservative party are not prepared to make. The first is the ditching of net zero, which, by the treasurys own estimate, is costing £50 billion per annum roughly, and the removal of the free right of passage that commercial banks are being given as a result of getting interest on the money that was created for them when they sold their debt to the bank of england, which is costing the country about 30 or £40 billion a year, just by ditching net zero and removing this free interest that the banks get, we would save 80 to £100 billion per annum, which would give us the ability to roll out all our other policies, including those associated with the nhs, which for which by the way, we have some very novel ideas. Again none of whic