For labour, its the man who saw woke. Its a wonder he sleeps. Benjamin butterworth in the blue corner, trying to find some gloom among the wreckage. Its. Ill be. Rishi can still win this amankona. And in the spoilt ballot. I couldnt give a fig about any of them. Its the one and only ben. Leo trying to bnng and only ben. Leo trying to bring a bit of sanity to proceedings and making her debut on the show, i finally got another durham dynamo in the form of fleur meston. And of course we want to know your views as well. Send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews. Com yoursay vie. And dont forget all your questions. They need to come in thick and fast for our ask the five segment, where you can ask us anything. But before we start tearing each other apart, its your saturday night news with sam francis. Sam francis. Darren. Thank you and very good evening to you. Its just gone 6 00 and well start with the latest developments in the local elections and to london, where labours sadiq khan has won there for a historic third term. This was the moment, though, that he was heckled and booed as he stepped up to start his acceptance speech. Thank you, london. Confused. London. Confused. London can you please . Well, the labour candidate claimed almost 44 of the vote in london and over 275,000 more votes than his conservative rival susan hall. During the contest. He has been criticised for his expansion of the caphaps for his expansion of the capitals ultra low emission zone and rising crime rates. But mr khan says he is keeping positive. Positive. Its londoners who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer , mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change a future Labour Government led by keir starmer. Government led by keir starmer. Working with us in city hall will mean we can go much further and accomplish so much more. And accomplish so much more. Well, labours also celebrating successes in liverpool, in South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire in greater manchester, two where andy burnham has been re elected. He picked up just over 63 of the vote there and says hell always give his best to the job. Im overwhelmed , so have so im overwhelmed, so have so many people to prepared put their trust in me . Is overwhelming. Its humbling , and overwhelming. Its humbling, and i recognise that people who vote for other parties at a general election of lend me their support and its why i will be very, very rigid in taking a place first rather than a party first approach. Seems to me that thats what the role of the mayor is all about, bringing people together, you know, get everybody pulling in the same direction for a great city region like this one. And thats what i will be doing. What i will be doing. Andy burnham there, speaking earlier this afternoon. Well, heres a look at the gains and losses this afternoon in the local elections across england. If youre watching on tv, you can see here those latest results. Labour now gaining control of eight councils up to a total of 50. And the liberal democrats have one more council seat overall than the conservatives. Meanwhile, in the West Midlands, a recount has been ordered. In other news, the been ordered. In other news, the family of Daniel Anjorin say they are devastated after he was killed walking to school in london on tuesday. The 14 year old, whos been described as loving and precious, was attacked by a man with a sword in hainault. Four other people in hainault. Four other people in two, including two Police Officers, were also injured in that attack. Marcus monzo, a that attack. Marcus monzo, a spanish brazilian dual national, was charged with murdering the teenager and appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court on thursday. Weve heard today that thursday. Weve heard today that tens of thousands of homes in east sussex are still without water, and that will last until at least tomorrow after a pipe burst, southern water says disruption in the Saint Leonards on sea area and hastings started on sea area and hastings started on thursday. The firm, though, insists it is working tirelessly to get supplies back up and running. But residents say its been disastrous. Dozens of been disastrous. Dozens of migrants in two small boats have crossed the channel today. Footage captured the moment that a french vessel followed the boats until reaching english waters. The passengers on board, most of them men , were taken to most of them men, were taken to a British Border force vessel off the coast of dover. It bnngs off the coast of dover. It brings the total number of people arriving in the uk via the channel so far this year to now, more than 8300 and finally pro palestinian students are continuing their protests at universities across the uk. It universities across the uk. It follows violent demonstrations at some campuses in the us , sit at some campuses in the us, sit in camps, and anti israel banners have been set up at some universities to protest israels war against hamas. Students in bristol, in leeds, manchester, newcastle and in sheffield are currently camping out in tents outside their campus buildings. Outside their campus buildings. Those are the headlines. Ill be back at 7 00. Until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Slash alerts. Its saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes and i can promise that youre in for a very lively two hours. Lets crack on with tonights first debate. All right. Which rapscallion wants to lead us off tonight . Well, darren, its me, and im here to say that its not all doom and gloom for the tories. After a set of tories. After a set of particularly bruising local Election Results. Now, it is Election Results. Now, it is absolutely for sure that there will be many tories, many tory activists up and down the country licking their wounds after a particularly wounding set of local Election Results. Set of local Election Results. But im here to say that its not actually as bad as it looks, because if we look at the votes extrapolated onto onto the national picture, it actually shows just a 10 or 11 lead for the labour party. If we look at whats happened in london, susan hall lost to sadiq khan, but actually by a much smaller margin than what the National Polling picture says. So could the polls actually be wrong . And the polls actually be wrong . And could the race for the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom actually be much tighter than we initially thought . Benjamin butterworth, what do you make of this . Because polls nationally are putting the labour party 20 plus points ahead of the conservative party but if we look at whats happenedin but if we look at whats happened in the local elections, yes, the tories have lost hundreds of councillors. Thats absolutely true. But if we look absolutely true. But if we look at the actual margin between them, its about 10 or 11. So much closer than we thought initially. You know god loves a trier. So good on you. Youve made the effort. Yeah. I was reading today actually that, in 1996, when the tories had two terrible results, the tory line was, oh, the public dont really like tony blair. Youre hearing a lot of the same things about keir starmer. Itsjust of the same things about keir starmer. Its just trying to excuse it. Now, look, the facts of this is, as professor sir john curtice, the oracle of psephology, always says, local elections are actually quite hard to copy and paste on to national ones. So if you look at the results, if its 10 or 11 by the end of counting, as it will be later today, or maybe tomorrow, then that would mean its a bigger margin than we saw in last years local elections. And if you look at where the seats where the wards have shifted, theyre very well targeted. So youve got redditch, youve got rushmoor, youve got milton keynes. What youve got milton keynes. What youre seeing is middle class areas , conservative areas and areas, conservative areas and most of all leave voting areas. Having the biggest shifts from to tory labour. And so if you actually put that onto a general election, i think you would, you know, it still looks very positive for the labour party. I just want to get up some footage earlier on from sadiq khans victory speech here in london, where he was actually heckled as he was giving his victory speech. Were going to get those images for you. Get those images for you. Right now its londoners who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change, a future Labour Government led by keir starmer, working with us in city hall. Hall. So there was an actual heckling that went on. I believe its from the britain first party, which actually got fewer votes in the london Mayoral Election than count binface, who we saw behind sadiq khan. There i mean, what do you make, darren of britain first allegedly heckling sadiq khan . Well, i mean , i dont really well, i mean, i dont really care whos doing it. Whos i cant well just see the actual heckle because we didnt have it in that video from killed london khan killed london. So i mean you say thats britain. I dont you say thats britain. I dont know if thats britain first. Is it britain first . Well, hes got the rosette on. So you assume so. On. So you assume so. On. So you assume so. Right. Well i mean i dont care whos heckling him. I just know that i would do exactly the same thing in that scenario. You would have heckled sadiq khan. Absolutely. What have you. Why i think that that man is a divisive disgrace to this nation. But do you not think in a democratic society, if someone has won the popular vote, then in a democratic society, im free to tell that man what a loathsome creature. I think he is. And what do you think . If it is britain first thats heckled him, i dont care who it is. I dont think it matters who it is, albee. I mean, its britain first. Youd find plenty of non britain first people who would also heckle sadiq khan. I think theyve heckled. If susan hall won, sorry, would they have heckled if susan h ayward. Hayward. Lefties would have done. Lefties would have done. Probably not. Definitely no. I mean, look, you know, his lot was saying that the fascists and racists were voting for susan hall. Wes streeting tweeted something. The thing about the thing about free and fair democratic elections is that when you stand up and get the results, thats the consequence of the people. And so someone whos trying to heckle or shout, regardless of the reason or targeted at whom what theyre trying to do is, is distort their voice. You know, the people have voted for sadiq khan with a swing to the labour party. Fleur, are you enjoying the carnage . Well, i dont actually live in london right now, but i spend so much time here and i must say, i am a big one for complaining about the state of london. I mean, do you feel safe in london . No, i dont, if i have jewellery on and im on the tube ill hide it. If you look on the bbc news page, which is crime in london this week , its crime in london this week, its just like a majority of the stories of violent attacks, stabbings. I mean , just to read stabbings. I mean, just to read some of sadiq khans record here, theft is up 31, robbery is up 58, Sexual Offences up 43. Hes a complete failure. Benjamin butterworth and yet you i imagine, voted for sadiq khan rewarding his failure. Who did you vote for . Who did you vote for . Well, its a secret ballot, you see. I mean, look, you know, i do feel sorry, for count binface because he spent all those years trying to be the comedy candidate. And then susan hall turned up. So it must be so frustrating because you rewarding sadiq khans failure. Ben yeah. What a trash can she was of a candidate, you know, she is someone who i do think was supported by racists and white supremacists. She is someone that endorsed donald trump that opposed brexit. Nothing common with londoners. And on the question of crime, i think not sacking 20,000 Police Officers and shutting a great many Police Stations in london would probably not have helped the crime responsible for anything which weve seen in terms of crime happen in london since he became the mayor of london. Nothing to do with him. Nothing to do with him. Im not saying that, but what im saying, what are you saying . What im saying is that when you sack thousands of Police Officers and then only very recently hire under experienced officers, when you close the Police Stations, you know , Police Stations, you know, theresa may and the tories defunded the police. I dont think you should defund the police. What about over a thousand nightlife venues have closed since sadiq khan was last elected. Elected as mayor of elected. Elected as mayor of london. Hes made just 2. 8 progress towards the 2026 housing target. And yet you voted for him. Voted for him. And crucially, can i just say exactly crucially, stop and search is down 44 because he doesnt want to do it. He thinks its racist. What happens . Knife its racist. What happens . Knife crime goes up and kids die on our streets. Thats what you voted. So ultimately you need to take responsibility for that again. Actually, the same person that defunded the police also cut down massively on stop and search. And thats theresa may. She was largely against stop and search. But look, the fact is that, you know, i think the tories what youre doing here is saying the voters are wrong and no one, no party wins an election with that strategy. Election with that strategy. There has been a swing towards the Labour Labour Party from the tories said the voters are racist. No, i said, i said, i said that people that believe that will have liked susan hall and i stand by what wes streeting, the Shadow Health secretary, said. I think that was. I think that was. But the fact is that you know, i will say this in caveat to sadiq khan. He is under polling where labour generally is. I polling where labour generally is. I dont think hes personally popular. And i do think, and this is why i think tories are so pathetic in this election. I do think sadiq khan is beatable and most Labour Party Activists and staff in london know that. Ive always said on this show that london, ive been going to london since i was a small kid, regularly, week after week for arsenal, matches for Different Things since i was nine, ten, 11. I spent a lot of time in london. I dont live here. Thankfully but london has gone downhill significantly, significantly over the past ten years, 20 years. And if people want to vote for sadiq khan and continue the norm, thats fine. Good luck to you. I dont really care because i dont live here. I live in a much nicer part of the uk, but if you want to vote for that guy and youre happy with the status quo, good luck to you. Im not going to get too excited. Will it be isolated to london for thats the problem . Well, exactly. Yeah. That is thats the risk. Right. Okay. Were going to have to move that one on. But rishi sunak ushers me down the line thatis sunak ushers me down the line that is your fivers in the post. Well thank you know crucial. Crucially i want to know how your party the lib dems got on. Ill be your second biggest Council Seats. I think they did better than the reform party. Also, im sorry, but your fiver wont buy anything because of the inflation. All right right. Im going to go next and i want to discuss this new teenage tiktok terror thats in town. Its gone from missy to someone called musa raza. The teenage tiktok provocateur with a penchant for pushing the boundaries and testing the patience of everybody. And the authority from Buckingham Palace to number 10 downing street, hes been making a name for himself by being a prat. Sorry, prankster. Have a watch of this. I dont have a watch of this. I dont know his name. Know his name. Hes. Hes. Hes. Hes. Look, weve got a real problem on our hands. These kids wanting to actually go viral on tiktok and other apps to actually get the price of fame. I wonder, how do we actually ensure that these kids think the price of fame, of achieving that viral sensation is actually higher than theyre willing to pay 7 higher than theyre willing to pay . Youve got kids, ben. Leo, pay . Youve got kids, ben. Leo, are you worried that your little ones are going to be trying to get tiktok fame by shoving a police horse, or whatever it is . A guard member of the kings guard . I dont mean to sound arrogant, but i id like to think that they would never get to that point because ive brought them up properly. I blame the sole blame is on the parents, because these are the people that nurture and look after these children from a young age. They spend the most amount of time with them and they are a product of their environment. And its the parents fault, im afraid. But you dont think by the time youre as old as that person, teenager 19 that that 19 of an adult that you are responsible for your own actions and actually you can have the best upbringing in the world and there are still people that mess up. That kid is completely responsible for his actions. Yes, but hes been brought up in the years prior by parents who we know who probably didnt discipline him properly, didnt say no to him if that was my kid, if that was jude, when he becomes 1516, hed get a clip round the ear and he wouldnt hear the end of it. Id like to think maybe ill leave my words in 1015 years, but id like to think that my kids would never get to that point, because hopefully ive done a good enough job. Your younger. How old are you again . 24. Youre 24. So youre younger than everyone here by some. Im 18 next week, but, i, i wonder, do you recognise that this is a problem . Is this a generational thing . Do you think this sort of, desire for likes and follows . Yeah, it definitely is. I mean, tiktok came about in the years just before lockdown, and i think everyone being at home and looking f