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Transcripts For GBN Sunday 20240703

New york city to an Award Winning reimagining of a Tennessee Williams a streetcar named desire. The curtain rises named desire. The curtain rises on all of that again, but first News Headlines with tatiana sanchez. Michael, thank you and good morning. The top stories from the gb newsroom. Shadow health the gb newsroom. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says doctor dan poulter has not been offered a peerage to defect to the labour party. Speaking to gb news, camilla tominey, mr streeting defended the move and the nhs , admitting there are the nhs, admitting there are challenges in the Health Service but those are mainly down to the conservative party. Conservative mp doctor dan poulter said hed sit as a labour mp until the general election, then stand down. He described the nhs as being in chaos. The decision comes just days before local elections across england and wales on may the 2nd. The Prime Minister has again this morning refused to rule out a general election in july , amid election in july, amid speculation a disastrous set of local Election Results for the tories could force his hand, while the shadow Health Secretary told gb news this morning that doctor poulter isnt defecting to save his seat. Rather, hes defecting to save the nhs. Save the n hs. Save the nhs. So there would be millions of people, disaffected conservative voters like dan poulter out there, who can see the chaos, and the conservative party see the failure to deliver and are looking at the alternative. And id ask those people to trust the doctor who has seen the conservative party up close , has conservative party up close, has seen the changed labour party of keir starmer up close , and has keir starmer up close, and has decided that ultimately we need a Labour Government in this country to get our nhs back on its feet, to turn the economy around and to make sure that we can look to the future with hope and optimism again. However, policing minister chris philp defended the governments handling of the nhs , pointing to what he calls record levels of spending going into the Health Service of £165 billion a year. Just in the last year alone, the nhs has grown by 68,000 staff and there are today 7000 more doctors and 21,000 more nurses than there were a year ago. Tens of thousands of people ago. Tens of thousands of people each year are fleeing the welsh run nhs. Sorry, the labour run nhs in wales to have treatment in england. The waiting lists in england. The waiting lists the proportion of the public who are on either very long waiting lists or indeed the proportion of the public in wales on a waiting list at all, is higher materially higher than it is in england. So on any measure, the labour party are doing a terrible job. Former immigration minister Robert Jenrick has called for a cap on net immigration, claiming a far more restrictive system is needed. Jenrick has called for a cap of less than 100,000 a year, arguing its the only way to restore voters trust. Writing in the sunday telegraph, he says the sunday telegraph, he says the governments recently passed rwanda bill will soon join the graveyard of policies that failed to tackle illegal migration. But he called legal migration. But he called legal migration a bigger scandal, according to mr jenrick, migration a bigger scandal, according to mrjenrick, net migration needs to be scaled back to the tens of thousands. He resigned as immigration minister last year in december in protest at the Prime Ministers rwanda deportation plan. He said it wasnt a Strong Enough deterrent for Illegal Migrants entering the country and the alba party msp, whose vote could be crucial to scotlands first minister, says its scotlands first minister, says wsfime scotlands first minister, says its time to build relationships. But she said the price of her support will be higher as humza yousaf dithers. She says ash regan hasnt confirmed how shell vote in the motions of no confidence at holyrood next week, writing in the sunday mail, she said she will only use her vote in the way thatll be best for scotland. Meanwhile, yusuf is asking leaders of rival parties to find Common Ground with the snp as his leadership hangs in the balance. It comes after the the balance. It comes after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens , sharing deal with the greens, and the liberal democrats are pledging to bring back the Family Doctor as older patients struggle to see a gp. Liberal democrat leader sir ed davey has set out plans to give everyone over the age of 70 and those with Long Term Health conditions access to a named gp. The policy would affect almost 19 Million People whove been found to benefit from having continuity of care. The party pointed to british medical Journal Research showing that people whod kept the same gp for more than 15 years had a 25 lower chance of dying than those with a gp relationship lasting a year or less. For the latest stories, less. For the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. Or you can go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its back to michael. Thank you. Tatiana sanchez. Thank you. Tatiana sanchez. Well, a definition of madness is said to be doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. The conservatives have dumped Boris Johnson and liz truss and are on course for electoral catastrophe. Could they contemplate changing leader again . Well, maybe a sort of madness does grip the party. Or rather perhaps irresponsible and self destructive. Fury is a logical and sane reaction to the governments incompetence and the partys predicament. But to consider this, i have with me alice demby, the opinion and features editor of city am, political commentator and trade unionist Andy Macdonald and former chief adviser to Nadhim Zahawi james pryce. Lovely to see you all here on gb news this morning, alice, what do you think . Do you think another leadership bid contest in the conservative party is a possibility . I hope not, i think it would be absolutely insane. I think it would be a terrible thing to do to the country. And i think, i think youre right. I think a sort of madness has gripped the conservative party. Theyre heading for destruction at the next election, and theyre flailing around trying to think what to do. But i think at some point, you know, you just need to, i think. Was it ben wallace who said, you just need to, you know, put your uniform on and march towards the sound of the guns. And i think thats where the conservative party is at the moment. Yes. I mean, my proposition today is that maybe a sort of madness does grip the party or as i say, possibly you could describe it as a sort of sanity, but in any case, possibly in this case, we shouldnt be trying to analyse this by the by the norms of, of common sense. I mean, there are a lot of people in the party who are in despair and they are very angry and theyre not fighting the next election, or theyve now lost hope of winning their seat if they are fighting the next election. And in these circumstances, the way that people react, i think can be unpredictable and we might say illogical. Now, with all of that in mind, do you think there might be a leadership contest . I think i think the problem is, as you as youre saying, there are actually already fighting for the soul of the party in opposition. And the kind of lead contenders in that fight are possibly sort of Kemi Badenoch and penny mordaunt. And why would they want to lead the party now into a massive election loss . I think actually the mistake would be to change leader now put up some sort of hopeless person, when the actual contenders, who were the actual people with kind of ideas who are possibly represent more of the future of the party, would stand aside and have no interest in it. So i dont really see the point at this moment of changing. Leader. No, i mean, thats supposing that the leadership contenders would themselves have any sort of authority in the matter, which i also rather doubt. James, what do you make of this chaos . And do you think that it might lead to another leadership bid . I think that robert conquests third law of politics, the best way to understand how any organisation works is to assume its run by a cabal of its enemies, right . If your keir starmer right now, youre keeping your mouth shut. Youre watching all of this kind of, pantomime. Go on. Its really upsetting. I think part of the problem has been that weve been suddenly untethered from conservative ideologies for, for perhaps too long. There are lots of people who maybe wouldnt have been conservatives in previous generations, and we see from this guy, dan poulter, who we were talking before, im not sure id ever heard of, frankly, being described as a top tory. This is the chap whos defected to labour and i think in the process has probably raised the average iq of both parties. But, you know, when you have these sorts of people being there, how can you know which way to take the country, which direction in which to go . And i think the changing leader isnt going to work. I think we need to be thinking about the kind of ideology that the party needs as well. And its a real pity for rishi because hes had a pretty good week. Hes finally getting to grips with the kind of explosion of welfare thats seen too many people staying out of work. Hes finally realised that the world is becoming a much more unsafe place, and is massively pledging to increase defence spending. Some really good conservative, you know, policies that are starting to come through have maybe a few more of those. That would be the way to perhaps close the gap and show people an alternative. James, what did you make of the rumour that there might be an announcement of an election tomorrow . I think that this is the difficulty that the number 10 operation is in that theyre trying to kind of keep the troops in line ahead of the local Election Results and to sort of threaten the well, you know, if you try and unseat me, ill just take us into an election. Now, i think its an attempt at Party Management more than anything else, which is a problem because its not good for the country. It goes back to the fact that not everybody is unhedin the fact that not everybody is united in one kind of common ideology. I still think that the election is not going to be until late october, november, and theyll be hoping that some more of these five pledges, five priorities will be done. Will we see debt falling . Will we see nhs waiting lists going down and all these sorts of things as well . Because again, if youve got that, then people will start finally paying attention once an election has been called and going actually, to be fair, its looked like a basket case for the last few years. But they said they were going to achieve all these things and theyve achieved it. Lets give them a second look, andy james was saying that this situation is absolutely ideal for the labour party. Theyre rubbing their hands, enjoying the spectacle very much indeed. That is presumably true. Is that what you would say as well . I think thats an ideal situation. Thats what they should be doing. But, you know, as weve seen with a variety of issues over the last few months, whether its Rosie Duffield and the trans issues or whether its the trans issues or whether its the ongoing situation in gaza, the ongoing situation in gaza, the labour party keeps speaking and keeps making mistakes, which i think is absolutely dreadful. When sue gray joined Keir Starmers office as the new labour party chief of staff, everyone said, oh, this is revolutionary, this is going to be huge for the labour party. But honestly, there hasnt been that much change of output from the labour party. So a lot of the labour party. So a lot of the kind of people like me who are members and supporters of the party, but not in the internal workings, are kind of waiting for this. Sue gray effect to come in of keir starmer kind of just shutting up and letting the tories hang themselves. But i think, honestly, the keir starmer is its a weird one with the local elections , the labour party are elections, the labour party are hoping to do quite well in the mayoral and county Council Elections that are coming up on thursday, so its honestly just keir starmer just has to wait and see. Yes, i mean, are you seriously worried about these slips that labour is making because it seems that with the amount of noise that the government makes or the or the conservative party makes, that what the labour does is what the labour party does is still not, you know, pay much attention to. You know, pay much attention to. But i suppose you might be worried that if we get into a long election campaign, then mistakes being made by the labour party could be more consequential. Yes, definitely. With the wider electorate, but also with the labour party members. A lot of members are those that will go out leafleting, would go out doing the phone, banking, all of that. Theyre to the left of the party. They sympathised a lot with corbyn and if we keep making these mistakes on fundamental issues that are theyre very passionate about, we wont have people to go out and knock on doors when its, you know, two degrees in december at 9 pm, i think we are the labour party are a real risk of alienating their own membership base. Who will be the kind of foot soldiers in the election whenever it does come. And this is the real, real tragedy of the situation for the conservatives. Theres no love for Keir Starmers labour party. The labour party cant tell you what a woman is. Any policies that its got, it ends up having to drop out. You know Adam Smith Institute that i work with did some research about their schools, private schools policy. They want to put that on private schools. Its going to be a disaster when you look at the analysis of it. So theyre not coming into the election with any actual policies. And so the conservatives if they did put themselves together, they could really do this. And i think that the comparison is perhaps a bit with 2010 where, you know, the labour party thought, oh, its hopeless. Under gordon brown, the tories will sweep us away. In the end, the tories had a Minority Administration that then turned into that coalition government, and they said themselves, god, if wed have actually, you know, rallied around the flag a little bit more, we could have we could have kept the tories out again. And thats the tragedy. Funnily enough, ive observed the conservatives implementing lots of labour policy, like on expats, and i think starmer mentioned 25 as a target for defence spending as a percentage of gdp ahead of the tories. Lets lets turn to scotland if we can, alice, what do you think is going to happen . Do you think the first minister can survive . What kind of debate . What whats what kind of debate . What whats he going to be asked to do in the coming week . Well, i think you said speaking and making mistakes. I think thats a pretty great way of describing Humza Yousafs administration. I think hes in real trouble , i think even if he real trouble, i think even if he does survive this upcoming confidence vote, he cant do anything. His his whole agenda is sunk and most of that is his own fault. Hes tested terrible policies, like the hate crime bill and the gender recognition reforms have been an absolute disaster. Hes now relying on his former leadership opponent, ash regan, to vote. So shes now represents the alba party. Shes going to be making some very strong demands, likely around another independence referendum , another independence referendum, which again, would be a disaster for scotland. Its no one in scotlands priority at the moment, so i think even if he does survive , hes dead in the does survive, hes dead in the water. He cant do anything. Andy, the labour party supported the snp with the gender recognition legislation. I think with the hate crimes legislation as well. Can labour reap any benefit from this . Well, i think obviously going after the incumbent party is always to a benefit of an opposition party. You know , but opposition party. You know, but people do have long memories. A lot of people who are critical of the snps reforms will be thinking, oh, well, you know, the labour party supported it. People in the alba party supported it a lot of a lot of the people who are hoping to replace the snp did support it. But i think for anas sarwar, you know, his support has been growing. Theres been a few by elections, parliamentary by elections, parliamentary by elections in scotland, the labour party have done very well in them and i think its only good news for anas. If i were him, id be taking my advice from earlier. Sit down and shut up and just let them. Let them in fight. The stars are massively aligning for labour as well. The collapse, i mean the collapse of the snp in scotland is just massive. Good luck for them. I mean, this is huge, although actually some recent polls, the recent poll that gave the conservatives only 98 seats at the next election actually put the snp in a stronger position. This was , you know, using the this was, you know, using the methodology about the characteristics of people in all the different constituencies and actually gave a better result for the snp than other polls have been giving. So well see about that. But whats your about that. But whats your reaction, james, to whats going on in scotland . I mean , the on in scotland . I mean, the conservatives now here, i think the conservatives do have quite a strong card to play because they were on the right side of they were on the right side of the argument as i think its turning out on the gender recognition bill. Can they gain any credit for that, do you think . I hope so, i mean, its hard to think of a less sympathetic character than humza yousaf. Its very easy to have a pop at him, and so we probably should. This is a guy whos been a bit of a race baiter. He gave his most famous s

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