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My mothers favourite , matthew laws mothers favourite, matthew laws is back on the show for about the 20th time. He must need the money. Now were going to talk about sir keir starmer tonight. There has been an outbreak of patriotic ism within the Labour Party Just this week. Earlier this week, he reminded some of his mps that they got to fly the flag of saint george. Hes, hes hes big in the country up. Hes waving the flag. I think next matthew, hes going to be slaying a dragon somewhere into what do you think is it is it another bandwagon that secure is jumping on. 7 well, i was about to tell you about my great performance age ten, slaying the dragon in the school play. Saint george. But no, i dont think. I mean, i think the labour party has always been a patriotic party. I think the corbyn years were difficult because, you know, jeremy was jeremy. But you know, when you and i used to campaign for the labour party together, lee, you were just as patriotic then as you are now, because i dont think caring about country is about party. So, yeah, i think hes emphasising his belief in britain and how britain can have a better future. But i mean, on on things on the flag of saint george. Hes a massive football fan, genuinely a football fan. I hate him. Politics, all people have to pretend theyre football fans. Hes genuinely one, so hes obviously very comfortable in england. So andrew, when you patriotic in this country, i sort resume that. Yeah. You wave the flag and you sing the National Anthem and you sing the National Anthem and you sing the National Anthem and you support the royal family. But we know that sir keir is not very supportive of the royal family. He is, in fact, a republican. Sir keir is a man of very strong opinions, but like a lot of englishmen, not very good at expressing them. So he sounds a bit bogus when hes waving a Saint Georges flag. Thats not his real idea of how to express patriotism. And he cant bear people like bofis and he cant bear people like Boris Johnson and jacob rees mogg, who would be much more flamboyant about their love of england. Hes a man like his own father, actually. Hes incapable of being pretty much incapable of being pretty much incapable of being flamboyant people quite like that. Yeah, i think andrews sort of suggesting here. Forgive me if im wrong, andrew, that sir keir, when it comes to patriotism, is a bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Its not a bandwagon. I think hes a quiet patriot. Absolutely. Yeah. I think andrews saying hes a quiet patriot. And look, we are as andrew says, there is a kind of engush andrew says, there is a kind of english way of expressing, your pride , and, you know, it needs pride, and, you know, it needs to not sort of. I mean, we dont all walk around with a with a flag badge, like every american politician does. We dont have to do that. Its a more quiet pride. But on every labour membership card. Now, i know you dont have one anymore, but on every labour membership card now is the union flag. So, you know, thats now is it. 7 we had it on the sets in the past, but its the sets in the past, but its the first time its been on the membership card. Yeah. Okay. Andrew. Well attlee was a great patriot. He was done his bit, did his bit at gallipoli and all that. Yeah, and admired churchill for being a patriot. So i think its not the property of any one party. And i think its rather ridiculous if you try to dismiss any Political Party as unpatriotic when the next war starts, im sure. Well, hes a bit old for it now. So am i, thank god. But hed do his bit, wouldnt he. Well. Oh sir keir. Yeah. Oh sir keir. Yeah. But of course all this stuff about universal human rights that slightly confuses people because, disraeli, for example, the greatest, in my opinion, the greatest tory leader. He said that to, to the rights of man. He preferred the rights of englishmen. And that resonates with a lot of tories, including myself, that we have our rights going back to magna carta and going back to magna carta and going back to anglo saxon england, very deeply embedded in our culture. And we dont need this fancy document drawn up in order to tell people what the Second World War was about. I think matthew, what sticks in the throat of, of, of some people is, i mean, i remember, you know, when i was delivering leaflets with matthew, many , leaflets with matthew, many, many moons ago, the Emily Thornberry incident where she was sort of sneering at working class people flying the flag of saint george on their Council Property somewhere. I think it was in essex. And i think people still remember that. Yeah. Look, i mean, i worked for ed miliband at the time and i was with ed, ed, ed sacked emily from the frontbench after that incident from my phone at my desk. She was back on the frontbench. Shes back on the frontbench. Shes back on the frontbench now because shes apologised fully. But at the time it was it was it was a very, very ill judged tweet. And it was weird because it was about somebody flying the Saint Georges flag on a Council Estate in kent and i think emily grew up on a Council Estate in kent. So, it was just it was a silly thing to do. But what im saying is, is that ed, who may have expressed his patriotism in a different way, was equally, thought that it was absolutely a great thing that people fly the Saint Georges flag. I mean, its not remember, none of us. The Saint Georges flag wasnt flying very much in the 70s and the 80s, i think, because engush the 80s, i think, because english people just used the union jack, and now its become its become more of a thing across society. And obviously, i think what it is matthew and andrew might agree with me or he might not. Is that. Yeah, youre right. It wasnt flown so much in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. But i think people, especially in my neck of the woods, theyve sort of seen other flags being flown all the time. And theyre feeling, you know, hold on a minute. You know, were feeling a little bit isolated. Its about time we not fought back as such. But, you know, actually were proud of our history, our heritage, our culture and did a bit of flag waving ourselves. Is there any truth in that, andrew . Yes no, i think they thought that you cant leave this this, this flag to be the monopoly of yobs and hooligans. It always had flown in a in a beautifully undemonstrative way from the top of Church Towers all over the country. But people didnt wave it around. And people would rather stop waving the union jack around as well. But obviously a lot of it. I mean, at home we got some sort of flags which they were going to put up when my grandfather got back from burma. Yeah, in fact, he got back at about 3 00 in the morning. So, the flags were not put up, but there were there were obviously a lot of flags around in 1945, and it gradually diminished. And now people have perhaps realised that you do need flags. Yeah. But not its not like the stars and stripes which is absolutely everywhere. And they sing that song song of theirs at the beginning, beginning of every political meeting. I went to see a friend a few years back in, in florida, and they do the last, last post every night. This, this flag comes up and down. This certain part of sarasota the place was. But do you think, matthew, that sort of politicians maybe were all guilty of this as sort of being a bit cynical now theyre using the flag to say, look at me, im british, im proud to be engush me, im british, im proud to be english as a political ploy. Yeah. I think, you know, you have to be careful about how you use the flag, because you dont want to be seen to be sort of just wrapping yourself in it for the sake of it. I think he has got the balance right. But i think, i mean, what i hate in politics is when i mean, i wont name the politician who, had got their england shirt out for an england match and it still had the stripe, you know, the creases in it from it just come out of the out of the plastic bag. And frankly, frankly, youve had that. Youve had politicians. Im thinking of a tory in this instance. But weve seen politicians of all all stripes doing just be yourself. You know, kie genuinely wears an england shirt because he goes to england shirt because he goes to england games, if its not your thing, it doesnt have to be your thing. And i think, as andrew says, we dont want to all be kind of having to drape ourselves in the flag for the sake of it. But a quiet patriotism is a good thing, suppose. Okay enjoys the england matches because theyre still taking the knee before the kick off. Haha. Haha. Oh, thats a whole different debate. Well, its a different debate, but no, youre right, it does go to the football matches. He does. He does support our national team. But ill tell you, one of the things id like to see, and its one of the things i wrote to government about when i first got elected. I want to see all our public buildings, our schools, our hospitals, our libraries, our Council Buildings fly the flag of saint george and the union flag. And i think we should have a picture of our monarch in scores. And i think we should sing the National Anthem every day in our scores. Do you agree with that, matthew . Well, look, im not sure that i think that singing the National Anthem in schools is a little bit american for me , that little bit american for me, that at least it seems it doesnt seem to chime with the kind of quiet patriotism thats older than america. Yeah, we are absolutely. I mean, i mean, also our National Anthem is not the greatest song in the world. My Primary School, we sang Eternal Father strong to save. Whose arm hath bound the restless wave. Who bids the restless wave. Who bids the mighty ocean deep. Its own appointed limits keep. And that was the idea of this country as a seafaring country, which is very much died out. We really should be admiring. I saw there was a school named after sir Francis Drake, which has renamed itself two oaks. This is a very bad thing. So Francis Drake was a great man. Like most great men. He had flaws, but he was a great man. So he should be very, very proud of our heroes, many of whom were these these very , of whom were these these very, very brave navigators who went round the world and did things which had never been done. Would that be a problem, matthew . You know , flying flags matthew . You know, flying flags at schools. Lets think about having portraits of , i dont having portraits of, i dont know, monarchs from present and past and maybe some political leaders like sir winston churchill. Yeah, absolutely. Or and to next Clement Attlee, as we were discussing a moment ago. Look, i mean, im in moment ago. Look, i mean, im in favour of getting the balance right. I think history is vitally important. I think its daft if schools are dropping things like Francis Drake from their from their title, but i dont quite like just on a personal note, i dont like sort of kind of americanism tipping into kind of north korea ism of everybody having to, sort of salute the flag in the morning. I think a quiet patriotism is what we want, and we should be very proud of our country, of its past, and i hope, of its future. And we are going to be talking about scores later on in the program. But, you know, we did. We see some of the scores, did. We see some of the scores, some of the young children, especially in inner city areas , especially in inner city areas, having their problems and social problems. I think sometimes matthew , correct me if im matthew, correct me if im wrong, that a little reminder into the past of if you put a couple of pictures up in a school now of Clement Attlee and winston churchill, most kids wouldnt even know who they were. I think one of the dangers in schools is that all everybody ever learns about now is the nazis. Basically, that history consists of, the sort of lead up and the Second World War, and we dont have a wider, context. I dont have a wider, context. I think its absolutely vital that in a sense, our National Story is told because you cant prepare for the future if you dont have that understanding of the past. So i hope, of course, all parties we can we can sort of unite around the importance of unite around the importance of history in our schools. Andrew morris in our schools, british history, yes, more history. History. There is there are some very good History History teachers around my younger brother teaches history in a comprehensive school and, his people think highly of him, so its not not totally. And they certainly dont just do the Second World War. So its not it. Theres always a danger of thinking, of being, of talking ourselves into a very gloomy and depressed state. There is, in fact, a vast interest among adults as well as children in history. People visit sites, history. People visit sites, they read history. Theyre fascinated by it. And theres always more to learn. You can never do enough history, actually. And thats the thing, matthew. If were going to teach history, its got to be its got to be taught by good teachers. Absolutely teachers without a political agenda. And we see a lot of teachers in our school today that got the similar sort of mindset. Some teachers, some of mindset. Some teachers, some teachers are quite dangerous. Some teachers are very eccentric and children are bright enough to understand. Absolutely. Yeah. When i was taught history at school, we did, you know, we had teachers who could tell their politics, but they were different. They were they were different. They were they were different. They were they were different sorts of politics. I think if teachers had my politics, wed be all right. I mean, but, look, i think what we want is, i mean, theres absolutely some great history teachers. I was inspired at school by that. But we know what happened is we sort of british history up until gcse. And then it all kind of did sort of descend. I think gcse is when of descend. I think gcse is when it goes into it goes into the great dictators was i did it gcse and a level and the russian revolution. So we need to make sure that british history is part of that mix, as well as understanding Great British history. Look guys, time for the yes or no quiz. You know the rules. Or no quiz. You know the rules. Yes or no answer. Sometimes People Struggle with that one. The legendary stephen pound. He struggles with it. I think the struggles with it. I think the most hes got is two out of five. So ha ha ha. Lets go for it. Matthew. Is the labour Party Patriotic . Yes. Andrew. Yes patriotic . Yes. Andrew. Yes andrew. Question to you. Should the archbishop of canterbury practice what he preaches and house migrants in lambeth palace . No matthew. No. Oh, god. Palace . No matthew. No. Oh, god. Number three, matthew. Will trump win the us election . No yes. Yes, number four for you, andrew. Should Illegal Migrants crossing the channel be sent back to france the same day . No. Back to france the same day . No. Matthew no. Its a bit liberal on this side. Hahahahaha. Hahahahaha. So a final question to you. So a final question to you. You first. Matthew, will nigel farage return to frontline politics . Yes yeah, i think youll find it irresistible. See, youve got the last one wrong. Its a yes or a no. Yes. All right. Yes. All right. Yes. All right. Okay. So i cant give you that one. So matthew, youre ready. Ready. Harsh, harsh, matthew was one again. My mother will be delighted. Yes. No, hes a hes a pro. Rm yes. No, hes a hes a pro. Im just a this is good for a first time struggling beginner. Yeah. Matthew, there was a couple. I think