Discuss the deteriorating and dangerous situation in gaza. This comes after a further round of crisis talks by World Leaders with others as they try to inject diplomacy into the conflict between israel and hamas. Meanwhile all four government flights carrying britains have left israel today, two more are expected to arrive later on the Foreign Office telling british nationals in gaza to be ready to move in case the rafah Border Crossing with egypt thats in the south is opened. Its currently the is opened. Its currently the only route out of the territory. The foreign secretary James Cleverly telling us at gb news the uk government is doing everything it can to get british people trapped in gaza out, out. Meanwhile here at home, hundreds of people have gathered at a vigil in Central London to commemorate israeli victims of the hamas terror attack. 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Jewish schools close in london due to fears of anti semitic attacks. A man wins attitude magazines woman of the year award and labours new hate crime policy could see citizens jailed for two years for the crime of misgendering. This is crime of misgendering. This is free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation. Welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. This is the show where we take a look at culture, Current Affairs and politics. And of course, well have the latest from those lovable culture warriors. As long as we dont get cancelled ourselves between and 9 00. Coming between now and 9 00. But coming up show tonight, one up on the show tonight, one consequence tragic consequence of the tragic violence gaza has violence in israel and gaza has been significant in been a significant rise in anti semitism britain. Tom anti semitism in britain. Tom slater, the editor of spiked online , will be here to discuss online, will be here to discuss this major problem and what we can to combat it. Its just can do to combat it. Its just a couple of weeks until the battle of ideas festival in westminster on 28th 29th of october. On the 28th and 29th of october. Co convenor ella whelan be co convenor ella whelan will be here tell us what to expect here to tell us what to expect from years celebration of from this years celebration of free speech and debate. A former doctor at tavistock trust doctor at the tavistock trust will here to tell us about will be here to tell us about his concerns vulnerable his concerns that vulnerable teenagers confused about teenagers who are confused about their being directed their gender are being directed towards as towards what he describes as trans zing factories and Greg Lukianov and Ricky Schlott will join us from america to discuss their new book, the cancelling of the American Mind. And of course, ive got my fantastic panel here to answer questions from our studio audience, my comedian this evening are comedian guests this evening are paul cox and Lewis Schaefer. Paul cox and Lewis Schaefer. Hello, both. Hello. Welcome back. Thank hello, both. Hello. Welcome back. Thank you, paul. How are you . Im good, thank you, andrew. Thanks for having me back for another week. Any interesting anecdotes from the week . No, nothing interesting this week, had an week, actually. I had an interesting one last week, and thats for the month, basically. All you do . Thats all you do . Thats all you do . Yeah. One a month is yeah. Yeah. One a month is what muster. What i can muster. Interesting life, louis. This is shame. Is a shame. I do. Im doing free speech nafion i do. Im doing free speech nation today. Yeah, nation on sunday today. Yeah, youre today. Youre doing that today. But also youre doing headliners tonight. Schaffer, double headliners tonight. On schaffer, double headliners tonight. On newsxffer, double headliners tonight. On news as� r, double headliners tonight. On news as well. |ble bill on gb news as well. Im with paul cox. Im with paul cox. With cox. With paul cox. With paul cox. Hes tag teaming on so hes like tag teaming on Louis Schaffer. He thinks im you know, hes making me a star. Those tails i never those are the coat tails i never wish to ride. Absolutely. I do apologise for overdose louis for the overdose of Louis Schaffer nevertheless, schaffer tonight. Nevertheless, lets from schaffer tonight. Nevertheless, let audience. From schaffer tonight. Nevertheless, let audience. Weve from schaffer tonight. Nevertheless, let audience. Weve got from the audience. Weve got a question now from ryan. Wheres ryan . Hi, hi ryan . Hi, ryan. Hi is labour good evening. Is labour really to jail people for really going to jail people for misgender ing . Article in the so this was an article in the mail sunday and it was quite mail on sunday and it was quite a provocative title. It talks about how under labour there is about how under labour there is a jail a potential two year jail sentence once misgendering. Sentence once for misgendering. Now interesting, now this is interesting, paul, because is because whats happening is labour to sort of labour are pledging to sort of bolster their existing the existing crime that existing hate crime laws that would aggravation towards would bring aggravation towards trans people within the category of other forms of hate crime. And of course critics have said well, that misgendering well, within that misgendering could be part of it. So some people saying, well, this people are saying, well, this wont then wont actually happen. But then on hand, people have wont actually happen. But then on arrestediand, people have wont actually happen. But then on arrested ind, people have wont actually happen. But then on arrested in thiszople have wont actually happen. But then on arrested in this country ve been arrested in this country for kate a for misgendering. Kate scottow a good there was ended up good example. There was ended up in a prison cell because she referred a man as a woman referred to a man as a woman online. So this isnt trivial, is it . Its not trivial. Its a proposal. And, you know , i think proposal. And, you know, i think we are right to talk about this because labour just keep because if labour just keep pushing with this type pushing fonnard with this type of ideology and saying were going to group these things together, to know what together, they need to know what the consequences are. The knock on consequences are. Its all very good to look in the short term. And you know, if we look at the hate laws as they the short term. And you know, if we now, at the hate laws as they the short term. And you know, if we now, most� hate laws as they the short term. And you know, if we now, most ofite laws as they the short term. And you know, if we now, most of them vs as they the short term. And you know, if we now, most of them ares they are now, most of them are ridiculous. Lets be honest. I i believe they are and believe they are anyway. And they around they sort of centre around religion and sexuality and things like this. If youre going to put misgender ring on top of that, youre going to end up with a lot of people in prison. Well, the problem is that these sort of laws be these sort of laws can be exploited easily. Know, exploited very easily. You know, if you say it is a criminal offence to cause distress, which is some of the is effectively what some of the hate laws say, then hate speech laws say, then anyone i could anyone can say that. I could say, i feel distressed by say, well, i feel distressed by something that youve said. Im often things that something that youve said. Im ofte but things that something that youve said. Im ofte but youre things that something that youve said. Im ofte but youre wrong|ings that something that youve said. Im ofte but youre wrong becauset you but youre wrong because because the operative word there is delivered hate. Because the operative word there is candzred hate. Because the operative word there is cand its hate. Because the operative word there is cand its likes. Like and its like its like shouting fire a fire in in shouting fire in a fire in a in a crowded theatre. In crowded a crowded theatre. In a crowded theatre. Its saying if theatre. Yeah. Its saying if you deliberately try to aggravate somebody and theres a and theres the problem , how and theres the problem, how does the state possibly know what is going on inside your head . It doesnt. So thats why you have to legislate against crimes, not what you crimes, not against what you think were motivations think were the motivations behind othennise, behind the crime. Othennise, thats crime. Thats just thought crime. Because the no, because the Judeo Christian or basis Judeo Christian ethic or basis is whats in your heart. If you run over somebody by accident , run over somebody by accident, yes, you dont get penalised to the same degree as if you run over by somebody deliberately. Thats the distinction. So theyre going after and murder. But even in a murder case and you hit on it, really not even manslaughter, if an manslaughter, if its an accident, its manslaughter. Manslaughter, if its an acc no, t, its manslaughter. Manslaughter, if its an acc no, t, it� its manslaughter. Er. Manslaughter, if its an acc no, t, it� its manslaughter. If no, but its manslaughter. If its an accident, its an accident. Yeah. If you if youve done everything your power accident. Yeah. If you if youve dontoeverything your power accident. Yeah. If you if youve donto runrthing your power accident. Yeah. If you if youve donto run somebody ur power accident. Yeah. If you if youve donto run somebody over. Wer accident. Yeah. If you if youve donto run somebody over. Im not to run somebody over. Im afraid so. Not to run somebody over. Im afreyeah, that is the case, lewis. But but but nevertheless, he does hit an important point does hit on an important point with irish hate crime bill with the irish hate crime bill thats through now. Thats coming through now. Same theyre saying the same thing. Saying theyre thing. Theyre saying theyre going work out the going to have to work out the intention. And cant do intention. And you cant do that. You absolutely cannot that. People misgendering people are misgendering people place at the people all over the place at the moment because the amount of genders exponentially by moment because the amount of genweek. Exponentially by moment because the amount of genweek. Yeah. Xponentially by moment because the amount of genweek. Yeah. So. Nentially by moment because the amount of genweek. Yeah. So. So tially by moment because the amount of genweek. Yeah. So. So how by moment because the amount of genweek. Yeah. So. So how on the week. Yeah. So. So how on earth . Im still piggy trotter. Well, but thats just well, okay, but thats just this week, tony. Okay. But the trouble is, you can never know someones intention because, a, they might not know their intention themselves because they dont know misgendering. Know theyre misgendering. B, they the state they could lie. C the state making a decision about what people is terrifying. Yes. People think is terrifying. Yes. Hes just essentially got to add tolerance into society, which is continually being taken out. Continually being taken out. So heres my problem with it mostly is that really mostly is that im really against the idea of compelled speech. Someone wants to speech. So if someone wants to say about me, as Say Something rude about me, as i do all time, they i say, do all the time, they should able to do that should be able to do that without me going to the police and saying, these people need to speak so speak differently about me. So when someone says when i say when someone says youve the pronouns youve got to use the pronouns that i decide that you use about me, compelling someone me, that is compelling someone to a certain way, that to speak in a certain way, that way, tyranny lies. I happen to with you on i happen to agree with you on that the of it, that point. But the rest of it, i youre wrong. You cant i think youre wrong. You cant you cant tell you can try to tell. And they do this every single day in court. They look for motive behind every single case. They try to do so. They try to do so. They try to do so. Yes, they and whether yes, they do. And whether its murder or getting into an automobile whatever, Automobile Accident or whatever, they it. They do look for it. Paul well, people come up to me all the time and say, what did lewis when he said that did lewis mean when he said that on headliners i dont know. On headliners no, i dont know. On headliners no, no,ont know. On headliners no, no, because v. On headliners no, no, because he doesnt know nobody does. Okay. Were going to move on to a question peter. To a question now from peter. Where is peter . Peter . What should we about hi. What should we do about the rise anti semitism . Um, yes. So obviously weve seen lots so obviously weve seen lots of examples of this this week in fact, for jewish schools in london closed. That was on thursday evening until tomorrow morning. This all come , morning. And this has all come, obviously, in light of these protests in london. People not just flying palestinian flags. Ive seen signs and flags which are supportive of isis , are supportive of isis, supportive of hamas support of terrorists. Thats a thats a development that very few people would have thought wed see on the streets of london in such mass numbers. Yeah theres so many multifaceted things here. Of all, you need first of all, you need education, education about the situation , an education, about situation, an education, about the difference between palestinians and hamas. Palestinians and hamas. Why is that so difficult for people to grasp . Because. Because. Because there others, arent they . There are others, arent they . Theyre foreign. And therefore to people on the far left, anyone whos other or foreign is good. Anything outside of white and british is good no matter what it is. Irrespective of the fact that hamas are clearly the worst thing to happen to the Palestinian People ever. I mean, they are. They are. I mean, they are. They are. Well, this is where they will use them as as shields. They will ensure that the death of their civilians. Death of their own civilians. And care. And they dont care. No, exactly. They put no, exactly. And they put they put their civilians in harms know, make harms way. You know, they make sure are in are sure that civilians are in are wherever statues weapons wherever the statues of weapons are. So when the israelis attack, so they do. The attack, so they do. And if the israelis is israelis say, look, this is where were coming, were coming for this area, theyll say, please out, coming please get out, were coming tomorrow. Hamas tomorrow. Whereas whereas hamas will no, thats just will go, no, no, no, thats just propaganda. There. Will go, no, no, no, thats just pro why nda. There. Will go, no, no, no, thats just pro why does there. Will go, no, no, no, thats just pro why does this there. Will go, no, no, no, thats just pro why does this havelere. Will go, no, no, no, thats just pro why does this have this knock why does this have this knock on effect . Because a lot of people were this week people were surprised this week when matter, an when a black lives matter, an official lives official black lives matter account out a tweet in account put out a tweet in support of palestine, but with an one of the terrorist an image of one of the terrorist paragliders from the attacks last week. So now, of course, people who have known about black lives matter from the start or who read what they actually said on their website, are not surprised by the support for terrorism. Yeah, but a lot of have been surprised. Of people have been surprised. And this conflation of terrorists with palestinian terrorists with with palestinian civilians, on . Civilians, why is that going on . Thats going on because well, thats going on because once upon a time, jews were considered to be like black people or as or black people. Hitler killed the jews because they were the other and they werent aryan. And i think and i think over time, jews have become more and more in the white camp and black lives matter is having a war with white racism. This doesnt make sense because israel, as you know, is ethnically diverse. Theres all sorts of colours. Sorts of skin colours. It is ethnically diverse, but israel was the last ethnic european ethno state and it was created by europe liens. It doesnt even matter if there were jews living there, if there were jews living there, if there were french people or germans or engush were french people or germans or english people, the palestinians , the people who were living there, the population there, the Muslim Population would them out. So you would want them out. So if you look at the map, you just see israel and it says israel was created in 1970 by the Balfour Declaration in 1947 by independence. And theyre considered to be an alien group in in israel. Considered to be an alien group in in israel. Uh, the considered to be an alien group in in israel. Uh, the hatred of in in israel. Uh, the hatred of the jews is set bit. Right. But, but on that question though, louis, the anti semitism question, i think whats shocked a lot of people this week, i mean, its no surprise to anyone that hamas are anti semitic. Yeah, its anti semitism in the , its schools closing in the uk, its schools closing in the uk, its schools closing in the mean, what make the